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Milan-Sanremo: Saturday, 19th March 2016

Back to the traditional Saturday this year. Placeholder FP thread here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra230965.php#230965
Biosphere

Warm and sunny today. No hint of extreme weather Smile
Biosphere

Sister in law is 40 today. Being dragged off for that this afternoon Sad

Have just seen this. Wondering if it's real and what it means . . . ?

Quote:
We're hearing some reports of a landslide on a section of the course. Not much more than that at the moment but we'll bring you news as we receive it.
HuwB

Yes, there has been a rockfall in your old stomping ground area, Bio:

https://twitter.com/meridaproroad/status/711138396010364928

Clearly impassible, so they are looking for an alternate route, rather than race cancellation. Wink  Laughing





BOTD:-
Gediminas Bagdonas (AG2R La Mondiale) Serghei Tvetcov (Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec) Mirco Maestri (Bardiani-CSF) Jan Barta (Bora-Argon 1Cool Adrian Kurek (CCC Sprandi Polkowice) Roger Kluge (IAM Cycling) Matteo Bono (Lampre-Merida) Samuele Conti (Southeast-Venezuela) Maarten Tjallingii (Lotto NL-Jumbo) Andrea Peron (Novo Nordisk) Marco Coledan (Trek-Segafredo)


The race unfortunately classes with the Wales v Italy match. (great fixture planning there by the IRB)

I've also already lost my carefully planned Ronde day to a wedding anniversary lunch I could well do without.

Monumentally bad timing, one could say.
HuwB

Talk of a detour of 9kms on a section of motorway and once again, the Turchino climb may be cut out as a result.

Truly the sprinter's classic in recent editions.
HuwB

Doesn't look good:

Biosphere

Detour is after Voltri so an inconsequential stretch of coastal road is replaced with an inconsequential stretch of autostrada.
HuwB

Two injured, one critical.
Hardly surprising, looking at those cars.
Biosphere

I'm on the phone at the moment. Hadn't spotted the car Sad
gerry12ie

Just what the peloton needs after 260k - a few lungfuls of flare smoke Evil or Very Mad
Still, it's the Tifosi and they are passionate so nobody should really mind too much Rolling Eyes
gerry12ie

I have had anaesthetics that were more exciting than that race. Still, a nice surprise win by a guy (and team) who is clearly in top form.  As FF will surely say - cocorico!
Slapshot 3

Demare....who'd a thunk it! This kid Gaviria looks like he has a shed load of talent!
Fontfroide

COCORICO

And Bouhanni was almost there too.  Gears?


Oh yes, I even wrote this before I saw Gerry's post predicting.  It is embarrassing to be so predictable, but I guess I am.  Sadly I tend feel closer kinship with Bouhanni, even if he verges on "dickheadedness" fairly often.
HuwB

It is raced in Italy, it is a monument, yet I have little or no love of it.
Even less action than the normal on the Poggio and a top 10 that more resembles a HC race.

Glad Demare has got his mojo back.
Gaviria gutted.
That's about it.
Boogerd_Fan

Gaviria conveniently took out Sagan from being perfectly placed to follow Demare/Swift's move (i.e. veering left to avoid crashing, it opened the space for the winning sprint line to form).

Unlucky, because it was a very good tactical race from Peto until last 300m, even to be on Gaviria's shoulder going into the sprint was perfect position (in theory).

Kristoff without Paolini to power down the Poggio and put him back into contention on Via Roma = only good enough to come around the fading sprinters for 5th/6th?
HuwB

It's all happening today, after this was tweeted, just after midnight:-

https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/711452790619508737

Riders, including, wait for it.................................................Fabian Cancellara, are now demanding the release of his SRM files.
Demare to appear on French tv this afternoon, presumably on Stade 2 to address the accusation.

I had wondered how he had managed to find himself on the rear of the peloton, after being over 30 seconds off the rear, in the space of the Cipressa.
Bartali

Umm .. why am I not surprised.  Matthews looked comfortable on the Cipressa tucked in neatly behind his team car for what looked like a long climb too.

If he ends up being disqualified (which he won't) Swift will pick up a monument!! Smile
Fontfroide

Demare was asked on Stade 2 if he had anything to say to the accusations of hanging onto the cars to get back on, put forth by Tossato and some other Italian rider.

He claimed he got plenty of help, also from Orica, with Matthews.

He also said it was a bit of bitterness from the two Italians who made the claim because some young French guy stole their race.  Claimed the commissaires were around observing.  Claimed his data is on Strava and it showed that none of the speeds were high.

It should also be remembered that all the commentary I saw claimed the race never took off, that the pace was not high enough to burn off anyone.  "Everyone" never got dropped.  At least no drug claims.

Voila.
Fontfroide

This is the story from cycling news.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/d...mo-data-file-deleted-from-strava/
Boogerd_Fan

His strava data shows (edit: showed) 45-50kmph for the last KM of the Cipressa, which OK is not the steepest part, but with the cadence data of approx. 100rpm, he'd need to be in 53x15 to get that sort of speed from pedalling his bike.

That's crazy fast, in the last KM of a 4km climb, after the steep bit had already been knocked off at some ridiculous speed... 30kmph+

/edit: still, it was only about 20s faster than the rest of the peloton though, those guys do some crazy speeds.
Bartali

But its nor 'just' the speed ... its that Demare, not known for his climbing prowess, could out climb a raging Visconti.

Now whether or not he held on, he (and others) clearly got a lot of assistance from the cars and that, my friends, is cheating every bit as much as Nibali dis in Spain.  Here the commissionaires thought it reasonable for the riders to be 'assisted' back to the peloton after the crash ... but thats not always the case and that is what needs fixing.
Biosphere

A good piece on it here

http://inrng.com/2016/03/demare-cipressa-conspiracy-theories/

Drafting in cars is nothing like hanging on to a wing mirror and waving a cheeky arriverdeci as the driver floors the pedal and the other cyclists stop pedalling in a WTF moment Laughing  Laughing

How the race was won.

http://vimeo.com/159805601
Fontfroide

A very good piece indeed.  We should all read it before we carry on.

Bartali….  No rules are ever utterly clear.  Nothing is ever "sorted out".  What happens is that human beings, even experts with much experience do the best they can, mistakes might be evaluated and learned from, and then another attempt at clarity is made to "sort things out".  No rule can ever be made which does not have within it some ambiguity, and later will be found to not fit a "borderline problem".  Although I think rules should be enforced in sport.  So I agree with you.  

Anyway, I am delighted that so far, no one at all has suggested Demare doped.  Just that he might have held onto a car.  Perhaps a change in the air with cycling.  So glad not to read about doping, just whether he held on to a car for "too long" or "too much".

And why people think that the Cipressa or the Poggio are "climbs" that are somehow beyond the capacity of punchers or sprinters to go up fast is beyond me.  I have often seen sprinters or punchers climb it faster than climbers, especially if they were not in front on their own, but could hide behind various other riders as they climbed.  

They do go up those "climbs" at a totally furious rate of knots.  Even though this year, it seemed a little less frantic.
gerry12ie

That's a very good piece on INRNG.  Did he take a lift?  Probably - at some stage.  Did it make a difference?  Probably - a bit, maybe a little more.  Did he do something that every single pro has done?  Definitely.

I'm sure had the commissars seen something too untoward they would have acted on it.  But if the rest had shown even the slightest aggression on either of the last climbs this would be non-story, so IMO this just sounds like sour grapes from big team riders who are pissed that a smaller team stole their race from them.  

Bart, there are double standards for sure regarding riding behind/with team cars.  It might help if commentators didn't laud the skill and bravery of those who jump from car to car in a frantic chase to get back on in the finale after a mishap.  Of course, those whose speed and judgement are praised are generally big names from big teams.  

He got away with it and gave us all a slight surprise of a finish to an even less ambitious edition of a usually dull race.
Fontfroide

Just got reminded.  Not one person I have read mentioned that Matthews was not far behind Demare at the finish.  Matthews got help from his teammates (and no doubt cars), as Demare get help from Orica (and cars), we have seen at least two photos.  And Matthews recovered enough to finish close.  

True, he didn't win, but was only a tiny bit behind Demare and was in the same crash.  They both rode well.  the more I think about it, the more I get annoyed at grumpy Italians, or at least two of them.
Bartali

Bartali wrote:
Umm .. why am I not surprised.  Matthews looked comfortable on the Cipressa tucked in neatly behind his team car for what looked like a long climb too.


Don't worry FF I have his number too!!
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Umm .. why am I not surprised.  Matthews looked comfortable on the Cipressa tucked in neatly behind his team car for what looked like a long climb too.


Don't worry FF I have his number too!!


You have a lot of work to do, and I am glad you do it.  Just sometimes you are a bit too strict for my taste, even if I agree with you mostly.   Wink

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