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Oops.. Vino and Kolobnev in bother....

... facing corruption charges in Belgium!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/v...obnev-to-face-corruption-charges/

Seems a bit late to me but I suspect Vino will get away with it...
mazda

Crumbs.
Still going on about that.
What's wrong with sharing the spoils ?

e.g. it's ok for a GC contender to offer to lose a stage to a co-escapee in return for help that secures a GC win. Such a deal is probably even assumed.

What I'm interested in is how long did Kolobnev have to consider the offer ?
Slapshot 3

I guess in real terms "no money exchanges hands" this is a pure bribe to throw the race...
Nolte

Well a bribe reported of €100,000 is hard to overlook while in the other example, it is a mutually beneficial agreement as both are benefitting in terms of sporting success as opposed to  a one day race where there is only one winner

In the stage race, working together is the best outcome for both while if they don't work together, they both may come away with nothing as opposed to a stage win and a GC each. Whether a break away works is a bit like studying of prisoners dilemma in college in managerial economics class about whether collusion works

In this, it is different as there could only be one winner
mazda

Consider the (alternative) scenario - V and K know they are going to win the race. They agree to share the winnings, and agree on a value, but don't agree on who should win. i.e. they agree to race properly.

If the agreement doesn't materially affect the sporting outcome - i.e. there was no way that anyone else could have won the race at the time the agreement was made - then has there been any possible fraud ?

Note that you can't make such a strong statement about the scenario where a stage winner and a GC winner co-operate.
There, the agreement is often made in order to affect both outcomes in favour of the co-operators.
How is that not negatively affecting the sporting integrity ?

Is it not the logical equivilent of two football teams agreeing to draw a match when the draw guarantees both sides the outcome they want ? (one might be to avoid relegation, the other might be a Champions League place).
Bartali

Interesting way of looking at it.  I don't know whether they did agree to race properly in this case ... but its a interesting argument though.
Biosphere

I don't think they agreed to race:

Quote:
The Swiss magazine claims that Vinokourov paid Kolobnev 100,000 Euros to allow him to win the race. The duo were alone in an attack at the finish, and Kolobnev did not sprint.

Vinokourov reassured the Russian that “You have done everything properly, do not worry”, after Kolobnev expressed concerns that "my balls may be cut off" if it came out that he was receiving payment.

“You remember that, for me it was a great chance. I do not know if I was right to do what I did,” wrote Kolobnev shortly after the race.

According to the magazine, Kolobnev admits to having let him win, “not so much because of our agreement, but mostly because of my feelings towards you and towards your situation.

"Even my wife was not too uneasy by the fact that I was second, because you were the first,” he continued.

If he had been up against someone else, “I would have gone for the victory, glory and bonus (in my contract that I have for these classics). That day I felt stronger than ever. Now it only remains for me to wait patiently to see if all this was not vain. My only comfort is that you won and not one of the natives (Belgian riders, ed.)

“Here is a copy of all my bank information and clear it from your mail box, or my balls may be cut off.”
gerry12ie

I don't know what the prize fund was that year but Dan Martin only bagged €20k for winning in 2013 - and you can be sure that was split among the team.  Kolobnov did very very well for rolling over to a cash rich cheat - so yes, they should both be done for it.  It isn't the first time it has happened and it surely won't be the last but I'll take the Bartali 'rules is rules' ground here...
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
I don't know what the prize fund was that year but Dan Martin only bagged €20k for winning in 2013 - and you can be sure that was split among the team.  Kolobnov did very very well for rolling over to a cash rich cheat - so yes, they should both be done for it.  It isn't the first time it has happened and it surely won't be the last but I'll take the Bartali 'rules is rules' ground here...


And it was 20,000 the year after in 2011 and 10,000 for second

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2011/04/liege-bastogne-liege-2011/
mr shifter

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Are they trying to get them disqualified, so that "Podium" Philippe Gilbert becomes the winner. ?  Rolling Eyes

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