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Fontfroide

Paris Roubaix 2016

Here's the ending I want.  Somehow after the last pave or second last, we end up with Fabian and Peter riding alone into the velodrome, where somehow, in a way that is right and just, Fabian wins.  They have each done exactly equal turns as they rode away from everyone else.  They both try really hard, no one suspects deference … Fabian outwits Sagan somehow.

Anything else will be a disappointment.  Well, actually something could be really good, but that is the ending I want.  Hollywood all the way.
gerry12ie

There's far too much romance in the air around here lately Wink
Whatever happened to your EBH fixation? Very Happy
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
There's far too much romance in the air around here lately Wink
Whatever happened to your EBH fixation? Very Happy


EBH troisieme?
Bartali

I said in the TA thread that the new safety protocols will mean PR is stopped if its raining ... well it turns out that they are going to miss part of it because its muddy!  

Will thats the ed of PR as we know it ... let's all buy watt bikes and stare at our power meters all day.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
I said in the TA thread that the new safety protocols will mean PR is stopped if its raining ... well it turns out that they are going to miss part of it because its muddy!  

Will thats the ed of PR as we know it ... let's all buy watt bikes and stare at our power meters all day.


Would be less cryptic with a linky, Bart:-

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/p...-buried-under-mud-may-be-removed/

So, it's the very first section, but if it is removed, the whole race schedule has to be moved due to train schedules.
Would be a lot easier to expend a bit of time and effort tarting the section up a bit. Call up some football groundsmen or whatever.
Fontfroide

Two of my weather forecasts say there will be or might be some light rain, showers, in the afternoon at Roubaix.  But I never believe them six days in advance.  They could right though.

As for mud on the road, seems they could just dirve one of those street cleaner trucks out there, the ones with high pressure hoses, two or three maybe, shove the mud off the cobbles and dare anyone to ride in the gutter.  At least most of the mud could be somewhat cleaned.  What could that cost, maybe 25 k or something, including drivers?  

I thought PR classic version was supposed to have a bit of mud.  I thought it was supposed to a little bit slippery.  I thought that was the charm of it all.
Bartali

Thanks Huw ... I was in a rush Smile
Bartali

It just saddens me that next to nothing has been done re the excessive use of motor vehicles and bikes during the races - and I know that not every accident is their fault, but the authorities are quick to take the drama (and history) out of the sport to such an extent that we will never see this ever again ...

Bartali

gerry12ie

It seems a very sanitised view for the race organisers to take off their own bat.  Obviously, feelings are sensitive following on from last weeks tragedy, but I would have thought that any safety concerns would come from riders or teams representatives rather than the race director.  Still, they have said they will leave it a couple of days to decide, so common sense might prevail.

No reason why they couldn't get the sweepers or power washers in to do a job if it is as bad as they say...
Boogerd_Fan

neutralize the sector or have the riders tap out that section.

back to the racing... can anyone stop him?
personally i hope not Razz
Bartali

I'd be happy to see him win this as well Boogie, but PR is always a bit of a lottery IMO.
Fontfroide

Hey Bartali,
I recognise the magnificent Sean Kelly, who has learned to speak quite well in his mature years.  But what kind of gear is that hooped shirt behind him and further behind in the peloton?

That is what I call mud.  And without a doubt quite risky for the riders.  Even for the cars.  Where to draw the line???
Bartali

Fontfroide

Might have known it was some Italians.  Stopped racing in 1989 I see.  Must have been one of their last races.
gerry12ie

I thought it was Daniel Day-Lewis getting all method again...
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:


Never knew Lord Lucan found sanctuary in the pro peleton!
Biosphere

SlowRower wrote:

Never knew Lord Lucan found sanctuary in the pro peleton!


It was common knowledge at the time, but omerta meant a blind eye was always turned.
Nolte

I was thinking prison uniform
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
SlowRower wrote:

Never knew Lord Lucan found sanctuary in the pro peleton!


It was common knowledge at the time, but omerta meant a blind eye was always turned.
Laughing  Laughing
HuwB

So, for the first time, we get the whole race live on tv.
That's the good news.
The great news is that it will be Rob Hatch and Sean Kelly, not that numpty Kirby, who managed to completely ruin my enjoyment of Flanders.

Looks as if this is the first step by the ASO to establish full race coverage for their showpiece (sponsor advertising) events.
Recent twitter commentator rumour has it that the whole of the 2017 TDF will be covered live, not just the opening and key mountain stages.

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/717783376095219716

Mixed responses, but unfortunately the "clown" is keen:

https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/717817278537052164
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Bartali wrote:
I said in the TA thread that the new safety protocols will mean PR is stopped if its raining ... well it turns out that they are going to miss part of it because its muddy!  

Will thats the ed of PR as we know it ... let's all buy watt bikes and stare at our power meters all day.


Would be less cryptic with a linky, Bart:-

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/p...-buried-under-mud-may-be-removed/

So, it's the very first section, but if it is removed, the whole race schedule has to be moved due to train schedules.
Would be a lot easier to expend a bit of time and effort tarting the section up a bit. Call up some football groundsmen or whatever.


So local pride stepped in and saved the day

Inner Ring wrote:
There’d been fears about the first sector being skipped because of mud but extra work by farmers and the village mayor has got it race ready.
Fontfroide

The French systems of Mayors, of which there are 36,000 in France, with a fair bit of budget, means they can do stuff small town mayors other countries just can't even imagine.  Not saying it is perfect, but ...
Biosphere

Sun is shining and a dry day is expected.
Nolte

Not a good sign, direct energie rider pichot saddle already off

If that what the road in compiegne does to their saddles, hate to see what arenberf forest will do.

Tailwind for today
kathy

First breakaway fails - who next?
Biosphere

Jens Bought on German TV said it would fail if the main teams didn't have a representative.
HuwB

Race kicked off 15 minutes late, presumably due to tailwinds and train schedules.
Yet, first hour covered in a shade under 50kph, without a breakaway making it. Not  really that fast all things considered.
45kph average needed to finish at 5pm CET.

Hatch, Quigley and Kelly in rotation.
Finally, Eurosport get the call right.
HuwB

5 star mud:-

https://twitter.com/ElisaMadiot/status/719105407021641728

Dirty d'Arenberg, too.
kathy

HuwB wrote:
Race kicked off 15 minutes late, presumably due to tailwinds and train schedules.
Yet, first hour covered in a shade under 50kph, without a breakaway making it. Not  really that fast all things considered.
45kph average needed to finish at 5pm CET.

Hatch, Quigley and Kelly in rotation.
Finally, Eurosport get the call right.


If it wasn't for the endless 'self-glorification' ad breaks!
HuwB

Kelly has got a round in for the lads. Cool
I'm hanging on until the big hand reaches the 12.

The break still has only a minute as we tick off sector number 3.
Nolte

Back from my cycle and showered. Saw some snow on the roadside on my ride,  extreme weather protocal was tempting but I persevered and came across no more snow that was nearly melted. Also came across muddied roads, thinking if troisville was an Irish race section, farmers would have came and put more mud to make it sure it was impassable

Any of the contenders showered before me?

Sector 23 vertain currently
gerry12ie

well done Nolte - taking a leaf out of Kelly's book.  They seem to be letting the break having a little leeway - so pandemonium expected at the usual sections then...
HuwB

The crash put Sagan, Cancellara, Boom etc out the back.
Mostly Etix, Sky and Jumbo off the front.
EBH too.
mazda

Just watched last 50 km of Flanders and now have a 100km chase in Paris-Roubaix to look forward to  Smile

Can't see Katusha, Trek and Tinkoff just letting their big riders sink backwards, even if some of them have riders up the road.
gerry12ie

Mazda is back cheers

EBH and Stannard having a good chat at the back...
HuwB

Break, groups at 1 minute, 1 minute 20, (Rowe Vanmarcke) 1 minute 55 (Sagan and co)
kathy

Martin's group seems to have lost its impetus.
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
Any of the contenders showered before me?


Well you beat me comfortably Wink Lovely day here. Interesting sights from my outing included rock face climbers on the opposite side of the valley I was climbing and a convoy of retro Minis including quite afew with British Leyland markings.

Been watching since the forest. Sagan's group having to do a lot of early work.
Nolte

Sagan cancellara group at 35 seconds, popovych going back probably as relief  for stuyven

Maybe the position for martin/boonen to push on was for positioning in arenberg.
Biosphere

I was wondering about the wisdom of having Popovych seemingly working in the lead group given the situation.
Biosphere

It feels as retro as the Minis with EBH and Boonen attacking off the front Wink
gerry12ie

It seems strange not to see Vandenbergh hammering away at the front
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
It seems strange not to see Vandenbergh hammering away at the front


It does

Sky with 4 on the front, looking good

Edit -And as I pressed post, the second sky riders goes down
Biosphere

I was going to comment about Sky staying out of trouble on the front.
Nolte

Standard last sky man standing after 3 minutes of bad luck for sky
Biosphere

Sky lose the Paris Roubaix lottery in the space of a few hundred metres.
HuwB

Sky are supposed to throw riders up the road, not on the road. Laughing
gerry12ie

Bummer for Sky but Standard has luck in spades here - it might stand to him
HuwB

Rowe back just in time.
Nolte

Rowe back in, it seems as puccio crash, he bounced on the cobbles
HuwB

Rowe back just in time.
Biosphere

Just part of their plan not to be asked to come through and do a turn at the front Wink
gerry12ie

Fabian and Terpstra down.  A minute now to bunny-hopping Sagan.
Nolte

Standard and vanmarcke make gap (edit - back together now)

Cancellara crashes, Sagan keeps upright somehow. Who are the 2 giant riders? De koert and de bakker maybe?
Fontfroide

Sagan turns out to be a pretty good bike handler.   Rolling Eyes

Good race for the last 30k since I started watching.  Hard to tell how anything will work out.  EBH could even win, but Boonen, written off, seems fit enough.  Even plenty of lovely outsiders, like Stannard.  I am enjoying this edition just because of the unpredictable.  On the other hand, that is Paris Roubaix.
CapeRoadie

Spartacus is back on his bike!
Nolte

CapeRoadie wrote:
Spartacus is back on his bike!


At 2 minutes though
Biosphere

Cancellara on Stuyen's bike? Is it worth chasing now?
kathy

Even though I've picked Stannard, I would love to see vanMarcke win one at last.
Fontfroide

Hope your pick wins though.
Fontfroide

I did notice no one picked EBH, wouldn't that be funny.
Biosphere

The front group seems to ride very casually, but the gap to Sagan doesn't budge. Chasers given up?
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
The front group seems to ride very casually, but the gap to Sagan doesn't budge. Chasers given up?


I think they are allowing Eurosport to get all their remaining add out of the way Wink
We hope

It is staying at 1 minute, I think the riders are considering strategy and just doing enough to keep it all moving
Fontfroide

Both groups seem to be taking it a bit easy, hence Boonen's attack.  Hard to tell what to do for each team.  Bunch of riders and DSs thinking really hard.  You can almost see it.
Fontfroide

Anyone but Erviti.
mazda

Fontfroide wrote:
Anyone but Erviti.

Any reason for that ?
I'm watching a bit in delay and Erviti is doing his turns.
Nolte

Is this the selection - standard, boonen, van marcke, hayman and boassen hagen
Fontfroide

Since I been watching he was nearly always at the back.  That's all.

Race winning break gone now.  Any of them will do.
Fontfroide

Nolte wrote:
Is this the selection - standard, boonen, van marcke, hayman and boassen hagen


I reckon.  EBH?  Stannard?  Shojld be good.
Nolte

Vanmarcke attacks
Nicely done by standard to get by faltering hayman
Biosphere

Time for somebody to tangle their handlebar on a spectator.
CapeRoadie

Sagan is a good bike handler. But then, so is Vanmarcke
CapeRoadie

Looks like 6 sec
Nolte

Yes, I think 6 too
Fontfroide

Now zero.  Great finish, who knows?
Nolte

I think stannard was caught out of place behind hayman at the back when vanmarcke attacked
CapeRoadie

They're going to catch him!
gerry12ie

I wouldn't begrudge anyone of these the win, but I'm obviously all in for Tom
HuwB

Best P-A in ages.
Extra Belgian brews have been called up. Smile
CapeRoadie

Who's the best sprinter? EB-H?
gerry12ie

CapeRoadie wrote:
Who's the best sprinter? EB-H?


Yep, I wonder is he a choker though?
CapeRoadie

Wow. only 20 sec to 2nd group
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
I wouldn't begrudge anyone of these the win, but I'm obviously all in for Tom


Be a great ending, but any of them is worthy.  EBH would be ironic!
Nolte

Hayman, boonen, keep it going
gerry12ie

Oh Tom Sad

Brilliant race
Fontfroide

Fantastic race.  Great ending.  But sorry, I do not believe in a cycling god that lets some Australian guy beat Boonen in his last PR.  And I love all Australians, but there is definitely no god.
Fontfroide

excited mistake
Nolte

That was great edition.
HuwB

Hayman, off the front of the breakaway, then off the front, full stop.
Awesome PR.
That was like a million times better than Pais Vasco which was a good stage race.
#mondaymorningdepression

(Have to say that watching the whole thing is much, much better than just the pointy end.)
gerry12ie

It was a rare treat to be able to watch such a fantastic race in its entirety, and with informed, professional commentary instead of the usual random sqauwkings

Fabian says farewell, too
Biosphere

Cancellara's day summed up with him tumbling down the banking. Great race.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Cancellara's day summed up with him tumbling down the banking.


Fabianfail number 2:-
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CfsMjgxWcAUP_ZX.mp4

Sadly, it is being reported that Viviani is in hospital after another coming together with a motorbike.
HuwB

Here it is. Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/r8uge/status/719201206262964225/video/1
Bartali

Yet another one ... if the motor bike can't stop if there is a crash in front then it is driving too close to the riders. This is basic driving skills that we all learn before we pass our tests!  Maybe we just see more of it or maybe 'big money' drives the media into ever more dangerous pursuits.  Sad ... Viviani didn't deserve that!

Otherwise a great race. disappointed that Big Tom didn't quite have enough in the finale, but he did much better than I expected.
Biosphere

Whilst reminding myself who came 6th, I came across this. I know the headline is misleading anyway, but you can't always believe what you read Smile

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/h...g-classics-with-fractured-radius/

And might I take the opportunity to welcome Mazda back Smile
Boogerd_Fan

bit unlucky for Boonen, bit of "luck" got OPQS, SKY and Lotto-JumboNL in the front of the race, and from there it was a lottery.

Happy for Hayman though. A proper PRO.. who doesn't mind a hard days work. Great to see him land P-R after 16 attempts (the record), as welll as pay back nearly 2 decades of service as domestique.
gerry12ie

Tom was classy yesterday.  He gave it his all, and was very dignified in defeat.  He looked genuinely pleased to have come so close, and didn't wallow in disappointment.

Quote:
"Maybe it’ll give me another year. It’s not all that obvious. If you watched the race then you know that I’ve given the maximum to get the win. Sprinting for the victory on this track is treacherous. In the final kilometres it was clear that nobody had energy left in his tank. We were there with five really strong riders.

"Everybody did his share of the work. Everybody who rode there deserved to get the win.”


Quote:
“Everybody was on their limit. It was very hard to get away because everybody knew I was trying to get a fifth victory. In the end I found a good moment when everybody was tired. I managed to sneak away. Mathew passed me. He was going so fast. I was almost killing myself to get back in the wheel. Then I thought to myself that maybe I was running out of juice. Everybody was really tired. I was still confident in the sprint. I knew I had to be in front in the sprint.”


Quote:
“Mat was the rider nobody was really looking at. He rode a good sprint. He passed where he had to pass. A guy like him really deserves a victory like this after a career of helping people out and being in finales of classics a lot but not really getting the big wins. Like in the past, riders like him can win Paris-Roubaix. I think that’s not a bad thing. We all tried our best and we have to be happy with the result we get.”


The words of a real kampioen
HuwB

How the prize money was spread around......or not:-



Full race coverage in lovely HD is available to view, here:

http://tiz-cycling.ml/video/paris-roubaix-2016-full-race/

In case anybody missed it.
mazda

91,000 ?  Shocked

Is that a reflection of the fact that ASO don't get all that much income in from  broadcasters and advertising partners, or that the organising costs are very high, or that ASO are making a killing ?

For the Tour you can imagine that they get so much money in from the host venues. Is it the reverse in P-R - do ASO have to pay out to stage the race ?

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