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Biosphere

Stage 20 TdF: Sun, Jul 22nd: Rambouillet - Paris 120km

Always Magnificent

wrote:
A little road stage, the shortest of the Tour (120 km). But it will no doubt be an apotheosis, with the traditional finish on the Champs-Élysées. Always the same, always magnificent since 1975. We already know more or less what will happen: a festive start in Rambouillet, two short hours before things really get going, and then a sudden, spectacular acceleration to mark the peloton’s arrival in the Parisian circuit. All of this before 1.5 billion TV viewers, nothing to sneeze at! For the rest, I do not think any brave riders will be able to slip under the radar of the sprinters' teams. On paper, Mark Cavendish can dream of a fourth straight win.








Not that I imagine we need any of the above planimetrical atimetrical data - we all know it by now Smile

http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-france/previews-results/stage-20/
gerry12ie

Thanks for three weeks stages Bio
HuwB

Eurosport open with 10 minutes of cringing embarrassment. Maurice Green trying to interview various riders, some of whom don't recognise him.
I'm glad Vince Nibs rides a bike better than he speaks English!

Nice shot of all the jersey wearers in line abreast, spoiled by that awful, red dalmatian look of Voeckler's.
Truly vomit educing.
Severo

I'm hoping that Phil Ligget will today announce his retirement, now that a Brit has won.
kathy

nce aqueduct!
HuwB

Stephen Roche has poured a fair amount of cold water on Harmon's celebrations. Smile
kathy

Talking to Sky Spanish mechanic.  They have a surprise for Brad!
Severo

It's soo boring before Paris. Not a good advert on ITV1...
cyclingtv

it's not saying much at this rate even I'd be off the front Razz
Severo

Sky might actually put on some effort for Cavendish today.
Fontfroide

MIGHT?  Absolutely certain.  They have been talking about it for several days.  Even I figured it out.  Around the corner in front.
kathy

Mechanics preparing yellow Pinarello bikes for mrs Wiggins and the kids
Severo

Long way out for Cavendish to go, but he held it. Goss caught a little, then fell away. Where was Greipel?
kathy

Greipel was about 7th
Severo

What were Lotto doing? Henderson finished in 6th, Greipel in 8th.
SAP

Tired of Sky.  Just shows what lots of money can do I guess.
Severo

Aren't Katusha a rich team?
HuwB

Sagan quite impressive, but too far off Cav's wheel to start.
Greipel seems to have run out of gas.
Thanks Andre. Embarassed
Fontfroide

Severo wrote:
Aren't Katusha a rich team?


Almost certainly the second richest, although BMC are also very well funded.  The data is usually around, but not in any of the mags I have.

They all have money, its capitalism for goodness sake.  the whole race is about advertising.
Fontfroide

The French translation of the English speech of Bradley, very much Bradley was adulterated.  Missed out his first joke, changed him mentioning his mum to mentioning his dad, and left out his warning not to get too drunk.  Really sad.
Boogerd_Fan

HuwB wrote:
Sagan quite impressive, but too far off Cav's wheel to start.
Greipel seems to have run out of gas.
Thanks Andre. Embarassed


Agreed - not sure what happened there, but he messed up the final 1.5km.. sprinted fine though - was fast coming up to Cav by the line - but needed to start where Goss started from. Not from even behind Griepel.
Fontfroide

Must watch the films, but I thought Sagan was on Cav's wheel halfway down the Rue de Rivoli, no idea how he got shoved off, or maybe he made a bad choice.  They do say getting around that corner first is pretty crucial.  Sagan clearly got around way back in the pack.

The kid is young.
TNG

He was in fifth in line coming round the last corner, third if you discount EBH and a Lotto lead-out man just ahead. He was really undone by not expecting Cav to go so early, plus the Lotto guy in front slowed up as he looked around to see where Greipel was. That immediately created an insurmountable gap....he did well to close some of that.
gerry12ie

inring summation of the Tour

http://inrng.com/2012/07/tour-de-france-winning-moment/

Hard to argue with it
Severo

Cavendish has won on the C-E each time for two reasons: 1) being in the right place 2) being the fastest. Others should have been able to get in a better place this year because Sky aren't as good lead-out for him as Highroad was - but they* failed. Big fuck up from Lotto really as Greipel really does look like he can challenge Cavendish.

*Excluding GreenEdge, because Goss isn't a real sprinter.
SAP

Fontfroide wrote:
The French translation of the English speech of Bradley, very much Bradley was adulterated.  Missed out his first joke, changed him mentioning his mum to mentioning his dad, and left out his warning not to get too drunk.  Really sad.


Inane in any language is still inane.  It wasn't his best speech.
Fontfroide

Try this one as a good interview, although part of some longer one I have not seen..

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour-de-france/stage-20/results

My point was not that his speech was poor.  Goodness, its the bloody Champs and he is just a cyclist.  It is that he said three things the French decided (with their time delay) not to translate for their TV audience.  So YOU may think is was boring or banal, and I may think so, but for somebody in France, controlling the translation, it was way too down home, way too normal.  He didn't thank anyone like his mother, his trainer, his teammates etc.  He was just a bit overwhelmed.  Hence the quite normal raffle joke.

And so should they all be.  He is going to be rich now, not a care in the world for him and his family, for example.  They already have horses to muck out, so it is not a bungalow he lives in.  The boy done well and was a little overwhelmed.  It must be an utterly HUGE reality he stepped into, not just a wee little unfolded truck in Castelnaudry.
SAP

FF, it was MY point that his speech was poor. He's done much better.  He had the big stage and didn't do as well as he did on the interview shown to me on NBC Sports just before he went up on the podium. That's all.  I wish him the best.  Be rich. Be happy. Be a great champ.  All the best Wiggo!
kathy

I thought the funniest bit was when Brad was interviewed by Maurice Greene after the race.  (Who on ES decided that was a good idea??).  Greene mentioned that it was the Olympics next week, and asked Brad if he was after the gold medal.  With a little touch of sarcasm, Brad said something like, 'Of course, but I've already got four of them!' Laughing
Boogerd_Fan

Yes, i thought it was rather funnny that Greene appeared from nowhere to give Tejay his final white jersey too.. RANDOM!
Biosphere

Can't believe he's not going to milk the post Tour crits. Where's the respect for cycling's traditions Wink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...dley-wiggins-childhood-dream-tour
KarenP

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Yes, i thought it was rather funnny that Greene appeared from nowhere to give Tejay his final white jersey too.. RANDOM!


Oh, THAT's who that guy is.  Phil Liggett clearly didn't know because he made no mention of him.  Why was he there?

Question about the Best Team competition:  Were Frank Schleck's times thrown out?

It was very nice seeing Jens up on the podium (and in the final break away once again).
Boogerd_Fan

I think it was Eurosport "breaking him in".. as he looked rather green at reporting... and he's anchoring their Olympics coverage starting Friday.
kathy

Thought it was funny when Greene tried to talk to Pinot, who obviously hadn't a clue who he was!
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
inring summation of the Tour

http://inrng.com/2012/07/tour-de-france-winning-moment/

Hard to argue with it


A very high quality blog I didn't know about before Huw cited it.

Merci. Huw.

I wonder whether we might try to figure out what our favourite info sites are, and blogs.  Hmmm.  A poll?  Some post from each of us?  Just a thought, I am not going to do anything about it for a bit, but it would be good to have a good list, maybe a total of ten.
kathy

Oh, and the really cringe-making moment was Lesley Garrett's vibrato-laden, and out-of-tune rendition of 'God Save the Queen' on the podium! Twisted Evil
mazda

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was awful.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
I wonder whether we might try to figure out what our favourite info sites are, and blogs.  Hmmm.  A poll?  Some post from each of us?  Just a thought, I am not going to do anything about it for a bit, but it would be good to have a good list, maybe a total of ten.


Well Huw's already pulled a good list together

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about3622.html

Should be plenty there to keep you busy as you figure out your 10 favourite Smile
gerry12ie

A few nuggets from the Telegraph:

A straight talking sporting hero. Can Bradley be the first step in eradicating the celebrity culture?

Mr. Wiggings timing is terrible, and an indication of how poor is the modern State education. Even I, as a  Scot, knows that this would have  bee much, much, more enjoyable if he had held off another three  years before winning the Tour. That would have fitted in rather nicely with the sexcentenary of  the Battle of Agincourt.

It is sad how the DT allows  readers to comment on this non-story of a man riding a bicycle, yet refuses  readers the opportunity to express their feelings  of anger at serious issues such as industrial-scale 'immigration', the corruption of  EU governance  and other serious topics of concern.

Nice to put one over the Frogs on their own Patch!  Next perhaps we will Exit from their Evil Club the EU? Well Done Bradley!!

To me this is a far greater achievement than getting a gold at the Olympics.
We've beaten the French at their own game, a historic win which should go down in history along with the Battle of Agincourt.

Well done by both Mr Wiggins and his team. The first Briton to win the Tour de France!  Well done indeed..... Now maybe the British media can stop using all those strange euphemisms they used before, like "First native English-speaker", to avoid the "I" word when Stephen Roche was at his peak.......?

Congratulations to all riders who competed,especially the Brits. Brad.,Mark ,David and all.
Delighted to see at the race finish the Union flag being waved by most of the  British people there.
Makes a pleasant change from the secularist and tribal small mindedness shown by rather a lot of  Scottish people who display the Saltire flag when a Scottish person is trying to achieve sporting success.

Bloody celebrities, bloody Scots, bloody Irish, bloody French, bloody immigrants, bloody Europe...


Very Happy  Very Happy
Fontfroide

I knew about this.  Even contributed a bit.  

But I meant that if someone has been following a news source or a blog for quite a while, and I am keenest on good blogs, then they could make a judgement.  They could actually say they think it is of the highest quality.  If Huw said one was really good, week on week, then I would take a look.  

Of course, I could also start following all the sites on the list for a few weeks each, and them make my own judgement.  This would leave me very little time for a life.   Wink
Biosphere

Well I like the Sports Scientists cos it fits in with my bias. Not just cycling though.
SlowRower

kathy wrote:
Oh, and the really cringe-making moment was Lesley Garrett's vibrato-laden, and out-of-tune rendition of 'God Save the Queen' on the podium! Twisted Evil


Wiggo didn't look impressed either...


KarenP

kathy wrote:
Oh, and the really cringe-making moment was Lesley Garrett's vibrato-laden, and out-of-tune rendition of 'God Save the Queen' on the podium! Twisted Evil


That was hideous!
Fontfroide

A blog on the victory of Brad and what it means to the pavement cyclist and British cycling.

http://thinkingaboutcycling.wordp...wiggins-and-the-pavement-cyclist/
KarenP

Will Brad be carrying the Union Jack for the opening ceremony of the Olympics?
gerry12ie

KarenP wrote:
Will Brad be carrying the Union Jack for the opening ceremony of the Olympics?


Depending on what you read he may appear swathed in ermine as Henry V with the head of the Dauphin stuck on a spike, during the Time Trial he may possibly pedal so fast that the centrifuge created in La Manche will sweep away the Channel Tunnel, he will then break the one hour record on his way to Dover to stick a final two fingers in the vague direction of Agincourt...

Or not.
SlowRower

KarenP wrote:
Will Brad be carrying the Union Jack for the opening ceremony of the Olympics?


Sir Chris will be carrying the flag. Wiggo unavailable for selection as racing the next morning.
HuwB

KarenP wrote:
Will Brad be carrying the Union Jack for the opening ceremony of the Olympics?


It's Friday night. He'll be in the pub. Razz
Biosphere

SlowRower wrote:
kathy wrote:
Oh, and the really cringe-making moment was Lesley Garrett's vibrato-laden, and out-of-tune rendition of 'God Save the Queen' on the podium! Twisted Evil


Wiggo didn't look impressed either...




I know I'm not very cultured, but it was one of the most appalling things I've heard in a long while . . .

I actually thought the opening line of the speech about reading the raffle numbers was very funny.
KarenP

Biosphere wrote:

I know I'm not very cultured, but it was one of the most appalling things I've heard in a long while . . .


Maybe all the good British singers are busy prepping for the opening ceremony of the Olympics?

And BTW, her Union Jack skirt was also hideous.
kathy

I think it was just a flag, Karen, which she wrapped round herself at the last moment!  You can see a glimpse of it, on the right in this clip (if you want to cringe, of course!)

http://www.steephill.tv/players/7...rance&id=48276696&yr=2012
MAILLOT JAUNE

Wow!!!!!! Just got back from Paris last night - what an amazing day on the Champs on Sunday - couldn't have gone better and loads of Champagne. Even managed to have a chat with Brailsford! However, I can't believe that Lesley Garrett is overshadowing Wiggins win.

From the Telegraph it says it was a Union Jack dress:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/9419067/Tour-de-France-2012-Even-Lesley-Garrett-cant-spoil-Bradley-Wiggins-celebrations-in-Paris.html

Plus I missed seeing the guy jumping onto the podium - he's lucky that Hinault didn't get his hands on him!!!!
KarenP

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:


Plus I missed seeing the guy jumping onto the podium - he's lucky that Hinault didn't get his hands on him!!!!


I missed it too … but in that photo it looks like Hinault was the one doing the pushing.

How lucky you are to have been on Les Champs!  Or even just in Paris. What did Brailsford say?
MAILLOT JAUNE

Can't quite remember as I was in such shock - basically just saying thanks as I congratulated him and the team.
SlowRower

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
...I congratulated him and the team.


Fanboy!  Very Happy
MAILLOT JAUNE

SlowRower wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
...I congratulated him and the team.


Fanboy!  Very Happy

I'll treat that remark with the contempt it deserves!!!!  Wink
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
inring summation of the Tour

http://inrng.com/2012/07/tour-de-france-winning-moment/

Hard to argue with it


A very high quality blog I didn't know about before Huw cited it.

Merci. Huw.

I wonder whether we might try to figure out what our favourite info sites are, and blogs.  Hmmm.  A poll?  Some post from each of us?  Just a thought, I am not going to do anything about it for a bit, but it would be good to have a good list, maybe a total of ten.


Well I've just been looking through Vroomen's blog and I thought of your question. You follow him?

http://gerard.cc/
MAILLOT JAUNE

The only blog I've been reading is Robert Millar's on CN.
(No offence ff)
kathy

Interesting little article about Brad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18959642
Boogerd_Fan

Biosphere wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
kathy wrote:
Oh, and the really cringe-making moment was Lesley Garrett's vibrato-laden, and out-of-tune rendition of 'God Save the Queen' on the podium! Twisted Evil


Wiggo didn't look impressed either...




I know I'm not very cultured, but it was one of the most appalling things I've heard in a long while . . .

I actually thought the opening line of the speech about reading the raffle numbers was very funny.


Wasn’t that just the French being French? I got the impression that instead of just playing the anthem on playback, they found a way to disrespect English winner by getting Lesley up there to sing it off-key and without backing music.
I don’t recall that happening for Bertie or Evans last year… maybe its cos their anthems have no lyrics!?
kathy

Advance Australia Fair has lyrics.  The Spanish National anthem is the only one in the world without (Good pub quiz question!)
Fontfroide

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
The only blog I've been reading is Robert Millar's on CN.
(No offence ff)


None taken.  Nearly the entire world, except maybe 100 people have even looked at my blog once.  Although I did notice that more than one person from this website does look at it.  They give you sources and frequencies, but not actual people.  I felt a small swelling of pride about that.  But I mostly do it for myself and old pals.  

I like Millar too.  He really is worth reading.  Wish he had a more regular one.
MAILLOT JAUNE

I have looked at your blog, it's just I've not had time to read it.

Yeah, wish Millar would do a regular column in one of the mags or on-line
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:

Well I've just been looking through Vroomen's blog and I thought of your question. You follow him?

http://gerard.cc/


Thank you.  I have subscribed, and no, I have never read it in my life.  Looks like a serious guy.
Fontfroide

Boogerd_Fan wrote:

I don’t recall that happening for Bertie or Evans last year… maybe its cos their anthems have no lyrics!?


I recall last year the woman who sang the Australian song.  Evans was quite impressed as she is apparently popular over there and he was a bit surprised she was there singing.  Unless my memory fails me, she just sang it as a song without backup.  I was not deeply impressed, but then she was a pop singer and didn't warble so much, and also didn't have such a silly dress.
Boogerd_Fan

Aha, sorry i couldnt remember that detail after 1 year.

At the time last Sunday i was thinking it was a French thing, to put a bit of spite into the whole thing (GB winner)
Fontfroide

There were and are "French things" which attempt to compensate for the jealousy they have over GB winning the race, when they can't.  For sure.  But not in this case.  They somehow think a cappella is they way to go on songs,when in fact, I think a little investment in a decent sound system would go well.  

In fact, I think they should let the winner choose the song.  I mean its not like any other rider on the team was really English.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
 In fact, I think they should let the winner choose the song.  I mean its not like any other rider on the team was really English.


Its not like Wiggins is really English either!!   Wink
Severo

Fontfroide wrote:
In fact, I think they should let the winner choose the song.


I actually said this the other day too and only half jokingly. Let's be honest, although there is a nations ranking, almost all riders are racing for a) themselves and b) their team, who pay them. This is anathema to Ligget who thinks every rider is representing a country. Perhaps it would be better of every team had to have an anthem, and failure to do so would result in a default of the G4S song Very Happy

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