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Milan-Sanremo: 22nd March 2015

Though we might as well give this one its own thread.

Last minute FPs here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra224347.php#224347

Last minute Velogames here

http://www.velogames.com/spring-classics/2015/

Nolte wrote:
not to derail the fp thread but i think half of the etixx- quick step team has been fped


Half of me wonders if Lefevere is any more decisive Wink
Fontfroide

Without wishing to take too much space and time with the obvious, this must be the most open race in ages, plenty of picks that are perfectly plausible and yet none of us have had to double up.  None of us has a clue who is going to win.  Mind you that is often the case in the Classics when "everyone" is there.

Is it possible that we are in an era when the old guys are still good, the middle guys are always present and there are a number of young riders who could win any race at all?  That is, an era very rich in riders of high quality, more so than some other times?  

Anyway should provide an utterly fascinating last twenty minutes.  And a scenic relaxing period for those who actually have HD feeds for the cruise along the Med.  The French TV of course has failed to sign a contract, as they also fail for Lombardy.
gerry12ie

Fontfroide wrote:


Is it possible that we are in an era when the old guys are still good, the middle guys are always present and there are a number of young riders who could win any race at all?  That is, an era very rich in riders of high quality, more so than some other times?  



I think that's fairly accurate FF.  Plus, generally there are multiple winners of MSR (Merckx, Zabel, de Vlaeminck, Freire, even Fignon) and there hasn't been one of them in a few years.  So, will Cancellara, Cav or Kristoff double up, or will Sagan finally get off the Monument mark?  I reckon another new name this year, but we will see.

As a race it will rarely be ever about anything more than the last 20 minutes though..
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
As a race it will rarely be ever about anything more than the last 20 minutes though..


True in one sense, but it's the "warm-up" of the first 280km that gives the last 20 minutes their tension Smile

I feel like it's going to be a repeat winner this year.

From CNs live ticker
Quote:
Speaking of the Via Roma, this morning’s Gazzetta dello Sport carries an evocative piece from Marco Pastonesi, who combines a walking tour of the famous street with some historical flavour and insight. The slope in the road, he writes is “imperceptible by foot, at 4kph, but decisive on pedals, after 292.5km at an average of 45kph.” It certainly caught out Alessandro Petacchi in 2004, when the overwhelming favourite opened his sprint too soon and was passed by Erik Zabel, Stuart O'Grady and eventual winner Oscar Freire in the final 100 metres.
Boogerd_Fan

more info from CN live ticket that's important (for me at least)...

...headwind @ Poggio. Sad

Tinkoff deciding not to join in the break..so they are accepting their role with Katusha as being peloton marshalls today.
Biosphere

The climb is quite sheltered in places and it's maybe not really a headwind looking at the latest weather forecast. Sort of a tail wind for the descent and run in so swings and roundabouts. It's most likely going to be wet though. Probably good for someone who likes training on windy coastal roads in Norway.

Nolte

i think that is a good summarisation by ff

i also think leferve lurks here, must have taken trentin out when he saw that trentin was fped :d
CapeRoadie

Fontfroide wrote:
Without wishing to take too much space and time with the obvious, this must be the most open race in ages, plenty of picks that are perfectly plausible and yet none of us have had to double up.  None of us has a clue who is going to win.  Mind you that is often the case in the Classics when "everyone" is there.

Is it possible that we are in an era when the old guys are still good, the middle guys are always present and there are a number of young riders who could win any race at all?  That is, an era very rich in riders of high quality, more so than some other times?  

Anyway should provide an utterly fascinating last twenty minutes.  And a scenic relaxing period for those who actually have HD feeds for the cruise along the Med.  The French TV of course has failed to sign a contract, as they also fail for Lombardy.


Agreed, FF!  Looking forward to those last 20 minutes!
kathy

Well the weather is similar to what it is here, so the first 280km can't be very pleasant for them!
Biosphere

A bit of sunshine now. Break only have 3 mins with 55km to go.
Biosphere

Cavendish seems to be wearing an unmarked black top. Certainly it's different to his team mates.
Biosphere

Another Sky rider has a fall on a descent at the head of the peloton and causes nasty knock on behind. His team mates seemingly attack.
Nolte

jull jensen looked very bad Sad
Slapshot 3

DEGENKOLB !!!!!! YAH BEAUTY
gerry12ie

S4oofer Wink  Smile
Fontfroide

A luscious last few minutes, maybe not even 20, but still.  Hard to figure out how Luca Paolini led the entire peloton all the way up the Poggio and then was there at the every end for Kristoff.  Luca is my hero of the day, although closely pressed by the flying Welshman.

I was a bit sad not to see a real attack on the Poggio, even though it might not have been successful.  Bit sad to see my pick crash out, I gather, although I didn't see it.  Should have stuck with Kristoff or Sagan.  Or picked Degenkolb, whom no one chose.   I really look forward to seeing an overhead shot of the last k.

I am ready for the month of April, although apparently Eurosport Germany which I get on the big box will be having the Tour of Catalonia live, and I can listen to some audio commentary on the laptop.

Technical people might like to know that the Eurosport English commentary which I had on the laptop (not speaking much German) was about six seconds delayed on the TV feed I got on the telly.
Boogerd_Fan

Pathetic support. At least 2 tinkoff men in the lead group with 2km to go. Whereas katusha threw their numbers on the front to lead out kristoff (who started sprint way too early)... those tinkoff douches watched proceedings in the wheels leaving sagan to pick a wheel. He nearly found the right one mind you... just bonafacci in the way of degenkolb's slipstream. Due to that... peto started sprint too far back... again. His flat line speed was about same as degenkolb... but coming from cca 5-8m further back in last 150-250m.. no chance.

Sagan also caught some wind with 1.5km to go when thomas sat up  . ... THAT was the moment for some team mates to support  instead it just allowed katusha to organize a proper sprint.

Fabian's podium record broken... the one positive going into the april races... i.e. wont be just sagan low on moral!


Hope styby and kwiatkowski are ok... bad place to crash
Severo

I succumbed to paying for Eurosport player but the race was fun.
Bartali

I enjoyed that.  Not too sure of Sky's tactics, but I can't fault them for being aggressive.  Bucket loads of panache from Thomas, but I do wonder why the three of them pressed so hard when the fourth rider brought the peloton down (which in itself was a dubious tactic Wink )
Slapshot 3

Fontfroide wrote:
A luscious last few minutes, maybe not even 20, but still.  Hard to figure out how Luca Paolini led the entire peloton all the way up the Poggio and then was there at the every end for Kristoff.  Luca is my hero of the day, although closely pressed by the flying Welshman.

I was a bit sad not to see a real attack on the Poggio, even though it might not have been successful.  Bit sad to see my pick crash out, I gather, although I didn't see it.  Should have stuck with Kristoff or Sagan.  Or picked Degenkolb, whom no one chose.   I really look forward to seeing an overhead shot of the last k.

I am ready for the month of April, although apparently Eurosport Germany which I get on the big box will be having the Tour of Catalonia live, and I can listen to some audio commentary on the laptop.

Technical people might like to know that the Eurosport English commentary which I had on the laptop (not speaking much German) was about six seconds delayed on the TV feed I got on the telly.


OH YES THEY DID...... ;0)
Bartali

Smile
Fontfroide

Sorry about that Slapshot.  Nice pick.

A few other things I noticed after some moments away.  Seems Lampre managed to get two young sprinters, one only 21, in the top ten.  Never heard of Bonifazio, and only became aware of Cimolai this year.  Maybe they are building a rather nice little team.

Also it looks like Bouhanni is a serious guy.  Not only can he sprint, but he seems to be able to climb moderate hills with the best.  Although I swear I saw him at the back with Kristoff on the Poggio.  How did they manage that?  Both pretty good at wiggling up to the front in five k?

And last, but not least, my favourite most boring almost man managed a tenth place. Allez EBH.

Looks like we might have to take Gallopin seriously too, another Frenchman!
HuwB

The race that never fails to disappoint.........in it's disappointment.
Much ado about nothing, but the inevitable finish. (and the odd crash
involving half my Velogames team)
Bartali

It needs one more climb ...
Boogerd_Fan

Not bad from EBH indeed, considering he stopped on the Cipressa because a teammate crashed in front of him.

I agree with huw this year was a bit anti-climactic... even only a few moves on the crest of Poggio, hardly any long range attacks except Thomas' valiant effort.
Biosphere

Reading on Twitter that a lot of bikes were grabbed by officials after the race yesterday. 37 in total. Many of Etixx's were taken and Trek confirmed 11 of theirs were taken - in some instances taken from the riders hands.

Sagan might have been let down a bit by team (not convinced though), but what was he doing off the front on the Poggio - couldn't make his mind up on his tactics?

Presume Sky were driving it to dispatch other team's sprinters?

Wonder if the wind was a tailwind for a lot of the run from Genoa so a less selective day?

Personally, I thought it was decent afternoon's viewing. Animated one the break was caught. The organisers can't do the course they want to at the moment, so a climb is missing for now, but I don't know why they don't find another temporary one. Maybe there's nothing safe enough. That said I like the race in general and the tension between the classics riders and the sprinters. Wouldn't want it every Sunday, but as part of the best part of the season tis fine by me.
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:
It needs one more climb ...
Not necessarily.
All you need is a Finish on the Corso Felice Cavallotti, like it used to be before they changed it in 1994. (Jalabert & Fondriest)
To revert to that finish about one and half Km's from the bottom of the Poggio (your memory will know the Sean Kelly 2nd win) then the sprinter teams won't have a chance to organise.
Kelly would never have won on the Via Roma or on last years finish.

I love MSR and have come to accept that since that Super Drugged Team Deutsche Telekom were able to get that Fraud, Zabel to the Via Roma to scoop the winner prize that all the other teams can now do the same tactic.
I now look at MSR as two races and the first is enjoyable (as always) as an attacking race to the end of the Poggio and then the 2nd part for the next 3-4-5 or 6 Km's a scramble by the sprint teams for the finish.

This year the entertainment was Team SKY and Team BMC who both got nothing (13 & 19) out of their efforts but it was entertaining I thought, but again I could see it would be a waste of their time and effort.
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
It needs one more climb ...


Unfortunately, even Vegni now disagrees with that suggestion!
mazda

Slapshot 3 wrote:
DEGENKOLB !!!!!! YAH BEAUTY

Typical.
He was garbage in Paris - Nice. Mad
Clearly a ploy by Giant to put everyone else off their case.
Bartali

I think you are spot on there Mr S!!
Nolte

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Not bad from EBH indeed, considering he stopped on the Cipressa because a teammate crashed in front of him.

I agree with huw this year was a bit anti-climactic... even only a few moves on the crest of Poggio, hardly any long range attacks except Thomas' valiant effort.


yes and it might be that thomas/oss being away had a neutralising effect on the poggio for the.
thomas had already been away with row and swift after the crash so he didn't have fresh legs which helped the lone paolini bring it back.

i was surprised that bmc waiting til oss was brought back to try something with gilbert, which was neutralised by i think 13 riders going to follow gilberts wheel

the racing wasn't agressive enough to make a selection in it i felt.
Boogerd_Fan

I do not believe that Paolini's tapi tapi up Poggio was the fastest they could have gone. Everyone settled for that pace.. until GVA ramped it up through the greenhouses.

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