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TDF Stage 12 - Cugnaux to Luz-Ardiden 211 km 14th July

Stage 12 - Cugnaux to Luz-Ardiden 211 km











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Cugnaux Luz-Ardiden - 211 km

   Km 141.5 - Hourquette d'Ancizan (1538 m) - 9.9 km climb to 7.5 % - Category 1
   Km 175.5 - Col du Tourmalet (2115 m) - 17.1 km climb to 7.3 % - Category H
   Km 211.0 - Luz-Ardiden (1715 m) - 1.3 km climb to 7.4 % - Category H


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JEAN-FRANÇOIS PESCHEUX’S ANALYSIS : Summit finish in the high mountains

“The race’s first major climb, the Hourquette d’Ancizan, an off-shoot of the Aspin, makes its first appearance on the Tour. The riders then head onto the Tourmalet. They descend off that and finish with the climb to Luz-Ardiden, which has not featured in the race since 2003. That year, Armstrong crashed after colliding with a spectator, bringing Mayo down with him. Everyone waited for him, then his foot slipped out of his pedal. But in the end the American dropped all of his rivals and went on to win the stage and give himself a bit of breathing space in the yellow jersey. Following this stage, which is a long one at 209km, the overall classification will become a bit clearer and more structured.”



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Bastille Day Smile

Lots of Frenchies trying to get on TV

Meanwhile the GC contenders will sit and watch one another. The Dertie (after a bike change) will suddenly whizz off like he is on a motorbike. Andy will spend his time looking round for Frank and Cuddles will burst into tears. Klean Kloden will plod on into a podium place.
smarauder68

Looks like a stage that will eliminate all but 5 or 6 riders from realistic hopes....Could see a huge break start the day and try to hang on...A beauty of stage!

I reckon by the end of this stage it'll be down to the Evans, Schlecks, Contador, Basso and maybe S.Sanchez.

Thursday can't get here fast enough!
Boogerd_Fan

Someone (who has lost time and has nothing to lose) needs to attack on the descent of the Tourmalet.

Otherwise i can see this one being about watching each other to the finish and a few digs nearer the top of the Luz Ardiden climb only.
phildange

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Someone (who has lost time and has nothing to lose) needs to attack on the descent of the Tourmalet.

Otherwise i can see this one being about watching each other to the finish and a few digs nearer the top of the Luz Ardiden climb only.


If only ! I miss a good old moutain attack with panache from a top gun . Oh boy ! When was the last one , in which year ?
Next year I'll watch 60s/70s races instead, even in black and white .
nicedommie

wouldnt be surprised to see voeckler to attack, just for the hell of it
Boogerd_Fan

Was thinking that too.. maybe to get a headstart on the final climb?
HuwB

If only someone had the balls to destroy the standard format of recent Tour MTFs by attacking at La Mongie.
This stage is the only one where individuals don't have to wait for the final climb. The shock would be too much for some; a collective panic would set in.
Hardly summer, but mostly dry forecast.

smarauder68

FP for Stage 12:

1)S.Sanchez.....
2)Basso....st
3)A.Schleck...st
4)Evans ...st
5)LL. Sanchez @26
6)Cunego @33
7)Contador @44
8)Kloeden @1:05
9)Leipheimer @1:05
10)Voekler @1:05

New GC after stage 12:

1)Voekler
2)LL Sanchez @ 50 sec
3)Evans @ 1:24
4)A.Schleck 1:33
5)Cunego @ 2:44

Contador's little fall and bruised knee gives him a built in excuse for not performing at his best...I suspect all the negative vibes surrounding his participation are playing havoc with him mentally and he'll wind up losing time...

I reckon Voekler can hang on to Yellow until Monday afternoon...
kathy

Voeckler himself doesn't expect to hang on to yellow today.

Pinched from another forum

http://www.cyclingfans.com/node/2642
SlowRower

smarauder68 wrote:
Contador's little fall and bruised knee gives him a built in excuse for not performing at his best...I suspect all the negative vibes surrounding his participation are playing havoc with him mentally and he'll wind up losing time...


I doubt that mental frailties will affect Berto. He proved in 2009 that he can deal with anything Armstrong could throw at him and has won plenty this year with the fallout from his positive test hanging over him.

An injured knee and leftover fatigue from the Giro might compromise his physical capabilities though.
Biosphere

SlowRower wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Contador's little fall and bruised knee gives him a built in excuse for not performing at his best...I suspect all the negative vibes surrounding his participation are playing havoc with him mentally and he'll wind up losing time...


I doubt that mental frailties will affect Berto. He proved in 2009 that he can deal with anything Armstrong could throw at him and has won plenty this year with the fallout from his positive test hanging over him.

An injured knee and leftover fatigue from the Giro might compromise his physical capabilities though.


I think the Armstrong stuff was easy enough for him to deal with as he knew he had the beating of him on the road. I don't think he's in that position at all this year. He's injured and tired.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tiralongo-contador-is-not-serene

I wonder what Tiralongo's bosses think of him riding for another team whilst on their payroll Laughing
HuwB

One break, it's gone. Over 5 minute lead as we get live pictures.
French tv stayed with that twit, Sarkozy, inspecting his troups in Paris.
phildange

Romain Feuillu didn't start today . One more out of the race .
Beside Contador's tireness and injury, he also has a weak team . If he was able to triumph in spite of that I would love him . Don't know if you ever watched  young Rolling Stones' first ever appearance on an American TV, but Mick dared lighting up to a superhuman performance and I'll never forget what he did .
If Conti could give everything and more against adversity who knows ? Maybe he got a super grinta, super guts and we 'll discover him ...
But well Im a dreamer .
Nolte

i think we'll see one sprinter thrown off the race today for taking too much tows.
i think the organisers will want to make the message they are serious
phildange

Geraint Thomas is yellow jersey right now. He's in the breakaway with a 7 mn gap .
kathy

Harmon already in la-la land!  Thinks Voeckler might attack at the foot of Luz Ardiden and win in the yellow jersey on Bastille day!
phildange

Kathy, Moncoutié will try something today . His team in in front . TV also maybe ?
Woundn't be surprised with a new white jersey tonight .
Taaramae .
Nolte

kathy wrote:
Harmon already in la-la land!  Thinks Voeckler might attack at the foot of Luz Ardiden and win in the yellow jersey on Bastille day!


maybe he's been distracted by some twits
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
I think the Armstrong stuff was easy enough for him to deal with as he knew he had the beating of him on the road. I don't think he's in that position at all this year. He's injured and tired.


I'm not saying Berto's mental strength will overcome any physical deficiencies, just that he won't underperform relative to his current capabilities simply because he's worrying. All the evidence suggests that Bert doesn't underperform (relative to what he's capable of at the time) due to mind-games, worry etc. I don't doubt he is worrying - with the Giro in both legs and a dodgy knee on one of them, who wouldn't? - but the worry won't slow him down.

On the mind-games front, I wonder how Andy S will respond? Realistically, he should beat Berto quite easily this year, but he still needs to "do the deed" when expected to do so. Previously, finishing 2nd to Berto represented a good result, whereas now it will be failure. Will he "step up" or "go AWOL" I wonder? AWOL is my bet, but who will step in to take advantage of Berto's weakened condition?
Biosphere

SlowRower wrote:
I'm not saying Berto's mental strength will overcome any physical deficiencies, just that he won't underperform relative to his current capabilities simply because he's worrying . . . .


Well, we'll probably never be able to tell one way or the other, but I think the stress will chip away at his capabilities a bit. Schleck had him under pressure last year and he ended up under performing in the ITT IMO.
CapeRoadie

Shocked
CapeRoadie

phildange wrote:
Geraint Thomas is yellow jersey right now. He's in the breakaway with a 7 mn gap .


No, Voeckler is the yellow jersey.  Thomas will drop away on the Tourmalet at the latest.  Nice to see him in "virtual yellow", though.

nicedommie wrote:
wouldnt be surprised to see voeckler to attack, just for the hell of it
 

That's why I like Voeckler!  Hope he can stay in yellow for another day or two or more, like the last time he wore it.

As for Contador, he is truly an amazing rider.  But he is tired from the Giro and he's had a bit of bad luck.  I think this is a Schleck's to lose.  And I almost hate to say it, but Evans looks strong enough to win it this year.
phildange

Why not Basso ? His best friend/manager just died, and he promised him to win le tour .
CapeRoadie

Why not Basso?

Hoogerland attacks!  Balls.
kathy

I think Basso is still feeling the after effects of the crash on Etna, and this virus he's supposed to have had earlier in the year.

I don't feel as confident about Berto this time, although he is very good at the mind games - much stronger mentally than Andy.  Of the Schlecks, Frank seems to be in better form.

As for Cadel - well, I'm afraid one of the high mountain stages witll catch him out again!
SlowRower

CapeRoadie wrote:
Why not Basso?


On balance, based on the last year and given his age, one could reasonably conclude that Basso's best days are behind him.

He could, though, have been resting up after illness and the Giro last year and be raring to go!
billgull

Go! Johnny, Go!
Bartali

SlowRower wrote:
On balance, based on the last year and given his age, one could reasonably conclude that Basso's best days are behind him.


That'll be based on the year he stormed to victory in the Giro?   Shocked  Shocked
phildange

Chavanel wants to do one of his exploits for july 14th .
I hope Cavendish won't grab his team car as he did in the Giro .
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
On balance, based on the last year and given his age, one could reasonably conclude that Basso's best days are behind him.


That'll be based on the year he stormed to victory in the Giro?   Shocked  Shocked


I meant post-Giro 2010, rather than the last calendar year. Hence the subsequent reference to resting up from the Giro last year.

He was understandably sub-par in last year's Tour given his Giro excertions and has been ill a fair bit since if memory serves.

Apologies for any inadvertent anti-Basso sentiments. Smile
HuwB

Geraint almost comes a cropper!
HuwB

Crash carnage causes Kloden to get more hurt. Road rash shoulder.
Great save by Tommy V.
kathy

More carnage!

Kloden this time1
phildange

Kloden doesn't look good, physical and moral
Boogerd_Fan

Not exactly a great moral booster if you overcook the first proper descending corner in the high mountains. Can make for a very tricky next couple of hours both chasing back on, and fear factor for the rest of the descent!

Roman motivated for polka dots???

Schleck did well to avoid that one too (caught his backwheel).

Velits down in a separate incident too? maybe a puncture.

Loving the Tour in the high mountains!
phildange

Tourmalet starting . 4 guys in the breakaway, then Thomas/Gutierrez, about 1.30, then Chavanel/Kreuziger about 3.30, then the polka dot alone about 5, then the peloton about 7 .
Correction : Thomas/Gutierrez joined the breakawy .
kathy

Geraint back with front group, and Cav back in the peloton.

7'45" now though - can they go all the way?
HuwB

Ho ho ho, Voigt and Cancellara to reprise their: "Let us big guys drop all the contenders on the Tourmalet," routine. Rolling Eyes
smarauder68

I think the the remnants of the break will be caught in the final 5km...The Schlecks wanna test AC today.
Severo

phildange wrote:
Why not Basso ? His best friend/manager just died, and he promised him to win le tour .


Maybe I'm being very cynical, but does he promise to win a race for everyone who dies?
smarauder68

nice work by Velits...he's showing some grit in this tour...
Geraint

Gesink gone
HuwB

Goodbye Gesink. Sad
smarauder68

Gesink calls it quits...not litterally, but figuratively...
Geraint

No more Gesink about his condition  Very Happy
kathy

Favourites -1.

I think I picked him for young rider as well Evil or Very Mad
phildange

Gesink  is dead . Kreuziger nearly in the breakaway, Chavanel at 1 mn behind him .

@ Severo . I'd like Basso to do something that's all .
HuwB

LEOTARD drop Fuglsang. At least the choice of tactic is consistent.

SK: "Tony Martin can get a top 10"
5 minutes later................

Gee: the strong man of the break.

Who's ass is Levi hiding under?
phildange

Martin dropped although the peloton is not very fast ! HTC burnt him to help Cav .
Nuimbers 6,7,8 at the GT in the red .

Hoogerland and Gesink are said to be in the grupetto with Cav.
smarauder68

Thomas goes alone...great performance!
HuwB

Geraint Thomas riding away from the peloton, as well as Kreuziger.
Kloden hanging. Levi spotted towards the front.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Ho ho ho, Voigt and Cancellara to reprise their: "Let us big guys drop all the contenders on the Tourmalet," routine. Rolling Eyes


Fabian gone, but Voigt, the old man, the old vet, still there.  No one has attacked yet from the peloton.  Bunch of chicken shits.

Geraint will get the prize at the top maybe, maybe not.  Seems to be failing slightly.  Allez the Welsh guy.  French TV now making a distinction, calling him Gallois.  Took a while.
smarauder68

Amazingly, Thomas has recouped 30 seconds on the peleton in the last 3km after it appeared the peleton would make the catch before the top of the Tormalet.

Thomas might just do this!
HuwB

Roy pips Thomas, as Klodi goes bye bye.
phildange

J.Roy virtual polka dot
Biosphere

Resuming the discussion from the other day, Thomas shouldn't have surrendered those 3 minutes when Wiggins crashed.
phildange

Today many expected changes in the top 10 . LLS too is not well .
I agree too bad for Thomas . The Welsh shouldn't help the English .
Boogerd_Fan

I assume that Gesink puts all his eggs in stage glory on the Dutchman's climb next week Wink

surprised how easily dropped some of these guys were - considering it was only tempo from Voigt! Voigt! who split the pack.

Schleck looks nervous when that front wheel got changed.

Roman cooked it too much... going backwards.

I reckon Contador is playing games. He'll win. Sadly. From Evans, Sanchez and Schlecks.
kathy

Mr Harmon  has just KOD'd my FP by picking him!
phildange

The brother Schlecks are alone with Voigt, who will be dropped soon .
smarauder68

Sanchez doing his thing...can he sustain it?
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:
Resuming the discussion from the other day, Thomas shouldn't have surrendered those 3 minutes when Wiggins crashed.


Totally correct.  Yates should have told him and EBH to get moving.  Mistake.
smarauder68

Fontfroide wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Resuming the discussion from the other day, Thomas shouldn't have surrendered those 3 minutes when Wiggins crashed.


Totally correct.  Yates should have told him and EBH to get moving.  Mistake.


Thomas wouldn't have been allowed to get away this far and this long if he were closer to yellow...
Boogerd_Fan

why did they burn Voigt out and then just go to the back to watch Dertie? I never understand the SChlecks.

Nice to see Basso give the not to Szmyd... time for fireworks! He must be feeling good!
Severo

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
why did they burn Voigt out and then just go to the back to watch Dertie? I never understand the SChlecks.

Nice to see Basso give the not to Szmyd... time for fireworks! He must be feeling good!


The Schlecks will never be tactically astute.
mazda

Are TV and LLS still with the main group ?
CapeRoadie

Basso looks good, surprisingly.
cyclingtv

TV yes .. LLS don't think so..
CapeRoadie

SOMEBODY make a move.
cyclingtv

gilbert spat out of the back..
berck

CapeRoadie wrote:
SOMEBODY make a move.


A Schleck is waiting for Contador... Wink
CapeRoadie

Hope Alberto drops his chain.
cyclingtv

thomas spat out of the back too..

SS and JV doing well at  keeping away..

levi should give it a go if just to show he's got the guts..
berck

Seems they are extending their lead too
CapeRoadie

Courageous ride by Geraint Thomas today!
smarauder68

Can Sammy do it???
Boogerd_Fan

Samu needed this, just to get back in the race tho... i assume they're not too bothered with him getting a minute or so by the finish.

Gilbert - chapeau - altho today was quite unbelievable from him! Was his strategy to top 20 on the MTF to get some green points???? Good that he was the launch pad for Vandert's attack though.
smarauder68

I count 17 riders in the elite group....

If the attacks don't start before 3km, Sammy will hang on...
CapeRoadie

Pel O ton 1:17 back.
cyclingtv

bout friggin time..
Boogerd_Fan

LOL so here we go with the theatre of Schleck 1-2ing a bunch of favourites.
smarauder68

The attacks have been pretty weak...I think Sammy can hang on...
cyclingtv

the way they were marking each other..
agree with SM SS stays away..  go frank go..

tommy boy stays yellow..
CapeRoadie

TV keeps jaune!  Tommy D has a decent ride.  Contador doesn't have it.  Psychologically he is done.
smarauder68

YES!!!

Great ride by Sammy and Contador was indeed dropped...
Boogerd_Fan

didn't take long for the favourites to realize, don't bother with Frank... looks like he was caught in two minds, to go for it, or wait for them to regroup Very Happy

Dertie loses 13 seconds. I still don't buy it that he's struggling. Its a shame we didnt see if it was Basso, Evans or Schleck who distanced him. At least the 'brotherly' 1-2's might be a bit more fierce next time, now they know they can drop him. Rather than those tentative digs that we saw today.

Kudos to TV too.
berck

Contador lost time?
Boogerd_Fan

Distanced in the final 300-400m to the line. Final corner stuff.
cyclingtv

1. SANCHEZ Samuel 21 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 6h 01' 15"
2. VANENDERT Jelle 38 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 6h 01' 22" + 00' 07"
3. SCHLECK Frank 18 TEAM LEOPARD-TREK 6h 01' 25" + 00' 10"
4. BASSO Ivan 91 LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE 6h 01' 45" + 00' 30"
5. EVANS Cadel 141 BMC RACING TEAM 6h 01' 45" + 00' 30"
6. SCHLECK Andy 11 TEAM LEOPARD-TREK 6h 01' 45" + 00' 30"
7. CUNEGO Damiano 161 LAMPRE - ISD 6h 01' 50" + 00' 35"
8. CONTADOR Alberto 1 SAXO BANK SUNGARD 6h 01' 58" + 00' 43"
9. VOECKLER Thomas 181 TEAM EUROPCAR 6h 02' 05" + 00' 50"
10. ROLLAND Pierre 188 TEAM EUROPCAR 6h 02' 05" + 00' 50"


gc..
1. VOECKLER Thomas 181 TEAM EUROPCAR 51h 54' 44"
2. SCHLECK Frank 18 TEAM LEOPARD-TREK 51h 56' 33" + 01' 49"
3. EVANS Cadel 141 BMC RACING TEAM 51h 56' 50" + 02' 06"
4. SCHLECK Andy 11 TEAM LEOPARD-TREK 51h 57' 01" + 02' 17"
5. BASSO Ivan 91 LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE 51h 58' 00" + 03' 16"
6. CUNEGO Damiano 161 LAMPRE - ISD 51h 58' 06" + 03' 22"
7. CONTADOR Alberto 1 SAXO BANK SUNGARD 51h 58' 44" + 04' 00"
8. SANCHEZ Samuel 21 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 51h 58' 55" + 04' 11"
9. DANIELSON Tom 52 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 51h 59' 19" + 04' 35"
10. ROCHE Nicolas 101 AG2R LA MONDIALE 51h 59' 41" + 04' 57"
Severo

The best riders today were Szmyd, Rolland, Voeckler, Sanchez and Vanendert. I'm amazed by Rolland because I think it's a good chance he's clean and he was absolutely super today. He gets my ride of the day.
phildange

And don't forget Jeannesson, new white jersey .
smarauder68

smarauder68 wrote:
FP for Stage 12:

1)S.Sanchez.....
2)Basso....st
3)A.Schleck...st
4)Evans ...st
5)LL. Sanchez @26
6)Cunego @33
7)Contador @44
8)Kloeden @1:05
9)Leipheimer @1:05
10)Voekler @1:05

New GC after stage 12:

1)Voekler
2)LL Sanchez @ 50 sec
3)Evans @ 1:24
4)A.Schleck 1:33
5)Cunego @ 2:44

Contador's little fall and bruised knee gives him a built in excuse for not performing at his best...I suspect all the negative vibes surrounding his participation are playing havoc with him mentally and he'll wind up losing time...

I reckon Voekler can hang on to Yellow until Monday afternoon...


I was a little off on Contador...like 1 second... Shocked
smarauder68

Terrible day for Rabobank...

Top 2 riders both losing 17 minutes...OUCH Boogie!!!
Guiness

smarauder68 wrote:
Terrible day for Rabobank...

Top 2 riders both losing 17 minutes...OUCH Boogie!!!


OUCH
Guiness

SlowRower wrote:

Apologies for any inadvertent anti-Basso sentiments. Smile


yeah right Wink
HuwB

Had to wait until now to watch the last 10km. Sad
Hah! Lose Ardiden.
I bet the Smuckies and Cuddles are kicking themselves.
Could have killed Bad Knee Bertie off completely, but were too timid by far.
Reputations all, eh?

Phil Gilbert TDF winner 2012. Rolling Eyes

Oh and Ivan and Damiano are back! Smile
Guiness

Bet the Spaniards are delighted with Sánchez , Kathy? Though he is Contador's compatriot...
CapeRoadie

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
didn't take long for the favourites to realize, don't bother with Frank... looks like he was caught in two minds, to go for it, or wait for them to regroup Very Happy

Dertie loses 13 seconds. I still don't buy it that he's struggling. Its a shame we didnt see if it was Basso, Evans or Schleck who distanced him. At least the 'brotherly' 1-2's might be a bit more fierce next time, now they know they can drop him. Rather than those tentative digs that we saw today.

Kudos to TV too.


If Basso is climbing better than Contador this early, even if on the final push to Luz-Ardiden, how can you say Contador's not struggling?  He will be demoralized after today.  He doesn't have a team than can pull him up the climbs like the Schlecks do, either.  Basso, Evans and the Schlecks ALL distanced him, don't you think?
phildange

He's tired, injured maybe, he has no team, and this very year he lost time in a crash . Wow .
For the fun, I really would like to see him winning in spite of all, because I don't see many brilliant champs around there . But I'm afraid the Giro and le Tour are too much for Conti .
Ivan can you please me instead ?
smarauder68

I think its plain to see that Contador is NOT a contender this year.

He would need to take 2 minutes from 3 or 4 guys who show no difficulty in marking him.

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