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| HuwB |
Shit Storm Coming: AFLD Start 2008 Tour Re-TestsMore sleepless nights for our fearless warriors of the road.http://translate.google.com/trans...mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DGaN Can't get the actual article to translate. Click on the cycling link at the bottom of the page, in the headlines. Pierre Bordry....the fearless anti-doping crusader. Meanwhile, Uncle Pat is looking after his investments. http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/E...sp%3FMenuID%3DMTYxNw%26LangId%3D1 Pat McQuaid...the fearless anti-doping double agent. |
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| Biosphere |
Re: Shit Storm Coming: AFLD Start 2008 Tour Re-Tests
This might work? http://translate.googleuserconten...LkJrhiexdXvsr3PCUxXE6P16l8Zmtx33w |
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| Enchantress |
Let's hope something semi-serious comes out of this.
Although unfortunately the biggest perpetrators, Contador, Dopestrong, etc, weren't in the 08 race. |
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| Me, a fan? |
No shit storm, fart gust at best. You know how it works here, it won't amount to anything.
Like somebody said before, he always manages to land on his feet. |
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| Biosphere |
A bit more info
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a...ting-of-2008-tour-doping-controls It is an old story though so I'm not sure what to make of it and why the delay in commencing the testing. Still they did say September and October in the original story. http://www.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUSTRE56P0HN20090726 |
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| HuwB |
Au contraire, the shit has hit the fan, big time. The Germans are even naming names, here:-
http://kurier.at/sport/1943917.php Excuse shit translation:- The scientists received meanwhile the blood samples and green light. According to COURIER investigation, large question marks stand therewith behind entire Top team. Moreover should itself under that as a noticeably marked drivers Kapazunder such as world champion Fabio Cancellara, who Luxemburger Kim Kirchen and Frank Schleck, that Slowene Tadej Valjavec as well as the Australian found Stuart O' Grady. Spicy detail at the edge: Fabio Cancellara had cursed after the cabbage admission especially loudly against the Austrian. Up to Bernhard cabbage all this Topfahrer challenge to be sure to have gedopt. Bernard Cabbage, KOMTDF! 
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| Mrs John Murphy |
The question is when/if the Teflon Tueton will ever go down. |
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| HuwB |
Googlespeaks translation....
http://translate.google.com/trans...&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Nah...he's signed up for the Shack's cloak of invisibilty. The Freiburg Phantom rides on! |
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| Mrs John Murphy |
Our old friend FC and the ever popular 'Stuey' being fingered.
One question - the 2009 samples - who has them? |
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| Biosphere |
Hopefully it's not one of the other potential translations that will turn out to be more suitable http://translate.google.co.uk/tra...-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wT# |
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| Bartali |
Whoops! My guess is that both Shreks will go down! Remember AdH? | ||||||
| HuwB |
Clever, Bio, very clever. 
Bordry won't touch Sastre, even if he potentially could. One FLandis is enough. Why not re-test the 2007 samples? After all, there's fair bit of evidence that the top boys there, weren't exactly spotless...... Same reason, I'd guess. |
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| kathy |
Hey, that's one of the few German words I know. I liked this one 'Berg King Coal' - any relative of Old King Cole?
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| Enchantress |
These kind of stories are always exciting at first - the thought that the sport coudl finally be cleaned up.
Then you quickly realize that the UCI & big business racket that is pro cycling isn't going to let any such thing happen. WHile they will probably sacrifice a handful of riders, maybe valverde, to give the impression of doing something - the rest of the riders will be untouched and the money making goes on. |
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| HuwB |
As Maffy suggests, bringing this over here.
Now, it's Gerdemann in the German media spotlight for "suspicious" values, back in '06. It never rains, but pours.... http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_59780.htm Now on cyclingnews. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gerdemann-denies-doping Apparently his haemoglobin varied between 14.2 and 17.2 g/litre for the first six months of 2006 according to documents from Freiburg University. |
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| Bartali |
You have to laugh ... the saintly Linus!
Is this the same Linus Harmon and the boys at ES are always saying what a 'clean' lad he is ... not like the 'evil' Vino? |
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| Enchantress |
YES, precisely. |
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| Runitout |
Is anyone surprised by any of this? Remember how angry Sinke was when Gerdemann started preaching to the press about betrayal; witness also his lecturing after his stage win at the 2007 Tour. Sinke railed at the hypocrisy of his former teammates. I simply have no idea who he might have been referring to. As for Cance - well, you don't visit Cecchini's house for the lamb roasts, imo. O'Grady is an old-school 90's rider. I'm sure his preparation hasn't altered too much since Heiko was coaching him.
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| Me, a fan? |
Exactly. In the real world all it takes are fingerprints, murder weapon, maybe a witness, or some other piece of evidence. But, in cycling, a bunch of bags of blood aren't nearly enough evidence to convict anybody.   Dang. I'm getting cynical about being cynical.
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| Biosphere |
Bordry has got a dumper truck parked over the fan
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/b...ew-products-were-used-at-the-tour And the UCI is disappointed http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/u...nti-doping-testing-on-french-soil Whilst AFLD are supposedly reporting the retest results on Wednesday The AFLD, which had sole responsibility for testing at the 2008 Tour, has also confirmed it will announce the results of 40 retests on last year's samples tomorrowon Wednesday morning. They are understood to have targeted suspicious riders. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...na-lance-armstrong-tour-de-france |
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| Enchantress |
So what do you all expect from tomorrow's news of the retests?
Will we have any positives at all? I'm guessing this would be a good way to make Valverde go away, maybe a few token others sacrificed for the money making to continue? |
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| Me, a fan? |
I don't think it matters. I'm sure there is some protocol that AFLD followed incorrectly so the results won't be admissable as any sort of usable evidence. There will possibly be a big list of offenders that only braindead people would believe are clean at this point, but they won't be punished just like Puerto. They've already caught their token Italian, Ricco. It's the same old script. Yes, my sport is a joke but for some reason I can't stay away from it. I'm a different type of junkie than the pro riders are. 
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| Me, a fan? |
Earlier today a thought crossed my mind about this whole mess: They carry on with the tests, they get the results of the tests (of course the top 90 are dirty), the issue 2 year suspensions to all the offenders, and next year we have the Lance vs. Alberto show for the tour as neither of them were there to donate their contaminated piss last year. I think the excitement would wear off quickly if this were the case... | ||||||
| HuwB |
Now Gerdemann faces the Milram music:-
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...ood-values-produce-mixed-opinions .....but not over Freiburg. |
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| The Lemondheads |
Realistically I don't expect much of a Scheißsturm tomorrow. We've been here before this time last year when we all had our fantasy banned lists from retests, Cancellara, Valjevec, Fränk and Andy. Most likely tomorrow is just official announcement that retests are underway. Best realistic case is a few more sacrifices. Valverde probably. Worst case things get more messy with the UCI and a bunch of riders end up banned from riding in France but not elsewhere. Since they can't get Contador then you have to assume that most of the Saxo boys are safe because they're the only one that can put up a fight in the Tour. O'Grady could be an easy victim. This time next year presumably we'll have the AICAR retests from Tour 2009. Schlecks and Wiggo can start shitting themselves now... |
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| Bartali |
Thing is ... Valverde may well have been clean in 2008??? I think 'Me a fan' has it pegged right. | ||||||
| Mrs John Murphy |
At the moment the sport is treading water when it comes to fighting doping. There are lots of people who think, (and want) to turn the clock back to 1996 or 1999, when the sport pretended to care about doping and the riders pretended to be clean.
The logic for this desire is clear - scandals are bad for business. But the problem is that you can't turn back the clock and at some point or other another scandal will break out. The UCI/Astana/Armstrong may be able to collude to stop in race testing, but the reality is that all of the big scandals have come about because the police have got involved (Festina, OP, Gotti etc). Now even if the UCI succeeds on sweeping it under the carpet it is only a matter of time before someone gets arrested with a shed load of drugs and blood, it is only a matter of time before a major name (rather than a no-name) dies suddenly in their sleep. McQuaid and the UCI might keep on trying to stuff the genie back into the bottle but it will come out and it will be far worse for cycling because of their current negligent and corrupt stance. Things will get a lot worse for cycling unless they start to take the issue of doping seriously. |
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| Enchantress |
This is what I expect also - at best a handful of riders, probably valverde, and a few others. No big names otherwise. As was mentioned above, they need a bit more fodder for next year's TDF than merely AC & LA. Finally, I can only speak for the perception of the sport here in america where I live. Suggest or even mention the word doping in many predominantly north american forums and it usually is quickly dispelled or regarded as something europeans do. In my interactions with many cyclists here, I get the sense that most still buy into the LA fantasy and adoration for his minions, even Tyler Hamilton of chimera-fame and others like LL. Didn't something along the lines of 3k-4k riders partake in LL's ride just this past weekend? I imagine or at least hope, cyclists are more skeptical in europe about the pro's. |
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| mr shifter |
The world over, people in their 20's and younger will be impressionable about pharmstrong. The USA and those above have not been around very long and 7 years ago they hadn't heard of the SOB except as a Cancer Survivor and since then the HYPE has grown out of all proportions. The small amount of TV I watch and see, phone this number or that to answer a stupid question or to vote for somebody on a show. I am convinced that I live in a world of Morons and the Texan came out of retirement to play to that Audience for Financial Gain. 
Be Lucky 
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| HuwB |
I wonder if this will register with same fans?
Shows how deep rooted the problem is and this is on home turf. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...ts-two-year-suspension-for-doping |
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| Enchantress |
If you agree with this post, send text to +11.282.8921 If you do not agree with this post, send text to +11.288.9900... 
LOL - hilarious comment but all too true about motives, naivety, and passivity among much of the populace.
I doubt those fans are even remotely aware of anything other than TDF, Dopestrong, and LL. Oh and they probably hate Contador, but that's about it. That a 22 year old doing a mix of road and MTB racing at the domestic level gets a positive, for me at least, is more and more evidence of how systemic in pro cycling. |
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| Me, a fan? |
Agreed. Just to simplify, there are 2 reasons why it will not be reported by any national and/or local media outlet: It's not July and it's not about Lance. Even curling season takes precedence over cycling here, knocks it right off the sports page. |
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| HuwB |
Shit storm passes well wide of the mark. No positives announce the French. | ||||||
| Hommedesbois |
What a relief - our sport is clean
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| Bartali |
Well .... everyones clean apart from Astana
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| Hommedesbois |
And LPR Brakes of course! | ||||||
| Me, a fan? |
Wow, what a surprise. | ||||||
| Enchantress |
Praise be!
My faith is fully restored in our wondrous sport. I have complete and absolute faith in the UCI. The body's relentless pursuit to rid professional cycling from these 'rogue' dopers that taint the achievements of the worlds cleanest, best athletes, is nothing short of magnificent.... |
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| Mrs John Murphy |
Something doesn't quite make sense - they said 40 riders but they tested 17 samples... also, given how long it normally takes to do a B test, to get the results etc etc, to have all the results in a day seems a little bit fast... | ||||||
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