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| HuwB |
Jonathan Vaughter's in Cyclingnews "Clinic" forumDon't know if anyone has visited here, of late, but if anyone fancies reading what he has to say.....http://forum.cyclingnews.com/search.php?searchid=91750 The man, himself. Some interesting info on a number of topics, including Wiggo and CVdV,s outputs etc.... |
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| Biosphere |
It's an empty search for me? | ||
| HuwB |
Oh? maybe, it's a members only thing. I hadn't thought of that.
See what I can transfer on power outputs... Passports: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=3019 This has been used since 2004 in cycling. It is the entire foundation for the passport system. Note your cut off scores of 143 and 189... In the Passport system a score of over 134 is 'positive'. So, its actually much stricter than what is looked at here. The released Wiggins results never exceed 100. JV http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2974&page=6 Ok, so answer the 20 min effort vs 40+ minute effort question, I only have limited information from elite athletes, so this isn't a University study.... That said: CVV can produce about 5.9 watts per kg in peak form for 40+ minute climbs, Wiggo is a bit more at 6.1 w/kg for this length of effort. From the pre-Tour tests both riders have done up Rocacorba (a 33 minute climb) I know that Wiggo was at 6.1w/kg and CVV was 5.7 w/kg (He was off form a bit in June). However, Wiggo did a local 10 mile TT in GB about 2 weeks before the Tour, or 5 days before the Rocacorba test. He posted a time of 18mins flat (and was disqualified for using a 1080 wheel...funny rules over there). Anyhow, his power was 482 watts, so using his Tour weight of 72 kgs, so 6.7 w/kg. So, anecdotally, there's about a 9% decrease in power when going from a 20 min effort to a 40+ min effort. At 6.7 w/kg you certainly can climb at a VAM of 1750, but at 6.1 you wont even hit 1700 (again, anecdotal based on experience). The last TT in the Tour Wiggo averaged 434 watts, consistent with his previous tests of 40+ minutes and just about 6.1 w/kg. I dont have any data for Wiggo up climbs in the Tour, as he didnt use a PowerTap. JV Just a sample. seems to be posting a few times a day. Anything of note, I'll post. 
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| Biosphere |
Thanks. Membership wouldn't kill me as a backup to SS's backup if the whole MFF thing goes belly up and we become refugees. | ||
| kathy |
I think we've had a link to this before, haven't we? I have read it. Link didn't work even with me ID, but that won't let me post anyway. | ||
| forearms Van Pete |
Re: Jonathan Vaughter's in Cyclingnews "Clinic" fo
seems he is getting a hard time by a number of posters, like that thunder guy. What a piece of work, he could be more beneficent to JV |
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| bianchigirl |
I dpon't think it's a bad thing he's getting something of a hard time - are we all supposed to suspend our critical faculties because he runs a PT team. That's like saying Armstrong should get a free pass if he ever posted here 
Personally I'd love to know how/why he went from lynch pin of USPS to anti doping crusader |
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| cardinal guzman |
Really? I always thought you were an expert 'between the lines' reader? I think Vaughters is an excellent example of watching someone in real time who becomes a victim of Omerta and bails out. Ie - you have doped and now we own you, you will not fulfill your promise as a classics rider or a mountain specialist, but will pull for whoever the fuck we tell you to pull for. Your promise and talent has no value, you will do what you're told or we will ruin you now we have the evidence. It is this lesson that all young riders should be taught - once you turn to the dark side, they have you by the balls. That's just the view from here. |
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| Runitout |
Re: Jonathan Vaughter's in Cyclingnews "Clinic" fo
Proud of your own work, are you Chris? 
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