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SlowRower

New gadget

I acquired myself a Garmin Forerunner 405CX yesterday. My ancient 105 gave up the ghost recently and I was getting data-withdrawal symptoms whilst out running. This one has a heart rate monitor built in as well, plus a compass. It also has the capability to load up daily workouts from the Garmin website.

I say capability, as it's so f-ing complicated that despite an hour of dedicated manual reading last night, I've only just worked out how to switch the damned thing on. It might turn out to be no more than a very large, expensive watch, though if the manual is to be believed then it does everything bar actually turning the pedals for me. Smile
SlowRower

Works OK. 3 user-definable displays is "Anorak Heaven". Doesn't make running any easier though.

Next task is to interface with Garmin HQ and plot everything on a map. This serves no obvious logical purpose (I know where I went and I know that my heart rate shot up on the climbs Smile) but if Garmin have gone to the trouble of developing the technology, it would be rude not to use it!
headwind

i use garmin connect

http://connect.garmin.com/

by hte way, the gadget aspect is hard to deny. However, as i return to old courses I do, I can compare results and see where i struggle, where I improve etc.

hw
thunderthighs

hope you ride faster...ciao
SlowRower

Headwind - I've changed my mind about Garmin Connect. It is "Anorak Heaven" with attitude. The function that plots your progress round the map, elevation profile and heart rate profile is superb. Next time I need to set my autolap distance to more than 1km. 90 intervals to anaylse today was too much!

TT - Thanks! I live in hope, but expectations are low. Sad
CapeRoadie

I know all the roads I ride, and when I find new ones, I enjoy the mystery of not knowing.
SlowRower

Cape - It is definitely just a gadget and of minimal use in the quest to go faster.

I did achieve a "VAM" of 960m/hour today over a 2k sustained climb without getting out of breath, which bodes well. Without the Garmin, I'd have guaged the slope at 10%, and deluded myself into thinking I could climb like Alberto Contador, as it was only actually an average of 7.5%. Sad
Boogerd_Fan

I'm thinking of blowing my work bonus on a Garmin 500... is it 230 EUR well spent?

I want to combine regular comp data + GPS map loading + HRM in one device to keep it simple.. this looked like as good as it gets... any advices?


edit - i mean a Garmin Edge 500
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I'm thinking of blowing my work bonus on a Garmin 500... is it 230 EUR well spent?

I want to combine regular comp data + GPS map loading + HRM in one device to keep it simple.. this looked like as good as it gets... any advices?


edit - i mean a Garmin Edge 500


I think a friend had issues with map loading and licensing. I'm half remembering, but it was all quite restrictive from what I do remember. I'll ask for a reminder. This was with the latest Garmin that came out a bit before Xmas. I'm not sure if that's the 500.

I should have found out more before posting really . . .  Rolling Eyes
MAILLOT JAUNE

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I'm thinking of blowing my work bonus

Bonus????????? Are you a banker boogie????? Wink
Boogerd_Fan

MJ only a 'rabo' banker Very Happy

Not a banker in reality, but i do enjoy this time of year when 13th salary comes around.

maybe bonus was wrong word, it linked me to all the fuss over these CEOs in the carribbean while their US company sinks in the market.

That Garmin Edge 500 has got me hooked. Just found a local reseller with a 220 EUR price tag - i just want something that will do everything Very Happy without me having to think about it.


Bio - what do you mean by licensing?
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bio - what do you mean by licensing?


The maps that you load onto the GPS - OS type maps and the like. He was being quite restricted.

The friend I was going to ask is heading off to the Ardennes for 10 days (why anyone would want to go to the rough end of Belgium in April is beyond me Wink ), so it may be a while before I get an answer back. He had an earlier Garmin too and I think that was part of the problem (fighting with one another when connected to PC for an update).

Maybe ask on Garmin forums if other users have issues with map loading. Will post back once I get an update. I'm being quite useless here by telling you there are possible problems, but being all vague about it  Embarassed
Me, a fan?

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I'm thinking of blowing my work bonus on a Garmin 500... is it 230 EUR well spent?

I want to combine regular comp data + GPS map loading + HRM in one device to keep it simple.. this looked like as good as it gets... any advices?


edit - i mean a Garmin Edge 500


If you want to upload maps for navigation purposes the edge 500 will not suit your needs.  It only tracks your position by gps for plotting on a map after downloading.  No map or coordinates while riding.  May seem a little strange I know, but I think their main intent with this model was to provide as many bells and whistles as possible in as small a package as possible.

If that isn't a deal-breaker for you, it's a great computer.  It's nice to be able to display whatever data fields you prefer on the screen (1-8 of them, totally customizable).  You can toggle between 3 different pages of your custom programmed data fields.  

Things I like:  speed can be either gps measured or with speed sensor, has altitude and ascent, wireless powermeter compatible, like 30 or 40 different items to choose from to display...

Thor would like you to buy one, and if you trust these guys:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/reviews/garmin-edge-500-gps-review
berck

I have the 305, and I'm on my third one. The first two had issues, and the third one seems to be working fine. Garmin has had issues with the power connection and the jolting on the bike will cause it to fail at some point. The bonus has been that their support has been great and they easily replace it.

Not sure if the 500 has fixed this problem or not. Other than that issue, I love using my 305. I bought a backup battery for the long rides (10+ hours). The battery sits in the bento box on the top tube during those rides.

The 500 is missing the map feature of the 305, but I never use that feature anyway. The 305's map feature is pretty poor. The 705 had much better map features and I could definitely see using those on a mountain bike ride, or unknown areas I ride. Many rides don't give you the map until you show up, so its a bit useless for those unless you have a computer with you to insert it before you leave.

Things to note.
1) GPS distance will not be the same as what you get with a normal bike computer. If you're in an area that is very open and fairly straight roads, they will nearly match. Once you get into an area that has lots of switchbacks, tree coverage, etc, this will affect the distance. I've seen differences of 0.25 to 1.0 miles on every 100 miles. The GPS has always shown less distance.
2) The cadence sensor probably helps, but I already got that with the bike computer I use as a back up. While going down the road, you can see the speed fluctuating while traveling under trees, while the bike computer has you locked on the speed.
Boogerd_Fan

Bio - thx for the explanation however vague it was Smile

Me A Fan? / Berck - great tips.

I ordered today from a local retailer.

I don't want to know where I am on the ride itself (typical sat nav function), but would appreciate a time saver when uploading my ride to mapmyride after the event. Also going on 100's, its very easy to not remember which turn you took at km 34 for example Very Happy

I also have never stepped up beyond a cheap cateye in terms of cyclo-comp, so wanted to combine something i can use for GPS tracking as well as HRM footage, in one unit. This seemed to fit that profile and add a few extra bells and whistles with the cadence meter.

I'm not sure how satellite coverage is over Bratislava and surrounding area, so as you state Berck, i'll likely take 'classic' data from the sensors and let the GPS to just draw a nice map on the internet afterwards Very Happy
behemoth

Hey Berck, I think I might have the same problem with the 305.  Occasionally it will just turn off in the middle of a ride, and when I turn it back on (when I eventually realize it is off), the stats get completely hosed.  Very annoying.  My "up" button also stopped working, which is okay for most things because you can use the down button and wrap around.
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bio - thx for the explanation however vague it was Smile


Now that I have the details, I see that you don't need them as you're not that concerned about real time mapping. Laughing

Even if you were it's not a problem until you get second Garmin. Basically (for others that might be interested)  he had a 705 and European maps from Garmin. He then added an 805 to his collection as he has all the UK OS maps and it introduced support for those. However, because the Garmin maps were tied to the 705 (a DRM type situation) he couldn't use on the 805 initially, but he found a work around.

This guy is very serious about the mapping side, and had made his own digital maps for the GPS for his upcoming Ardennes visit. He basically pre-makes his maps in advance for wherever he goes, so he doesn't fit the typical user profile which is probably why he ran into DRM issues!

All this talk of Garmins has me hankering after one. If only they hadn't dishonoured the rainbow jersey, I might give in Wink
Boogerd_Fan

I should add i went with the black/white edition, so as not to go for those "team" colours. Trying to distance myself from Team Garmin as much as possible Very Happy
Me, a fan?

No need for a backup battery with the 500, I think I get over 20 hours.  It's display give a percentage of juice remaining.  No jarring problems for me.  It's one of my favorite gadgets.

I only wish they made it in argyle.  Very Happy
berck

Boogerd_Fan wrote:

I'm not sure how satellite coverage is over Bratislava and surrounding area, so as you state Berck, i'll likely take 'classic' data from the sensors and let the GPS to just draw a nice map on the internet afterwards Very Happy


Thats how I use mine too. I pull the GPS data into a mapping program and view away... Smile

behemoth wrote:
Hey Berck, I think I might have the same problem with the 305.  Occasionally it will just turn off in the middle of a ride, and when I turn it back on (when I eventually realize it is off), the stats get completely hosed.  Very annoying.  My "up" button also stopped working, which is okay for most things because you can use the down button and wrap around.


If you're within warranty, send it back. If not, search around. There are a number of sites that talk about repairing the power connection. As far as the up/down buttons, I had the same problem with the first unit that got replaced.

Me, a fan? wrote:
No need for a backup battery with the 500, I think I get over 20 hours.  It's display give a percentage of juice remaining.  No jarring problems for me.  It's one of my favorite gadgets.


Other than the power issue I've had on the previous 305 models, I love mine too. Just not the same battery life. I get 10-11 hours without using HR or cadence. I've been told it drops to about 6-8 hours if I do.

I like the look, size and weight of the 500. The mounting bracket doesn't look as strong to me though.
Guiness

CapeRoadie wrote:
I know all the roads I ride, and when I find new ones, I enjoy the mystery of not knowing.


Bring it on Cape. Not a fun of all these gadgets. My head otherwise just sees the Garmin or the bloody tarmac rather than the scenary. Call me an old fool but I don't have a sat nav either. I stick to old-fashioned maps.

And don't get me started on microwaves.... hate those things.

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