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gerry12ie

Paris - Roubaix April 12th 2015









We could do with a bit of a cobbled lift after last weeks drab Flanders and hopefully this will provide it.  I never fully bought in to the Hell of the North mythology but when this race is good it is very, very good - and the last two or three years it has been excellent.  

Good weather is forecast and the absence of Boonen and Cancellara shouldn't have the same impact on this as Flanders.  The bookies say Kristoff, and as usual, it generally doesn't pay to argue with them, although if McCoy wins the Grand National and Wiggins does the business in PR then they will have to dig deep, and the media will have to send out for more hyperbole.
Mrs John Murphy

Carlton will need a lot of kleenex tomorrow if Wiggums wins.
Nolte

listening to nemone filling in for lauren laverne on 6music on thursday, she had a request for the team sky mechanics of "this is the one" by the stone roses
gerry12ie

The shopping fairy arrived back from town with an apt little pressie


Reduced to €30 in Tk Maxx to prove that when it's over it really is over...
Mrs John Murphy

Does it come with bonus shit haircut?
gerry12ie

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Does is come with bonus shit haircut?


Nah, I had that already... Wink
Nolte

100k left
next section for breakaway is arenberg.  Thomas gets a puncture, not good timing
Nolte

etixx riders seemed badly placed in arenberg but no major problems
kathy

Will they chuck the 'crossing-jumpersk' out?
Fontfroide

Decided to watch for three hours today.  Skip the nap.  But so far, I am not watching a memorable race.  Although I notice there is yet another little gap developing after the first time.  Maybe Bradley caught this one.  Oops, not really.  So far trapped twice the HOllywood guy, he must not be that fit.  

Shame about Geraint.
HuwB

Etix, like Sky, seem to only have a plan "A".
What happens after they burn out their big boys and the contenders
start to get involved?
Fontfroide

Must be forty of them 50k from the end.

That massive Vandenbergh is working very hard.  The guy is two metres tall!!!

The escape seems to be doomed, although we must have known that from the beginning.
Nolte

kathy wrote:
Will they chuck the 'crossing-jumpersk' out?


well the rules state they should but i think as they slowed down for those left behind, i don't think they will.

Fontfroide wrote:
Must be forty of them 50k from the end.

That massive Vandenbergh is working very hard.  The guy is two metres tall!!!

The escape seems to be doomed, although we must have known that from the beginning.


oh well, the same was thought for o'gradys win and vansummeran's win.
Fontfroide

Depends the escapers of course, but I know few of them.  Gougeard is a serious rider, good at ITT.

French commentators very excited when Offredo and Demare were at the front for a period.
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
Depends the escapers of course, but I know few of them.  Gougeard is a serious rider, good at ITT.

French commentators very excited when Offredo and Demare were at the front for a period.


i think for geogeard, he is still young in his second year i think so its more a seeing what he's got for cobbles. Good spinrter too as well as a tt so it might be interesting how he progresses on cobbles.
Fontfroide

Flipping Bradley makes a move and it is pretty good group.  Stybar made it too.

Huge number in the bunch for 27k out.
Nolte

Wiggins attack with vandenbergh and debauscherre. Stybar bridging across

merida ad now. How to tell they are short of reknown winners, they advertise a sacha modolo win on the ad.
Nolte

still lots of riders left, too many
Fontfroide

Nolte wrote:
still lots of riders left, too many


So late, and yet we have no idea who will win.  There is even more than one sprinter left.
Nolte

yes, after carrefour stil twenty at least in it
Fontfroide

Bradley makes his move
HuwB

Top 50:
http://www.matsport.fr.php53-23.o..._live=5&menu=&race=283500
gerry12ie

The sprinter's spring continues... well done Degenkolb he was smart and aggressive, and it paid off.  GVA continues his extraordinary run of monument podiums, and Ettix fail again - although against Degenkolb there probably wasn't an awful lot they could do.  

Hatch: Stybar isn't doing any work here, and who could blame him?

Kelly: Stybar is attacking.

Very Happy  Very Happy
Bartali

Enjoyed that ....
gerry12ie

Kudos to Stybar for wearing a cycling cap on the podium rather than a baseball cap.

#oldschool
HuwB

That was much, much better than last week's bore.
Very impressed with Luke Rowe.
Showed what a Welsh rider can do if he stays on his bike.
MAILLOT JAUNE

I just really enjoyed it for the fact that Eurosport commentary was in English on my Dutch TV!!!!!!!!

Who is the commentator who pronounces every non-English word with a fancy foreign accent?
Boogerd_Fan

just wondering what sep has to do... anonymous whole race, first time he stuck his nose in the wind on 1-2 sectors before Carrefour and he got gaps and Kristoff distanced... moments later.. puncture and he's chasing back to the group over the Carrefour sector where had he not punctured would surely have blown up the front group far more than it did.

Instead he took that sector further back, recovering... while the winning moves were made.

Also we're robbed of a sprint showdown between Sagan and Degenkolb, thanks to that dodgy shifter leaving Peto in the inner ring? Surely it was quicker 10km out, to jump off, ship the chain to the big ring and pull back the 10-15s, rather than fanny about like he did, until it was too late.


Can't begrudge Degenkolb the win tho, like Kristoff last week, he took the race on, and was the strongest, considering his move to bridge groups before the velodrome.
HuwB

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
I just really enjoyed it for the fact that Eurosport commentary was in English on my Dutch TV!!!!!!!!

Who is the commentator who pronounces every non-English word with a fancy foreign accent?


Rob Hatch.
What a joy compared to the constant wittering of that clown, Kirby.
gerry12ie

HuwB wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
I just really enjoyed it for the fact that Eurosport commentary was in English on my Dutch TV!!!!!!!!

Who is the commentator who pronounces every non-English word with a fancy foreign accent?


Rob Hatch.
What a joy compared to the constant wittering of that clown, Kirby.


Yes, he is miles better than Quigley and Kirby.  

Teams with most finishers today...

Giant-Alpecin 8
Tinkoff-Saxo 8
AG2R 7
BMC 7
Etixx-Quickstep 7
Lotto Soudal 7
Wanty-Groupe Gobert 7
Mrs John Murphy

The UK press coverage is up there with the Armstrong days. 'Wiggins doesn't win' and Degenkolb gets a footnote.

Maybe if Degenkolb didn't have one of those difficult to spell foreign names or had some British, American or Australian teamates he'd have got more coverage.
Fontfroide

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
The UK press coverage is up there with the Armstrong days. 'Wiggins doesn't win' and Degenkolb gets a footnote.

Maybe if Degenkolb didn't have one of those difficult to spell foreign names or had some British, American or Australian teamates he'd have got more coverage.


Yes, l'Equipe does that all the time.  Noting the French riders and not really reporting on the race from a semi-neutral point of view.  Very annoying, but I imagine it is the same in all the national presses everywhere.  

Degenkolb, like many of the riders does speak a quite passable English so there is really no excuse for the British sports writers.  They could even have talked about Sean Kelly and the previous MR, PR double.  Kelly speaks English.  Wink
HuwB

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
The UK press coverage is up there with the Armstrong days. 'Wiggins doesn't win' and Degenkolb gets a footnote.

Maybe if Degenkolb didn't have one of those difficult to spell foreign names or had some British, American or Australian teamates he'd have got more coverage.


Indeed.
Piece today on the SNCF wanting the cops to prosecute the riders who crossed the train line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/32284180

Same footnote.
No mention of the British bloke who finished 10 places better.
Boogerd_Fan

he will remain Welsh until he wins something!!

the Murray effect Sad
Mrs John Murphy

HuwB wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
The UK press coverage is up there with the Armstrong days. 'Wiggins doesn't win' and Degenkolb gets a footnote.

Maybe if Degenkolb didn't have one of those difficult to spell foreign names or had some British, American or Australian teamates he'd have got more coverage.


Indeed.
Piece today on the SNCF wanting the cops to prosecute the riders who crossed the train line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/32284180

Same footnote.
No mention of the British bloke who finished 10 places better.


Finishing one place higher than Wiggins managed last year.

Also, had Rowe won the headlines would have been 'Brailsford genius enables unknown Sky rider to win. Wiggins decoy proves genius move'

SNCF have every right to be livid with the riders. How fucking stupid can you be.
gerry12ie

The Guardian has gone for this pic to illustrate this headline...

John Degenkolb wins Paris-Roubaix after Bradley Wiggins threat fades




Which is presumably from last year's Strade Bianche complete with Cancellara, Belkin and Cannondale Rolling Eyes lazy or what?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/...-roubaix-bradley-wggings-team-sky
Fontfroide

I talked to three people after the race and all three had got the idea that riders had defied the train rules, but none of them knew who won, except one who knew it was a German.  I guess the defiant unruly riders must have been on the news, and not the rest of the race.

Typical.
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
Degenkolb, like many of the riders does speak a quite passable English so there is really no excuse for the British sports writers.  They could even have talked about Sean Kelly and the previous MR, PR double.  Kelly speaks English.  Wink


I think the mainstream media outlets know their audience and were simply reporting on what said audience wanted to know about - which was how Wiggo had got on. So the fact that he was "thereabouts" until the end but didn't win or get killed by a TGV covers all the bases and was duly reported. The precise identity of the "Not Wiggo" who actually won was largely irrelevant to your average(*) BBC viewer or Guardian reader.

(*) Not all obviously.
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
The Guardian has gone for this pic to illustrate this headline . . . Which is presumably from last year's Strade Bianche complete with Cancellara, Belkin and Cannondale Rolling Eyes lazy or what? . . .


I kinda admire them for saying, fuck it, lets not bother paying to license a new photo, seeing as the big mouth didn't do much of note Smile

I'm more or less with SR on this one - they write the stories that get the clicks from their target market. We have our dedicated websites. And I'm sure that the common or garden variety Tagliches Zeitung had far more coverage of Paris Roubaix than is normal for the Monday after so it kinda balances out. Degenkolb will cash in Der Vaterland marketing caffeine based moustache grooming products and will kickstart a Krautrock fashion revival. Or something.

I was looking through Flanders photos last night and this made me smile (I didn't see the podium last week). I love his kids reaction.

mr shifter

Nolte wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Must be forty of them 50k from the end.

That massive Vandenbergh is working very hard.  The guy is two metres tall!!!

The escape seems to be doomed, although we must have known that from the beginning.


oh well, the same was thought for o'gradys win and vansummeran's win.
Don't forget the old lady also, Maggie Bäckstedt, er um er.
"When I......."?

I thought all in all, with that good Tail Wind it was a good race which showed the committed riders who wanted to win.
It looked like Degenkolb was the best prepared for a 155 mile race as he was so strong in the last Km's.

Be Lucky........I know that he comes from East Germany. (just in case you want to make a point)
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
Degenkolb will cash in Der Vaterland marketing caffeine based moustache grooming products and will kickstart a Krautrock fashion revival. Or something.
I thought perhaps he is after some of the Spartacus promos.
Mrs John Murphy

He was 10 months old when the wall fell for fucks sake.

To quote Wellington (who was born in Ireland) - Just because you are born in a stable doesn't make you a horse.

(Don't) stay racist.
Boogerd_Fan

There was no doubt he was the strongest... always position 2 or 3 on the cobbled sections, and quick to respond to folks trying to create gaps or forge ahead just after the key sectors.

He took it upon himself to bridge to Stybar and the Etixx rookie...and then worked to keep them ahead. Kudos.
Biosphere

Came across this on the Inner Ring regarding the train incident on Sunday - calling for an example to be made so that there is not an accident in future.

http://inrng.com/2015/04/level-crossing-uci-review/#more-24435

Although he doesn't name him, looks like GVA was the last man through?


Link


This years U23 at Flanders Shocked


Link
Mrs John Murphy

The riders are the first to complain about dangerous roads, road furniture, etc etc, but they are quite willing to put their lives at risk.

The other point is that the riders started crossing after the train had passed but the barriers were down - with no knowledge that there wasn't another train coming the other way.

All I can say is that they were very lucky no one was killed in either of those incidents.
berck

I found this one from 1937...

www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153767347094745&fref=nf
Mrs John Murphy

What it looks like from the other side.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/byj...88ryp-34oJez-5PAGr8-59ARUq-owkpJb

It's funny but not unexpected that the UK press is ignoring that St Bradley being one of those who chanced his arm on the crossing.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
What it looks like from the other side.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/byj...88ryp-34oJez-5PAGr8-59ARUq-owkpJb


I know Pinarellos look awful and the new suspension bike wasn't fully tested for the Ronde, but making Wiggo race on a tractor was a bit much...
mr shifter

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
He was 10 months old when the wall fell for fucks sake.

To quote Wellington (who was born in Ireland) - Just because you are born in a stable doesn't make you a horse.

(Don't) stay racist.
WTF is that about.
You really are out of touch with the last two years on this forum.

I just think that with the whiskers on his face that Degenkolb is becoming to look like Spartacus.
A simple observation missus. Stick It.
Mrs John Murphy

Are you so senile that you can't even remember your own posts? You really are out of touch with what you posted two days ago.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
The riders are the first to complain about dangerous roads, road furniture, etc etc, but they are quite willing to put their lives at risk.


I think it's a control issue rather than a danger issue as such.

Pro riders are a fairly mad bunch and descend at great speed in poor visibility and on dodgy surfaces knowing that there is a risk of death or life changing injury (mercifully rare) or a career limiting/ending injury (not so rare, but still unlikely). I assume they rationalise this by convincing themselves that they can control enough of what goes on to preserve themselves.

I think crossing a train line is viewed as a controllable risk, and the empirical evidence supports their risk assessment abilities. Has any pro actually been hit by a train in a race?

In contrast, potholes, stray dogs and bollards/curbs etc. on the racing line can't be controlled when fully committed to racing. Head down in the closing stages of a sprint, riders aren't looking 50 years up the road for possible obstacles, so if one's there, they hit it. (For us Weekend Warriors massaging our egos in the Marmotte, the early stages of the Glandon descent and the badly lit tunnels heading back to Bourg were most feared because of the increased risk of someone piling into you from behind - or hitting someone who'd crashed in front of you - about which you can do nothing beyond riding a sensible line and fitting a rear light, which are fairly limited defences!)

That said, if the rules say DQ with no discretion then that's what should have happened.
Mrs John Murphy

You are putting lipstick on a pig again.

The risk of crossing is not controllable - as is pointed out in the inrng blog - cyclists go over on tram tracks all the time (which is why they are covered when races finish there). It would not have taken much for someone to slip over and bring down other riders. Secondly they assumed that there was not a train coming the other way when they restarted before the barriers were raised up.

And cyclists do get hit by trains.

http://road.cc/content/news/11425...-cyclists-body-embedded-front-cab
mr shifter

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Are you so senile that you can't even remember your own posts? You really are out of touch with what you posted two days ago.
Do you mean this one.??

mr shifter wrote:
........I know that he comes from East Germany. (just in case you want to make a point)  
Well everybody else knew (I think) the previous discussions and the significant of that comment but the biggest Ignoramus around here then has to try to make a "Point".
We are still trying to work out what "Point" that is.
Silly Boy.....go read your Daily Mail.
Mrs John Murphy

You are the one who chose to make the 'point' not me. The only person who cares where he was born is you because you have a weird obsession with Germans. Maybe they care on the BNP cycling forums you post on, I don't know. I guess you got confused about where you were posting again.

Don't worry, I'm sure that after bingo the nurse will be round to up your medication and read Bulldog to you.
mr shifter

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
You are the one who chose to make the 'point' not me. The only person who cares where he was born is you because you have a weird obsession with Germans. Maybe they care on the BNP cycling forums you post on, I don't know. I guess you got confused about where you were posting again.

Don't worry, I'm sure that after bingo the nurse will be round to up your medication and read Bulldog to you.

What utter CRAP you post and not one word is coherent to me.
You seem to know a lot about such CRAP, Sonny.

Oh and for Your Info I still drive my car at 200 KPH even on the run from Dover to London coming off the boat at 2200.  Rolling Eyes
Last speeding fine 1975 and I still have some mileage in me, so have a rethink, if that's possible my boy.
It's the Dammed Airports that I need a nurse to help.

I had better finish mowing my lawn now.
Retirement is Grand when you have disposable income to play with. Basketball
mr shifter

Mrs John Murphy wrote:

And cyclists do get hit by trains.

http://road.cc/content/news/11425...-cyclists-body-embedded-front-cab

There are no Level Crossings for cars on a High Speed TGV line.


That is a TGV High Speed Train running at Freight Train speed, with speed restrictions.

The Paris-Roubaix Race has run for many years and crossed that line 3 or as last sunday 5 times witrhout incident and the Arenberg entrance being the first.
There was something wrong with that TGV timing as it should gone through on schedule about an hour earlier. (unless it was an empty unscheduled train)  

The incident recently was another rail line at Chéreng (10 Km's to go) with Freight moving between France and Belgium.
Mrs John Murphy

You are making less sense than normal which is pretty amazing.

It is the fault of SNCF that cyclists can't obey level crossing barriers?

Even travelling relatively slowly the TGV would have made a mess of any riders it had hit.

Do you go at 200kmph to Dover? Or is that when they ring the bells and have a flashback and think the invasion is coming?

Since you seem to doubt the story - http://www.dna.fr/edition-de-mulh...e-motrice-tgv-en-gare-de-mulhouse - there's the original with a photo of the front end of the train.

Not all TGV travel on high speed lines as is pointed out in the discussion below the english language article. Helps to read before going off on one.
mr shifter

Just to enlighten your little mind about me. :-
As a railfan, rail buff I have traveled many TGV Lines with my Thomas Cook European Timetable Book and through Germany. (oh but you say I hate that place even though I've worked there) oops (the place where road 200 KPH is the Norm) so back to TGV's.
I've done the 0815 Bordeaux -Paris TGV which used to pass the 0800 Bordeaux -Paris TGV at Poitiers waiting for us to pass. (that schedule has changed now)
Then only after Tours do they get on the High Speed Line to Paris.

Similarly Paris to Marseille/Nice is High Speed to Aix en Provence then continues on ordinary TER lines. Try Marseille on Bastille Day/Evening, Fantastic.

I was surprised by that TGV Est to Strasbourg still using TER lines with Level Crossings, as I thought by now it was High Speed Lines to Strasbourg with the usual High Fencing that only an Olympic High Jumper could get over.

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