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TDF Stage 10 - Aurillac to Carmaux 158 km 12 July

Stage 10 - Aurillac to Carmaux 158 km Tuesday 12 July











Quote:
JEAN-FRANÇOIS PESCHEUX’S ANALYSIS : A transition stage towards the Pyrenees

“As the race heads towards the Pyrenees, we will be heading through the Cévennes for two days. These stages are rolling, but lack any significant difficulty. But the heat can take a toll on the riders. The breakaway specialists will be dreaming of victory, as will the specialist sprinters, even though the latter are going to spend the whole day suffering because today’s route is not all flat. After the first rest day, those riders who have not had a good first week and think that they won’t have too many chances beyond this will be determined to show themselves. However, at the same time, the sprinters’ teams will not want to let them slip away. Consequently, we could well see this stage finish in a bunch sprint.”


GC

1. VOECKLER Thomas
2. SANCHEZ Luis-Leon + 01' 49"
3. EVANS Cadel       + 02' 26"
4. SCHLECK Frank   + 02' 29"
5. SCHLECK Andy         + 02' 37"
6. MARTIN Tony             + 02' 38"
7. VELITS Peter       + 02' 38"
8. KLÖDEN Andréas + 02' 43"
9. GILBERT Philippe   + 02' 55"
10. FUGLSANG Jakob   + 03' 08"

'Real GC'

2. SANCHEZ Luis-Leon + 01' 49"
3. EVANS Cadel       + 02' 26"
4. SCHLECK Frank   + 02' 29"
5. SCHLECK Andy   + 02' 37"
7. VELITS Peter       + 02' 38"
8. KLÖDEN Andréas + 02' 43"
11. BASSO Ivan       + 03' 36"
12. CUNEGO Damiano + 03' 37"
13. ROCHE Nicolas   + 03' 45"
14. DE WEERT Kevin + 03' 47"
15. GESINK Robert     + 04' 01"
16. CONTADOR Alberto + 04' 07"
17. DANIELSON Tom + 04' 22"
18. TAARAMAE Rein + 04' 52"
19. VANDE VELDE Christian   + 04' 53"
20. SANCHEZ Samuel + 05' 01"

Points

1. GILBERT Philippe 217 pts
2. ROJAS Jose Joaquin 172 pts
3. CAVENDISH Mark 153 pts
4. HUSHOVD Thor           137 pts
5. EVANS Cadel       135 pts
6. FEILLU Romain   99 pts
7. GREIPEL André         78 pts
8. FARRAR Tyler         76 pts
9. HINAULT Sébastien 60 pts
10. GALIMZYANOV Denis 55 pts

Mountains

1. HOOGERLAND Johnny         22 pts
2. VOECKLER Thomas             16 pts
3. VAN GARDEREN Tejay         5 pts
4. COSTA Rui Alberto               5 pts
5. CASAR Sandy                     5 pts
6. FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio 4 pts
7. ROUX Anthony                   3 pts
8. EVANS Cadel                       2 pts
9. GILBERT Philippe                 2 pts
10. RIBLON Christophe             2 pts

White

1. GESINK Robert
2. TAARAMAE Rein   + 00' 51"
3. JEANNESSON Arnold + 01' 20"
4. RUIJGH Rob       + 01' 42"
5. THOMAS Geraint + 01' 50"
6. COPPEL Jérôme           + 02' 34"
7. URAN Rigoberto           + 03' 19"
8. HAGEN Edvald Boasson   + 03' 44"
9. GAUTIER Cyril     + 05' 11"
10. ROLLAND Pierre         + 05' 19"

Withdrawn

Stage 9

207 POELS Wouter (NED) VACANSOLEIL-DCM withdrawls
192 BRUTT Pavel (RUS) KATUSHA TEAM withdrawls
61 VINOKOUROV Alexandre (KAZ) PRO TEAM ASTANA withdrawls
59 ZABRISKIE David (USA) TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO withdrawls
44 GARATE Juan Manuel (ESP) RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM non-starter
39 WILLEMS Frederik (BEL) OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO withdrawls
31 VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen (BEL) OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO withdrawls
26 TXURRUKA Amets (ESP) EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI withdrawls

Stage 8

86 INTXAUSTI Benat (ESP) MOVISTAR TEAM withdrawls
72 HORNER Christopher (USA) TEAM RADIOSHACK non-starter

Stage 7

136 PAURIOL Rémi (FRA) FDJ withdrawls
122 BOONEN Tom (BEL) QUICK STEP CYCLING TEAM withdrawls
111 WIGGINS Bradley (GBR) SKY PROCYCLING withdrawls

Stage 6

87 KIRYIENKA Vasil (BLR) MOVISTAR TEAM outside time limit
28 VELASCO Ivan (ESP) EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI non-starter

Stage 5

186 KERN Christophe (FRA) TEAM EUROPCAR withdrawls
71 BRAJKOVIC Janez (SLO) TEAM RADIOSHACK withdrawls

Stage 4

37 VAN DE WALLE Jurgen (BEL) OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO withdrawls
smarauder68

It's not looking good for Kloeden to start stage 10...his back is jacked up and he looked very sore getting into a team car after the stage on Sunday...
mazda

Looks like quite a fast last 37km or so (with a Cat 4 and a couple of other bumps chucked in for good measure).

White Jersey is quite close this year (with RK nowhere to be seen).[/code]
Boogerd_Fan

Roman's lost 40 minutes (so far).. not just because of Giro tiredness, but he's banged his wrist and cannot ride hard up climbs. Last 2 days have been murder for the chap.

I expect he'll be continuing tho, with some added pressure to get a stage in the Alps perhaps, now Vino has gone?

Altho i expect di Gregorio to try something to Luz-Ardiden, it is Bastille day after all.
hengispod

highly impressive ride from sanchez. early days, but out of the gc guys he is looking like a winner.
Geraint

Quote:
Can't help thinking that Armstrong had no major smashes in his tdf reign. Also during that time we never saw the carnage we saw today
someone mentioned earlier that the peloton has no leader.
Would LA's luck have anyhting to do with the fact that he totally controlled the peloton and that anyone riding like a tool was dealt with?
Or that any race officials driving like tools were dealt with?
Or any race organisers being tools were dealt with?


Very Happy   Very Happy
smarauder68

Too many bumps in stage for Cav's liking and therefore I think the break will stay away tomorrow.

I reckon the peleton will let 4 or 5 obscure domestiques get away and win by a healthy margain....8-10 minutes is my prediction.

I'm FP'ing the most likely contenders for a break tomorrow:

1)Roy, FDJ....Gotta have a frenchie in the break and he looked rather spritely early in the tour.

2)Maxim Iglinsky, Astana....With the boss man in the hospital, look for someone from Astana to get  into a break. I seem to recall Iglinsky winning a stage 2 years ago.

3)Riblon, AG2R....He's been in breaks before and is far enough down in GC that nobody would mind if he jets off the front.

4)GUTIERREZ José Ivan, Movistar....They've been an active team and already have 1 win to their credit...why not 2?

5)PINEAU Jérôme, Quickstep....He's been bold in the past and I'd be surprised if Quickstep doesn't send someone tomorrow.

6)Lang, Omega Pharma-Lotto....With a huge lead in the race for Green, Gilbert might want one of his teammates in a break to gobble up the points that could go to Rojas.

7)Chavanel, Quickstep....Maybe after a rest day, he's ready to chase glory?

8)IGNATYEV Mikhail, Katusha...I can't remember them getting in any breaks yet...They're due!

9)Egoi Martinez, Euskatel....The Basques usually get at lease one of their riders in obvious break days.

10)David Millar, Garmin...With Thor outta yellow, he may fancy the stage with rolling hills as his best and last shot to win a stage in this tour.

For those who like punting longshots, you can probably get 150-1 or better on any of the following.
Slapshot 3

Cav still in with a shout at green and his stage options are running out. Sprint Cav to win
smarauder68

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Cav still in with a shout at green and his stage options are running out. Sprint Cav to win


Those Cat 3 climbs looks too tough for Cav and I reckon he and Feillu and others will be dropped, losing 3 to 5 minutes per Cat 3 climb...No chance  he'll get back on the train in my opinion and if he does, the last 30 km of the stage are mostly downhill, making it difficult for the peleton to close a huge gap...
HuwB

Mmmm, I don't know. Depends on how they race.

•Km 62.5 - Côte de Figeac - 2.3 km climb to 6 % - Category 3
•Km 70.5 - Côte de Loupiac - 2.5 km climb to 4.1 % - Category 4
•Km 99.5 - Côte de Villefranche-de-Rouergue - 4.1 km climb to 5.9 % - Category 3
•Km 143.0 - Côte de Mirandol-Bourgnounac - 3.9 km climb to 4.1 % - Category 4

HTC take up the break chase early and Cav could be there at the finish.
Besides, the stage is only 158kms long.
He will certainly fancy that early sprint bonus, so the break has no more than 100kms to establish and maintain an unassailable lead.
Slapshot 3

smarauder68 wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
Cav still in with a shout at green and his stage options are running out. Sprint Cav to win


Those Cat 3 climbs looks too tough for Cav and I reckon he and Feillu and others will be dropped, losing 3 to 5 minutes per Cat 3 climb...No chance  he'll get back on the train in my opinion and if he does, the last 30 km of the stage are mostly downhill, making it difficult for the peleton to close a huge gap...


That's what we thought with the Cat 2 15ks from the sprint line a couple of years back...... Rolling Eyes
smarauder68

if Cav does  manage to  hang with the peleton, that only means that the peleton were taking it easy, allowing a massive gap to open up...Either way, Cav is pretty much without hope tomorrow.
HuwB

smarauder68 wrote:
if Cav does  manage to  hang with the peleton, that only means that the peleton were taking it easy, allowing a massive gap to open up...Either way, Cav is pretty much without hope tomorrow.


Another way to look at it is that the break will need to take somewhere around 6 to 8 minutes (minimum) out of Cav's HTC tempo peloton, over the first 3 climbs.
That's roughly a minute per km. For roulers, on modest gradients, that's a tough ask.
HuwB

This is very handy:
http://sites.cyclingthealps.com/worldtour/tour-de-france-2011

Click on any cote streetview map, such as:
http://www.cyclingthealps.com/#cote-de-loupiac-streetview

and you get the chance to a virtual ride up!
Just press play on the opening picture. Wink
MAILLOT JAUNE

Brilliant HuwB!!!! Just gotta watch out for any France 2/3 TV cars!!!!!!
HuwB

Radio Shacks woes continue.......and then there were 6:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/p...of-tour-de-france-kloden-to-start
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Mmmm, I don't know. Depends on how they race.

•Km 62.5 - Côte de Figeac - 2.3 km climb to 6 % - Category 3
•Km 70.5 - Côte de Loupiac - 2.5 km climb to 4.1 % - Category 4
•Km 99.5 - Côte de Villefranche-de-Rouergue - 4.1 km climb to 5.9 % - Category 3
•Km 143.0 - Côte de Mirandol-Bourgnounac - 3.9 km climb to 4.1 % - Category 4

HTC take up the break chase early and Cav could be there at the finish.
Besides, the stage is only 158kms long.
He will certainly fancy that early sprint bonus, so the break has no more than 100kms to establish and maintain an unassailable lead.


i find this an interesting point and to it that i add that maybe Omega Pharma-Lotto will work hard on the front to drop Cavendish in the hills and make it more difficult for him to come back after he gets dropped
smarauder68

Another crash for the usual suspects:

CRASH: And the Tour continues in the same vein with a big pile up in the bunch, this time involving Fabian Cancellara (Leopard Trek). Usual suspects Robert Gesink (Rabobank) and Levi Leipheimer (RadioShack) also hit the deck. Plus a few others...
smarauder68

The gap is lingering around 4 minutes...no word on Cav's status after the first 2 climbs...
phildange

Hello . Some news from our wild steppenwolf Vino. He suffered from a very complicated femur fracture and hé's been under surgery for over 3 hours in Paris .
He could be back on a bike within 6 months and said he might be back on the Tour next year .
I'll miss him, and Popovic too . Too many interesting riders out or injured now. I hope the big guns won't play their boring tactical game all along like last year . If they do, I wonder who will give us a bit of a show this time .
smarauder68

Gap down to 2:30....Looks like they will be caught at some point, but another 4 km climb looms just 15km before the finish...Speculation on Versus that Cav will not make that climb with the leaders and therefore HTC could be working for Goss....Movistar are expected to push the tempo on the final climb to eliminate Cav, so their man Rojas can go for the stage win.
phildange

49 km to go, gap at 1:40 . HTC in control . The best defense is attack .
kathy

Strange - France TV seem to have apologised to Hoogerland, but not to Flecha about the crash the other day. Shocked
Biosphere

I would say HTC are riding for the Green and therefore Cavendish in the first instance. Goss if it doesn't work out.
smarauder68

kathy wrote:
Strange - France TV seem to have apologised to Hoogerland, but not to Flecha about the crash the other day. Shocked


Might be because Sky is threatening legal action...They don't wanna admit guilt before it hits the courts...
smarauder68

HTC will wanna be careful not to catch the escapees too soon and allow counter-attacks on the final climb...If HTC is smart they'll leave the escapees dangling about 45 seconds up the road....
Biosphere

smarauder68 wrote:
kathy wrote:
Strange - France TV seem to have apologised to Hoogerland, but not to Flecha about the crash the other day. Shocked


Might be because Sky is threatening legal action...They don't wanna admit guilt before it hits the courts...


That crossed my mind, but it doesn't make sense cos the apology to Hoogerland does the same.
HuwB

They have already turned down the gas on the chase.
Unless half the peloton start kamikaze attacks on the little 4th cat, Cav and HTC will be there at the finish.
Difficult, twisty run in, though.
berck

I see 'Crash' Leipheimer went down again today. Is that like three consecutive stages now???
Biosphere

iPlayer is running today for those that want an alternative commentary

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_five_live_sports_extra
smarauder68

I see that Sky helped HTC on the front...I reckon the brittish team cut a deal with HTC to help Cav today...
phildange

Will Marcato try something alone in the last climb ?
phildange

Omega leading the peloton in the climb. HTC vanished .
HuwB

HTC making the rest do the work, with Martin up front?
mazda

Intriguing.

Good to see the yellow jersey attacking.
phildange

Martin doesn't work in front . Beautiful breakaway with TV in. Well played by Gilbert . Cav is in the peloton, not very far, but HTC couldn't resist .
mazda

Oh I don't know.
Surprised they haven't called Martin back to help Cav.

The one person they don't want ahead of him is Gilbert.
However Gilbert may tire himself out and not get any points if the break is caught.
gerry12ie

Hail Phil Gilbert!
phildange

Gilbert alone against the rest of the world . Suspense...
smarauder68

Gilbert on a suicide mission...he'll miss out on all points today...no chance he holds them off....
CapeRoadie

Love Gilbert.
phildange

I was playing with my dreams . Not again a HTC machine !
phildange

Gilbert's attack disorganized the HTC machine, forcing Cav to sprint from far, and What happened ?
CapeRoadie

Take that, Manx Missile.  Beat ya.
cyclingtv

cav left too soon whilst greipel got slingshot..
HuwB

Bit of a surprise, that.
mazda

So a win for OPL.
Did Gilbert get any points at all ?
Biosphere

Pleased for Greipel Very Happy So was it all a plan for Gilbert to wear out HTC before the counter punch?
smarauder68

Hated seeing Tony Martin in that group with Gilbert...smart by HTC, but soooooo infuriating when members of a break are there for reasons other than winning the stage.
Biosphere

smarauder68 wrote:
Hated seeing Tony Martin in that group with Gilbert...smart by HTC, but soooooo infuriating when members of a break are there for reasons other than winning the stage.


And yet you rate Leipheimer Wink  Laughing
gerry12ie

Cant wait to see this tonight, it looks like the 6 man OPL worked HTC over.  Hope Gilbert grabbed some points
mazda

Where did Contador finish.
He's not listed in first 80 odd riders.
phildange

Well that's how le Tour works .
i think Gilbert wanted to break HTC machine by any mean . Maybe he also dreamed for a while, but he keeps his green jersy anyway .
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
Where did Contador finish.
He's not listed in first 80 odd riders.


31st - Same time as Greipel.
phildange

gerry12ie wrote:
Cant wait to see this tonight, it looks like the 6 man OPL worked HTC over.  Hope Gilbert grabbed some points


Gilbert took 9 points today . He lost 35 points to Cav.
smarauder68

phildange wrote:
Well that's how le Tour works .
i think Gilbert wanted to break HTC machine by any mean . Maybe he also dreamed for a while, but he keeps his green jersy anyway .


He woulda been better off,  sitting behind the HTC train and getting 5th or 6th place....

Only 3 more chances for Cav to win stages...11, 15 and 21...If he can win 2 of those 3 and gobble up some intermediate sprint points, he just might pass Gilbert in Paris...Gilbert really hurt his chances today.

I think today's result means Gilbert will have to chase a stage victory in Gap next week.
phildange

smarauder68 wrote:
phildange wrote:
Well that's how le Tour works .
i think Gilbert wanted to break HTC machine by any mean . Maybe he also dreamed for a while, but he keeps his green jersy anyway .


He woulda been better off,  sitting behind the HTC train and getting 5th or 6th place....

Only 3 more chances for Cav to win stages...11, 15 and 21...If he can win 2 of those 3 and gobble up some intermediate sprint points, he just might pass Gilbert in Paris...Gilbert really hurt his chances today.

I think today's result means Gilbert will have to chase a stage victory in Gap next week.


Yes , I agree, but Gilbert had to try something because HTC collective tactics is too strong in a regular finish .
I would like to see the Manx in a weaker team though .
Beside that, I worry for Conti . His team isn't impressive at all .
HuwB

Most of the intermediate sprints look pretty Cav friendly, from now on, with a only couple of exceptions.
Nolte

phildange wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
phildange wrote:
Well that's how le Tour works .
i think Gilbert wanted to break HTC machine by any mean . Maybe he also dreamed for a while, but he keeps his green jersy anyway .


He woulda been better off,  sitting behind the HTC train and getting 5th or 6th place....

Only 3 more chances for Cav to win stages...11, 15 and 21...If he can win 2 of those 3 and gobble up some intermediate sprint points, he just might pass Gilbert in Paris...Gilbert really hurt his chances today.

I think today's result means Gilbert will have to chase a stage victory in Gap next week.


Yes , I agree, but Gilbert had to try something because HTC collective tactics is too strong in a regular finish .
I would like to see the Manx in a weaker team though .
Beside that, I worry for Conti . His team isn't impressive at all .


that's a real way to beat him. to wear down his team.
it was shown last year on the first thursday stage when hondo attacked at the end of the stage which set up Petacchi for the victory

good to see Greipl winning
Severo

Kreuziger finished in the Hoogerland group losing another 5:59.

What's happened to Ciolek's erm career? Was he on the juice as an under-23 and is now off of it?
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:
Pleased for Greipel Very Happy So was it all a plan for Gilbert to wear out HTC before the counter punch?


Looked like it to me too.  Nice plan, suited to the terrain, well executed.  Greipel will walk on fire for Gilbert now, so will the team.
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
mazda wrote:
Where did Contador finish.
He's not listed in first 80 odd riders.


31st - Same time as Greipel.

I'm sure when I looked 5 minutes after the race finished that Noval was listed 31st.
Did they swap bikes and so have the wrong transponders or whatever they use ?
Bartali

Just watching it now ... great to see yellow and green put the hammer down .... years since I've seen that!
gerry12ie

I think Cav might have underestimated the Gilbert 'tackle'!
MS

Severo wrote:
Kreuziger finished in the Hoogerland group losing another 5:59.

What's happened to Ciolek's erm career? Was he on the juice as an under-23 and is now off of it?


Ciolek needs to become a lead-out man for one of the better sprinters. Reunite him with Cav at Sky or something.

He also will never be the Classics guy some were predicting.

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