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| Enchantress |
TDF - 2010Although we are all saturated from the constant excitement of the firecracker that was TDF '09 - how about a look at 2010?What will be the big stories coming into the 2010 tour? Will AC be the big favorite? Can anyone beat him? What team will AC be on? Will Roid Landis, the Chicken, or Vino play a role in TDF 2010? Can Wiggo be a real contender for a podium in 2010? Any riders of note having a positive test? |
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| Element12 |
I predict that next year each team will include a meteorologist. And on all flat stages with crosswinds the entire GC contingent will be grouped around Lance like Amgen salesmen. | ||||||
| Slapshot 3 |
where do I sign up |
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| Geraint |
TdF wasnt quite as exciting as it was hyped up because the best rider was on the best team and they controlled the race, something we havent missed in the last few years. Next year it should AC vs Suxobank vs Team America. I hope Roid and Basso are back to liven it up, couldnt care less about Chicken and Vino. Hard to say whether Wiggins will go better, this may have been his peak, unless he gets access to better medication. | ||||||
| Beasley |
Basso will be back, fitness/form depending.
He's committed to a Giro/Tour attempt next year. |
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| Bartali |
Thanks Beasley - that's good news! | ||||||
| mayofan |
basso rode a great giro for a guy whod been out for two years.
If hes not clean hes a great chance of beating AC next year. I think hes clean though. |
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| Element12 |
Team America. ha ha ha. North, South, Central????
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/mediaindex |
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| Enchantress |
Yes, I obviously forgot Ivan the terrible on that list for next years tour.
Will be interesting to see how he does in the Vuelta. If AC isn't there, then Basso has to be one of the favourites. Yet we still have the chicken, roid landis, and vino of course to include. That one photo which was posted of Vino & AC was interesting. Wonder if those two will ride together next year. |
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| Jackov |
I was really anticipating tdf 2005 so curious to see the battle royale of Ullrich, Basso, and Vino. But then a month (or was it a week?) before the start all three disappear and we were left to watch the 2nd tier.
With that in mind I won't pay too much attention until I'm forced to make my Fearless Predictions in my quest for Smaurader Cup. |
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| Nolte |
Re: TDF - 2010
the day after those are invited tot eh tour de france, prudhomme will be checked into his local asile aliéné |
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| Hommedesbois |
Just received an email questionnaire about the TdF.
Turns out it was Carrefour asking about sponsors and their visibilty. No section for criticism constructive or otherwise. I wanted to comment on parcours etc. Said I'm sympathetic to Carrefour because they are investing and TdF needs sponsors but looking at the list they have plenty. Not a lot to do with cycling, just commercial interests and visibility. Another 5 minutes of my life wasted on this circus. |
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| bianchigirl |
Carrefour took over Champion so pretty much got landed with TdF sponsorship rather than injecting new money - they've taken over most of the Champions but the few that remain still have the checkout girls in KoM t-shirts, bless.
TdF 2010 will start in Rotterdam? Definitely up north and visit the Normandy landing beaches, maybe include a northern Classics type stage and have some real fireworks in the Pyrenees - apparently. |
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| thunderthighs |
LANCE BABY WILL DOMINATE THE AIRWAVES...
contador will choke.. ye she will.. ciao |
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| mr shifter |
Stage 1.......Tom Boonen Perhaps a Finish around the Antwerpen Docks. ?? Stage 2 to Finish around the Dunkerque Docks perhaps ?? Seen some good racing there in the early 1990's with a Russian Team on the front and the whole field in single file. |
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| HuwB |
Just in from Steephill tv:
Four Mountaintop finish in Pyrenees for 2010? September 15 update: Paddy Sweeney of Velo Peloton Vacances cyclisme has sent some new 2010 Tour de France route rumours: "Stage finish on Col d’Aubisque on 21st July after crossing Peyresourde, Aspin, Tourmalet and Soulor. Tour crossed same mountains on 21st July 1910. The week will look something like this." 17 July: Rodez - Carcassonne 18 July: Carcassonne - Plateau de Beille 19 July: Foix- Bagnéres de Luchon - Super Bagnéres 20 July: Rest day 21 July: Bagnéres de Luchon - Col de Aubisque 22 July: Pau - La Pierre St Martin 23 July: Pau - Bordeaux 24 July: Bordeaux ITT 25 July: Paris "That's 4 mountain top finishes in the Pyrenees. Others still talking about Luz Ardiden and Col du Spandells and Argeles-Gazost. A lot of hotel bookings for 20, 21 , 22 in and around Pau." If you know more then let me know. Can we have another 4in the Alps, too? 
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| Slapshot 3 |
Just phoned the memsahib....she says no....bugger!!! I'd love to see Pharmstrong face if they flash that up on screen at the Tour Presentation in October........I sense a reevaluation |
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| bianchigirl |
More here http://paris.thover.com/story.php...2C+first+rumours+about+the+stages
The rumoured Pamplona -Arrette stage looks like a potential monster. Any word about the TTT? |
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| Slapshot 3 |
Some of the rumours are BRILLIANT
10th July Alps (confecture Chambery to La Toussuire) 11th St Pinerolo to include the Colle Delle Finestre 13th Cuneo to Alpe d'Huez ..wait for it( Colle Dello Agnello, Col D' Izoard, Col De Lauteret and Alpe D'huez...fan .... bloody .... tastic Finestre - 18.62 km, 1694m @ 9.1% STRADE BIANCHI Agnello - 22.4 1464 @ 6.5% Izoard - 15.9 1095 @ 6.9 Lauteret - 34.2 1312 @ 3.8% Alpe - 13.2 1071 8.1% 10.6% max If only If Only.....I can always dream |
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| Slapshot 3 |
Some of this stuff is firming up a bit....
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...ay-tackle-tourmalet-twice-in-2010
I think "Ya Beauty" covers it |
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| CapeRoadie |
What's the new drug? |
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| billgull |
http://www.velonews.com/article/9...-to-celebrate-pyrenean-centennial | ||||||
| bbnaz |
Would be awesome to see some cobbles in the race once again. | ||||||
| Bartali |
Only one ITT ... right at the end. That's more like it!
Could be an awesome Etape du Tour next year! |
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| kathy |
Thought one of the Tourmalet stages was a mountain TT? |
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| Fontfroide |
Rumour. J'ai confirmation de source officielle que l'Etape du tour Mondovelo se courra entre Pau et le Col du tourmalet le dimanche 18 juillet. Le 2eme jour de repos serait donc le 18 juillet. |
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| Bartali |
Awesome prospect FF!!
Kathy, there was speculation of a Tourmalet ITT, but not according to the latest link from Billgull's. |
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| MAILLOT JAUNE |
bump! | ||||||
| headwind |
http://www.steephill.tv/2010/tour-de-france/ | ||||||
| Mrs John Murphy |
Looks pretty blah to me. Especially the early mountains. Stand by for the Tour de Tedium. | ||||||
| kathy |
Coverage of the 'unveiling' on ES tomorrow at 12.00CET. | ||||||
| Bartali |
Well these would be massive days!!
21 July: Stage 17 Luchon - Pau (Peyresourde, Aspin, Tourmalet, Soulor & Aubisque) 22 July: Stage 18 Pau - Col du Tourmalet (Marie Blanque, Aubisque, Soulor, Bordéres, Tourmalet) |
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| Mrs John Murphy |
They are more likely to be damp squid days though with no action until the last 500 metres.
If you want exciting racing then don't bother with the TDF |
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| mr shifter |
Well by this time tomorrow we will know your stage 17 will be useless again as they will have regrouped on the flat run to PAU. Finish too far from the mountains and another pharmstrong control day. Prudhomme coming straight through Northen France as quick as is possible and I hope tomorrow we see at least another stage up North. Be Lucky....Remember Eurosport a 11 am London Time (BST for a couple of weeks more) |
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| Bartali |
I doubt it Mr S. Only about 6 miles flat and I don't see LA getting back with the leaders if he gets detatched going over Peyresourde, Aspin, Tourmalet, Soulor & Aubisque. |
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| mr shifter |
I thought more like 24/25 miles following the river and I'm sure I've seen this before. (I had trouble getting Martin Earley from my mind as it's usually a Start Town) WE all thought this year the Andora climb would sort things out and what did we get "How Dare you attack your team mates when we said this morning we would all ride TEMPO"....bollox, and good on yer AC. ! ! So my meaning about your possible stage 17 could be the big stick and a Simeoni type of control. ??? |
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| Me, a fan? |
I'll just be ecstatic if there's no triple-T's to skew the GC again. | ||||||
| MAILLOT JAUNE |
Tourmalet stage finish 4 days before the end of the Tour! | ||||||
| Slapshot 3 |
No feckin TTT and a Stage finish on the Tourmalet.....fantastic, Berto by about 8-10 minutes
P, July 3, Rotterdam - Rotterdam, 8km 1, July 4, Rotterdam - Bruxelles, 224km 2, July 5, Bruxelles - Spa, 192km 3, July 6, Wanze - Arenberg Porte du Hainaut, 207km PAVE!!!!! 4, July 7, Cambrai - Reims, 150km 5, July 8, Épernay - Montargis, 185km 6, July 9, Montargis - Gueugnon, 225km 7, July 10, Tournus - Station des Rousses, 161km 8, July 11, Station des Rousses - Morzine-Avoriaz, 189km MTF R, July 12, Morzine-Avoriaz 9, July 13, Morzine-Avoriaz - Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne, 204km 10, July 14, Chambéry - Gap, 179km 11, July 15, Sisteron - Bourg-lès-Valence, 180km 12, July 16, Bourg-de-Péage - Mende, 210km 13, July 17, Rodez - Revel, 195km 14, July 18, Revel - Ax-3 Domaines, 184km MTF 15, July 19, Pamiers - Bagnères-de-Luchon, 187km 16, July 20, Bagnères-de-Luchon - Pau, 196km R, July 21, Pau 17, July 22, Pau - Col du Tourmalet, 174km MTF 18, July 23, Salies-de-Béarn - Bordeaux, 190km 19, July 24, Bordeaux - Pauillac, 51km 20, July 25, Longjumeau - Paris Champs-Élysées, 105km |
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| maffy |
big map link 
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| mr shifter |
I did say follow the river. Oh and I do hope the young guns can blow the brains out of the old fella, Here 
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| Bartali |
Cheers Maffy!!!! | ||||||
| maffy |
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| Slapshot 3 |
Gets better by the post...cheers Maffy |
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| mr shifter |
OK, so on the way through he gives us 13.2 Km's of Pave in 7 sections. That will do nicely. 
Edit, A further thought here about Wiggins and his ability to ride the pave has lead me to wonder about the extra mountains for him. A return to ride the Colombiere but to then continue over the jolly old Madeleine. A favorite of mine from long ago. (saddlebags) Be Lucky |
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| Bartali |
I'm not sure how moch is 'flat' and how much is downhill? From memory there is a long long down hill - but I've never ridden all the way to Pau. Much though I am a fan of MTFs, it hasn't escaped me that the stage that did the damage this year was a tough climbing stage without a MTF. |
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| kathy |
There are two different ways they could go, aren't there? I've travelled alongside the river (in a car), and it seemed to be pan flat for miles. That's the direct route which I assume they'll be taking - will have to look at the map. | ||||||
| HuwB |
Maffy's cardiograph certainly makes it look a more interesting prospect.
Will borrow that, if I may. Certainly better than last year. Hope the pave ain't wet and we end up with a lucky lotto.....given one guy has always had all the luck. |
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| Nolte |
it's interesting that the two rest days don't include transfers which is good for the riders
it looks overall a good route on paper. let's hope it's a good route on tarmac 
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| Mrs John Murphy |
We can safely say that Wiggins is fucked. | ||||||
| headwind |
that pretty much sums it up. so happy that dreaful ttt is gone. and only 59 km of tt. its gonna be a potentially good one... |
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| Me, a fan? |
Yes, I was very happy when I saw this: Team Time Trial: 0 km |
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| Slapshot 3 |
More I look at it the more I like it, that stage into Mende could be a blinder, was last time. | ||||||
| HuwB |
More GC contender time won or lost there, (10s of seconds) than over the 4 big cols to Pau. Of that, I'm sure. |
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| mazda |
I liked Contador's comments, saying about whatever team he has next year will be riding for him and he won't have to ask permission to attack.
I guess he didn't really enjoy having a whole year of Bruyneels tactics. |
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| Me, a fan? |
I'm not sure why Sastre isn't beaming with joy:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/s...-tour-is-spectacular-for-climbers I still think Contador will be unbeatable, especially in this version, but Andy will have his best opportunity in '10. Heck, it's likely to be Contador, Schleck, Schleck on the podium. The old man will have a tough time. You heard it here first. 
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| Nolte |
he didn't get any of the free wine and food they give at these presentations? |
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| Me, a fan? |
Maybe some free food and wine would have helped sway his opinion to do the most suitable TDF route for a climber/crappy TT'er that there's been for quite some time. As it is right now, he says he's undecided about what races he wants to do next year. |
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| HuwB |
Pre Tour, I know, but the 2010 Dauphine is going where the Tour itself should.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2010-dauphine-to-visit-lalpe-dhuez |
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| kellyrocheearly |
I love this route, only one long TT, no Team TT, cobbles and plenty of mountains.
Contador Vs. Schleck again and it will be closer with only one TT for Schleck to worry about. My dark horse would be Gesink |
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| Ralphnorman |
I would like to have seen another TT put in. Not a long one, maybe 25kms or so to try and keep some of the better TT'ers in the frame. I reckon it's a bit biased towards the climbers (not a bad thing) but I think it could be more open. | ||||||
| Biosphere |
Why not just hand it to Contador and get it over with 
The route is billed as giving Schleck a chance, even though there are as many ITT kms this year as last year. |
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| Me, a fan? |
cause then we'd miss Lance's sick media show. What fun would that be? at this point the only way as to not hand the race to Contador would be to leave out all mountains and keep the TT's under 5k total. |
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| Me, a fan? |
I'm afraid I'm going to have to eat my words. The Giro actually managed to become a more pure-climber friendly race than the Tour in '10. No Bertie as a huge bonus, I can see Carlos playing for all the marbles in the Giro. I had to edit my post. Major brain fart, forgot Sastre is no longer on Saxo.  Especially bad since I got his autograph at the TOC this year.
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| MAILLOT JAUNE |
Is anyone planning on going to see the Grand Depart in Rotterdam and are you planning/tried booking a VIP package?
Normally, all the ASO accredited Tour operators, like SportsToursInternational (Graham Baxter)/CustomGetAways/Bikestyle Tours all sell a VIP package for the start, however no one seems to be doing it and the only things I've found are for booking a table for 10 people for 3700 euros or a room for 50 people for 18,000 euros. It all seeems extremly geared towards corporate hospitality. I'm quite annoyed as I thought this would be so easy, considering, I live in the Netherlands!!!!!!!!!!! Boogerdfan, any ideas - and no, I don't want one of those illegal VIP tickets that are supposedly kicking around. |
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| kathy |
Good news for Nolte (I can foresee FP's galore). Jouquín Rodríguez has announced that next year he will ride the Tour for the first time in his career. He will be looking for stage wins.
That's assuming Katusha get an invite, of course
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| 70kmph |
The fight for the green jersey should be fun | ||||||
| Boogerd_Fan |
Just read this... I was @ the Giro start in Groningen in '02 but that was only as regular spectator - - wandering around the team trucks etc. Probably the tour has glitzed all that up as a paid-access-only privilege, but as i haven't lived in NL for 5 years i'd be a bit out of sorts with finding where to get some tickets. Whereabouts in Rotterdam is the grand depart? There is gonna be a heck of a lot of street furniture wherever they are riding to/from
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wicked! right slapbang in the city, maashaven was where i used to live
this route is just a dragstrip... erasmusbrug won't be a problem in the bigring cos going from south to north side of the river is with a cross-tailwind most of the time... wind blowing from L to R on the map. when i lived there the hillelaan part on that bend was hell on earth, cobbled, worn, and very dangerous when wet... wonder if they laid some new tarmac for the tour? Could also be trouble @ Wilehlminaplein where the road crosses a network of tram rails, could get rather bumpy/slippy. Oh and the zuidplein is quite open, if they utilize the area around the Ahoj building (large carpark) for the teambuses, then a looooot of spectators are going to fit around the start ramp/finish. The rest of the circuit isn't so open, very tight actually, roads split by various lanes or street furniture until it opens out around by the bridges. |
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| Bartali |
Thanks for the low down Boogie | ||||||