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TDF Stage 13 - Pau to Lourdes 152.5 km 15th July

stage 13 - Pau to Lourdes 152.5 km











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JEAN-FRANÇOIS PESCHEUX’S ANALYSIS : A chance for glory

“This is a stage that will suit the breakaway specialists, the baroudeurs, who can take some big climbs in their stride, because the Aubisque features about halfway through. Last year, one of the most memorable stages was the one over the Madeleine, with the finish about 30km on from that summit. Once again, if there are plenty of attacks, it will only need one of the favourites to get caught out and his rivals will all react, and we will see a significant change in the overall order. On the other hand, a team leader who has already been struggling could try to go for glory on the Aubisque, because from there the road is all downhill. As there is no summit finish today, the best climbers won’t go all out today. They will just stay in the wheels. Other riders, those likely to finish between 15th and 30th in Paris, will contest the victory once the sprinters have been eliminated from today’s equation.”


God knows. Should favour a break and anyone who does get dropped on the climb will almost certainly make it back on.
smarauder68

Good stage for S.Sanchez to go on the attack???
smarauder68

I think Samu can make it 2 in a row with a daring attack on the descent....He and Voekler will come to the final KM banner together with a 20 second lead over the Schlecks and AC.  Sancheze will outsprint Voekler to the line and Evans will get up for 3rd, gapping the Schlecks and AC.

FP for Stage 13:

1)Sanchez
2)Voekler..St
3)Evans....@18
4)A.Schleck @ 22
5)F.Schleck @22
6)AC....@22
7)Cunego @35
8)Basso @35
9)Leip @35
10)Danielson @35

New GC After Stage 13:

1)Voekler
2)F.Schleck @2:18
3)Evans.....@2:24
4)A.Schleck @2:39
5)Basso @ 3:41
6)Cunego @ 3:47
7)Sanchez @4:11
8)Contador @4:22
9)Danielson @5:10
10)Roche @6:33
Bartali

Not a technical descent otherwise I would have fancied Cunego for this.
Boogerd_Fan

well the position of the intermediate sprint will mean HTC control it for 90kms.

After that? another Europcar exhibition? I was surprised they managed it today tbh, but why not again tomorrow with just 1 climb to navigate?

60-rider reach the kite, anyone's guess who'll take it, maybe one of the big teams' superdomestiques or a Ten Dam type.
Mrs John Murphy

This stage design is so pointless and it is all about making money rather than the racing? Seriously, why have an HC climb with 42km of descent in which any microgaps can be made up.

I think today is a dangerous day for FS, AS and Basso given their bad descending. Basso doesn't have Nibs to help him out.

Something I can't understand re-MV is why Rojas and Gilbert haven't been trying to get into breaks for the first half of the race.

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GC

1. VOECKLER Thomas
2. SCHLECK Frank + 01' 49"
3. EVANS Cadel     + 02' 06"
4. SCHLECK Andy   + 02' 17"
5. BASSO Ivan       + 03' 16"
6. CUNEGO Damiano + 03' 22"
7. CONTADOR Alberto + 04' 00"
8. SANCHEZ Samuel + 04' 11"
9. DANIELSON Tom + 04' 35"
10. ROCHE Nicolas       + 04' 57"
11. DE WEERT Kevin + 05' 07"


Points

1. CAVENDISH Mark 260 pts
2. ROJAS Jose Joaquin 242 pts
3. GILBERT Philippe 234 pts
4. GREIPEL André         164 pts
5. HUSHOVD Thor         163 pts
6. EVANS Cadel         146 pts
7. FARRAR Tyler         106 pts
8. HINAULT Sébastien 82 pts
9. DELAGE Mickaël 80 pts
10. HAGEN Edvald Boasson   75 pts

Mountains

1. SANCHEZ Samuel 40 pts
2. VANENDERT Jelle 32 pts
3. ROY Jérémy         24 pts
4. SCHLECK Frank           24 pts
5. HOOGERLAND Johnny   22 pts
6. THOMAS Geraint 18 pts
7. KADRI Blel         18 pts
8. VOECKLER Thomas 17 pts
9. BASSO Ivan         16 pts
10. PEREZ MORENO Ruben   16 pts

White

1. JEANNESSON Arnold
2. TAARAMAE Rein + 01' 37"
3. URAN Rigoberto         + 02' 05"
4. COPPEL Jérôme         + 03' 01"
5. ROLLAND Pierre + 03' 30"
6. THOMAS Geraint + 04' 31"
7. RUIJGH Rob         + 05' 16"
8. GAUTIER Cyril         + 11' 35"
9. GESINK Robert         + 15' 05"
10. ZEITS Andrey         + 22' 56"

Withdrawn

Stage 12

201 FEILLU Romain (FRA) VACANSOLEIL-DCM non-starter
193 GALIMZYANOV Denis (RUS) KATUSHA TEAM outside time limit

Stage 11

104 GADRET John (FRA) AG2R LA MONDIALE non-starter

Stage 10

197 KOLOBNEV Alexandr (RUS) KATUSHA TEAM non-starter
78 POPOVYCH Yaroslav (UKR) TEAM RADIOSHACK non-starter

Stage 9

207 POELS Wouter (NED) VACANSOLEIL-DCM withdrawls
192 BRUTT Pavel (RUS) KATUSHA TEAM withdrawls
61 VINOKOUROV Alexandre (KAZ) PRO TEAM ASTANA withdrawls
59 ZABRISKIE David (USA) TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO withdrawls
44 GARATE Juan Manuel (ESP) RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM non-starter
39 WILLEMS Frederik (BEL) OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO withdrawls
31 VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen (BEL) OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO withdrawls
26 TXURRUKA Amets (ESP) EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI withdrawls

Stage 8

86 INTXAUSTI Benat (ESP) MOVISTAR TEAM withdrawls
72 HORNER Christopher (USA) TEAM RADIOSHACK non-starter

Stage 7

136 PAURIOL Rémi (FRA) FDJ withdrawls
122 BOONEN Tom (BEL) QUICK STEP CYCLING TEAM withdrawls
111 WIGGINS Bradley (GBR) SKY PROCYCLING withdrawls

Stage 6

87 KIRYIENKA Vasil (BLR) MOVISTAR TEAM outside time limit
28 VELASCO Ivan (ESP) EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI non-starter

Stage 5

186 KERN Christophe (FRA) TEAM EUROPCAR withdrawls
71 BRAJKOVIC Janez (SLO) TEAM RADIOSHACK withdrawls

Stage 4

37 VAN DE WALLE Jurgen (BEL) OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO withdrawls
Boogerd_Fan

Maybe we'll see Gilbert go today?

But then again, HTC will very quickly chase.
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
well the position of the intermediate sprint will mean HTC control it for 90kms.


Might OPL not try something on the climb to the feed station and then try to maintain the gap to the sprint? Does feed station etiquette preclude that? Based on how Gilbert went yesterday, I wouldn't exempt him from contesting the bunch sprint in Lourdes if there are points to be had. Is it a 45 pointer based on the lack of the MTF?

MJM wrote:
Seriously, why have an HC climb with 42km of descent in which any microgaps can be made up.


Cos it's a stage that's designed for breakaways and a home winner? Is that any worse than the 2km of GC attacking we saw yesterday? I didn't see yesterday as the highlights were on too late, but listening on the radio was boring. Even the commentary team were getting bored waiting for an attack and wondering if were were actually going to see something? Got agree with Huw's comment about timidity. Bertie could have been seriously gapped yesterday if they'd had the balls to try earlier.

Having put the KOD on Moncoutie yesterday with a joker he'll probably come up trumps today Rolling Eyes
Fontfroide

So although it is totally ridiculous to suppose I have any idea who will win the stage, here's my story.  EBH or Geraint or both will get in a break and be waiting for Uran who will ride with the best, until about five k from the top, attack (no one else will attack that early) and go over ahead of the big guys, where his teammates will time trial him to the end, each gaining two minutes on everyone, along with whoever else is in the break.  Could be two French guys or anyone really.  Maybe EBH or Geraint will win instead, but Uran will gain the time and become a new young unknown threat, since he can climb and time trial.  The Sky team will unite behind him and Uran will finish on the podium.

I have other stories.  Several every day.  Seldom do any of them happen, but making up stories is loads of fun during the Tour.  In the "real story" sometimes, nothing much happens.

I am NOT a Sky fan, although I do think they have some fine young riders.
Bartali

... more like a fantasy FF! Wink
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
Got agree with Huw's comment about timidity. Bertie could have been seriously gapped yesterday if they'd had the balls to try earlier.


There's a good picture of Evans post-stage in the Telegraph today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/...stage-12-in-pictures.html?image=8

If Andy S was also hanging onto barriers as Huw (I think it was Huw) suggested last night then it might just be the top guys got up as quickly as they could, and a concerted attack lower down would simply have led to the attacker blowing up.

Other than Frank S being in exceptional form and Berto being slightly off the pace, it's difficult to know for sure how the other contenders are really faring. Body language yesterday suggested that the effort on final climb was at the harder end of the scale all round, though.
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
I have other stories.  Several every day.  Seldom do any of them happen, but making up stories is loads of fun during the Tour.  In the "real story" sometimes, nothing much happens.

I am NOT a Sky fan, although I do think they have some fine young riders.


My ongoing story is that "G" wins the Tour in 2014 for Sky. I just can't shake the thought...Smile
Boogerd_Fan

Gilbert already trying to escape, they will not let this be easy for Cav Smile
smarauder68

Has anybody looked faster on descents than Voekler or Sanchez???

As long as they reach the summit of the HC Climb within 2 minutes, they'll catch any break before the final 15km and roll on  to a sprint finish together.
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Gilbert already trying to escape, they will not let this be easy for Cav Smile


And riders including Kloeden are being shelled out the back. Attempted breaks are going at 60km/h!
Bartali

SlowRower wrote:
There's a good picture of Evans post-stage in the Telegraph today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/...stage-12-in-pictures.html?image=8

If Andy S was also hanging onto barriers as Huw (I think it was Huw) suggested last night then it might just be the top guys got up as quickly as they could, and a concerted attack lower down would simply have led to the attacker blowing up.

Other than Frank S being in exceptional form and Berto being slightly off the pace, it's difficult to know for sure how the other contenders are really faring. Body language yesterday suggested that the effort on final climb was at the harder end of the scale all round, though.


All of which contrasts well with my man B - "Immediately on crossing the line, a remarkably fresh Basso could scarcely keep a grin from his face, even if his initial assessment of his day's work was a cautious one."  I'm starting to get excited ... Laughing
phildange

50 km done in the first hour . It's gonna be exhausting for everybody today . Today's thriller : How to beat the Cav ?
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
There's a good picture of Evans post-stage in the Telegraph today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/...stage-12-in-pictures.html?image=8

If Andy S was also hanging onto barriers as Huw (I think it was Huw) suggested last night then it might just be the top guys got up as quickly as they could, and a concerted attack lower down would simply have led to the attacker blowing up.

Other than Frank S being in exceptional form and Berto being slightly off the pace, it's difficult to know for sure how the other contenders are really faring. Body language yesterday suggested that the effort on final climb was at the harder end of the scale all round, though.


All of which contrasts well with my man B - "Immediately on crossing the line, a remarkably fresh Basso could scarcely keep a grin from his face, even if his initial assessment of his day's work was a cautious one."  I'm starting to get excited ... Laughing


Voeckler was with them until close to the end. I don't think they went as fast as they could. I'd also speculate that if they had gapped Contador earlier they might have had a bigger gap without having to ride any faster.
Biosphere

Kloeden seems to have abandoned.
phildange

Our friend Lars Boom abandoned too .
smarauder68

The return of THOR!!!

Looks like he will fight it out with Pettachi and EBH for the sprint and then try to climb with Pineau, Roy and Moncoutie...Fofinov can climb a little too...

Peleton sitting up and letting them go...could be a big day for Thor....
SAP

Lars Boom boom pow! abandons. A few minutes after Kloden.
maffy

Biosphere wrote:
Voeckler was with them until close to the end. I don't think they went as fast as they could. I'd also speculate that if they had gapped Contador earlier they might have had a bigger gap without having to ride any faster.


think back to the mountains at trentino. voeckler was climbing better than ever with scarpers back then. kern surprising at the dauphine partially masked his climbing form.

have they noticed letting gusev go with moncoutie in this break is a mistake yet?
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
Voeckler was with them until close to the end.


That is indeed inconsistent with Evans (per photo) and A Schleck (per anecdotal evidence) being very tired at the end. Confusing.

Does anyone have any times for the ascent of Luz A? Some numbers to spice up/confuse the anlysis would be good. Smile
phildange

This Cavendish trying to influence the commissaires with his gesture as if Rojas had cheated in the sprint, although cameras don't show anything .
I don't like this lad .
He was filmed in the Giro grabbing cars in the climbs, and just now Philippe Gilbert came to Pescheux's car . We couldn't hear clearly but he said : "mais il s'accroche"  ( but he hooks on ) . Not sure whom he was speaking about but well...
kathy

I couldn't see anything wrong with that sprint.  I thought the MOvistar riders pulled it off quite cleverly.  Which reminds me, I must phone Movistar.....
Biosphere

So what were the odds today on the last two winners of the green jersey being in the break that went over the HC climb first Laughing Is it going to be another muddy night for Maffy?

As for me tempting fate by saying Moncoutie would be in the break today on the FP thread Evil or Very Mad
phildange

Exceptional Tour from Jeremie Roy . Everyday in attack . He knows if he reaches the top first or second he'll get the polka dot .
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
So what were the odds today on the last two winners of the green jersey being in the break that went over the HC climb first Laughing


Well it was clear to me that Thor and Petacchi were in touch with their "inner mountain goat" when they didn't contest the intermediate sprint.

Or maybe Petacchi's DS forgot to tell him about the Aubisque and has assured him it's largely flat today. Smile
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
... more like a fantasy FF! Wink


Yes, that's a better word than story.  I meant a made up story.  Not a carefully considered prediction.  

Mind you.  I got the first bit right.  EBH in the break.   Laughing

How about Thor though, I like when stuff like that happens.  Even if it goes nowhere.
smarauder68

Can Thor catch Roy and Moncoutie over 40km of descending???
phildange

He'll catch Moncoutié easily, but i hope Roy will get the graal .
Fontfroide

Toot toot.  French in yellow, French in spots, French in white.  When have we ever seen that?  Cocorico.
smarauder68

Fontfroide wrote:
Toot toot.  French in yellow, French in spots, French in white.  When have we ever seen that?  Cocorico.


Not since 1989 have we seen the French this prominent at this late juncture.

Let's see how many of the Jersey's they can keep when the Peleton rolls into Paris...I reckon, it'll just be the white one.
Fontfroide

Fontfroide wrote:
Toot toot.  French in yellow, French in spots, French in white.  When have we ever seen that?  Cocorico.


Last time was 2001, they say.
phildange

In 2001 it was in the first stages. It's more serious this time, after  2/3 of the Tour .
phildange

J.Roy gives everything . That's a fighter .
Moncoutié traitor !
smarauder68

Roy heading for a stage win...They can't catch him now unless he punctures or crashes...
Fontfroide

I would not call it very serious, would you?  I look at it as a very pleasant and enjoyable coincidence for the French.  They did put on the show after all, so they should get something to be happy about, according to natural justice and good behaviour.  

I find this stage vaguely interesting, but really a bit of a damp squib, compared to what it might be.  Mind you, many suspected not a lot would happen.
Fontfroide

phildange wrote:

Moncoutié traitor !


You must have missed out a  Wink

Moncoutie is not taking relays.  He just followed Thor, never would have done it without Thor.
MS

smarauder68 wrote:
Roy heading for a stage win...They can't catch him now unless he punctures or crashes...


Doh!
smarauder68

Thor is too strong!!!!

What a tour for Thor...He could still win green!
phildange

Moncoutié : idiot !
Roy with tears in his eyes .
MS

phildange wrote:
Moncoutié : idiot !
Roy with tears in his eyes .


And he's an "idiot" why?
HuwB

Ppfff.
Did anybody seriously think Thor wasn't going to take back 2 minutes over 40kms of those parcours?
Bread and butter of his Ilk is descending faster than the 60 kilo mob.

The only thing I saw that has me wondering nuts?, was Phil Gilbert's manic sprint for 10th when Mollema clearly was not going to contest.

EBH 3rd in a sprint with Pineau and Bak. Embarassed
phildange

MS wrote:
phildange wrote:
Moncoutié : idiot !
Roy with tears in his eyes .


And he's an "idiot" why?


Because he collaborated with Thor although he had no chance to beat him .
Fontfroide

phildange wrote:
Moncoutié : idiot !
Roy with tears in his eyes .


And Thor rode cleverly, powerfully, skilfully and like a world champion who did what not a single soul could have predicted.  He was superb.
maffy

HuwB wrote:
Ppfff.
The only thing I saw that has me wondering nuts?, was Phil Gilbert's manic sprint for 10th when Mollema clearly was not going to contest.


every second counts Wink

gusev rolls over karpets in the first russian on gc comp. tchmil will be chuffed with his masterplan.
Fontfroide

Hi Phil,
Not sure if we were watching the same race.  I saw Moncoutie hardly ever in front, maybe twice, I saw him refusing to collaborate, I saw him mostly wheel sucking in the hope that he might attack on the last little cote.  Thor was stronger, he did the work.  He won.  That is why Thor is world Champion, a nice guy and why Moncoutie is an on again off again, who knows what he might do type of rider.

As for Roy, nice try but he is not that good.
MS

phildange wrote:
MS wrote:
phildange wrote:
Moncoutié : idiot !
Roy with tears in his eyes .


And he's an "idiot" why?


Because he collaborated with Thor although he had no chance to beat him .


What race were you watching? He did virtually nothing to help Thor.
phildange

Moncoutié stopped collaborating when they nearly caught Roy . He admitted it on French TV just now, saying he was hoping a puncture or an incident for Thor . .
kathy

Moncoutie did colloborate a bit, but not a lot.  And remember Phil, he is paid by Cofidis, not by the French public (excluding those who take out Cofidis loans, of course Wink )
Fontfroide

phildange wrote:
Moncoutié stopped collaborating when they nearly caught Roy . He admitted it on French TV just now, saying he was hoping a puncture or an incident for Thor . .


I heard him say he was going to attack on the last cote, where in fact Thor attacked.  Mind, I was watching the French TV, and you might have watched another interview on another channel.  Did you not see Thor asking for help and Moncoutie refusing several times while they were on the screen.  Although David did ride in front a couple times.

Problem with Moncoutie is that he wins so infrequently he has forgotten how to do it, and further, he wins when others do not really care that much.  Thor cared.  Roy cared.  David lost.  But because he was not as good, not because he was an idiot.  Having said that, not many could have won against Thor at that point.  What strategy could've worked?
MS

phildange wrote:
Moncoutié stopped collaborating when they nearly caught Roy . He admitted it on French TV just now, saying he was hoping a puncture or an incident for Thor . .


This isn't the Olympics. He wasn't chasing down a teammate, for Christ's sake. He didn't even put much effort into helping the chase.
HuwB

phildange wrote:
Moncoutié stopped collaborating when they nearly caught Roy . He admitted it on French TV just now, saying he was hoping a puncture or an incident for Thor . .


Hard to see what else Moncoutie could have done when Thor arrived on his back wheel. Thor asked him if he was prepared to work. If he had said no, I'm fairly confident the response would have been to get rid of him on the downhill.
His only possible chance of winning the stage, was to make those choices and hope for a fluke mechanical.
phildange

Don't get me wrong. I like Thor, he's a complete rider and a nice fellow. He's been very clever today, using perfectly his qualities and weaknesses and deserved the win .
I feel sorry for Jeremy first, and I think Moncoutié should have left Thor doing all the work from the begining if he wanted a chance of winning the stage .
OK, not very fairplay, but what he did killed his own chances and damaged Roy's .
berck

Dang, I orginally picked Roy to FP this stage, then switch when I made my actual FP to Cunego. Last time I'll do that!

Congrats to Thor!
KarenP

What was up with Gilbert at the intermediate sprint?  Was he really trying to escape the bunch there to get the sprint points or did you make a mistake a think that the green kite was actually the intermediate sprint?
maffy

gilbert trying to get the jump, according to the correction at the end of the itv highlights, then complaining about extra htcs and movis staying up for points.

enjoyed the stage. one of those where it's short/on-telly-early enough to see the break formation. went back and watched again from just before klodi being detached from his bike until boom getting off, 20kms of the racing that daylight deprived internet forum people are always asking for. and the follow mbike pics of who was on the front when bertie was dropped.

then the rest that the highlights covered, nice scenery, interesting groups/splits, brave roy, clever thor.

Fontfroide wrote:
And Thor rode cleverly, powerfully, skilfully and like a world champion who did what not a single soul could have predicted.  He was superb.


oddly, he was pretty short odds beforehand - after gilbert, ebh!, moncoutie and chavanel. bet the bookies didn't have his method in mind, mind.

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