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billgull

Ted Kennedy's Death! A Boston Globe editorial ...

Ted Kennedy was not a great man.

The extraordinary events of his life clashed with his human frailties, and the frailties sometimes won. He had real talent as a legislative politician, but for his first few decades seemed destined mainly to be someone’s kid brother.

There was nothing modest, though, about Ted Kennedy’s accomplishments or the hard work that went into them. There was nothing modest about his compassion for those without means, for whom he toiled most of his life. There was nothing modest about his love of his family, and the way that devotion spurred him past his very real failures and frailties to amass a legacy to match that of any Massachusetts politician, including his brothers.

He staked his career to the highest goals of liberalism, and defended those goals through decades when his views were not shared by most, or even that many, of his fellow citizens. While he could have simply chosen to be the liberal movement’s spiritual leader, he opted instead to spend most of his life in the legislative trenches, fighting, bill by bill, to provide government aid to people in need of health care, education, and a road out of poverty. The programs he championed may not have solved those problems, but they brought tangible assistance to millions whose lives would have been far more difficult if not for Kennedy’s exertions on their behalf.

Now is a time to think, too, of the millions of people with cancer whose treatments were developed with billions of research dollars for which Kennedy was the leading — and most relentless — advocate. Of the people with the AIDS virus for whom Kennedy was instrumental in securing government funding that now covers half of all Americans living with HIV. Of the millions of people with disabilities whose lives were transformed by his advocacy for the Americans with Disabilities Act. And of the tens of millions of Americans whose immigration to the United States from continents other than Europe would not have been possible without the Immigration Act of 1965 that Kennedy sponsored.

In retrospect, the defining moment of Ted Kennedy’s life came in June 1968. His brother Bobby was assassinated in Los Angeles, and Ted, at 36, suddenly realized that his life would no longer be his own. Most people spend their careers trying to match their skills to endeavors that are meaningful and rewarding to them. Ted Kennedy wouldn’t have that luxury: He would have to realize not only his own ambitions but those of his hard-driving parents and his martyred older brothers. Then there were the 13 fatherless children who would rely on him, as much as his own three kids. There were also the thousands of former officials from the Kennedy administration for whom he would be a leader. And there were the tens of millions of Americans who believed that only another Kennedy presidency could cure the ills of the ’60s — that only a Kennedy could speak to the young and the old, the hawks and the doves, the people of all races striving for fairness and dignity.

Kennedy spent some of that summer of 1968 sailing by himself in silent contemplation, adrift in a world he couldn’t control and which seemed at any moment ready to kill him. It turned out not to be his death but his survival of a car crash on Chappaquiddick Island that marked his fate. His failure to immediately assume responsibility for the accident that killed a young woman in the car he was driving gravely damaged his chances of being president. Worse, the implication that he was thinking of his political interests rather than the woman’s life during the eight hours that the crash went unreported followed him all his years, even though friends insist that the judgment was unfair. He had suffered a concussion. He wasn’t himself.

His only presidential campaign ended in failure, and, during his middle years, his personal life was usually raucous, sometimes embarrassing, and often unhappy. But it was during those years, as well, that he made his loneliest and most courageous stands, building coalitions to preserve the civil rights legacy of the ’60s from the Reagan administration’s attempts to dismantle it.

In his later decades, with strength from his second marriage and a ripening paternal relationship with the Commonwealth and its citizens, he reached a new level of effectiveness in the Senate, helping to bring health care to more children while improving benefits for elderly Americans, and increasing federal aid to education. He also drew on his experience of repeatedly having to summon strength amid tragedies to help other individuals in the Commonwealth cope with their own losses. Like his weekly appointment to read to school children, these daily phone calls to grieving constituents attested to his strength of character and the depth of his commitment to other people.

Human frailties kept Kennedy from being the leader that his most feverish admirers imagined that he would be. But his humanity also redeemed him. Often described as the most thoughtful and empathetic of the Kennedy brothers, and the most loving uncle to his large family, Kennedy bridged the gap between personal kindness and the politics of compassion. When pushing legislation full of complex formulas and percentages, he could always tell exactly how many families would benefit. He saw past the numbers to the souls in need. Those people, like so many of his Massachusetts constituents of almost 47 years, owe him their enduring respect and gratitude.

He made Massachusetts larger in the world of politics, and in its commitment to the highest aspirations of fairness, equal opportunity, and concern for the disadvantaged. The state already feels smaller without him.
thunderthighs

another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao
CapeRoadie

Kerry will become the next Lion of the Senate.  He's already forging new alliances with the Republicans.  Ted Kennedy was the hardest working man in the Senate, and that according to his Republican colleagues.  Without him there would be far fewer laws for the underprivileged, poor and Civil Rights in the U.S. would be about 30 years behind.  Obama might not have won the Presidency if it weren't for Ted Kennedy.  For all his frailties, we need a Ted Kennedy in politics, someone who will carry the liberal torch onward.

If Obama can sign a health care bill within the year it will be because of the longstanding work of Kennedy:


Link
Nolte

Ted Kennedy - Rest in peace

he was invaluable to the Northern Ireland peace process
bianchigirl

I once saw him speak at a get the vote out rally on the UMass campus - he started his speech by saying 'My brother's and I were raised to believe...' at which point a 20 year old from Sheffield broke down in tears. My mum was always big on the Kennedy myth (my dad considerably less so) but the glamour was undeniable - and sometimes overshadowed what Ted Kennedy achieved.

I hope his legacy is a decent healthcare system in the US.
Superbagneres

He made John Profumo look honourable.
cadence

thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong
cadence

Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong


BTW, for the Cunt who keeps posting here saying everyone is a Lance fan, Get a fucking grip bitch.   Maybe we just think reading you is like reading Faux News, full of hatred and spite….I read wherever I fucking want, you don’t like it, fuck off…
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong


BTW, for the Cunt who keeps posting here saying everyone is a Lance fan, Get a fucking grip bitch.   Maybe we just think reading you is like reading Faux News, full of hatred and spite….I read wherever I fucking want, you don’t like it, fuck off…


My what a sweet response.......can I suggest that if you don't like the style of post and poster you infer, why do the same yourself...... says more about you than anyone else.. Rolling Eyes
cadence

Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong


BTW, for the Cunt who keeps posting here saying everyone is a Lance fan, Get a fucking grip bitch.   Maybe we just think reading you is like reading Faux News, full of hatred and spite….I read wherever I fucking want, you don’t like it, fuck off…


My what a sweet response.......can I suggest that if you don't like the style of post and poster you infer, why do the same yourself...... says more about you than anyone else.. Rolling Eyes


The Code of Hammurabi
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong


BTW, for the Cunt who keeps posting here saying everyone is a Lance fan, Get a fucking grip bitch.   Maybe we just think reading you is like reading Faux News, full of hatred and spite….I read wherever I fucking want, you don’t like it, fuck off…


My what a sweet response.......can I suggest that if you don't like the style of post and poster you infer, why do the same yourself...... says more about you than anyone else.. Rolling Eyes


The Code of Hammurabi


So which one of the 282 laws are we talking about........I like

No: 153

If the wife of one man on account of another man has their mates (her husband and the other man's wife) murdered, both of them shall be impaled.

Responding to a statement with some crass blurb of words about a 4000 year old Babylonian system of laws is mental, what are you on Cadence. Maybe you could send them to Team Radioshit so the second coming could create his own laws by which cycling could live......

you know: If a man shall move along the path faster than the second coming of the lord and if he shall then scale the mountain before him he shall be impaled.......
Rolling Eyes
Slapshot 3

Oh and back to Billgull's original, I don't know much about Ted Kennedy apart from his attempts at intervention in Ireland but reading over the last day or two, he's definately what you'd class as a flawed statesman
cadence

Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong


BTW, for the Cunt who keeps posting here saying everyone is a Lance fan, Get a fucking grip bitch.   Maybe we just think reading you is like reading Faux News, full of hatred and spite….I read wherever I fucking want, you don’t like it, fuck off…


My what a sweet response.......can I suggest that if you don't like the style of post and poster you infer, why do the same yourself...... says more about you than anyone else.. Rolling Eyes


The Code of Hammurabi


So which one of the 282 laws are we talking about........I like

No: 153

If the wife of one man on account of another man has their mates (her husband and the other man's wife) murdered, both of them shall be impaled.

Responding to a statement with some crass blurb of words about a 4000 year old Babylonian system of laws is mental, what are you on Cadence. Maybe you could send them to Team Radioshit so the second coming could create his own laws by which cycling could live......

you know: If a man shall move along the path faster than the second coming of the lord and if he shall then scale the mountain before him he shall be impaled.......
Rolling Eyes


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong


BTW, for the Cunt who keeps posting here saying everyone is a Lance fan, Get a fucking grip bitch.   Maybe we just think reading you is like reading Faux News, full of hatred and spite….I read wherever I fucking want, you don’t like it, fuck off…


My what a sweet response.......can I suggest that if you don't like the style of post and poster you infer, why do the same yourself...... says more about you than anyone else.. Rolling Eyes


The Code of Hammurabi


So which one of the 282 laws are we talking about........I like

No: 153

If the wife of one man on account of another man has their mates (her husband and the other man's wife) murdered, both of them shall be impaled.

Responding to a statement with some crass blurb of words about a 4000 year old Babylonian system of laws is mental, what are you on Cadence. Maybe you could send them to Team Radioshit so the second coming could create his own laws by which cycling could live......

you know: If a man shall move along the path faster than the second coming of the lord and if he shall then scale the mountain before him he shall be impaled.......
Rolling Eyes


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye


....and there was me thinking we'd evolved away from that kind of stuff.....obviously I'm wrong
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
thunderthighs wrote:
another Pimp has died.. that family is garbage..

there issmart  irish guys and losers..they are not smart...

that disgusting family is all sick ridden..Die !!!!

ciao


Another great post by the anti Lance forum, way to go TT, you just moved yourself into a catagory normally reserved for bonobos..I look forward to your next post in crayon.


Don't class the rest of us with TT, he has this inate ability to offend and generally talk bollocks whatever the subject matter. Oh and he is a fan of Pharmstrong


BTW, for the Cunt who keeps posting here saying everyone is a Lance fan, Get a fucking grip bitch.   Maybe we just think reading you is like reading Faux News, full of hatred and spite….I read wherever I fucking want, you don’t like it, fuck off…


My what a sweet response.......can I suggest that if you don't like the style of post and poster you infer, why do the same yourself...... says more about you than anyone else.. Rolling Eyes


The Code of Hammurabi


So which one of the 282 laws are we talking about........I like

No: 153

If the wife of one man on account of another man has their mates (her husband and the other man's wife) murdered, both of them shall be impaled.

Responding to a statement with some crass blurb of words about a 4000 year old Babylonian system of laws is mental, what are you on Cadence. Maybe you could send them to Team Radioshit so the second coming could create his own laws by which cycling could live......

you know: If a man shall move along the path faster than the second coming of the lord and if he shall then scale the mountain before him he shall be impaled.......
Rolling Eyes


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye


....and there was me thinking we'd evolved away from that kind of stuff.....obviously I'm wrong
cadence

Darwin, we just cant help but be human......
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
Darwin, we just cant help but be human......


Prefer Charles Dickens

"I do not know the American gentleman, god forgive me for putting two such words together. "
cadence

Of cousre you don't, its your english education.....god forgive me  for putting the two such words togehter.
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
Of cousre you don't, its your english education.....god forgive me  for putting the two such words togehter.



No I had a Scottish Education, significantly different, we even learnt how to spell ...... Rolling Eyes
cadence

Slapshot 3 wrote:
cadence wrote:
Of cousre you don't, its your english education.....god forgive me  for putting the two such words togehter.



No I had a Scottish Education, significantly different, we even learnt how to spell ...... Rolling Eyes


Thats just great.....
thunderthighs

agreed iam a Lance armstrong fan now.. but i can't fattum why you people support a PIMP..the kennedy family is a garbage, sick fuks, and child molesters..  i guess teh panel forgot was a real
loser... you people....ciao...

2day will be my last day on the site..
ventoux

thunderthighs wrote:
....2day will be my last day on the site..


TT, let me be the first to say.... you'll not be missed... Rolling Eyes
Superbagneres

Here's Ed Klein, former foreign editor of Newsweek magazine and editor-in-chief of New York Times magazine on the great man;

I don't know if you know this or not, but one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, "have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick?" That is just the most amazing thing. It's not that he didn't feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too.
ventoux

Superbagneres wrote:
Here's Ed Klein, former foreign editor of Newsweek magazine and editor-in-chief of New York Times magazine on the great man;

I don't know if you know this or not, but one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, "have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick?" That is just the most amazing thing. It's not that he didn't feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too.


I remember a very convoluted bit of dialogue in the (old!) programme, "Brass" (with Timothy West) - ended up with one of the characters asking Ted
"can you lend a chap a quid, dick?"
cadence

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Oh and back to Billgull's original, I don't know much about Ted Kennedy apart from his attempts at intervention in Ireland but reading over the last day or two, he's definately what you'd class as a flawed statesman


Another gem from across the pond...I'll alert the press to your declaration...we have it all wrong over here, the Hockey player from Scotland says so.
Slapshot 3

cadence wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
Oh and back to Billgull's original, I don't know much about Ted Kennedy apart from his attempts at intervention in Ireland but reading over the last day or two, he's definately what you'd class as a flawed statesman


Another gem from across the pond...I'll alert the press to your declaration...we have it all wrong over here, the Hockey player from Scotland says so.


Really pressing the buttons matey aren't you, what's wrong with the statement, if your comment is an attempt at sarcasm, try again; wit....no your still struggling ...... not Cape in disguise are you.

I don't do clever analytical comments on politics because I understand little enough about UK politics never mind the stuff that goes on across the puddle but that does not exclude me from making a comment.

Michael Moore on Americans.....
"Just for my own mental health, I need to go and sit in a room with 600 Canadians and watch this movie (9/11)" .....

or may I refer you back to Dickens... Rolling Eyes

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