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TDF Stage 17 - Gap to Pinerolo 179 km 20th July

stage 17 - Gap Pinerolo 179 km












MOUNTAINS


Mountain passes & Hills
Gap Pinerolo - 179 km

   Km 71.5 - Côte de Sainte-Marguerite - 2.8 km climb to 7.4 % - Category 3
   Km 85.5 - La Chaussée (montée de Briançon) - 1.4 km climb to 8.3 % - Category 3
   Km 96.5 - Col de Montgenèvre (1 860 m) - 7.9 km climb to 6.1 % - Category 2
   Km 117.0 - Sestrières (2 035 m) - 11.1 km climb to 6.3 % - Category 1
   Km 171.0 - Côte de Pramartino - 6.7 km climb to 6 % - Category 2








Quote:
JEAN-FRANÇOIS PESCHEUX’S ANALYSIS : The Alps begin

“There are still four intense race days left. Heading to Briançon, the road rises gently. Then the riders must cross climb the Col de Montgenèvre, descend, then climb again up to Sestrières this time, then descend again into Pinerolo. Ahead of them is still the Pra Martino, a small climb that’s 7km long and of modest gradient. A rider who is good in the mountains such as Cadel Evans may well be able to make an impression there, because the final run-in, which enables tribute to be made to the 150th anniversary of Italian unification, doesn’t feature any notable difficulties. This stage will bring huge satisfaction to the people of Pinerolo, who for many years have been keen to host a stage finish. The town is near to the border and offers the opportunity for this year’s only incursion into foreign territory.”


Edited to add in the mountain info.
Nolte

what gradient is the final hill? 5.3%?
mazda

This stage looks like the big brother to today's stage to Gap.

But lightening does not strike twice, so I'm expecting a dull, uninspired 4 and a half hours racing.

One of the FDJ boys will make a last, desperate attempt to win the KoM.
mazda

Nolte wrote:
what gradient is the final hill? 5.3%?

The middle section of 4.5 km is 8% average.
But I've not seen a climb where the term average is so meaningless.

Look at those 14%, 15%, 16% sections.
Bartali

Strange ol hill this one ... but if its wet I expect a reply of today. Sad
70kmph

The final descent


Link
smarauder68

Good day for a break to succeed...perhaps a patriotic Italiano will get in the break and win on his home soil....
HuwB

Profile looks more like a flight of steps, than a road.
I can't see this opportunity being passed over.
Some will suffer.
Boogerd_Fan

suits the big boys, who will be able to make a dig and then make it stick with the 4 "steps"
unfortunately after yesterdays showing, i have to say its tailor made for Contador to get some more time back.

the guys who do suffer on the steep bits, have to remember there is a descent to risk getting some lost time back. Everyone except Andy Schleck that is... after his piss poor showing on yesterdays descent, he HAS to be at the front when they drive over the climb. Otherwise his challenge is over.

Shouldn't overlook Sestrieres either - altho its a long way from the finish and is followed by  along descent, its not exactly easy either. A good leg loosener Very Happy
mazda

Well I'm looking forward to seeing Contador try to attack Evans.
Whether you want CE or AC to win then it makes it better as a spectacle for that gap to close.
If nothing changes in that respect then the final TT and winner is a foregone conclusion.

Obviously would be even better if one of the weaker TT riders could get away to make a difference, but can't see that happening.
Evans showed descending yesterday that he can pull anyone back on the long descent from Sestrieres.
Bartali

One of the big boys will crash out today if its wet!!
gerry12ie

Gutless dilletante moan-fest here http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...ce-2011-schleck-dangerous-descent
smarauder68

I really think a large break will stick today with a few domestici italiani looking for a stage win on their home soil...Couldn't come up with any who are riding well enough to actually win a stage...

Considered the following:

Marcato (too tired from yesterday)
Malori (will be tasked to watch over Cunego)
Tiralongo (might be the best bet)
Santaromita (watching over Cadel)
Oss (watching over Basso)
Bono (too busy splitting up the Sudan?)


End of the day, I couldn't find any who would be given freedom to go for it...made me think how far Italian cycling has fallen in recent years....
Geraint

Its as hard as trying to pick a French rider who has any form to win on 14 July.
mazda

Tiralongo (might be the best bet) has abandoned at 58km.
smarauder68

mazda wrote:
Tiralongo (might be the best bet) has abandoned at 58km.


As I said, its not easy to come up with any Italian capable this year....
Severo

No Italians in the break. The best Italy has is a rider from an Italian team - Leakygas rider Maciek Paterski.
HuwB

Tjallingii, Fofonov, Moeravjev, Leukemans, Hivert.
Pérez, Amador, Casar, El Farès, Hagen, Mollema,
Paterski, Chavanel and Bozic in the break of the day.
smarauder68

From that group, Casar, Fofonov and Chavanel would be my faves...
smarauder68

By the way, Amador needs 4 minutes to ride his way out of the Lantern Rouge...Smile
HuwB

Harmon and Kelly also calling this descent very dangerous in the extreme.
Hang on a mo, though, wasn't this the same finish that Di Luca
attacked on, during the 2009 Giro.
If, so, why wasn't there all this safety debate back then?
gerry12ie

HuwB wrote:
Harmon and Kelly also calling this descent very dangerous in the extreme.
Hang on a mo, though, wasn't this the same finish that Di Luca
attacked on, during the 2009 Giro.
If, so, why wasn't there all this safety debate back then?


Because it was Di Luca and nobody cared? Wink
mazda

Roche goes on the attack.
No doubt putting himself in the shop window.
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Harmon and Kelly also calling this descent very dangerous in the extreme.
Hang on a mo, though, wasn't this the same finish that Di Luca
attacked on, during the 2009 Giro.
If, so, why wasn't there all this safety debate back then?


Because it was Di Luca and nobody cared? Wink


On a lighter note, this Keystone Cops maxi caduta was in Pinerolo


Link
smarauder68

Gap starting to come down...I reckon if the peleton get within 3 minutes by the summit of the Cat 1 climb, they'll get within 1:30 by the final cat 2 climb and we could be looking at a AC, Sanchez, Evans, Gilbert, Schlecks, Hushovd duel....

If the gap isn't cut dramatically(down to 3 min or less) by Sestrieres than the break stays away.
smarauder68

Well, the break looks clear and free today...6:30 at the top of Sestrieres...

Hoogerland and Roche bridging the gap to make it a 17 man break.

Garmin might wanna pull it back to protect their team lead....Looking for Hushovd, Danielson and CVV to start reeling them in...
HuwB

This stage is like Pau or Briancon, with an exciting bit (hopefully) tagged on the end.
Bit of a zzzzzzzzzz fest, thus far.
smarauder68

There are a couple of tough parts of that final climb with gradiants over 10% for 500m or so. Might be a good time for AC or Sammy to attack Evans.
Boogerd_Fan

last 10k... great to watch. first 150 or so... zzzzzz

that blokes patio is getting a lot of great advertisement from Hivault and Voeckler overcooking the corner! haha

wow totally blown apart on a descent!
berck

Seems even the official TdF site is anointing Contador as the eventual winner. The Yellow Group is being referred to as Contador's Group
70kmph

Haha !
Boogerd_Fan

they didnt show many turns on ES.. but it looked like Samu in particularly was doing all kinds of crazy stuff on the descent.

Andy burying himself to drag that group back together. But they'll all get time on Voeckler... who looked isolated and spent on this drag to the finish.
berck

I was surprised that the Schlecks were able to catch Contador. Must have had the aid of Evans...
HuwB

berck wrote:
I was surprised that the Schlecks were able to catch Contador. Must have had the aid of Evans...


They did. 7 chasing 2.
Bertie caught behind that little crash at the start of the climb, so had to work his way through the bunch.

Lesson of the day: The descent is only as dangerous as a rider makes it. Hivert and Voeckler went at it way too hard and it cost them time.

Harmon was quite hysterical, at times.

Bertie interviewed in English and he thinks he is getting better each day.
First chink in Cadel's armour?
berck

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...
smarauder68

berck wrote:
I was surprised that the Schlecks were able to catch Contador. Must have had the aid of Evans...


Sanchez and Contador ran out of gas in the final 2km after expending so much energy on the descent...Great work from pack chasing to reel them in...I think they were only 10 seconds behind at the most though...
nicedommie

berck wrote:
Tomorrow is going to be interesting...


don't we say that every day? Very Happy
KarenP

smarauder68 wrote:
berck wrote:
I was surprised that the Schlecks were able to catch Contador. Must have had the aid of Evans...


Sanchez and Contador ran out of gas in the final 2km after expending so much energy on the descent...Great work from pack chasing to reel them in...I think they were only 10 seconds behind at the most though...


These last two stages, it looks like Contador has been going very deep.  I wonder how for many more stages he can keep that up.
70kmph

Final KM

Link
Biosphere

KarenP wrote:
These last two stages, it looks like Contador has been going very deep.  I wonder how for many more stages he can keep that up.


Well, the last two stages he's looked like he had the rest of two men on Monday. I think he'll be fine, but it would be dramatic if he blows.
hengispod

alberto contador, to show why he is easily the best bike rider of his generation......this week in the alps.
above all, an amazingly gifted athlete with a ferocious work ethic and will to win.
i think he will get yellow.
and it should be a should be a fascinating watch.
mazda

Yes, he's hardly going to be worried about losing a possible 2nd, 3rd or 4th like a lot of riders sometimes seem to be.
He'll go all out for the win.

Same for Evans it has to be said, but from a different perspective.
hengispod

mazda wrote:
Yes, he's hardly going to be worried about losing a possible 2nd, 3rd or 4th like a lot of riders sometimes seem to be.
He'll go all out for the win.

Same for Evans it has to be said, but from a different perspective.


yep. totally agree mazda. evans has the best chance of a tour win he wil ever have. doubtless he know's that!
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
This stage is like Pau or Briancon, with an exciting bit (hopefully) tagged on the end.
Bit of a zzzzzzzzzz fest, thus far.


Overall then, Hugh, was the end exciting enough?  Even though some would say "nothing happened".  Kind of a Zen Tour.  Nothing happens, but something happens.    Rolling Eyes
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:
KarenP wrote:
These last two stages, it looks like Contador has been going very deep.  I wonder how for many more stages he can keep that up.


Well, the last two stages he's looked like he had the rest of two men on Monday. I think he'll be fine, but it would be dramatic if he blows.


I figure, like others, that if he does not go for it, he won't win.  If he goes for it and blows, he won't win.  Since he is the kind of guy who goes for it, it would seem, we shall see what happens when he goes for it.  He has no choice.   I do agree, it should be a bit dramatic, these next three days.

Exactly, more or less, as the Tour designers wanted.  Big climax in the last week, with a bit of entertainment on each stage to keep us interested.  Rather nice Tour in the end ... so far.
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
HuwB wrote:
This stage is like Pau or Briancon, with an exciting bit (hopefully) tagged on the end.
Bit of a zzzzzzzzzz fest, thus far.


Overall then, Hugh, was the end exciting enough?  Even though some would say "nothing happened".  Kind of a Zen Tour.  Nothing happens, but something happens.    Rolling Eyes


Nothing happened in terms of shuffling the GC, but the GC boys were full on racing down a nail biting descent, so in my books, that rates as a good stage end.

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