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headwind

the ideal wheelset...

ok folks, heres the task. We have a companion, namely Bartali, who is building a new bike. So lets imagine we set a 1500$ (750 lb) limit and the following. A wheel must be an every day wheel. Sure it will be used in competition, but it needs to train too. Feel free to offer up a custom build or an off the rack set of hoops...but lets get into the WHYs...the pluses and minuses. We know that Bartali weighs about 75 kg and is a very capable rider with lofty goals and the means to meet them. These wheels need to meet this demand.

I searched for a year before going with a custom build. Once I return from Spain, Ill give a real ride report, but they are amazing so far.

I have no regrets.

hw
Slapshot

HED Jet V50 663 pounds buying online, I will get them, in a month

Bartali

Re: the ideal wheelset...

Thanks HW - great post. (Hovering around 67kg at the moment Wink )
CapeRoadie

bergaretxebe wrote:
HED Jet V50 663 pounds buying online, I will get them, in a month



Those are effing cool. I saw a pair and drooled.
headwind

Re: the ideal wheelset...

Bartali wrote:
Thanks HW - great post. (Hovering around 67kg at the moment Wink )


sorry bartali...i dream of that mass...well not really...but...

accept my apologies for the error, i was trying to recall a previous thread.
Bartali

No worries HW - trying desperately not to let it creep back up while I'm laid up. Now where's that pack of chocolate biscuits ... munch munch.

What about Easton Ascent II - nice and light and way under $1500
berck

I've really like my Mavic Ksyrium SL's (f:680g/r:855g). If you want to spend a few more bucks, the ES's are 65 grams lighter in total weight
crash48

I will second that.


The Mavic Ksyrium ES' are bloody great. Its very well getting a climbing wheel, but most of our riding is not in the big mountains its on the flats, in the wind etc.

The ES' are a climbing wheel and the difference is very noticeable when the road head upwards, but they are very aero as well, great in cross winds, and when coming down those big climbs they also do the business.

They are a fast wheel built for the mountains but great everywhere else.
headwind

K's were on my short list for certain as were Campy Eurus. Both have stellar records. Idecided that going custom would get me more what I wanted, and less weight...mine click in with 32 spoke rear and 28 front at a hair above 1400 g. The nice thing is, if I break a spoke, DT Swiss is everywhere. Break a spoke in a K, and its quite a deal to fix, and not likely on the road.

still, theres no doubt, if I was going off the shelf, these almost certainly would have been the choice.

hw
headwind

bergaretxebe wrote:
HED Jet V50 663 pounds buying online, I will get them, in a month



1720 g!! Berg for all the climbing you wnat a wheel that heavy? My Mavic Cosmos are 1800!!

Go LIGHT BABY!!
berck

headwind wrote:
K's were on my short list for certain as were Campy Eurus. Both have stellar records. Idecided that going custom would get me more what I wanted, and less weight...mine click in with 32 spoke rear and 28 front at a hair above 1400 g. The nice thing is, if I break a spoke, DT Swiss is everywhere. Break a spoke in a K, and its quite a deal to fix, and not likely on the road.

still, theres no doubt, if I was going off the shelf, these almost certainly would have been the choice.

hw


How much did you pay for you custom wheels? I tried figuring out that site, and felt there was a bit of confusion trying to match hubs and wheels together.

BTW: You're right on the K's spoke issue. The wheel goes very badly out of true if a spoke breaks and they are much more difficult to ride than a 32 spoke wheel.
headwind

all in all it was about 1500$ because of my selections, and includes 2 cassettes. The main cost was the hubs at 900$ or so. the ceramic bearings are very fast thats for certain.

If you look at Joe Youngs www site its not that great. Basically, I had a long talk with the DT Swiss USA rep and he said that Joe is their master wheelbuilder in America, and if I went custom, with DT Swiss components, he was the person to use. Just send him an email and he'll go through it with you. He asks a lot of questions about use, size, etc so he can help pair the right rim/hub/spoke. I did have some changes at his suggestion. joe is noramally very prompt and up front. He did a greeat job with my wheels.


hw
headwind

berck wrote:
BTW: You're right on the K's spoke issue. The wheel goes very badly out of true if a spoke breaks and they are much more difficult to ride than a 32 spoke wheel.


and still 100g or more heavier than my 32 spoke wheel!
headwind

Berg (and Bartali), think very serious about going with a deep dish carbon fairing/aluminum clincher rim. They really dont offer the true value of a deep dish rim because they dont marry light with aero, and they fail the weight test miserably.

I had a real hard time not going that route, but in the end, I know it wasnt rigt for me once I listed the qualities in a wheel I wanted.

Before buying, list things out and search out the best from that. If I were going deep dish Id end up with Zipp tubs and DT Swiss hubs/spokes. But I cant bring myself to a set of tubulars since Im not primarily into racing.

I loked into carbon clinchers as there are a few out there, but wow are they (1) heavy, (2) expensive, and (3) I couldnt imagine taking a tire lever to a carbon hooked rim to accept a clincher tire. Break that and they are GONE!

I did consider a set of Topolino's...a bit like Lightweights with composite spokes. But Ive heaqrd the hubs are a bit to be desired.

Remember aero really only start counting aqt 20 mph and above, but ceramic works equally at ALL speeds!!!

hw
Bartali

Thanks HW.

Me ... I'm a weight weenie so what ever I go for it has to be very very light and very good for climbing.

My Easton Ascent II came in at about 1420g excluding tyres and tubes which is pretty good for a set of clinchers. Campag Hyperon are about 100g lighter and 3-4 times the price. Zipp 202 nice set if I was brave and went with tubs.

Haven't had a pair of wheels built since I was a nipper! What rims did you go for with those sweet DT Swiss?
CapeRoadie

Go tubular for carbon wheels, agreed hw. Zipp believes the deeper rims are better, and I tend to agree. It's a trade-off between aerodynamics and weight. The speed of deeper rims outweighs the disadvantage of the minimal added weight if you believe Zipp. I do. HED solved the problem by making their aerodynamics lighter. If you squeeze that HED "rim" you'll find that it's simply soft plastic, and there to add aerodynamics. Great idea, and the likely near future of fast wheels.
thunderthighs

stay regular wheel.. tubes are my fav.. easy on the pocket book..

to be frank, i hate all these new wheels.. 2 lite, to costly for everyday battle.

ciao
Jackov

This makes fun reading. You guys are at the other end of the spectrum from me on equipment
Bartali

Its all about the lungs legs and heart. But a nice bit of kit helps! Wink

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