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Stage 11 TdF: Thu, Jul 12th: Albertville - L. Sybelles 148km

A Tough One

Jean-Franįois Pescheux wrote:
One of the shortest stages in the 99th edition. But riders beware, it is a tough one! The course is simple: after the first thirteen kilometres from Albertville, the peloton will be hard pressed to find a single inch of flat terrain! The cyclists will tackle La Madeleine, La Croix de Fer and Le Mollard one after the other before the final climb up La Toussuire. Let me tell you, the final podium will start to take shape on the finish line here! Those who falter in this stage will get no second chances. The winner will not be known yet, but the losers certainly will.











http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-france/previews-results/stage-11/
smarauder68

Expecting another huge breakaway with the KOM seekers and various domestiques.  All attempts by the GC contenders will be snuffed out and reeled back in by the Sky-Train. Then as the last of the escapees are caught inside the final 5km, Evans will make his move, only to be brought back by Froome and Wiggins...Then Froome goes alone over the final 1000m and wins by over 30 seconds on Evans, thereby snatching 2nd place. Wiggins to finish with Evans and Nibali.
Nolte

the last mountain top finish in the race Sad
HuwB

Nolte wrote:
the last mountain top finish in the race Sad


Hang on there, Nolte:



Looks suspiciously like a MTF to me. Wink

Glad they have the Col du Mollard. Technically tough and potentially an early starting spot for men in green.
Nolte

nah, KOM point comes 1k before finish  although the 2 meter rise in the final km could put people in trouble Very Happy
MAILLOT JAUNE

Cancellara quits the Tour for birth of second child or is he preparing for the Olympics?:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/18812586
Severo

The trouble with a stage like this is I don't know when to take the dog for a walk or do the washing up. After the Madeleine I guess.
HuwB

Utter chaos, so far.
A lot of riders are going to pay the price for the attempt to take Sky to the raggedy edge.
Boogerd_Fan

Rolland active... would this break worry SKY?

While Nibs/Evans/Menchov do nothing, they can't be too concerned?
smarauder68

Another huge break up the road....looks like 26 riders now including Scarponi, Valverde, Rolland, Horner and Leipheimer.  Nobody within 5 minutes dared to try tho.
Nolte

i'm all tingly, rolland is in the break away.
if you don't see a post from me again, the tingly feeling is not from rolland being in the break away Smile
Nolte

saxo bank - tinkoff - chris anker sorenson
liquigas - koren, basso (interesting)
astana - vinokourov, kiserlovski, kessiakoff
ag2r - riblon, kadri
garmin - dan "the man" martin
vacansoleil - johnny hoogerland
movistar - valverde, kiriyinka
radioshack - horner, leipheimer
trans europe express car - rolland, kern, malacarne
omega pharma - peter velits
orica green edge - weening
saur - brice fellu (is that the team strategy to infect the other riders in the race with whatever feillu has?)
rabobank - ten dam, kruiswijk
bmc - moinard
lampre - marzano, scarponi
katusha - trofimov

6 teams not represented - euskaltel (though izaguirre is briding up with bouet), sky, lotto, fdejeux, dundalk argos, cofidis)

lead group has 1:50 lead over peloton.
Boogerd_Fan

this 1-2 minute gap is good for Nibs.. he can escape on the descent and join this group on the Glandon.

in TdF dreams.
HuwB

Very attacking start has actually made the climb, slow.
Currently running behind the slowest schedule.
Too many cooks, sitting around, doing nothing but spoil the broth.

Mollema abandons.
Fontfroide

Nolte wrote:
i'm all tingly, rolland is in the break away.
if you don't see a post from me again, the tingly feeling is not from rolland being in the break away Smile


Mind you so is everyone and his cousin in the break.  Including Valverde, MY choice for the day.
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
Nolte wrote:
i'm all tingly, rolland is in the break away.
if you don't see a post from me again, the tingly feeling is not from rolland being in the break away Smile


Mind you so is everyone and his cousin in the break.  Including Valverde, MY choice for the day.


i think the only people who don't have their pick in the break is those who went for a gc contender for overall

velits and kessiakoff pushed pace over the top and have small gap over rolland and scarponi
Nolte

apologies, kern is from trans europe express car

seeing who i want to see do things while it may not neccessarily be them.
smarauder68

Hey Nolte, Is Leipheimer with Omega Lotto or RadioShack?
Nolte

some simpsons quotes:

- we're none of us perfect.
- let he who is without sin cast the first stone (got him, dad)
- doh
Nolte

a groupe sagan is the third group on the road.
interesting with basso and koren already up there.

we are 12km from the sprint point
Severo

Sagan Going for Green - or with Oss setting up to help Nibali later on?
HuwB

Vacansoleil having a touch of the PDMs.
Larsson 3rd abandon of the day.
smarauder68

Of the current escapees, Rolland, Scarponi and Vino would be my choices today. But I still think the pressure from the Peleton will bring them back.
Biosphere

IF I trust CN, Liquigas now have 4 men up the road. Support for Nibali for later on?
HuwB

Scarponi suffering off the back of the break.

Leaky certainly have Basso and Koren up there.......somewhere.
Severo

At last, some Cuddles.
Severo

15s. Sky down to four - Rogers, Porte, Wiggins and Froome.
smarauder68

BMC with a shot in the dark for Cadel.  I doubt it'll work. Will probably only serve to bring back the break and shell out more GC contenders.
Geraint

WHAT THE FK IS THIS??? Evans its not one km from the finish line. Why are you making an effort already?
smarauder68

Full credit to Evans...maybe his last real stand at defending his title.
Fontfroide

To win maybe, or try?
smarauder68

Teejay having to wait on Cadel...
smarauder68

Break over...Evans is toast...can't keep up with Teejay.
Geraint

Harmon: "Evans knows how to suffer"

Im expecting Harmon to start talking again about his "magnificent" thighs and calves next
Geraint

This stage is hot mess
Severo

Well the Evans attack did severely reduce the Wiggins group. Still three Skys to help Wiggins. CN says Basso is there with Nibali still? Plus van den Broek, Pinot and Brajkovic, alongside van Garderen and Evans.

Two Ps talking complete bullshit again. Oh, like every day.
Geraint

Severo wrote:
Well the Evans attack did severely reduce the Wiggins group. Still three Skys to help Wiggins. CN says Basso is there with Nibali still? Plus van den Broek, Pinot and Brajkovic, alongside van Garderen and Evans.

Two Ps talking complete bullshit again. Oh, like every day.



Typical Evans attack is over before anyone realised he had gone. Must have had someone yelling in his earpiece that they are not one km from the finish yet.

Im completely avoiding their bullshit this time. Forking tossers
Boogerd_Fan

nice try Evans.. but no dice...

Nibs saving himself for the tricky descent before the final climb...?

anyway what did we expect? I think its played out as much as we could've hoped - a dig from a favourite and guys like EBH/Knees used up early. There are still 2 climbs to go.
Fontfroide

Fontfroide wrote:
To win maybe, or try?


He could not even keep up with Tejay.  Our hopes for some serious attacks are fading.
Fontfroide

where is Menchov?
HuwB

Either Evans has been playing Lance 2001, or he is going to drop off the podium, today.

Menchov vanished.

RSNT re-appeared!
smarauder68

Rolland looks comfortable and primed for a huge win.
HuwB

Rolland down. Embarassed
smarauder68

Can the Peleton bring back 3 minutes? I guess it depends on who attacks and with what power. This stage is crying out for a long range attack on the final climb. Who will it be?

Pinot?

Nibali?

Evans?

VdB?
Severo

I think it depends less on how fast the Wiggins group or any attackers from it go and more on how much the front group slow down.
Boogerd_Fan

The Wiggo group is going to explode on the final climb - too long and lots of tired legs out there.

The only disappointment is the talk of the GC contenders has led to very limited damage to Sky's train... and thus, its likely Froomey and Wiggo are the ones who are going to blow it up in the final 5km.

Evans move not only told his true form... but also alerted Nibs that he doesn't need to attack - just consolidate for 3rd. Sad but true.
berck

Well, there goes my possible podium place with Menchov...
HuwB

Two "unbelievable" Europcar performances.
Every bit as spectacular as Sky's best domestiques.
berck

Well, Rogers and Porte are going to get burned out here soon...
smarauder68

No attacks! What a shitty stage and tour! Gutless mother fckers!
berck

Still a long hill SM. I suspect we may not see much until getting into the final 5k.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Two "unbelievable" Europcar performances.
Every bit as spectacular as Sky's best domestiques.


Thibaut doing quite well too, a suspect performance?

And what about this flock of Radioshacks?
berck

I wonder if RST is going to do anything. They have the largest group (4). I bet they wait for Porte to die out before making a move.
Severo

RadioShack aren't racing as a team, more a bunch of individuals, so don't expect to see anything.

Anyway Rolland going off up front, Pinot, Van den Broek and Brajkovic from the Wiggins group.
billgull

Finally! Things are starting to get interesting!
Severo

Nibs bang bang
Boogerd_Fan

a double attack... good riding Nibs.. let Froomey catch up and then hit him again

Work him over!! Nibs could do with getting up to JVDB and Brajkovic

/edit - YESSS!!! GO GO GO!
Severo

At last Froome is suffering. Nibali causing some damage.
Geraint

Wiggins takes over the Andy Schleck role. Allez Dysentery Channel!!
Boogerd_Fan

hahaha Froome gives up for now!

Worth noting this one is not a steep climb, and he probably prefers the harder stuff.
Fontfroide

Looks like we get ten k of serious racing.  Yippee.
Fontfroide

Geraint wrote:
Wiggins takes over the Andy Schleck role. Allez Dysentery Channel!!


?  Confused
smarauder68

Rolland looks good for the stage win. His gap is holding for now, despite the attacks.
Geraint

Evans is Going!!!!

Supporters of clean riding rejoice everywhere!!!
HuwB

Evans is toast.
Severo

Evans gapped by Wiggins/Froome/Schleck. Van Garderen sticking by him, but again could ride from him. How far us Nibs in front of Wiggins?
smarauder68

Evans should just tell Teejay to go ahead and keep his white...it's all over for Cadel.
Severo

Schleck being gapped by the Sky pair? Who themselves seem to be catching Nibs.
Geraint

Wait, Wiggins is not Andy, he's Franck Schleck. Froome is Andy
smarauder68

Once again Froome shows he's the strongest man in the tour.
Severo

Evans 1min behind.
Fontfroide

Geraint wrote:
Evans is Going!!!!

Supporters of clean riding rejoice everywhere!!!


You think Evans is doping too.  You really are excessive.  Is this all you can talk about?  Maybe save it for another 2k or so.
Fontfroide

Nice sprint for the young Frenchman.
smarauder68

I don't know how anyone can watch this and not acknowledge that Froome is strongest man, but apparently is contractually obligated to ride for Wiggo.  

Froome needs his Freedom!
kathy

Just got in in time to see last 5km.  Looks as if I missed some excitement!  Froome trying to prove his point - twice!
Geraint

Good day for Dysentery Channel taking the top two places. The Schlecks would have been proud of doing that. Imagine Franck and Andy on top of the podium, together.
smarauder68

Watching Froome slow down under orders from management was my least favorite part of this tour...it's 1985 all over again.

Imagine William Wallace bowing before the king...hard
to watch.
cyclingtv

well well well.. there for just a moment sure
did look like froome was the next little prince..
Geraint

Britiain might never win Wimbledon, but their riders are now the best!
Nolte

ROLLAND!!!!
i must say last night, i considered changing my pick for the stage, just like last thursday when i picked jj haedo, i did consider changing the picks both times. thankfully i didn't.

tough day for roche. finished 19th on the stage at 6'17. which is 4'20 down on wiggles, nibs, froome

good to see wiggles in trouble today. shame it was only when froome attacked.
good to see the two attacks from nibs. shame they couldn't be held.
Fontfroide

Suddenly everyone is doing a little number on the trainer after the Tour, who started that?   Rolling Eyes
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
Suddenly everyone is doing a little number on the trainer after the Tour, who started that?   Rolling Eyes


Wiggo by all accounts. Some newfangled theory from the trackies about warming down after an intense effort!
smarauder68

It looked like Froome could have taken 2 minutes from Wiggo if not for the team orders...Nobody can hang with Froome when he fires up the engines and takes off.  

What a damn shame Sky pre-determined Wiggins (The Natural Englishman) as their winner.

Let's hope Froome goes to BMC or Garmin for next season.
SlowRower

smarauder68 wrote:
Let's hope Froome goes to BMC or Garmin for next season.


My guess is that Froome will hang around at Sky as Wiggo's helper for the Tour and leader for one or other of the GTs each year until Wiggo retires.

As Wiggo is 32, Froome won't have to wait long, and then he will become a British sporting hero, described by the press as Wiggo's loyal lieutenant, now stepping into the shoes of The Great One. If he defects to another team now, he'll forever be the Kenyan Mercenary.

I'm a notoriously bad pundit, however. The waved chequebook in the off-season is always hard to resist.
smarauder68

Other observations from Stage 11:

Menchov nearly dropped a quarter of an hour(14:19) and falls from 5th to out of the top 10.

Leipheimer loses 23 more minutes...Not your father's Levi.

Radioshack look like they're going to run away with the team competition. 4 riders among the top 16 again today.


Taaramae drops 25 minutes and sees his hopes for White crash and burn.

Gesink loses 29 more minutes...Why is he continuing to embarrass himself?  Abandon already!
smarauder68

SlowRower wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Let's hope Froome goes to BMC or Garmin for next season.


My guess is that Froome will hang around at Sky as Wiggo's helper for the Tour and leader for one or other of the GTs each year until Wiggo retires.

As Wiggo is 32, Froome won't have to wait long, and then he will become a British sporting hero, described by the press as Wiggo's loyal lieutenant, now stepping into the shoes of The Great One. If he defects to another team now, he'll forever be the Kenyan Mercenary.

I'm a notoriously bad pundit, however. The waved chequebook in the off-season is always hard to resist.


If Froome has any sort of personal pride and competitiveness, he's gotta go to a new team for next season. He's in his prime now. No telling how long he stays in this form.
Fontfroide

No doubt a few things happened today, so much.  So many losers so many winners.  Damn good Tour already.
Fontfroide

smarauder68 wrote:
It looked like Froome could have taken 2 minutes from Wiggo if not for the team orders...Nobody can hang with Froome when he fires up the engines and takes off.  

What a damn shame Sky pre-determined Wiggins (The Natural Englishman) as their winner.

Let's hope Froome goes to BMC or Garmin for next season.


On the other hand he might be slightly grateful that Sky stuck by him while he recovered from illness and bad luck.  He is a good rider, but he might just be happy with winning one Tour a year.  He will be there for Cav at the Olympics.  With the other three riders.  Maybe he might win another stage if he is allowed.  I am sure his pay is a decent wage.  

But maybe money is all there is, and he might go for the money.  ON the other hand, how long will Wiggo last?  He is the totally obvious successor.
HuwB

smarauder68 wrote:
It looked like Froome could have taken 2 minutes from Wiggo if not for the team orders...Nobody can hang with Froome when he fires up the engines and takes off.  

What a damn shame Sky pre-determined Wiggins (The Natural Englishman) as their winner.

Let's hope Froome goes to BMC or Garmin for next season.


Sort of true.
Froome is caught a bit between a rock and a hard place.
He's under team orders and had the benefit of a fantastic armchair ride, behind EBH, Porte and Rogers: the team put together for Wiggins.

Even Hinault, when he attacked LeMond on Alpe d'Huez, was on the cusp of being the patron.

Today, to go against his designated "boss", Froome would have needed balls of armour plated steel...................or should I say ball, because for a moment there, I thought we had Lance attacking his team leader, Contador, on that windy stage 4, back in 2009. Razz

Fontfroide wrote:

On the other hand he might be slightly grateful that Sky stuck by him while he recovered from illness and bad luck.   I am sure his pay is a decent wage.  

But maybe money is all there is, and he might go for the money.  ON the other hand, how long will Wiggo last?  He is the totally obvious successor.


Exactly.
smarauder68

With Porte and Rogers setting tempo, Rolland was able to boost his lead from 2:00 up to 3:30 over Mollard...When Froome took over, it quickly went down :55 secs before the end and that was with Froome being held back by Wiggo...

If it were me, I'd ask Wiggins "how long do you plan to continue trying to win the tour de france"?

And if he says another couple of years, I'd be gone, no matter what Sky offer. Even if he said, 2013 is my last year, I'd be gone.

Why piss away your best years riding for someone who can't hold your jock?

Froome is clearly the strongest rider in this tour and. He looks like he could breakway whenever he damn well pleases. Wiggo might have a slight edge in time trialing, but who knows if Froome wasn't ordered to slow up in his final 10 km to allow the annointed one his glory?  Either way, I believe Froome could have put 10 minutes (cumlative) into Wiggins on any of these mountains stages if he wanted.
berck

Unfortunately for me, being at work, I ended up missing all the fireworks at the end. Sounded exciting!
Severo

smarauder68 wrote:
Wiggins (The Natural Englishman)


The one born on Ghent? Wink
smarauder68

Severo wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Wiggins (The Natural Englishman)


The one born on Ghent? Wink



It should have read "more" natural.
Boogerd_Fan

19th is still pretty decent - not many finished ahead of him!

SM - i just coughed up a little sick in my mouth at your Froome love in. The guy is clearly doped up the eyeballs - Might as well change his name to Christopher Ricco.


Menchov slips silently out of even the top 10! Losing the best part of 15 mins!
smarauder68

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
19th is still pretty decent - not many finished ahead of him!

SM - i just coughed up a little sick in my mouth at your Froome love in. The guy is clearly doped up the eyeballs - Might as well change his name to Christopher Ricco.


First off, who isn't doping????

Did you see his Vuelta performance last fall?  He's been the best in the world since last August.
Boogerd_Fan

Yes, in the Vuelta he was climbing like Ricco too.

He had absolutely ZERO pedigree in procycling. Never mind anything like mountain stages. You just don't miraculously turn into a world class climber overnight.

The only guy more suspect than Froomey.. is his team mate Michael Rogers... who has also randomly turned himself into a climber after 10 years of failing to climb anywhere near the lead group in any GT event.

Frustrating, but at least Wiggins looked human today. Shame his team isn't.
Severo

smarauder68 wrote:
Severo wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Wiggins (The Natural Englishman)


The one born on Ghent? Wink



It should have read "more" natural.


So the one with two British parents? Oh...
smarauder68

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Yes, in the Vuelta he was climbing like Ricco too.

He had absolutely ZERO pedigree in procycling. Never mind anything like mountain stages. You just don't miraculously turn into a world class climber overnight.

The only guy more suspect than Froomey.. is his team mate Michael Rogers... who has also randomly turned himself into a climber after 10 years of failing to climb anywhere near the lead group in any GT event.

Frustrating, but at least Wiggins looked human today. Shame his team isn't.


Answer my question....Who isn't doping?  

How do you know Sky didn't reinvent their training regimen to include more climbing? Better nutrition?  

Every time someone improves the masses shout "Doping" - Isn't it possible to improve with improvements made in one's training regimen?
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Yes, in the Vuelta he was climbing like Ricco too.

He had absolutely ZERO pedigree in procycling. Never mind anything like mountain stages. You just don't miraculously turn into a world class climber overnight.

The only guy more suspect than Froomey.. is his team mate Michael Rogers... who has also randomly turned himself into a climber after 10 years of failing to climb anywhere near the lead group in any GT event.

Frustrating, but at least Wiggins looked human today. Shame his team isn't.


Yes, it was an awful day for Rabo fans.
Boogerd_Fan

at least Mollema did the sensible thing. What Gesink is still doing in this race is another matter.

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