maffy
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TdF St20-Sat 26th July-Cérilly-Saint-Amand-Montrond 53km ITT
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...at last, the long flat ITT of our dreams. about time, too...
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kathy
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Bernard Eisel has taken over the mantle of Lanterne Rouge from van Sevenant. Will Wim be able to win it back in the TT? 
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HuwB
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They both will have to be careful not to miss the cut-off time. I can see them eyeballing eachother, 20 metres from the finish!  
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bbnaz
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Well this should be a great stage. A TT to determine not only the gc winner but also the lanterne rouge............
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maffy
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c'mon wim!
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Boogerd_Fan
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What will we do in the 4hrs between lanterne rouge and yellow jersey being decided.
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maffy
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we could all go out for a nice bike ride. fancy on or off road?
if it weren't for that pesky iker flores, wim would be making it four in glorious row. respect.
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Bartali
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What time do the top 10 set off? need to work off some junk food!
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smarauder68
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| HuwB wrote: | | They both will have to be careful not to miss the cut-off time. I can see them eyeballing eachother, 20 metres from the finish! |
Don't forget, either could always pull a puncture on the Champs on Sunday if needed...Should be an interesting battle..I think Wim wants it more.
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docpacey
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So Evans hasn't won a stage. Will he try for the stage win, or ease up a bit if he gets the time he needs?
I guess riding ahead of Sastre by what, 6 minutes or more, he won't really have the chance to be certain he's gained enough to win it.
I don't see him winning the stage though. CVV maybe, but not enough to get him onto the podium.
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shimouma
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I think Menchov's going to blitz this one.
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smarauder68
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FP for Stage 20:
1)Evans...........1:02:02
2)Menchov.......1:02:34
3)CVV.............1:02:45
4)Kirchen........1:03:10
5)Cancellara....1:03:11
6)Hincapie.......1:03:14
7)A.Schleck.....1:03:21
8)Millar............1:03:24
9)Schumacher...1:03:31
10)Valverde......1:03:39
11)Voigt...........1:03:44
12)Kreuziger....1:03:59
13)Nibali..........1:04:03
14)Sanchez......1:04:08
15)Sastre........1:04:10 (+2:08....he loses yellow by 34 secs)
29)F.Schleck....1:04:44
43)Kohl............1:05:22
145)Wim(No Gifts) Vansevenent....1:21:03
New GC after Stage 20:
1)Evans
2)Sastre........@34
3)Menchov.....@1:42
4)F.Schleck....@2:32
5)Kohl...........@3:19
6)CVV...........@3:50
7)Valverde....@5:38
8)Sanchez.....@6:24
9)Kirchen......@8:09
10)A.Schleck..@9:59
11)Efimkin......@10:21
12)Valjavec....@10:33
13)Kreuziger...@12:35
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shimouma
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Smarauder, just out of interest do you have some kind macro you use to work out your times?
Or is it simply, 'guesswork'?
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last km
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Its a figment of his "imagination" albeit a strange one at that 
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Bartali
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What time to the leaders set off?? I have chores to do, but don't want to miss the good bits!
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Fontfroide
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| Bartali wrote: | | What time to the leaders set off?? I have chores to do, but don't want to miss the good bits! |
Kreuziger will start at about 1550, Evans at 1671 and Sastre at 1626
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Fontfroide
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My picks, just intuitive, after studying the time gaps. I would have no idea of the times, but I have “reasons” and have added them.
1 Evans rides brilliantly
2 Sastre does OK
3 Menchov gains more than 1,06 on Kohl
4 Kohl loses less than three minutes on everyone and beats Frank
5 F Schleck beats Valverde by 4 minutes
6 Valverde beats Vande Velde by a minute
7 Sanchez beats everyone below him
8 Vande Velde loses a bit more than a minute on Valverde and Sanchez
9 Kirchen easily takes a minute on Valjevec and Efimkin
10 A Schleck gains two minutes on Valjevec and Efimkin
11 Kreuziger same except for less than a minute faster than Andy.
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KarenP
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Start times are listed here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/?id=startlist-second-TT
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Mysterion
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| smarauder68 wrote: | | HuwB wrote: | | They both will have to be careful not to miss the cut-off time. I can see them eyeballing eachother, 20 metres from the finish! |
Don't forget, either could always pull a puncture on the Champs on Sunday if needed...Should be an interesting battle..I think Wim wants it more. |
Looking good for Wim. He's lost 37 seconds to Eisel at the first time check. He's only 5 seconds out of LR.
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mr shifter
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Vande Velde 16.11 cet-----3.11pm..England
Menchov.......16.14...........3.14 "
Evans...........16.17...........3.17 "
Kohl.............16.20...........3.20 "
Schleck.........16.23..........3.23 "
Sastre...........16.26..........3.26pm..England
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Bartali
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Cheers all - especially Mr S. Yep - I hadn't thought about 'English' time! Time to squeeze in a little ride then back for the big boys!
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Boogerd_Fan
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Wonder if Eurosport has UK time on their schedule too, says Cycling should be on by now, they're still 2 programs away in reality though, watching crappy Athletics drrrrr grrr....
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70kmph
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After 36km of racing in stage 20, Wim Vansevenant has lost 4’27" to the best time so far (posted by Riblon of the AG2R team). The Belgian is thus back in the last place of the general classification and, if he doesn’t finish outside the time limit in today’s stage, he will become the first rider to claim the Lanterne Rouge three times at the Tour de France.
'At least I could set another record, three times the ’Lanterne Rouge’
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70kmph
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Cancellara 43" Faster Than Millar!
Cancellara’s time at the 18km mark is 21’30" - 43" better than what David Millar was able to do at the first check.
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Mrs John Murphy
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Who the fuck is the guy replacing Yates on ESUK? Listen you fucker if you can't pronounce the names right then fuck off. It is not Carlos Sash-tray you dick.
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HuwB
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No way Yates is going to turn up, on ESUK, with Gusev getting the Astana boot. There's only so much hypocracy that man can dish out.
Lucky for the rest that Cancellara is knackered from all his GC work.
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smarauder68
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| shimouma wrote: | Smarauder, just out of interest do you have some kind macro you use to work out your times?
Or is it simply, 'guesswork'? |
Mostly guesswork based on last year's 55km TT in Stage 20...I noticed that Cadel had a time of 1:04-something...Figured with 1.5 lesskm on a similar type TT, + knowing he can win, he can keep it in the low 1:02's...
Cancellara already 1 minute slower than I projected..Not sure if this course is tougher than I figured or he wasn't his best.
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HuwB
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Headwind, Sm. Most of the way...........
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mr shifter
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| Boogerd_Fan wrote: | | Wonder if Eurosport has UK time on their schedule too, says Cycling should be on by now, they're still 2 programs away in reality though, watching crappy Athletics drrrrr grrr.... |
I'm with Analog Eurosport through their German broadcast.
The Teletex still works and in German Language it gives CET.
The same thing, but with Teletex English Language the time given as GMT.
That means the first (CET) then minus 1hour for (BST) British Summer Time
The 2nd (GMT) is Plus 1 hour for BST.
What British Eurosport use only Tuck knows.
Why ESUK ???? is it because the Irish can't get it or something.
Go on I dare you.
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Boogerd_Fan
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Viewing ESCZ so you'd think they would show the ES CET schedule on their teletext!
Anyway - finally its come on... just in time for the action *dribble*
nm Canc going so far ahead of the other TT specialists, wtf is Schumi doing up there again (i thought he was only good at under 30km trials?)
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Bartali
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After two long attacks in the mountains too ....
Nothing against Evans, but this comentator is going to make me spew!
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Boogerd_Fan
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What gear is Evans spinning? he looks like faster cadence than most guys going through so far.
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70kmph
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Schumacher
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maffy
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uncommonly speedy
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HuwB
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Schumacher is the new Cancellara. I can see Chelsea Tinkoff reaching for that chequebook, for their new bullet-train.
Evans looking smooth............
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Bartali
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Ride like the wind Carlos!
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CapeRoadie
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Vande Velde is flying. Can he gain any time?
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Boogerd_Fan
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Did Menchov start today? Did they forget to put a motorbike crew with him? Where the heck is he? 
lol @ Kohl not losing time to Evans, Sastre is looking very smooth, but clearly in lower gears... can he keep a good rhythm going like this for 50k?
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CapeRoadie
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Quick question: if Sastre and Evans finish with the SAME TIME at the end of the day, what happens? A race into Paris?
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CapeRoadie
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Menchov 18:44 with 3 minutes to go to the first time check.
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CapeRoadie
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Kohl's left arm is scratched because he crashed on the way UP to the start ramp!
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Mysterion
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| CapeRoadie wrote: | | Quick question: if Sastre and Evans finish with the SAME TIME at the end of the day, what happens? A race into Paris? |
They fight for bonus seconds along the way. If they are still tied I think it comes down to finishing order. I think Cadel beats Carlos in a sprint. Don't see it being that close after today though.
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Boogerd_Fan
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Evans lost 16 secs to Menchov at checkpoint 1.
C'mon Menchov!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bartali
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Menchov is storming!
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Boogerd_Fan
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Kohl hasn't lost anytime in the first third, its going to become a 4-man race!
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70kmph
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Denis needs another 50sec
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eric_vv
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Remember that Menchov always starts faster then Evans. Evans is just a slow starter.
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HuwB
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Kohl 4 seconds up on Evans at the first check!
Millar on Sastre: Living in a different dimension called "Planet Carlos". 
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HuwB
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Bye-bye to the podium for Frankie. already lost a minute to the other 3. Only "wacky" Carlos to come.
The last 10 kms will decide it all.....
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Bartali
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Come on Carlos .. planet Carlos is a good place today!
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Boogerd_Fan
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only 8 seconds lost, this is Sastre's - great job!
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Bartali
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Fingers crossed!
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Mysterion
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| HuwB wrote: | Kohl 4 seconds up on Evans at the first check!
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Gerolsteiner is pulling out all the stops to attract a new sponsor.
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Bartali
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Pulling the stopper out of the juice bottle! 
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sheeponabike
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hmmm.....anyone else thinking maybe Kohl got a boost from his doctor?
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paperman
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Hmmmmmm I'm just thinking COME ON CARLOS!!!!!
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Bartali
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CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS!
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Mrs John Murphy
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DH in full blown Cadel loving mode.
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Bartali
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SCHLECKETTE HAS THE WHITE JERSEY!
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Bartali
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| Mrs John Murphy wrote: | | DH in full blown Cadel loving mode. |
Spew!
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Bartali
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CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS!
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paperman
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Some ride so far from Carlos.................fingers crossed
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CapeRoadie
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| Mysterion wrote: | | CapeRoadie wrote: | | Quick question: if Sastre and Evans finish with the SAME TIME at the end of the day, what happens? A race into Paris? |
They fight for bonus seconds along the way. If they are still tied I think it comes down to finishing order. I think Cadel beats Carlos in a sprint. Don't see it being that close after today though. |
Interesting. Not that close unless Carlos bonks the second half. Go CARLOS!
Venga Venga Venga!
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HuwB
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Game, set and match to Carlos.
Frankie is obviously missing his dad's re-charge.
Evans is always likely to throw in a bum ITT, just not when the stakes are so high. Seems all the CSC tempo riding has taken a toll of his legs.
Bernie Kohl riding the ITT of his life. Deserves that podium slot.
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annesn
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great ride by CVV!! go Carlos!!
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Bartali
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CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS!
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70kmph
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Sastre man good job
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Bartali
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"Another spanishman"? Come on Emma ... he's a Spaniard!
CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS!
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paperman
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Spanishman hehehehehe, nice emma nice!!!!!
Its Carlos in yellow. It has to be!!!!!!!!!!! CARLOS CARLOS CARLOS.
I feel a little sorry for Evans, his team were crap.
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redster73
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Poor ol Cadel...needs a better team if he's gonna win this thing in the future...another great ride from Carlos...
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Mysterion
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| redster73 wrote: | | Poor ol Cadel...needs a better team if he's gonna win this thing in the future...another great ride from Carlos... |
He could have had a better team but Lotto put them in the Giro.
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Boogerd_Fan
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Better team? like Tinkov Allstars?
btw Sastre deserved it for having the guts to go at the base of L'Alpe. He's done nothing stupid the rest of the Tour.
Evans was controlled/attacked throughout the mountains, and has nothing left to give.
Menchov was a plonker in the first week, and needs to get some balls in downhills.
CVV & Kohl were a surprise - both did very well considering their circumstances
Cant say that Riis is a crap DS now... he and CSC shepherded Sastre throughout 2.5 weeks of racing, and he unleashed hell on L'alpe.
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Bartali
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Can I just say ...
CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS!
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inputjoe
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Disappointing TT from Evans.
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70kmph
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Sastre won it on the Alpe !
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annesn
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CARLOS!!!!!!!!
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Bartali
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YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
Oh ye of little faith ... everyone looked at 2007 ITT ... no one looked at 2006 and 2005!
CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS! CARLOS!
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paperman
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Its Carlos I'm a happy camper now!!!!!!. Feel sorry for evans but sastre deserves this tour.
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kathy
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Carlos  
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HuwB
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The good thing about it is, no one can say Sastre turned in a phenomenal trial. (like somebody did, last year )
Rather, it was Cadel who couldn't quite deliver the goods. He'll be more disappointed by his own performance, I suspect.
Finally, after all these years, Bartali has been vindicated!
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Bartali
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| HuwB wrote: | | Finally, after all these years, Bartali has been vindicated! |
Harman just said sastre's not spectacular but solid ... he's forgotten about the Alpe already.
Agreed Huw. Sastre's ITT was exactly what we would expect - It's Evans who was 30-4 seconds slower than we would expect!
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sheeponabike
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Sastre makes a great TDF winner. Well done!
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redster73
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Great from Sastre...gotta feel for Evans and all his prima donna tantrums that'll haunt him...great ride from Kohl
Thought Evans had it fairly sewn up but maybe he was just hanging on for most of the racing and wasn't in as good a shape as he needed to be?
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Bartali
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Can't believe this idiot was questioning the strategy on stage 17? Did he really think F Schleck stood a chance in the ITT!
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annesn
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   CSC did a phenomenal job!! Well done!!
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Mrs John Murphy
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Evans when he is done punching people and through his testosterone rage will be asking 'why did we not retain Chris Horner?'
I am glad that the one rider who dared to attack has one and that this is not a victory for wheelsucking.
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Bartali
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Off to Waitrose to buy some Krug!
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cyclingtv
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1. SASTRE Carlos 84h 01' 00"
2. EVANS Cadel + 01' 05"
3. KOHL Bernhard + 01' 20"
4. MENCHOV Denis + 02' 00"
5. VANDEVELDE Christian + 03' 12"
6. SCHLECK Frank + 04' 28"
7. SANCHEZ Samuel + 06' 32"
8. KIRCHEN Kim + 07' 02"
9. VALVERDE Alejandro + 07' 26"
10. VALJAVEC Tadej +10' 12"
viva espania.. again
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annesn
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I still cannot believe Shuma stole the win!! What juice is he on!?
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cyclingtv
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mama's breast milk..
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paperman
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| cyclingtv wrote: | | mama's breast milk.. |
That must have been Roche (only makes sense if you're watching ES coverage)
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eric_vv
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The strongest man won the Tour.
The only one who should take a good look at himself is Menchov. Without his mistakes he would have been close.
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maffy
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yaaaaay carlos!
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crash48
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Bravo sastre you deserved it, and in the end of the day, it could not happen to a better person.
Big choke for Evans at the end of the day.
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paperman
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| eric_vv wrote: | The strongest man won the Tour.
The only one who should take a good look at himself is Menchov. Without his mistakes he would have been close. |
True and Evans needs to have a long hard look at his team. I think its safe enough to say Cadel evans will never win the tour de france. Thiis was his best shot. Pity Silence lotto couldn't make up their minds.
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Bartali
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Roche just said " Evan's was in there dominating following wheels".
I don't think he rode a bad Tour ... but he was well worked over by CSC.
Krug tastes good!
Where's Tex? Pretty quiet
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eric_vv
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| paperman wrote: |
True and Evans needs to have a long hard look at his team. I think its safe enough to say Cadel evans will never win the tour de france. Thiis was his best shot. Pity Silence lotto couldn't make up their minds. |
Future Tourcontenders
Contador
Soler
Uran
A. Schleck
Gesink
Dekker
Nibali
Ricco
+ whatever talent comes up in the next few years
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annesn
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Nothing against Evens, but I just cannot see him winning le Tour without attacking!! I wonder if CSC has Carlos as their win man all along. The Schleck bros were just smoke for distraction.
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kathy
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| Bartali wrote: | Roche just said " Evan's was in there dominating following wheels".
I don't think he rode a bad Tour ... but he was well worked over by CSC.
Krug tastes good!
Where's Tex? Pretty quiet |
Tex talking to himself on IM
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annesn
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| eric_vv wrote: | | paperman wrote: |
True and Evans needs to have a long hard look at his team. I think its safe enough to say Cadel evans will never win the tour de france. Thiis was his best shot. Pity Silence lotto couldn't make up their minds. |
Future Tourcontenders
Contador
Soler
Uran
A. Schleck
Gesink
Dekker
Nibali
Ricco
+ whatever talent comes up in the next few years |
Rico???????
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