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Biosphere

Ronde van Vlaanderen: 5th April 2015

FPs awaiting here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about5220.html

Team Sky's turn to unveil new tech and end up sitting in a ditch with a broken bike Wink

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...our-of-flanders-and-paris-roubaix

With the UCI  generally having a conservative approach to new bike tech, I'm a bit surprised that they can unveil a bike with suspension a few days before a race and it's seemingly OK.
HuwB

Me too.
The only chance to give it a proper road test and perhaps carry any minor alterations was probably E3.
Now, any teething issues are going cause monumental problems.

Anyhow:



HuwB

If anybody needs a live racing fix, before tomorrow's big one,
the Volta Limburg will be live from 13-45 BST
Race should finish some time after 16-00.

http://www.l1.nl/inhoud/volg-wielrennen-l1


The GP Miguel Indurain also returns today, after being cancelled last year.
There is supposed to be live net coverage from around 3-45pm, to the finish
about 90 minutes later.
Links if and when available
Mrs John Murphy

Re: Ronde van Vlaanderen: 5th April 2015

Biosphere wrote:
FPs awaiting here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about5220.html

Team Sky's turn to unveil new tech and end up sitting in a ditch with a broken bike Wink

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...our-of-flanders-and-paris-roubaix

With the UCI  generally having a conservative approach to new bike tech, I'm a bit surprised that they can unveil a bike with suspension a few days before a race and it's seemingly OK.


Having Cookson in  charge always helps.
HuwB

Het Nieuwsblad

**** Thomas
*** Vanmarcke, Stybar, Kristoff
** Devolder, Terpstra, GVA, Degenkolb, Sagan, Roelandts
* Paolini, Boom, Vandenbergh, Oss, Stannard


de Telegraaf

***** -
**** Thomas, Kristoff, Terpstra
*** Stybar, Vanmarcke, Sagan, GVA, Roelandts, Degenkolb
** Vandenbergh, Wiggins, Paolini, Devolder, Oss, Pozzato, Breschel
* Boom, Langeveld, van Baarle, Stannard, Debusschere, Chavanel, Offredo, Modolo, Leukemans, Marcato, Theuns
Biosphere

Interesting GW blog from Ted King. DNFs in the neutralised zone Smile

http://blog.strava.com/ted-kings-epic-gent-wevelgem-race-story-9745/
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Het Nieuwsblad

**** Thomas
*** Vanmarcke, Stybar, Kristoff
** Devolder, Terpstra, GVA, Degenkolb, Sagan, Roelandts
* Paolini, Boom, Vandenbergh, Oss, Stannard


de Telegraaf

***** -
**** Thomas, Kristoff, Terpstra
*** Stybar, Vanmarcke, Sagan, GVA, Roelandts, Degenkolb
** Vandenbergh, Wiggins, Paolini, Devolder, Oss, Pozzato, Breschel
* Boom, Langeveld, van Baarle, Stannard, Debusschere, Chavanel, Offredo, Modolo, Leukemans, Marcato, Theuns


And then there is l"Equipe

Five Star  Nobody
Four Stybar, Kristoff, Thomas
Three Degenkolb, Sagan, Terpstra, Van Avaermat
Two  Paolini, Roelandts, Vanmarcke
One  Devolder, Vandenbergh
HuwB

Sporza live.
Roll out of Brugge and the first few kms coming up:

http://bvls2013.com/stream4.html
HuwB

183kms to go and we are live through until the end.
Biosphere

Have had to go to an Easter breakfast. Counting the minutes until I can make my excuses and leave Smile
kathy

Brad crashes!
HuwB

Wiggins now back on his Rolls and Sky have removed their road bloke. Smile
Supping on a Westmalle dubbel, atm.
kathy

While Brad is still sulking at the back Greipel has a go!
Nolte

kathy wrote:
While Brad is still sulking at the back Greipel has a go!


lotto seem to be having a plan of attack with bak in the break, a strong rider, greipl going hard.

Maybe refinding their flanders flair? Its been a few lean years for lotto/marc sergeant in flanders

2014 - gallopin 23rd
2013 - roelandts 3rd
2012 - sieberg 67th
2011 - gilbert 9th
2010 - gilbert 3rd

of course 2 podium and a top 10 in 5 years may not be considered lean but expectations wise it is
Nolte

jesse sergeant hit by the service car Sad
gerry12ie

Do you think I can find somewhere in Milan to actually watch this?  Twisted Evil home of cycling my arse
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
jesse sergeant hit by the service car Sad


Team thinks it's a broken collarbone Sad
kathy

Hope that Mavic driver loses his job!  Stupid manoeuvre.
HuwB

Was getting lunch (and a La Chouffe) when it happened.
As bad, if not worse than the France tv car at the Tour, since
the driver should know what he is doing.

The crash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsexjF6Iaz0
HuwB

Shimano suicide squad.
Strike 2.
Incredible.
Nolte

just appalling Sad
Fontfroide

Reckon Madiot will take it all calmly without much fuss, and just get on with it?
Biosphere

And adding to the congestion the Flanders VIP package cars.

Have gone for Leffe and Chimay here.
HuwB

The second incident:
https://vine.co/v/OlPm6JniBt6
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
And adding to the congestion the Flanders VIP package cars.

Have gone for Leffe and Chimay here.


White, red or blue?
gerry12ie

Sorted in milano grazie and westmalle on draught
Biosphere

Brown Leffe and Blue Chimay. Wouldn't be my first choices if I was in Oudenarde like days of old, but it's what I get in local supermarket on Easter weekend Smile

Westmalle on draught - that's a new one on me!
Nolte

good to hear, gerry

sky drilling it
air bridge collapses Sad
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Sorted in milano grazie and westmalle on draught

Draught Westie in Milan? Lucky sod.

Warning: Belgians drinking an working. Please treat with extreme caution.
Air bridge, air heads.
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
. . .sky drilling it. . .


Koppenberg in 7km. It's going to get crowded at the front.
Biosphere

Biosphere wrote:
Nolte wrote:
. . .sky drilling it. . .


Koppenberg in 7km. It's going to get crowded at the front.


I'm confused - thought it was Koppenberg and not Paterberg at 50 to go.
Fontfroide

Weird seeing Greipel attack on a wee hill.
HuwB

Team Wales carrying it all for Sky.
Motor bikes: sponsored by Shimano
Fontfroide

Jesus, Greipel attacks again.
Biosphere

I never liked that downhill cobbled hairpin with a level crossing thrown in for good measure!
HuwB

Team Wales: oustanding.
Team England: out. Laughing
gerry12ie

Where is s4oofer? Barman runs the west ham milanese supporters club so no hesitation in knocking spurs off to let us watch the race
Fontfroide

Glad I didn't pick Sepp
Biosphere

So did I miss a mechanical for Vanmarcke or did he just fade?
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
Glad I didn't pick Sepp


i was thinking, mechanical for sepp but looking at the chase back he made, i don't know, dropped maybe. Anyway race over for van marcke

terpstra and kristoff on attack, interesting move by kristoff

good to see vandenbergh not chasing it down
gerry12ie

Andre the giant
HuwB

Strange race, to say the least.
Just not hard enough, but too hard for Vanmarke.
Nolte

i was going to ask with bmc having four riders why weren't they doing anything to chase terpstra/kristoff but they are working now.
HuwB

Chapeau Greipel, but I wonder if BMC have protected Oss as well?
Fontfroide

Love it when we find out what kind of temporary co-operation might happen for the chasers.  Who will chase, when?  For the echappee no such complications.  Looks at intriguing race developing.
CapeRoadie

Well done, Greipel.
Nolte

thomas attacks with stybar in his wheel. Bmc on front of third group
CapeRoadie

Please prevent Sagan from winning.
HuwB

Game over. Kristoff=Paolini
Fontfroide

Geraint made a serious effort, but he just didn't have it.

Looking good for the two in front.
gerry12ie

They are going to fuck around and let these two ride away
CapeRoadie

30 sec I'd say Kristoff as well...
Nolte

Stybar's job seems to be to follow attacks and kill their spirits.
CapeRoadie

If Sagan wins I'm never watching any race he's in again.
Fontfroide

they need one more hill to make it even better.  And then one more.  Love sitting in front of the box demanding one more hill.
gerry12ie

Ok found Sagan  Very Happy
Fontfroide

CapeRoadie wrote:
If Sagan wins I'm never watching any race he's in again.


Don't be harsh Cape, he is just trying to win.  Can't fault the fellow for that given his salary.
HuwB

This is the polar opposite to last year's edition. what a sh*t race.
CapeRoadie

His performances aren't real. I can fault him for being an arse and a doper, though, right?
CapeRoadie

Nobody's got any legs left! Surprising that the pack can't gain!
gerry12ie

Sadly without tomekke or fabian there was no giants to kill
Fontfroide

CapeRoadie wrote:
His performances aren't real. I can fault him for being an arse and a doper, though, right?


And even a Slovene if you like.  Or that moustache he wears sometimes.

They are all looking a bit tired now.
Nolte

terpstra seems to be doing the bare minimum but it is really kristoff's race to lose at this point.
HuwB

Could this steaming turd lead to a return to the old route, or is pay per view for the corporate clowns here to stay?
Biosphere

Gap is bit less than caption, but can Terpstra out sprint Kristoff?
Fontfroide

I thought the end might be more interesting.
CapeRoadie

Sagan a well-deserved 4th!
CapeRoadie

Good for Kristoff. No Spartacus or Tommeke. Kinda boring. But pretty to look at. Until next week!
Biosphere

Dull, dull, dull . . . which is a bit of a shame for Kristoff as he took it on in a way he wouldn't have been expected to.
gerry12ie

Kristoff is something else. The new Kelly - or maybe the rider Sagan should have been. Don't forget how strong he was in last year's epic
HuwB

I chose this to be in for, over last weeks race. Idiot.
Martin Elmiger makes the top 10 ffs.
CapeRoadie

Fontfroide wrote:
CapeRoadie wrote:
His performances aren't real. I can fault him for being an arse and a doper, though, right?


And even a Slovene if you like.  Or that moustache he wears sometimes.

They are all looking a bit tired now.


I've nothing against Slovenia whatsoever. He's an arse-grabbing arse, though.
CapeRoadie

And btw he's a Slovak.
Nolte

i think the thing with kristoff going early with terpstra, that it had a neutralising effect on the chase. But at that stage, there were no katusha riders left so if he had stayed and waited, then everyone would have been looking at kristoff to do the work so that i feel is why kristoff went so early, it worked for him.

Benoot in 5th for lotto is 21 years old
gerry12ie

Barely worth getting half drunk for but it's a new era for this race when you think about it so expect some teething issues. Not a bad spring all told... Let next week be the judge of the northern spring
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:
Kristoff is something else. The new Kelly - or maybe the rider Sagan should have been. Don't forget how strong he was in last year's epic
My thoughts are more along the lines of Johan Museeuw Palmares who also started out by being a Sprint winner.
That was impressive today and reminded me of the Museeuw/Frans Maassen dual and the noise in the bar as the Belgian won.
Boogerd_Fan

I thought Sagan played it right today... take a chance it will all come back together, and conveniently Kristoff (his adversary in the sprint) using up energy in the two-up move at the front.

Unfortunately, the chase didn't work. Probably needed some Tinkoff guys in there to pull it along.. but thats another story!! Even Canondale had a stronger presence 12 months ago!! Why the BMC or Astana guys didnt combine forces to chase it down i don't know.

Then played the right move to go with GVA once it was clear the break wasn't coming back.

Kudos to Kristoff, i expected him to suffer being the hyped rider (seems in the media even more than on here!).. and a strong ride too for Benoot. Lotto will do well to hold onto him.

So P-R or bust for Van Marcke* and maybe Sagan.. altho he could also turn up in the Ardennes and win Fleche or Amstel and calm some of the hate.


*Lotto-Jumbo NL are still without a win... its getting pretty desperate.. they need Hofland to turn up in Turkey and blast the rest asap! Very Happy
The press release from team confirms no additional explanation for why he got dropped on taaienberg.. he didnt have it, and couldn't quite make it back before next set of hellingen.


@Cape.. no doubt its easy to think Sagan's on something from his winning ways.. but there's a lot of evidence this year to support he's clean  Laughing  I'm a big fan but undecided myself.

I know Tinkoff's support team have screwed his ride position when switching from Canondale to Specialized. I don't think he's got used to it yet... and his media commitments etc.. looks like it took a toll on his winter regime. The dude is clearly overweight.
Fontfroide

CapeRoadie wrote:
And btw he's a Slovak.


True enough, my slip.  

Actually, I can't even muster up the least bit of prejudice one way or another about Slovaks.  I like it when I am so ignorant about a "group of people" that I can't find any way to like them or not.  

Although I figure Sagan does have a bit of asshole in him, although he is young still, and probably will grow up.  Cav was a bit like that.  I hope they both win a few races this year.
CapeRoadie

It's not his race that matters to me, FF. I just think that when he assaulted that hotesse (podium "girl"), he set us back a few decades. I understand that extra testosterone in a young man leads to that sort of aggressive behavior, but I am also strongly anti-doping, even more so when it leads to that sort of poor judgement. Maybe it is a cultural thing (I wouldn't know about rites of passage in Slovakia), but I doubt it. I don't remember Cav assaulting a hotesse, although I remember a certain brashness. I remember Sagan when he was a clean kid, racing against clean riders, and they all could outsprint him. I know a rider who had a contract offer from Liquigas but turned them down because he wouldn't dope. He is and was a far better sprinter than Sagan. Now, he has been relegated to the background due to doping. The sport will likely never be clean, but I'd say we cannot stop fighting it.
Mrs John Murphy

I think it is wishful thinking to expect any professional sportsperson to grow up.

Cape did you read BG's article about sexism in cycling? While I think Sagan didn't help, Cookson et al have been setting women in cycling back far more.
mazda

So is the concensus that the weather was just too nice ?
gerry12ie

I don't think the weather had any real say in what happened.  It has been fairly clement for the last few years (bitterly cold in 2013 though) so yesterday wasn't any different to recent editions.  I think the problem was that in the absence of Boonen of Cancellara there were 7 or 8 riders who had a realistic chance of glory and maybe froze a bit at the prospect of reaching out and taking it.  Thomas, Vanmarcke, Roelandts and Sagan actually all fell short of their 2013 or 2014 placings when the race was there for the taking.  The reality of the race was that the rider with the best trajectory of the last few years stepped up and won the race.  In hindsight, the other teams might have been better off putting something in place to stop Kristoff as his record in RVV since joining Katusha is 15th, 4th, 5th, 1st.

He was the man to mark and nobody really bothered marking him...
Biosphere

I heard Cookson was driving the neutral service car. Both of them. And he's done nothing to tackle climate change leading to milder springs and neutered one day classics Wink

The coverage of the decisive break was limited as they went when Vanmarcke was making his final efforts to get back on. Thomas did make an effort to close them down, but sees that he's towing everyone else so pulls over. He commented on being marked all day, but that's life as a favourite with a game changing bike. The next time we got pics the break was well and truly gone. Do wonder if Terpstra should have worked at all given his very small chances in a two man sprint, but maybe that was the best they could do and neutralizing Stybar and Vandenbergh for the last 30km was the price they were willing to pay.

BMC despite their numbers also elected to not bother chasing initially and gambled on Van Avermaet making his attack work and their being less harmony between the two leaders. Reports of loud and fast talking amongst the BMC team after the race.

I think Kristoff had the legs to win in a range of scenarios and there's not so much that could have been done about it on the day. His two non descript years at BMC followed by an impressive progression at Katusha make an interesting back story.
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
The coverage of the decisive break was limited as they went when Vanmarcke was making his final efforts to get back on. Thomas did make an effort to close them down, but sees that he's towing everyone else so pulls over.

I think by then (Vanmarcke coverage) it was too late.
I recall Terpstra and Kristoff getting the gap on the not flat top of the Kruisberg (after big Tom had nicely described how difficult it was due to the way it kept going up).
Thomas with Stybar(?) in tow did get a gap on the rest when Thomas  went for it but eventually BMC brought them back. At that point the gap was down to 15 seconds but went back out again quickly as Thomas was caught.
After that it happened to be the two strongest out in front.

That was an impressive way for Kristoff to win it.
Maybe Terpstra attacking forced his hand.
Nolte

CapeRoadie wrote:
It's not his race that matters to me, FF. I just think that when he assaulted that hotesse (podium "girl"), he set us back a few decades. I understand that extra testosterone in a young man leads to that sort of aggressive behavior, but I am also strongly anti-doping, even more so when it leads to that sort of poor judgement. Maybe it is a cultural thing (I wouldn't know about rites of passage in Slovakia), but I doubt it. I don't remember Cav assaulting a hotesse, although I remember a certain brashness. I remember Sagan when he was a clean kid, racing against clean riders, and they all could outsprint him. I know a rider who had a contract offer from Liquigas but turned them down because he wouldn't dope. He is and was a far better sprinter than Sagan. Now, he has been relegated to the background due to doping. The sport will likely never be clean, but I'd say we cannot stop fighting it.


and the organisers of e3 harelbeke are not doing cycling's image any good either in their publicity images of the race

according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics (oh ho citing wikipedia) the rate of rape in slovakia was 2.6 per 100,0000 in 2009 and this is less than rates in many other countries

however because of legal differences in countries, and then reporting and such, fully comparative figures for countries can not be made.
Mrs John Murphy

Biosphere wrote:
I heard Cookson was driving the neutral service car. Both of them. And he's done nothing to tackle climate change leading to milder springs and neutered one day classics Wink

The coverage of the decisive break was limited as they went when Vanmarcke was making his final efforts to get back on. Thomas did make an effort to close them down, but sees that he's towing everyone else so pulls over. He commented on being marked all day, but that's life as a favourite with a game changing bike.


Didn't Cancellera used to complain about being marked to death Wink

All we need now is a rumour about motorised bikes and we're there.
mr shifter

HuwB wrote:
Could this steaming turd lead to a return to the old route, or is pay per view for the corporate clowns here to stay?
I was in agreement at 60Km's to go, (as you know my Rant elsewhere) and 120 miles ridden with the peloton still virtually intact.
They then climb the Oude-Kwaremont to split the peloton (at last) and more get lost on the Paterberg but as they move downhill it's André Greipel that takes off and climbs the Koppenberg sitting down but is caught at the top.
Then across to the Taaienberg and slowly (in RVV fashion) the peloton is being whittled down as they go across the top of the Kanarieberg and down into Ronse (this is all K-B-K country or World Road Race) to climb my favourite the Kruisberg.
I am delighted (the final race move started here) that as they get back on the Main road that No 87 Nelson Oliveira (Lampre) attacks and Niki Terpstra is almost knocked off as he also starts his attack and goes past Oliveira with Kristoff undecided which wheel to follow.
He obviously chose the right wheel to follow as he kicked again to Terpstra's wheel.
So to me the last 60 Km's did truly live up to a real Flanders race with an outcome so similar to the 1993 race that I watched on the Muur. (ie Museeuw a sprinter who won from Frans Maassen the power house)

This new course with spectators now shoveled behind barriers on both sides of the Kwaremont leaves me wondering where they park their cars but the atmosphere is much louder. (like it used to be on the Muur)
They have stopped the need to "Chase" the race as you can get 5 sightings by just staying at the top of the Kwaremont but no bar for refreshment.  Rolling Eyes
Oh, and the Hotond (not listed) is a mile or so after the Kruisberg.

Be Lucky
berck

Saw this the other day... Very Happy
mr shifter

berck wrote:
Saw this the other day... Very Happy

Am I the only one that dosn't understand that. ??  scratch
Some Fat slob dressed up in colours.

Edit :- Claude Criquielion lost his chance of a World Road Championship Title on the tarmac road climb of the Kruisberg.
RIP Claudy.
Nolte

mr shifter wrote:
berck wrote:
Saw this the other day... Very Happy

Am I the only one that dosn't understand that. ??  scratch
Some Fat slob dressed up in colours.


not fat or a slob, he's just wearing layers
Fontfroide

So is this guy a famous cartoon character that does not often get shown on TV  in France?  Or just a guy?
Nolte

ned flanders, next door neighbour to the simpsons

see mr. s, not fat slob

berck

Well, I thought some might not get the reference, but with the Simpsons having been on TV for about 20+ years, I thought it had made it's way across the pond by now. Smile
mazda

I suggest it is partly an age thing Wink
The yellow is a bit of a give away even if you only know of Homer.
I wonder if the TMNJ would be more well known given their current renaissance.
mr shifter

Nolte wrote:
ned flanders, next door neighbour to the simpsons
see mr. s, not fat slob
Dressed in those colours it looked weird.  
I wondered why a mention of a cycle race did produce the need to show a picture like that.
berck wrote:

Well, I thought some might not get the reference, but with the Simpsons having been on TV for about 20+ years, I thought it had made it's way across the pond by now. Smile
Oh, I know it's been around for many years but as I channel jump it's the only time I see it and then browse it's stupidity for a short while, before moving on.
If I find that's the best my TV can supply as entertainment then I move on to my recordings of the many things that do entertain me. You see I would prefer a Tom & Jerry cartoon but that's not where I go either.

I did try another post to show why I mentioned it in the first place and why there is some cycling history just there and in a way to pay some respect to that hill.
Quote:
Edit :- Claude Criquielion lost his chance of a World Road Championship Title on the tarmac road climb of the Kruisberg.
RIP Claudy.


Sorry if I sound like Grump.

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