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Biosphere

Stage 12 TdF: Fri, Jul 13th: S J Maurienne - Annonay 226km

Many Will Get Fidgety

Jean-Franįois Pescheux wrote:
Yet another strategic stage, one which could tip the balance in the points classification on its own. Why? Because we have adorned the first part of this long stage (226 km) with the Col de Grand Cucheron and the Col du Granier. The latter will be climbed on its most difficult side. A high pace will knock out the sprinters, favouring riders who are fast and capable of hanging onto the bunch on climbs. We will insist that time limits be applied strictly, so I bet many riders will get fidgety, and some of them will not forget the finish in Annonay any time soon...








http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-france/previews-results/stage-12/
HuwB

The alternative mountain stage.
I mean, wtf is this?
226 kms with 2 early climbs and a little bit of rolling stuff at the end; nothing in between.
Having had breaks succeed, three stages in a row, this can only end the same.
No relevant GC stage for the best part of a week.
Severo

This is one for people with designs upon the spotty jersey to attack early and take points, then give up. Breakaway types to stay away and probably win the stage. Nothing changed in GC.
Boogerd_Fan

I think if Nibs agrees it, Leaky will be controlling this one for Sagan.

There shouldn't be any interest from SKY here. No GC shakeup now until the Pyranees.
Biosphere

I wondered about Sagan for today, but thought he might be a bit tired after the last few days. We'll see.

In entertainment news, following on from the success of Footballer Wives, Sky have some new sporting wives program in development Wink

http://road.cc/content/news/61829...ain-tour-hots-up%E2%80%A6-twitter
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
I wondered about Sagan for today, but thought he might be a bit tired after the last few days. We'll see.

In entertainment news, following on from the success of Footballer Wives, Sky have some new sporting wives program in development Wink

http://road.cc/content/news/61829...ain-tour-hots-up%E2%80%A6-twitter


God bless the anti-social media...
SlowRower

I loved the comment about what Mrs LeMond and Madame Hinault might have Twittered in 1986.
Severo

DNFs include Moncoutie after a crash and Veelers after being left behind.
Biosphere

Something to read since nothing is happening today

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/b...jul/13/bradley-wiggins-dope-drugs
Severo

The responses to my reaction to that piece has kept me busy all afternoon :/
HuwB

It's like watching the plants grow at the side of the road.
The ASO should be up before the Hague on a charge of bore crimes.
smarauder68

I wish the tour utilized trains more to get from the Alps to the Pyrenees.

A transitional stage the day after a gripping mountain stage is like shagging Roseanne Barr the day after Angelina Jolie and Scarlett Johanson...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Fontfroide

One of my favourite riders, saw him win in Bezier.

Yes I know he doped.  I still like him.  I think he looks pretty on a bike and gives a bit more interesting interviews than your average cyclist.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Last kilometer - wonder if Evans will attack!  Wink
Biosphere

smarauder68 wrote:


A transitional stage the day after a gripping mountain stage is like shagging Roseanne Barr the day after Angelina Jolie and Scarlett Johanson...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Or as Roseanne would probably say, tis like SM the day after a threesome with Clooney and Pitt.
HuwB

Well done Millar. Saved it up for today and looked just about the strongest in an ideal finish for him.
Garmin do well to salvage even this, from their Tour horribilis.

Goss? Given the recent history of green jersey dqs, I'm not surprised he's stage toast.
Nolte

unsurprisingly the last man to finish today is christophe kern after the amount of work he did yesterday. finishing 11 minutes behind the peloton

just checked, now there is less riders left in the race this year compared to the amount who get to paris last year and the previous year.

millar was just too strong for jc peraud in the finish. shame i started looking forward to the brown font for peraud's name in celebration of an ag2r victory.

dissapointed about my pick, he was in the break when i went for my cycle and when i got home, he was nowhere. oh well.
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Well done Millar. Saved it up for today and looked just about the strongest in an ideal finish for him.
Garmin do well to salvage even this, from their Tour horribilis.

Goss? Given the recent history of green jersey dqs, I'm not surprised he's stage toast.


very hurting for goss, demoted to the back of the group he was in. luckily for goss, it was judged that he and sagan were the only people in the group but considering the closeness of the competition in recent years, the 4 point differential could be crucial. Smile
gerry12ie

Pleased for Millar (sshhh dont tell MJM) and Garmin but I bet its the last time the TDF lays out a parcours Anglaise Wink
kathy

Interesting today - was out to lunch in a Spanish bar, and saw part of the stage on TDP.  Then went to the home of friends who have Spanish TV and ITV 4 and watched a mixture.  Who are those idiots on ITV4?  Do you really have to put up with them every day?
Nolte

kathy wrote:
Interesting today - was out to lunch in a Spanish bar, and saw part of the stage on TDP.  Then went to the home of friends who have Spanish TV and ITV 4 and watched a mixture.  Who are those idiots on ITV4?  Do you really have to put up with them every day?


my second choice when eurosport go on ad breaks is tg4 Very Happy
they know what they are talking about, shame we don't.
maffy

and by golly, for a pay subscription telly service, they don't half go to ads with a relentless gleeful frequency. you'll be fluent in no time nolte.

gave up with es at break two yesterday, and went native for the dutch debacle.

i actually quite like ned, gary, chris and matt on itv4. don't tell anyone. i could live with the ads on a free channel, if they put the obvious muppetry problem out to pasture.

ooh, millar won. pennies from paddy.
Fontfroide

I cannot believe that the commissars thought that Goss and Sagan were in one group, and the other 36 in the peloton, were in "another group".  Therefore Goss only lost a few points, instead of practically losing any chance for the jersey.  I do believe he is a good sprinter.  I also think he can get over hills and ride long distances.  I also recognise that Sagan neatly avoided the blatant and illegal switch, and so was not injured and or killed.  I am sure goss is a nice guy and usually does not cheat.  Sagan is coming across as a remarkably calm and measured interviewer, with a playful side.  Not quite as brutal as the young Cav.  Like both these sprinters.

But he was not in a group of two he was in a group of 38 or so.  And he obviously without a shadow of a doubt cut off Sagan and prevented him from pedalling at a rather crucial stage of the sprint.  Its not like there were ten guys going for it with confusion and complexity.  It was just two guys sprinting and no one else even bothering.  He should have been busted to the back of the peloton and should also have lost any chance for the jersey.  

However, I am sure I can reconstruct the conversation in the decision room.  And in general, I am in favour of being a little flexible and soft in tricky situations.  But still ….
HuwB

FF: Goss was also docked 30 points, effectively ending the MV battle.
Boogerd_Fan

hi 5!!
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
FF: Goss was also docked 30 points, effectively ending the MV battle.


Probably, but a crash or something as simple as a puncture could prise it open again?
Boogerd_Fan

a lot depends on tomorrow and monday.

If Sagan/Goss are still within reach of each other going into the final weekend that'll be too close for comfort. Hopefully Sagan can finish off the job b4 the pyranees Smile
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
FF: Goss was also docked 30 points, effectively ending the MV battle.


Seems the obvious thing would be to dock him "not what he had", 13?  Why add another seventeen?  Is it just me that thinks this is strange and arbitrary and even a bit unfair to Goss.
TNG

Fontfroide wrote:
 Why add another seventeen?  Is it just me that thinks this is strange and arbitrary and even a bit unfair to Goss.


I thought so too, until I checked the rules. For a first offence, relegation to the end of the 'group', and loss of points equal to the amount awarded to the winner of the stage, i.e. 30.

Can't argue with that, I guess.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
I cannot believe that the commissars thought that Goss and Sagan were in one group . . . it was just two guys sprinting and no one else even bothering . . .


I think you answer yourself why it was classed as just a "group" comprised of Goss and Sagan. I think there also has to be a penalty in addition to the loss of what he won. At the speeds they're going at, they have to respect each other so I can see the need for them to be tough. That said it didn't look the most severe chop on TV now that I've seen the highlights.
CapeRoadie

David Millar rides a brilliant stage.  I believe his words crossing the finish line were:  "Fuck!  Yeah!"  Stupid move by Goss.  Of course, he's probably pissed that Sagan isn't riding clean.  He's ripped the same way Armstrong used to be at the start of the Tour.  Who are Ferrari's clients in Slovakia?
CapeRoadie

Liked this:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/...rance-tension-simmers-on-twitter/
Severo

maffy wrote:
i actually quite like ned, gary, chris and matt on itv4.


I do too. It's just a shame they don't do their own commentary and buy in the Sherwen and Ligget crap.

I still don't know who would make a good number 1 commentator.
Biosphere

Severo wrote:
maffy wrote:
i actually quite like ned, gary, chris and matt on itv4.


I do too. It's just a shame they don't do their own commentary and buy in the Sherwen and Ligget crap.

I still don't know who would make a good number 1 commentator.


I never met anyone who had a problem with the anchors, the punditry and the Boulting reports. I always quite enjoyed them myself. It's the two Ps that are the problem and it would be nice if ITV were brave enough to get rid of them.

I suppose you'd follow the example of the lead supported by the ex pro, so Boardman would be the candidate for the support role, so that puts Imlach into the driving seat?
Severo

The trick of the number 1 is surely someone with good grasp of other languages (French and Italian mainly) to keep up with race radio (and interviews), a good recognition of the riders and teams, and someone who is able to coax out nuggets from the ex-pro. Not to mention neutrality.

The support should be someone who can add some insight to why things are happening, and maybe keep things interesting when the race is boring.

I'd give Imlach a go - why not? I heard him commentating earlier this week when ITV4 went live earlier than Sherwen and Ligget were on and I think he'd be alright. Certainly not worse...
MAILLOT JAUNE

After reading Robert Millar's blogs on CN, I'm wondering if he would make a good commentator - he's got a great insight and tactical savvy. Not sure if he's tried it before and I know he's a bit "off the wall" but you never know???

However, to me Ligget is the voice of the Tour - I'd rather listen to him that try and decipher what the Dutch/Belgian commentators are going on about.
kathy

There just seems to be a dearth of decent English-speaking commentators.  The Spanish guys on both ES and TDP seem to be pretty good, very knowledgeable, but rather biassed!!  And although they do have pronunciation problems, they do try and find out the correct way - this Tour, we have been through Frommm, Frommey, Froomey, and finally Froome - but I don't know how he says it anyway!  One of them corrected the other yesterday, explaining that you should pronounce the final 'e' of Moncoutié.

I remember French commentators being pretty good on the whole as well, particularly the much-missed Laurent Fignon.
MAILLOT JAUNE

The Dutch / Belgian commentators are biased too, plus the actual TV coverage as you tend to get more interviews with Dutch/Belgian riders, but they also interview guys like van Garderen as he speaks pretty good Dutch and now and again an English speaking rider. I do remember them discussing how to pronounce Brice Feuillu's first name a few years ago.
mazda

Talking of commentators I like listening to Dan Lloyd on ES on the pre and post race shows.
Explains everything very well.
How echelons form, why Froome attacked the other day.

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