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smarauder68

New GC Outlook after Stage 16

Today's stage wasn't conclusive, but we definitely learned some important things moving forward.

1)The Schleck bros are not in form or good enough to win this tour.  For those who spin Andy's loss as a mere problem with descending, remember that he was initially gapped on a Cat 2 climb with avg gradients of 5.2%.  He managed to lose a good 20 seconds on that climb. I have to say, that was the most surprising development of the day for me. I think Andy AND Frank will both miss the podium with dissapointing TT's.

2)Evans is the strongest all-arounder in this tour. If he doesn't win the TT by at least 30 to 45 seconds, I'll be shocked. He may still get dropped in the decisive stages, but nobody is as good as Evans this year on the flats, climbing and descending. I have doubts that anybody will manage to drop him significantly in the coming climbs.

3)If Sanchez hadn't lost 1:24 on the TTT, he'd be a solid co-favorite with Evans. He's been the 2nd most impressive rider of this tour for me.

4)Contador proved that he's been bluffing with that knee BS...He's definitely going to be a beast in stages 18 and 19. I think he needs to have a 45 second lead on Evans after Alp D'Huez to retain yellow the following day.

5)Basso will do no better than 6th or 7th.

6)Cunego will finish no better than 7th or 8th....his best TDF finish.

Likely Top 10:

1)Evans
2)AC.....@1:09
3)Sanchez @ 1:34
4)F.Schleck...@ 3:38
5)A.Schleck...@ 4:20
6)Voekler...@5:35
7)Basso....@5:44
8)Cunego...@6:10
9)Danielson @11:50
10)Uran.....@13:20

I'm expecting to AC to win Stages 18 and 19, but Evans will hang on gamely to maintain his overall lead on AC and then extend it with a brilliant TT.
kathy

Evans's TT has been definitely sub-par in recent years, whereas Contador can be unbeatable on his day, and Samu can turn in a more than decent tT when he needs to.
smarauder68

kathy wrote:
Evans's TT has been definitely sub-par in recent years, whereas Contador can be unbeatable on his day, and Samu can turn in a more than decent tT when he needs to.


I'm only judging by the legs I've witnessed in this tour.  AC is clearly not in the same form as in previous years and Evans is probably at his all-time best.
nicedommie

hard to disagree with any of that. though it might be interesting to see what happens if andy throws in the towel and rides for frank.
Bartali

Well I'll disagree ... Basso to finish higher than 6th!

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.
berck

Bartali wrote:

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.


You're not going to let this go, are you? Wink  Razz  Laughing
smarauder68

Bartali wrote:
Well I'll disagree ... Basso to finish higher than 6th!

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.


Look, Levi lost his spirit with 3 crashes the first 10 days....its not really fair to compare his performance with Cunego at this point...I wouldn't be surprised if he gets into one of the early breaks in Stage 18...
MAILLOT JAUNE

I'm rooting for TV to hang in there on the mountains. It'd be nice for a Frenchman to win. The Schlecks don't even deserve to finish in the top ten. They're a couple of f'wits - what skills, except for climbing (although they haven't excelled at that this year) do they actually have????
Realistically, Evans is in with a good shout for Yellow in Paris and out of all the remaining GC contenders is the only one to show he's got balls - sorry if I'm repeating myself from other posts.
smarauder68

I'm kinda pulling for Sanchez because he's shown a willingness to attack and chase stage wins...he never complained about his losses in the TTT as other have done in years past.

That said, I think its time for Evans to get the respect he's been due and I think it's gonna be next impossible to drop him on the climbs.
Boogerd_Fan

Certainly this is the best placed Evans has ever been. But it can all go wrong on one bad day. That goes for anyone. It's going to be an interesting few days!
Mrs John Murphy

Cuddles is always one attack from a complete meltdown.

The Schlecks have already blown it, so basically it is down to Dertie vs Cuddles.

Dertie looks to be refuelled and supercharged for the next few days.

In many ways Cuddles would be the least worse option. The Schleck's can piss off with their twatting around and their desire to cross the line holding hands, Dertie is just a cheat who should be out of the sport like Ricco. Cuddles basic problem is that Harmon will be fucking unbearable if Cuddles goes onto win this.

Mind you, a Cuddles meltdown would be very amusing.

While the romantic would like to see TV win, he will go pop at some point or other and lose 10 mins on everyone.

So Dertie will do the double.
70kmph

Evans should join the Tour Feminin...then maybe  Wink
MS

smarauder68 wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Well I'll disagree ... Basso to finish higher than 6th!

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.


Look, Levi lost his spirit with 3 crashes the first 10 days....its not really fair to compare his performance with Cunego at this point...I wouldn't be surprised if he gets into one of the early breaks in Stage 18...


Leipheimer was past his prime two years ago. He wouldn't have been in the top 10 even without those crashes.

I never thought Cunego would crack the top 10 of a GT again, much less the Tour. It will be a fine accomplishment if he can hang in there. I'd still prefer a stage.
HuwB

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Cuddles is always one attack from a complete meltdown.


+1

I still have the feeling that Cadel will be the collateral damage from today's Schleck ass whupping and Contador's steadily improving form.
Bartali

berck wrote:
Bartali wrote:

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.


You're not going to let this go, are you? Wink  Razz  Laughing


I'm like a dog with a bone!  Very Happy   Still at least I haven't suggested Levi's 'not got enough heart' ... whoops I just did  Embarassed
smarauder68

If Levi had a heart like Cunego, we'd see a DNF or WD next to his name...at least he didn't use the crashes as an excuse to check out...
Bartali

... unlike 2003 and 2008! Smile
gerry12ie

There are still only two riders there that are actually capable of riding away on the MTFs - Contador and Junior.  Schleck has too much time to take out of Evans so that means he will either blow up or bottle it.  That leaves Contador v Evans with Sanchez on their heels so I would say that Bartali possibly has it right and no Schleck podium.
Boogerd_Fan

gerry12ie wrote:
There are still only two riders there that are actually capable of riding away on the MTFs - Contador and Junior.  Schleck has too much time to take out of Evans so that means he will either blow up or bottle it.  That leaves Contador v Evans with Sanchez on their heels so I would say that Bartali possibly has it right and no Schleck podium.


I have to agree with this. Despite going into the race with full support of Andy Schleck, the way he's conducted himself during the race has been pathetic. Considering he was best placed (distanced Contador) and had only Evans to worry about going into this week. He really blew it yesterday. In case he hasn't already bottled it, he will soon realize that even if they drop Evans this week; Alberto is back in the picture just 30 seconds back, what he will get off him in the TT. Chance gone. More likely, Schleck will get distanced, trying to attack and blowing up himself!

My focus switches to Evans. If he can climb with the best, he's won.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
There are still only two riders there that are actually capable of riding away on the MTFs - Contador and Junior.  Schleck has too much time to take out of Evans so that means he will either blow up or bottle it.  That leaves Contador v Evans with Sanchez on their heels so I would say that Bartali possibly has it right and no Schleck podium.


Don't write off Basso on the MTF.  Unless yesterday and today break his spirit, he may well surprise a few people if Symd's there to hit the climbs hard from the bottom.
Severo

As Kathy mentions, I have a feeling that Contador will beat Cuddles in the TT. For me, the worst result is Cuddles winning as I want to be at least 50% sure that the winner won't be stripped of the title very soon, and with Contador I don't have that confidence. But it means not listening to Eurosport English-language for at least a year due to Harmon and therefore missing SK.

Actually, the Schlecks aside, I would be happy with most of the top 10 winning. I'd like to see TV keep a relatively high placing, top 10 or something. I will miss today's stage in all probability but have the rest of the afternoons this week off for the rest of the Alps.
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
There are still only two riders there that are actually capable of riding away on the MTFs - Contador and Junior.  Schleck has too much time to take out of Evans so that means he will either blow up or bottle it.  That leaves Contador v Evans with Sanchez on their heels so I would say that Bartali possibly has it right and no Schleck podium.


Don't write off Basso on the MTF.  Unless yesterday and today break his spirit, he may well surprise a few people if Symd's there to hit the climbs hard from the bottom.


Bart, if he makes up the what? 2 mins deficit to Evans - then puts time into the rest enough to be comfortable at the TT (so what? another 2 mins?) = 4 minutes on 2 MTF... then i will be the first to congratulate him!
Actually i wouldn't mind anyone winning save for Contador.
Fontfroide

I remember noting before the Tour that nearly everyone thought A. Schleck would be second.  Then I remember noticing that he had not actually raised his arms since the last Tour, that is, won nothing whatsoever.  I kept reflecting, why is it that so many people were so sure that he would be second, or many even thought first.  I still can't figure it out.  I rather liked a post I saw which said that Andy might win the Tour if there were no descending, time trialling or hills where you had to change gears.  I am beginning to go off the Schlecks big time.  It started on Ventoux, and I have never found a reason to get back on their wagon since.

Maybe they or Andy is going to be the latest "best cyclist to have never won the Tour".  Assuming he can win something else.  Otherwise he is just going to be a constant loser.
Boogerd_Fan

the guy is oozing potential. he just needs to understand how to settle and use it.

what i've found apparent is that he believes that he is the heir apparent, that its his to win. great self-confidence, but somewhat deluded, if he thinks he can waste stages feinting to attack, and waiting for his brother, than actually causing some real damage when he has good legs.

he got found out yesterday. lets see if he can react? that would be the mark of a true champion, not just someone with potential to do great things.
hengispod

Re: New GC Outlook after Stage 16

smarauder68 wrote:
Today's stage wasn't conclusive, but we definitely learned some important things moving forward.

1)The Schleck bros are not in form or good enough to win this tour.  For those who spin Andy's loss as a mere problem with descending, remember that he was initially gapped on a Cat 2 climb with avg gradients of 5.2%.  He managed to lose a good 20 seconds on that climb. I have to say, that was the most surprising development of the day for me. I think Andy AND Frank will both miss the podium with dissapointing TT's.

2)Evans is the strongest all-arounder in this tour. If he doesn't win the TT by at least 30 to 45 seconds, I'll be shocked. He may still get dropped in the decisive stages, but nobody is as good as Evans this year on the flats, climbing and descending. I have doubts that anybody will manage to drop him significantly in the coming climbs.

3)If Sanchez hadn't lost 1:24 on the TTT, he'd be a solid co-favorite with Evans. He's been the 2nd most impressive rider of this tour for me.

4)Contador proved that he's been bluffing with that knee BS...He's definitely going to be a beast in stages 18 and 19. I think he needs to have a 45 second lead on Evans after Alp D'Huez to retain yellow the following day.

5)Basso will do no better than 6th or 7th.

6)Cunego will finish no better than 7th or 8th....his best TDF finish.

Likely Top 10:

1)Evans
2)AC.....@1:09
3)Sanchez @ 1:34
4)F.Schleck...@ 3:38
5)A.Schleck...@ 4:20
6)Voekler...@5:35
7)Basso....@5:44
8)Cunego...@6:10
9)Danielson @11:50
10)Uran.....@13:20

I'm expecting to AC to win Stages 18 and 19, but Evans will hang on gamely to maintain his overall lead on AC and then extend it with a brilliant TT.


even worked out the time gaps!

my top 4.

1.contador
2. evans
3. sanchez
4. voeckler
5. a. schleck
Geraint

It was set up for the Schlecks to have a go on the Alps stages. People are lining up to criticise him for not taking control of the race in the second week, but the days of a drug fiend killing off the GC right away are hopefully gone. It was unlucky to get rain on a stage where it was so decisive. Now people are lining up to congratulate Evans on his aggression and attacking instincts, when all he did was capitalise on the weather and being better downhill. Some in the media are already about to crown him. Whether it is AC or AS, I hope someone restores some order to this tour.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Not trying to make excuses for them, but I think the Schlecks have taken it a bit easy in the descents as I imagine that Weylandts death is probably quite fresh in their minds. But you'd think, what more of a tribute could they give him than by winning the Tour.
Severo

Fontfroide wrote:
I remember noting before the Tour that nearly everyone thought A. Schleck would be second.  Then I remember noticing that he had not actually raised his arms since the last Tour, that is, won nothing whatsoever.  I kept reflecting, why is it that so many people were so sure that he would be second, or many even thought first.  I still can't figure it out.  I rather liked a post I saw which said that Andy might win the Tour if there were no descending, time trialling or hills where you had to change gears.  I am beginning to go off the Schlecks big time.  It started on Ventoux, and I have never found a reason to get back on their wagon since.

Maybe they or Andy is going to be the latest "best cyclist to have never won the Tour".  Assuming he can win something else.  Otherwise he is just going to be a constant loser.


He will never be the most winningest rider - even if he puts some TdFs under his belt he will retire with a fairly short palmares. On the other hand, he has won L-B-L which I think 90-odd% of the peloton would take upon retirement.
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bartali wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
There are still only two riders there that are actually capable of riding away on the MTFs - Contador and Junior.  Schleck has too much time to take out of Evans so that means he will either blow up or bottle it.  That leaves Contador v Evans with Sanchez on their heels so I would say that Bartali possibly has it right and no Schleck podium.


Don't write off Basso on the MTF.  Unless yesterday and today break his spirit, he may well surprise a few people if Symd's there to hit the climbs hard from the bottom.


Bart, if he makes up the what? 2 mins deficit to Evans - then puts time into the rest enough to be comfortable at the TT (so what? another 2 mins?) = 4 minutes on 2 MTF... then i will be the first to congratulate him!
Actually i wouldn't mind anyone winning save for Contador.


For the avoidance of doubt, I meant that he had the potential to ride away on one of the MTFs.  Following yesterday, where the parcours worked against him - I no longer think he can win it.  I fear today will be the same.  Clever parcours, but it doesn't suit my boy B.

As for the Schlecks, I have no gripe with the way they rode yesterday, they are just poor descenders and the rain didn't help one bit.  Where I think they are open for criticism is Saturday's stage where they failed to capitalise on a wounded Bertie.  I don't know what was going through their heads, but that's the day they will rue.  

As I've said elsewhere, you shouldn't ride a GT with the aim of getting two riders on the peloton.  Sometimes it just happens (2010 Giro for example), but its no way to ride a Tour.  One brother or the other should have ridden himself into the ground leaving the other to attack when it mattered.  Had they done that, Bertie, TV and Evans (even) might be some way back by now.
smarauder68

Bartali wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bartali wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
There are still only two riders there that are actually capable of riding away on the MTFs - Contador and Junior.  Schleck has too much time to take out of Evans so that means he will either blow up or bottle it.  That leaves Contador v Evans with Sanchez on their heels so I would say that Bartali possibly has it right and no Schleck podium.


Don't write off Basso on the MTF.  Unless yesterday and today break his spirit, he may well surprise a few people if Symd's there to hit the climbs hard from the bottom.


Bart, if he makes up the what? 2 mins deficit to Evans - then puts time into the rest enough to be comfortable at the TT (so what? another 2 mins?) = 4 minutes on 2 MTF... then i will be the first to congratulate him!
Actually i wouldn't mind anyone winning save for Contador.


For the avoidance of doubt, I meant that he had the potential to ride away on one of the MTFs.  Following yesterday, where the parcours worked against him - I no longer think he can win it.  I fear today will be the same.  Clever parcours, but it doesn't suit my boy B.

As for the Schlecks, I have no gripe with the way they rode yesterday, they are just poor descenders and the rain didn't help one bit.  Where I think they are open for criticism is Saturday's stage where they failed to capitalise on a wounded Bertie.  I don't know what was going through their heads, but that's the day they will rue.  

As I've said elsewhere, you shouldn't ride a GT with the aim of getting two riders on the peloton.  Sometimes it just happens (2010 Giro for example), but its no way to ride a Tour.  One brother or the other should have ridden himself into the ground leaving the other to attack when it mattered.  Had they done that, Bertie, TV and Evans (even) might be some way back by now.


Basso reminds me of an old Ford pickup truck...reliable, sturdy, good engine but lacking in explosive power...he's got old legs....But what's Cunego's excuse for not being more spritely???? He's only 29 and didn't ride the giro this year...
Fontfroide

The possible mistake of a top ten which contains the top ten today is that there is always some bloke that escapes or some bloke that has a bad day.  Someone will enter the top ten between now and Paris that is not in now.  Don't ask me who.
smarauder68

Fontfroide wrote:
The possible mistake of a top ten which contains the top ten today is that there is always some bloke that escapes or some bloke that has a bad day.  Someone will enter the top ten between now and Paris that is not in now.  Don't ask me who.


De Weert made the break today and only needs 1:05 to catch Uran for 10th and 2:54 to move past Danielson.  Looks like he'll be 9th in GC after today.
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bartali wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
There are still only two riders there that are actually capable of riding away on the MTFs - Contador and Junior.  Schleck has too much time to take out of Evans so that means he will either blow up or bottle it.  That leaves Contador v Evans with Sanchez on their heels so I would say that Bartali possibly has it right and no Schleck podium.


Don't write off Basso on the MTF.  Unless yesterday and today break his spirit, he may well surprise a few people if Symd's there to hit the climbs hard from the bottom.


Bart, if he makes up the what? 2 mins deficit to Evans - then puts time into the rest enough to be comfortable at the TT (so what? another 2 mins?) = 4 minutes on 2 MTF... then i will be the first to congratulate him!
Actually i wouldn't mind anyone winning save for Contador.


For the avoidance of doubt, I meant that he had the potential to ride away on one of the MTFs.  Following yesterday, where the parcours worked against him - I no longer think he can win it.  I fear today will be the same.  Clever parcours, but it doesn't suit my boy B.

As for the Schlecks, I have no gripe with the way they rode yesterday, they are just poor descenders and the rain didn't help one bit.  Where I think they are open for criticism is Saturday's stage where they failed to capitalise on a wounded Bertie.  I don't know what was going through their heads, but that's the day they will rue.  

As I've said elsewhere, you shouldn't ride a GT with the aim of getting two riders on the peloton.  Sometimes it just happens (2010 Giro for example), but its no way to ride a Tour.  One brother or the other should have ridden himself into the ground leaving the other to attack when it mattered.  Had they done that, Bertie, TV and Evans (even) might be some way back by now.



Fair play.. i hope he does animate it on the MTFs.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Trouble with the Schlecks and now Contador is that they are playing it too safe, watching each other and banking on the fact that someone like Voeckler has the pressure of the Maillot Jaune and then will drop out and leave it open for them. Well, Voeckler clung on by the skin of his teeth and I hope he does so for the next 3 days. A Frenchman in Yellow in Paris - that would just be superb and two fingers to the Schlecks and Contador, I can just hear their pitiful excuses already!!!!
Bartali

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
A Frenchman in Yellow in Paris - that would just be superb ...

Hell no ... that's almost as bad as Wales winning the Six Nations!  (No offence Kathy, Huw ...)
nicedommie

Bartali wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
A Frenchman in Yellow in Paris - that would just be superb ...

Hell no ... that's almost as bad as Wales winning the Six Nations!  (No offence Kathy, Huw ...)


and almost as unlikely
Guiness

Laughing  Laughing
Geraint

Still a lot of racing. Still a lot of time for chipmunk whiner to blow up on a climb. Ajde Andy Very Happy
MAILLOT JAUNE

Come on guys, can we not embrass a potential French winner of a french race???????
I can't think of anything better except for the two Schlecks to fall out off contention.
Voeclker deserves it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But then again, to a certain extent. so does Evans. He hasn't sat and waited, he's made an effort to try and make a difference in the GC. I never thought I'd say this, but, chapeau to Evans. Eeeech, his voice is grating but at least he's had the balls to attack - even though it doesn't sound like it when he's interviewed.
Bartali

I'd have no complaints with an Evans win - he's rode well this last two years. Entirely neutral as to Voeckler, though it does bemuse me how all the pundits are talking about how he 'deserves' it whereas Oscar P was just a lucky opportunist.  Personally I find the Shreks frustrating ... but ultimately whoever wins this one will have deserved it IMO.
smarauder68

Bartali wrote:
Well I'll disagree ... Basso to finish higher than 6th!

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.


Basso finished 8th!

Cunego 7th....both performed admirably in the Alps but neither could muster an attack...then the TT exposed another glaring weakness for both...
Bartali

smarauder68 wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Well I'll disagree ... Basso to finish higher than 6th!

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.


Basso finished 8th!

Cunego 7th....both performed admirably in the Alps but neither could muster an attack...then the TT exposed another glaring weakness for both...


Laughing  Laughing It's a fair cop ... and good predictions on your part.

Now, lets look at that ITT in a bit more detail ...

31 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0:03:38
32 David Millar (GBr) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:03:41
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77 Sylvester Szmyd (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:05:35
78 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Team RadioShack 0:05:38

Damn ... that's another two minutes.  My my, that's nearly an hour!  Embarassed
smarauder68

smarauder68 wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Well I'll disagree ... Basso to finish higher than 6th!

Also, what's the outlook on Levi ... I didn't see him in Scott's post, but I read something about Cunego finishing in the top ten.


Basso finished 8th!

Cunego 7th....both performed admirably in the Alps but neither could muster an attack...then the TT exposed another glaring weakness for both...


I sincerely hope Levi has a real ailment...if not, I have lost a great deal of respect for him not trying harder...we both know, he pedals circles around 95% of the peleton in ITT's when healthy...
Bartali

In all seriousness I guess he wasn't on top 5 form form for the ITT so just went through the motions ...
berck

Well,  Levi did fall off the bike twice during the tour. Or was it three times for Crash??? Wink
smarauder68

berck wrote:
Well,  Levi did fall off the bike twice during the tour. Or was it three times for Crash??? Wink


He fell 3 times in the first week and lost 7 minutes quite early on....But he came back to ride decent on in Stage 18 and 19....He obviously mailed in his ITT and that is something that far too many(Gesink, Kreuziger) get away with....If their heart's not in it, they should get the fuck outta there.
kathy

Berto has said in the Spanish press that he won't be doing the Giro next year, but he will be back at the Tour to win!
mazda

A bit of pride dented perhaps ?

Also an admission that he doesn't think he can do a Giro / TdF double.

Is the Giro another tough one next year then ?
Boogerd_Fan

smarauder68 wrote:
berck wrote:
Well,  Levi did fall off the bike twice during the tour. Or was it three times for Crash??? Wink


He fell 3 times in the first week and lost 7 minutes quite early on....But he came back to ride decent on in Stage 18 and 19....He obviously mailed in his ITT and that is something that far too many(Gesink, Kreuziger) get away with....If their heart's not in it, they should get the fuck outta there.



totally missing the point that its actually an accomplishment even to finish a race like the Tour.

mailing it in? Levi should've been happy - assuming leadership of the team without having to really fight for it thanks to everyone else falling off! And he STILL couldnt do something. Waste of space better go back to US racing, where he still has a chance to keep up with the GC contenders.
kathy

mazda wrote:


Also an admission that he doesn't think he can do a Giro / TdF double.
?


That's the gist of what he said, yes.
Bartali

mazda wrote:
Is the Giro another tough one next year then ?


The Giro's always a tough one!   Wink
smarauder68

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
berck wrote:
Well,  Levi did fall off the bike twice during the tour. Or was it three times for Crash??? Wink


He fell 3 times in the first week and lost 7 minutes quite early on....But he came back to ride decent on in Stage 18 and 19....He obviously mailed in his ITT and that is something that far too many(Gesink, Kreuziger) get away with....If their heart's not in it, they should get the fuck outta there.

totally missing the point that its actually an accomplishment even to finish a race like the Tour.
mailing it in? Levi should've been happy - assuming leadership of the team

without having to really fight for it thanks to everyone else falling off! And

he STILL couldnt do something. Waste of space better go back to US racing, where he still has a chance to keep up with the GC contenders.



It just irks me when athletes go thru the motions...he was clearly recovered from his scrapes and put in a super slow time when he probably coulda contended for a top 5...
Mrs John Murphy

He's got no heart or guts that's his problem. As soon as the chips are down he folds.
Bartali

... he needs to take some lessons from that bloke Cunego.  Beaten into second place in the ToS, but bounces right back with a very credible 7th place in the Tour! Smile
Mrs John Murphy

He's just a soft american cyclist - can't handle a little bit of adversity. Is he some sort of girlyman metrosexual? He should stick to the micky mouse races like California, Utah and Gila.

Like you say, he needs to take lessons from the likes of Basso, Cunego, Voeckler and Andy Schleck on toughing it out.
Fontfroide

Mrs John Murphy wrote:


some sort of girlyman metrosexual?


Wink
Severo

mazda wrote:
A bit of pride dented perhaps ?

Also an admission that he doesn't think he can do a Giro / TdF double.

Is the Giro another tough one next year then ?


Riis's dream of a Giro-Tour-Vuelta triple also look a bit daft.
Biosphere

Severo wrote:
mazda wrote:
A bit of pride dented perhaps ?

Also an admission that he doesn't think he can do a Giro / TdF double.

Is the Giro another tough one next year then ?


Riis's dream of a Giro-Tour-Vuelta triple also look a bit daft.


I think that was just Riis trying to play a bit of psychological politics with the governing bodies by floating the suggestion that Contador was going to attempt something amazing that would boost the popularity of cycling no end and everyone benefits, but if he's banned . . .

A few months later, Saxo were even back tracking on the Giro participation while they were trying to assess their Tour options.
Mrs John Murphy

More bad news for the quitter

Maybe someone had his lunchbag flushed down the toilet which is why he sucked so much and he didn't have the guts or the talent to compete when riding clean.
Slapshot 3

Maybe Bottle has finally bottled and gone running to the Feds!
Bartali

Interesting!!

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