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Stage 7 TdF: Sat, July 7th: Tomblaine - Belles Filles 199km

This Is Going To Hurt

Jean-François Pescheux wrote:
Much has been said and written about this one. This stage is obviously making its Tour debut, since it starts from Tomblaine (the main town of the Meurthe-et-Moselle canton) and heads towards the only ski resort in the Haute-Saône, which the Tour has never visited before but where it may return if the course delivers on its promise. There is much more to the stage than just the finish, as the Col de la Grosse Pierre and the Col du Mont de Fourche make it a real leg breaker! The result? This stage is going to hurt. Then the best will duke it out on La Planche des Belles Filles. An 8.5% gradient with certain sections at 13%. A gruelling climb...








http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-france/previews-results/stage-07/
smarauder68

The day Cancellara loses yellow, but to whom?

Perpahs VanGarderen slips on yellow here?
Nolte

the first and penultimate mountain top finish.
personally i don't think the day is hard enough with 1 1 cat and 2 3 cat climbs
Boogerd_Fan

2nd that Nolte... although as the first major climb of the parcours, its sure to weed out a few fakers who could lose a minute or so if they lose touch.

i expect a mountain sprint of sorts, with some moves in the last few Km...

but I expect Lotto-Belisol to go hard from the 3rd cat climb and drive the pace high maybe with Leakygas help, as Nibs and JVDB have much to do on this stage to keep in contention.
HuwB

So, just to recap, yesterday's abandons:
Freire broken rib and punctured lung
Txurruka broken collar bone.
Poels, ruptures spleen and kidney.
Wynants, two broken ribs and a perforated lung.
Danielson, second shoulder seperation.
Mikel Astarloza, dislocated elbow.
Vigano, fractured clavicle.
Dupont, arm and vertebral fractures.

Today, so far:
Movistar Team down to only six riders

Erviti and Gutiérrez won't take the start.

Next...........
Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters
Hesjedal is not going to start. Sad, but he'll be back

Next...............
Hunter DNS
kathy

Antony Delaplace also abandoned yesterday
kathy

Luis Leon looking perkier today
Severo

Hopefully this tennis will be over before the bigger 'action' starts (although, if that is the case, it probably means Radwańska losing which won't please wifey too much)...
HuwB

I do like Alsace....

smarauder68

Coverage delayed stateside for halfpipe snowboarding re runs...WTF?

How far are they from the final climb?
kathy

They have 38k togo now,soabout 30k tothe climb
billgull

smarauder68 wrote:
Coverage delayed stateside for halfpipe snowboarding re runs...WTF?

How far are they from the final climb?


SCOTT!!!!

Today's coverage is on NBC NOT NBC Sports.
SAP

billgull wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Coverage delayed stateside for halfpipe snowboarding re runs...WTF?

How far are they from the final climb?


SCOTT!!!!

Today's coverage is on NBC NOT NBC Sports.


Yes, going big time with the network/broadcast station.  I think first time fans will tune in looking for more crashes as they've received lots of media coverage here.  Otherwise, it's a nice view of the French countryside so far. My travel porn. Hopefully something significant will happen on the road.
HuwB

Well, that's the break cooperation done with.
Some suffering already.

Kirby droning on with his Nibali hate, because he said something about beloved Brad, that wasn't complimentary.
kathy

Attacks starting from the break now
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Well, that's the break cooperation done with.
Some suffering already.

Kirby droning on with his Nibali hate, because he said something about beloved Brad, that wasn't complimentary.


Long interview in l'Equipe where the headline quote is that Nibali likes Evans and his team and thinks that Bradley is not up to it.  Nibali is not worried about anyone really, except Contador who he thinks is better than he is.  The rest, he can take them on.
kathy

VDB gets a bike from a teammate - and a helping hand from a Vacancsoleil rider
kathy

Valverde has a mechanical as well
kathy

Favourites are dropping like flies
gerry12ie

Not sure I like this UK Postal thing
HuwB

First climbing stage looking pretty GC definitive.
There is just about a podium left and that's it.
Menchov and Nibali plus the 2 big guns.
Geraint

Schleck SUCKS
Geraint

Menchov SUCKS
Geraint

Davai Wiggins!


400th post!!!!
Geraint

Frooom
Geraint

Schlock finishes a minute down
HuwB

Wow, just wow!
Can't believe Froome ate Evans.
So much for this not really doing much for the GC.

VDB, Scarpo loses 2 minutes.
Severo

Froom has a decent kick at the end eh? Like in the Vuelta when he took a lot of time back from Cobo at the end.

Stage win and yellow for Sky. Should be happy bunnies this evening.
gerry12ie

So that's the TDF over for another year
smarauder68

I was very impressed by Froome in the Vuelta. I'm not certain be couldn't win the tour if not for the puncture the other day.

I think our podium is already set.

1)Wiggins
2)Evans
3)Froome
Slapshot 3

If that's supposed to be the steepest finishing climb and Wiggo held on, it doesn't bode well for much in the way of excitement especially if he burns Cuddles in the TT come Monday......question is though can sky hang on for two weeks??

smarauder68 wrote:
I was very impressed by Froome in the Vuelta. I'm not certain be couldn't win the tour if not for the puncture the other day.

I think our podium is already set.

1)Wiggins
2)Evans
3)Froome


It wouldn't surprise me, they are probably the best three TT riders in GC contention, however there will be orders, I suspect, to ensure Wiggo remains the main man this time, unlike Spain last year
gerry12ie

Slapshot 3 wrote:
If that's supposed to be the steepest finishing climb and Wiggo held on, it doesn't bode well for much in the way of excitement especially if he burns Cuddles in the TT come Monday......question is though can sky hang on for two weeks??


Can a bear shit in the woods?
Boogerd_Fan

there is just 1 question left isnt there... will Wiggo crack before the end of week 3?

other than that it looks pretty decisive.

3rd place to be decided between Nibs, Froome and Taaramae.
Slapshot 3

gerry12ie wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
If that's supposed to be the steepest finishing climb and Wiggo held on, it doesn't bode well for much in the way of excitement especially if he burns Cuddles in the TT come Monday......question is though can sky hang on for two weeks??


Can a bear shit in the woods?


Depends on whether they brought enough Andrex to go around...;0) I expect they can but it's still a tall order.....you well mate??
maffy

froome vs evans steeply sprinting = effective but not pretty
Nolte

ouch, much more decisive than i expected with the 5 main challengers left being wiggles, froome, nibbles, evans and rein man taarraammee.

maybe garmin were a bit too optimistic working on the front.
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
Not sure I like this UK Postal thing


You and Laurent Jalabert.  He more like does not believe it than being opposed to the style.  I am not sure I remember three USP guys at the end of the stage, more like them in the valleys.  

I would like to know if you thought it was less exciting today.  I thought it was pretty good the last 8k or so.  I find the process of shelling out riders, one of the most exciting things in cycling, mixed with tragedy and suffering, as it is.  If it was only Bradley in front, shelling them out, would that be better?  Just curious.
Fontfroide

maffy wrote:
froome vs evans steeply sprinting = effective but not pretty


I never thought sprinting was pretty, except the stage Cav won, that was pretty.
maffy

smarauder68 wrote:
I was very impressed by Froome in the Vuelta. I'm not certain be couldn't win the tour if not for the puncture the other day.


vuelta got him a contract renewal. puncture got him the leeway to thrash wiggins in the itts again Wink
Fontfroide

smarauder68 wrote:
I was very impressed by Froome in the Vuelta. I'm not certain be couldn't win the tour if not for the puncture the other day.

I think our podium is already set.

1)Wiggins
2)Evans
3)Froome


The Tour is long, many things can happen.
smarauder68

Woulda been so much more interesting if Froome hadnt punctured. Believe he lost 1:25 that day.  Now down 1:32.

Im boycotting the yellow jersey ceremonies from this point forward....I can't bear to look at Wiggo's hideous sideburns. Did he lose a bet?
berck

Fontfroide wrote:

The Tour is long, many things can happen.


Wise words.
Severo

Menchov isn't that far behind to still podium. Will depend on how Taarmarae and Nibali do in the ITTs and how much time Froome can make up.
smarauder68

Based in the strength of Froome, we could be headed for a repeat of the 85 tour when Lemond had to defer to Hinault.

There will likely be a mountain stage where Froome waits for Wiggo.
Fontfroide

Without disagreeing deeply, as I don't know of course, I don't think this Tour is over at all.  Anyone can have a bad day.  Nevertheless it seems that  Sky and Evans can take on them all, although was that Nibali right behind?  And this Estonian lad, who knows what his limits are, he can climb and do a good TT.  Menchov, he is not going to trail along behind them all.  I don't see this giving up on the Tour even if Sky looks unbeatable.
HuwB

Evans now faces the task of taking on 2 riders for the GC, while Sky managed to place 4 riders in the top 12 or so.
He's out gunned all round, so he's going to have to ride very smart.

Great to see Nibs hanging in. Taaramae: What a ride and chapeau monsieur Roche.

I wonder whether VDB would have hung around, without that hard chase.

Can Cancellara rest the yellow back on Monday, from Wiggins?

Oh and the CN forums have blown up! Laughing
gerry12ie

The style of Sagan today!




That's right - today!!
Boogerd_Fan

Fontfroide wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Not sure I like this UK Postal thing


You and Laurent Jalabert.  He more like does not believe it than being opposed to the style.  I am not sure I remember three USP guys at the end of the stage, more like them in the valleys.  

I would like to know if you thought it was less exciting today.  I thought it was pretty good the last 8k or so.  I find the process of shelling out riders, one of the most exciting things in cycling, mixed with tragedy and suffering, as it is.  If it was only Bradley in front, shelling them out, would that be better?  Just curious.



i expected the sky train to be fully effective today - just not THAT effective Very Happy

why? because without any real major tests before the final climb, they could easily control it, and not have to ride too hard during the first 3hrs of the race. Will be different tomorrow - and in the days in teh Alps and Pyranees, where multiple long climbs should mean Wiggo is isolated barring Froome probably.

Big props to Nibs - he never once looked in trouble... and if his initial tactic today was ride hard and see where it got him, he's now established he's the best climber of the rest (whom he was fighting a podium spot for)... with that looking encouraging, maybe he can try to force some issues in the mountain stages to come?

USPS train was a bit too good to believe and in hindsight we know why. I hope that Sky haven't turned to the dark side to fulfill their 5 year plan.


Chavanel and a whole bunch of rouleurs outclimbing Gesink. What a big orange joke.
Boogerd_Fan

"We’ve really trained to the demands of this year’s Tour so one of the areas we’ve worked on was the steeper climbs. It was one of the areas I wasn’t comfortable with in the past. I had a lot of rehab to do last year after I broke my collarbone and one of the things that was flagged up in the Vuelta last year, that I had no upper body strength, especially on the side that I broke my collarbone on. It was something that I worked on in the gym and I really improved all my core strength and upper body strength. We’ve covered every area."


His dedication and commitment to a goal (seen in his Olympic track victories) cannot be faulted. Personally, I hope we don't get a revelation he's cheating, because the idea of continuously improving and developing the skills needed to perform as a Tour Champion, should ideally be reachable.. for someone who has a bit of talent and can sustain watts.
Fontfroide

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
"We’ve really trained to the demands of this year’s Tour so one of the areas we’ve worked on was the steeper climbs. It was one of the areas I wasn’t comfortable with in the past. I had a lot of rehab to do last year after I broke my collarbone and one of the things that was flagged up in the Vuelta last year, that I had no upper body strength, especially on the side that I broke my collarbone on. It was something that I worked on in the gym and I really improved all my core strength and upper body strength. We’ve covered every area."


His dedication and commitment to a goal (seen in his Olympic track victories) cannot be faulted. Personally, I hope we don't get a revelation he's cheating, because the idea of continuously improving and developing the skills needed to perform as a Tour Champion, should ideally be reachable.. for someone who has a bit of talent and can sustain watts.


Hiya BF
Who said this?  When?  Not clear to me as it is.
kathy

Sounds like Wiggins to me.

Personal opinion - I think Nibs has had his chips.  If he couldn't hang on to the first 3 in what was a relatively short climb (he looked like he was struggling at the end), then where is he going to take time out of them.  They're all better than him in the TT.
Severo

kathy wrote:
Sounds like Wiggins to me.

Personal opinion - I think Nibs has had his chips.  If he couldn't hang on to the first 3 in what was a relatively short climb (he looked like he was struggling at the end), then where is he going to take time out of them.  They're all better than him in the TT.


Some of these downhills? Although I think that the downhills are more likely to provide the opportunity for him to catch up rather than attack or consolidate an attack.
Severo

Small theory of mine is that Wiggins wasn't so confident. Sky would be in a better position vs BMC if Froome was also in contention - but as he needs to gain back around 1.30, he needed to attack a bit further out today to gain back as much as possible - even if at around the 800m mark he could have realistically taken 20 or 30s. Instead, he stuck with Wiggins to cover Evans.
Fontfroide

smarauder68 wrote:
Woulda been so much more interesting if Froome hadnt punctured. Believe he lost 1:25 that day.  Now down 1:32.

Im boycotting the yellow jersey ceremonies from this point forward....I can't bear to look at Wiggo's hideous sideburns. Did he lose a bet?


How do you like his haircut?  The guy has a very particular sense of style, some even say a lousy style.  Others are proud of him being as he is.  How about Vaughters' sidebeards?
Boogerd_Fan

sorry FF - yep that was Wiggo after the stage. FWIW i kind of believe he is clean, but i'm not sure what to make of the Sky train, suspending disbelief for now... but how can they take someone like M. Rogers and turn him into an uber-cliimber... for the last 10 years he's been one of the first to be shelled out the back!
ullrichfan

BF, you're points are reasonable and quite astute.  I have serious doubts about the Sky train, too.  However, when I broached this subject with you years ago about Rabobank's systematic doping you were quite angry with me.  I'm not trying to re-open old wounds BUT...

For what it's worth I backed Gesink to do well this year but he always seems to find a way to lose a GT before its started.  I've lost all patience with him.
Bartali

Missed the stage, but I've haven't believed Wiggins was clean since 2009 and last years Vuelta sealed the deal for me as far as Sky were concerned.  Tis a shame ... but experience leads me to only one conclusion and when things look too good to be true they usually are!!

And as for the "we identified a weakness and worked on it" remarks ... sounds just like LA's "I even train on xmas day" bullshit.  Do they really expect us to believe that they are the only ones who work on weaknesses or that weakness can be so easily turned around by a bit of work ....

Oh well ....
Boogerd_Fan

ullrichfan wrote:
BF, you're points are reasonable and quite astute.  I have serious doubts about the Sky train, too.  However, when I broached this subject with you years ago about Rabobank's systematic doping you were quite angry with me.  I'm not trying to re-open old wounds BUT...

For what it's worth I backed Gesink to do well this year but he always seems to find a way to lose a GT before its started.  I've lost all patience with him.



hehe well if you are pointing the finger at Rabobank 2012, i'd say they're proving what a clean team can achieve... sadly it ain't enough. It doesn't help when Gesink can't stay on his bike long enough to make an impact either Wink
Nolte

Bartali wrote:

And as for the "we identified a weakness and worked on it" remarks ... sounds just like LA's "I even train on xmas day" bullshit.  Do they really expect us to believe that they are the only ones who work on weaknesses or that weakness can be so easily turned around by a bit of work ....


it's interesting, i was reminded of those remarks of armstrongs recently when reading an interview with ivan basso in procycling

procycling wrote:
when he joined Discovery Channel in 2007, even Lance Armstrong told him to loosen up when Armstrong joined the team on a night out and he saw Basso fretting about the high jinks affecting the next day's training. Basso said later that he had learned his lesson and these days he has even been known to skip training on christmas day


i think that quotation runs contrary to the personal personae that some would have us believe on armstrong.
Bartali

That's an interesting quote Nolte ... not only does it run contrary to our perception of LA, but also the personae LA has promulgated ...

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