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My Sunday Ride

I am doing this Sportive this sunday!!!

Looks very good, I will tell you more about it on monday!!!

http://www.kilotogo.com/ridgeroute.htm
headwind

Allez allez allez berg!!
Slapshot

Very Happy Very Happy
crash48

Shite berg, you should be doing the Archer GP Sportif in the chilterns.

A lot closer to travel for you as well.

It does the same course as the Archer GP which is a UK premier League race, and its climb after climb including whiteleaf twice (or Peters lane).

I train on the same course so I should hve no excuses come sunday.
Slapshot

do you have a link or more info???

Is it this sunday????

this is my plan for the next few weeks.

Sunday 5th the one above
Sunday 19th http://www.kilotogo.com/gogmagog.htm
Saturday 1st of sept http://www.larra-larrau.com
Sunday 16th of Sept http://www.kentcyclosportive.co.uk
Sunday 30th of Sept http://www.kilotogo.com/hertsandessex.htm
headwind

holy crap berg...thats some epic stuff you have planned!! that larrau ride looks wild! you fly or drive back there?
Slapshot

I am flying there the day before, like in the Quebrantahuesos, is 7 of us going, including my 2 brothers, which I am planning to beat again!!!!!

I canīt wait for it, is going to be real hard!!!!!
kellyrocheearly

you'll be in great shape after all that lot!
Slapshot

hopefully!!!!
crash48

Its this sunday.

Its under the cyclesport.org website.

Pitty.

I might do the kent ride.
Slapshot

yeah! do it!!!!
Bartali

GO BERG' !!!! GO CRASH !!!!

I'm mighty envious! Hope you both have a great ride!
sheeponabike

fuck me - if I was 22 again....
crash48

Bartali

You could have just warmed up with a ride to Great Misseden for the start of the Archer sportif, if it wasn't for bloody wankers who can't see bikes.
Bartali

... and now I can't even drive there - ha ha! have a great ride!!!
crash48

It's going to be hot-30 degrees.

The hotter the better, well for me anyway.
kellyrocheearly

hate the heat, cant handle it over 30 degrees
crash48

The only problem is getting enough drink into you.

Most of these sportifs and a lot of the races I do only have three feed stops, and you need so much more water in you when it is that warm.

Its not like the 'better half' likes to drive around a race course and hand me food and drink.

Bloody selfish if you ask me Wink
kellyrocheearly

was reading an article about hydration and this sports doctor was saying most amatuer cyclists dont drink enough for that very reason. He was saying in a 3 hour race or really hard ride you should be drinking 3 bottles an hour and pouring another over you to cool down.
headwind

kellyrocheearly wrote:
hate the heat, cant handle it over 30 degrees


over 25 and Im in trouble. its 93F here today....andf instead of riding which i should be doing Im cleaning the last basque mud and gravel out of tht chain and off the pipes!
bbnaz

pish posh....good thing y'all don't live here in the desert. here is our forecast for today:

.TODAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY THIS MORNING...BECOMING PARTLY SUNNY. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS 100 TO 105. (38-41c)

and don't believe it about the showers although we remain ever hopeful!
crash48

agreed kelly

A 5 hour race in heat requires a shite load of water, and most of the time there is now way of getting it all unless you hide it along the route or have support.

bbnaz

I know all about the heat, as I am from country Australia and it hits the 40's alot. Mind you where you are it might be the same every day for the whole year.

It's a dry heat in the desert isn't it Wink I had to say it.

In the UK there is always a village somewhere to fill up and get food and water-which is great. Back home you can be bloody miles from it if you are out in the 'bush', which can pose some serious problems at times.

You can always wear a camelback I guess, but that would ruin my cool look Rolling Eyes
Slapshot

I hate heat too, I am a "wet" cyclist, love when is raining, not cold tho.

Best weather betweem 15-20šC and cloudy.
headwind

bergaretxebe wrote:
I hate heat too, I am a "wet" cyclist, love when is raining, not cold tho.

Best weather betweem 15-20šC and cloudy.


EXACTLY!
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
kellyrocheearly wrote:
hate the heat, cant handle it over 30 degrees


over 25 and Im in trouble. its 93F here today....andf instead of riding which i should be doing Im cleaning the last basque mud and gravel out of tht chain and off the pipes!


The geologist with his gravel... Smile
bbnaz

Yes he loves his rocks but don't call soil dirt.......... Wink
kellyrocheearly

bergaretxebe wrote:
I hate heat too, I am a "wet" cyclist, love when is raining, not cold tho.

Best weather betweem 15-20šC and cloudy.


my idea of race day heaven with a bit of wind too for crosswinds
crash48

Well I am glad that badboy is over.

110 miles, 2800 meters of climbing (typical british walls with nothing over 2 km but gradients up to 20 percent), most of the ride in the sun.

Did it in 5 hours and 28 mins. Got into a group of 20 riders for the first 3 hours and just let them drag me through at very fast pace, which was great fun. The hills were no problem when your sheltered on the flat. Of course when that group blew up and we had 8 riders left, entry was by invite only. No turns at the front no entry, so they got their pound of flesh and I got my legs ripped off and our pace droped off a fair bit, due to lack of cooperation, or more to the point lack of energy. They were nice and let me suck wheels ( as they could have gone harder I reckon)for the last 30 mins which saved me a shite load of time.

After riding in France two weeks ago, the short sharp climbs were really hard-give me 21 km 7 percent climbs anyday rather than those monsters. I also have not riden that far in a couple of months.

Don't want to go near a bike for a while, and I reckon I will be very drunk very quickly tonight when I head out.
kellyrocheearly

Well done Crash, thats a pretty fast time with all the climbing
bbnaz

Chapeau Crash!
headwind

well done crash. enjoy the drunk!

hw
chasm

crash48 wrote:
Well I am glad that badboy is over.

110 miles, 2800 meters of climbing (typical british walls with nothing over 2 km but gradients up to 20 percent), most of the ride in the sun.

Did it in 5 hours and 28 mins. ....

After riding in France two weeks ago, the short sharp climbs were really hard-give me 21 km 7 percent climbs anyday rather than those monsters. I also have not riden that far in a couple of months.

Don't want to go near a bike for a while, and I reckon I will be very drunk very quickly tonight when I head out.


Good effort, crash. I'm pretty knackered myself tonight having done an 85 mile, 1800 metres of climbing, 24c/80f sportive. Worst hill was 4.5km, 345m climbing with alternating shallow and very severe gradients.

Because of work and other commitments it was my first time on the bike in a month, and I suffered: took me 6 hours and my pal had to pace me for the last 15 miles or so.

Still, an excellent pipe-opener for my Scottish tour, which starts tomorrow! Hooray!
Slapshot

Very well done Crash and Chasm!!!!

My ride, well, 100mile 2,000 elevation, not much really and very spread. Time??? Crap, 5:58. It was all good for about 3/4 of the sportive, but after the last feed station with 20 miles to go I couldnīt give anymore, I think having spent 5hrs indoor climbing on sat has something to do with it too. In the last feed St. couldnīt eat anything, my body wont take it, and my feet were baked, that was the worse part, very painfull couldnīt stand up!!!!!! I had to empty two bottles of water on them to cool them down!!!! Any way, I finished it which is what counts!!!!!

BTW my strap for the Garmin Edge 305 must be wrong, cos when I loaded the data says that my heart when up to 238bpm at one point!!!! (that is just impossible)

P.D there is a quite good sportive on the 26th of august doing the same route as the pros in the Tour of Britain, stage 3 to be excatly,

Here is the link [url]http://www.ridetheroute.net
[/url] I will be there!!!
Bartali

Well done Berg' Crash and Chasm!!!
headwind

well done Berg. As for the HR...if its just a singular spike, its more an instantaneous data dropout or signal error...Ive had grades as high as 60% on occasion!

hw
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Here is the graphic of my heart! (which must be wrong)


headwind

something looks odd...over that effort to not have an avg over 100 seems unsusal. you might put on hr strap and check your pulse by hand or with a different type of machine (at many pharmacies here they have free blood pressure and HR machines).

let me know.

hw
headwind

can you plot the elevation profile with the HR record to see how correlated they are?
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they are not, I have checked that already.

With that hr profile my heart should have exploded, IMO. Thank god it didnīt
headwind

what makes you say that berg. looks alot like what I see, only 30 beats on ave higher!
forza_petacchi

And in one of the troughs you went down to 50 bpm..what's your resting HR?
Slapshot

The graph is on HR Max %, not bpm, that is why I am saying that is wrong, my heart at 120% of its capacity???

My resting hr is normally around 52-54
headwind

heres my hr from the jaizkibel. i ws pegged on the main climb starting mile 23. it really hurt me.

headwind

Ok, I didnt see the % max. it is odd. Have you recently done something like a critical power test to see where your max right now is? that doesnt look like an odd spike since it lasted for some distance. that said, it wouldnt sirprise me if there was a data recording error. one of the folks on my trip had a similar thing where he spent a bunch of time 200+ bpm.

Ive never hit that level in all my use of this, so Im not sure.
headwind

bergaretxebe wrote:
The graph is on HR Max %, not bpm, that is why I am saying that is wrong, my heart at 120% of its capacity???

My resting hr is normally around 52-54


max?
Slapshot

headwind wrote:
bergaretxebe wrote:
The graph is on HR Max %, not bpm, that is why I am saying that is wrong, my heart at 120% of its capacity???

My resting hr is normally around 52-54


max?


No idea. Never done the test!!
kellyrocheearly

if your resting heart rate is 52-54 you might have a fairly high maximum, maybe in the 190's?
just find a hill and ride as hard as you can for as long as you can until you feel like youre gonna be sick and see what your heart rate peaks at. That'll give you a close idea of your maximum.
headwind

exactly KRE.

What the % is from garmin is likely taken your previous high bpm and taking that as a default. You need to go in there and set up your HR zones, based on max.

For max, I would do like this:

get out and ride for an hour or two so you are well warmed up, keep it at an easy to light pace, with the last block of 5 mins or so heading to tempo pace.

be sure to end up this block at a place where you can ride hard for 10-15 minutes without stopping.

let your HR settle down then get ina solid block of high exertion ramping up through your zones. Easy and light for a for a few minutes, then 5 good minutes of solid tempo pace, leaving 5 minutes or so to get to threshold and anaerobic threshold...that last bit is real work you should be hammering through threshold and then go for it until you really hit exhaustion...that'll be your max HR. Do the same thing a month later and see if its about the same...never know...definitely best to don this on a day you feel good. you can set up your HR zones based on the max.

hw
crash48

chasm

Mate that is a good bloody time for just a couple of riders and hardly any preperation. The difference of having a group to ride in is massive, and you always go faster in an actual event or a planned ride-rather than training.

It sounds like the last 15 kms was all down to not being on the bike for awhile.

That is going to be good training for your next outing.

Berg

What do you reckon the feet problem was all about? The time is still good-bet you beat the vast majority of riders home.

You have to force some food in you-it sounds like you paid the price for not eating. You just have to make your mind decide you are going to eat.

Bloody climbing the day before is not exactly going to help. Shocked

I still reckon I did not get enough food and drink in me, but at times the simple task of reaching around to get food out of your pocket while trying to hold on to a wheel can be so hard.
Slapshot

I donīt think the food was the problem.

Night before had a huge plate of pasta. Breakfast, cereals, black coffe, youghurt, banana.

before the race 2 chocolate croissants(prob wrong spelled) and a energy bar.

before the first feed st. another bar and a carbo gel.

at the fed.st banana and flapjack plus energy drink.

then beetwen the fed.st and the2nd one another energy drink and more carbo gel

2nd fed.st more flapjack and energy drink and took another banana for a few miles later

then banana and energy bar.

and when I got to the 3rd fed.st couldnīt eat anything else, I tried but I couldnīt. and all with plenty of water.

The feet I think it was cos of the heat, it has never happened to me before, the shoes are not new, and is not cos of the distance as Iīve done that sort of distance many times before, so the only thing I can think of is the heat.
crash48

Yeah sounds like there was plently of food.

Maybe you also used a lot of energy the day before climbing.

The heat does some like it took its toll-bloody wet weather basques Very Happy

So given the meltdown, it was a really good time. We all have bad days.
Slapshot

I think it was a mix of everything.

The climbing the day before, waking up at 5am and drive 2 hrs to the starting place, the heat. As you say, I rather wet than roasted!!!!

The good thing is that we learn from this situations, although we never know when we are going to face it again.

I am planing to write, with everyone that wants to help, "The 10 commandments of an Sportive Cyclist"
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Here is my HR from yesterday ride, again, it has to be wrong, the HR doesnīt tied up with the elevation at all!!!! going downhill my heart was pumping at 220bpm!!!!!


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