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Bartali

Ideas and comments please

Ok ... assuming my assailant coughs up the cash, what should I go for next. Something very light is a must - I'm thinking Cevelo R3-SL, Colnago Extreme-C, or another Ghisallo.

Ideas and suggestions welcomed ...
Slapshot

what about the new orbea Orca??



Bartali

Nice berg - very nice - how much does it weigh?
Dr.Wierd

Get the bugger to pay for a De Rosa Protos.

Or, go with a Look 585.
Slapshot

the frame is only 1kg!

More info here
http://www.orbea.com/ingles/inter...p?tipo=1&familia=1&gama=1
thunderthighs

i would stick with italian made.. not becuz iam italian but experience in frames
we are second to none... colnago steel/carbon very good..pinarello "onda" super

but i would suggest "gios carbon" if you are a light spinner..

i have my old colnago mexcio, steel.. my fav..
and pavan cycle loaned me a pinarello prince.. forever..lol.. i hate it.. seat tube is on 73.5.. my colnago is a 76..custom.. same super record on a 54/41 ring...

ciao
cardinal guzman

Chris Newton's Pinarello - mmmmm Cool

Dr.Wierd

I don't know, just something about the forks and seatstays that make it look gimmicky to me.
Dr.Wierd

Here you go, build your own...you could have your very own 'Bartali Special'




http://www.novacycles.com/catalog/index.php
sheeponabike

Dr.Wierd wrote:
I don't know, just something about the forks and seatstays that make it look gimmicky to me.


I agree. I find that a really ugly bike.

Bartali, get something that LOOKS good at least.



Ferrus in titanium - not expensive.
Frame costs 850euros and they look fantastic built up.
sheeponabike

Here's a built-up one. I mean it LOOKS like a bike. Not like these new Italian jobs with ponced up curves and bulges.


kellyrocheearly

Orbea Opal all the way Bartali, wonderful bike and a bit cheaper than the Orca. Very comfy on long rides too for a carbon frame
Bartali

sheeponabike wrote:
Here's a built-up one. I mean it LOOKS like a bike. Not like these new Italian jobs with ponced up curves and bulges.




Looks a lot like my Ghisallo ... in its pre-smash days!
cardinal guzman

sheeponabike wrote:
Here's a built-up one. I mean it LOOKS like a bike. Not like these new Italian jobs with ponced up curves and bulges.


Lol - don't be stuck in yer ways old timer! Wink Laughing

The curves make sound aerodynamic sense and the biks really does look stunning 'in the flesh'. That said, if I had big money I'd be spending it on a custom frame with 953 tubing.....

http://www.waterfordbikes.com/boa...=b7460fa73b75e4214c19299e62fd01f9
CapeRoadie



The bamboo Calfee, Bartali. Step outside the box! Suitable for racing, too. The above pic is an Ironman triathlon bike.

Quote:
Calfee insists bamboo - a seemingly frightening choice of frame material - is far tougher than most people realize and has a ride quality that outstrips that of carbon. Not convinced? Calfee backs up the bike with a 10 year warranty. Convinced? Well sign up and sit on your hands. Due to a limited supply of three year old black bamboo (straight stalks are hard to come by) Calfee produces only 100 frames a year. Each bamboo is custom, with tubes selected according to rider weight. A carbon wrap enforces the joints, epoxy soaked hemp fills natural stalk splits, and dropouts are made of good olí titanium.


Here's the hemp fiber seat cluster:



I'd get two. One to ride, and one to hang on my wall as art!

www.calfeedesign.com
bbnaz

My buddy loves his custom Calfee..........when he bought it a few years back the frame was around US$1,800
Dr.Wierd

http://www.bmeres.com/bambooframe.htm
chasm

I know steel is unfashionable these days, but there's nothing like it for feel and now they're using tubing less than 0.4mm thick (no, I don't know how they make it strong enough) it doesn't weigh much, either. When I replace my current roadie I might go along to talk to these people:

http://www.nimbuscycles.co.uk/

I like the sound of their attention to detail, especially with regard to riding position and reducing the load on the lower back. Might be worth £100 for their fitting service to find out, anyway. The bikes are beautiful, too: nothing terribly flash, just simple, elegant bikes that look like bikes.
Slapshot



This is the top of the range of spiuk, one step ahead of mine, Sad

tech spec
http://www.spiuk.com/productos/documentos/aura.pdf
Bartali

bergaretxebe wrote:


This is the top of the range of spiuk, one step ahead of mine, Sad

tech spec
http://www.spiuk.com/productos/documentos/aura.pdf


Lovely - some great suggestions by one and all ... though I can't really see myself riding a bamboo steed! Confused
CapeRoadie

Bartali wrote:
bergaretxebe wrote:


This is the top of the range of spiuk, one step ahead of mine, Sad

tech spec
http://www.spiuk.com/productos/documentos/aura.pdf


Lovely - some great suggestions by one and all ... though I can't really see myself riding a bamboo steed! Confused


I know, I know; it's just too-- weird! How about this Batman bike:



or this Parlee:



Check out these builds, Bartali!

http://www.parleecycles.com/galleries.html
Slapshot

What about BMC????

[img]http://www.bmc-racing.com/popup-view+M564f959b0e7.html[/img]
Bartali

Now those I LIKE!!!!

Who are these pk0r.com people? Is it a shop?? not clear from the website!
CapeRoadie

Bartali wrote:
Now those I LIKE!!!!

Who are these pk0r.com people? Is it a shop?? not clear from the website!


USA

PARLEE Cycles
119R Foster Street, Building 13
Peabody, Massachusetts
01960

Not far from where I live, Bartali. One day I will own one...one day...

Check the link at the bottom of my post, B. It's all there. Wait, here:

http://www.parleecycles.com/


Okay?
Bartali

Lovely. Plain black Z3 it is then!
Dr.Wierd

Bartali wrote:
Lovely. Plain black Z3 it is then!


Whith the exchange rate now, buy two!
sheeponabike

Impressive site.
But I get the impression they haven't been in the business very long.
Where did you hear of these guys cape?
Are they near your place?
CapeRoadie

sheeponabike wrote:
Impressive site.
But I get the impression they haven't been in the business very long.
Where did you hear of these guys cape?
Are they near your place?


Parlee has been building carbon frames longer than any major bike manufacturer out there from waht I've heard. He's a small operation, in Peabody, Massachusetts, just north of Boston. His stuff is AMAZING from everything I've read.

Found out about Bob Parlee from Pez:

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4694

His bikes have been featured at Interbike and in Bicycling and VeloNews magazines as well. Pretty popular guy, boatbuilder turned bikemaker. Local legend around these parts.



This man will build you a kick-ass bicycle. Many pros are riding them with fresh team paint...
Dr.Wierd

CapeRoadie wrote:
sheeponabike wrote:
Impressive site.
But I get the impression they haven't been in the business very long.
Where did you hear of these guys cape?
Are they near your place?


Parlee has been building carbon frames longer than any major bike manufacturer out there from waht I've heard. He's a small operation, in Peabody, Massachusetts, just north of Boston. His stuff is AMAZING from everything I've read.

Found out about Bob Parlee from Pez:

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4694

His bikes have been featured at Interbike and in Bicycling and VeloNews magazines as well. Pretty popular guy, boatbuilder turned bikemaker. Local legend around these parts.



This man will build you a kick-ass bicycle. Many pros are riding them with fresh team paint...



In other words,....he's a client. Wink
Slapshot

so what is it going to be???
Bartali

Good question ... need to see how much money I can get out of the b***ed!

I like the look of the Parlee Z3, but I also like my Ghisallo. Both are compact frames and very light. Tell you what - looking at bike porn is the onlything keeping me going at the moment - that and chating to my JustCycling buddies!

Carbon or Titanium? Any thoughts? I've never ridden carbon - last bike was steel!
berck

I went from steel to carbon and I've been very happy. I'm now on my second carbon and will never go back to steel. In the future, I might look at a Ti bike, but money is always an issue. I've found carbon to be stiff, but yet forgiving. Meaning, that it tends to absorb more road jarring than steel, but still has a stiffness to it at that same time.

This is actually a good time to look at new bikes. Many companies are starting to push their 2008 models so that the old 2007 models are being heavily discounted. That's how I got such a great deal on my Madone 5.2 SL
Bartali

Thanks Berck - trouble is I can't aford anything until the insurance or annual bonus kicks in! I'll try carbon before I buy.
Slapshot

I went from Alu to carbon, and I wont change it for anything, sweet rides!!!
berck

You still have time. I suspect that by the time you get you insurance payment, they'll still be pushing out some 07 models.
headwind

Its all about the carbon bartali!!!!!
headwind

so Bartali...any thoughts on what you might be getting next as you mend?
headwind

those lightweight wheels are the tits Cape...Id love to know what a pair feels like.
Bartali

Chris, There's a shop in London that has a couple of Parlee demo bike that will be worth a try when I can turn a pedal. Still like the Ghisallo too. So much bike porn out there to be drooled over before I can aford a new one. (Lawyer says it might take a while!) Till then its my MTB or my 27 year old Pink Battaglin (drooling in 'old school' super record)!

LW Ventoux ... now there's a wheelset to drool over!

You ride Look don't you? How do you find it?
headwind

Hi Bartali...I have a TIME. And its awesome...if you are thinking carbon, I would give them high marks. Unlike virtually all other carbon makers, they actually weave their own fabric from spools...they control the spools, and they control the weave, and both are used to optimize different parts on a frame. Plus, I went with the translink optioon, meaning no seatpost...ior slipping or freezing etc. Its been a great frame based on 2500 miles or so.

Look at em...

hw



mine is an Edge Translink
headwind

by hte way...youre up awefully late!!
headwind

http://www.time-sport.com/us/home.htm
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
those lightweight wheels are the tits Cape...Id love to know what a pair feels like.


You will soon my friend...
CapeRoadie

Bartali, I've heard nothing but good things about:

Parlee
Time
Merlin
Independent Fabrications
Colnago
Cervelo
Pinarello

and many others. Specialized and Trek are also great companies. To each his own!

btw, that was a picture of Bob Parlee himself!
headwind

you seriously gettting a set of Lightweight's? christ they're 3000$!!!!
Bartali

headwind wrote:
by hte way...youre up awefully late!!


Yeah I know. I was watching fonda and bronson in Once upon a time in the west. Bronson wins the gunfight everytime I see this film. Fonda needs to practice more!

Time - of course it is. Don't know where I got the idea of Look from. Must have been thinking pedals. I'll check out a lot of stuff when I'm up and about - including Time.

As you might have guessed I would love something Italian, but there isn't much out there that's super light - Extreme C is probably woth a look.

This is the silver lining to my accident - I love bike porn!
Bartali

CapeRoadie wrote:
headwind wrote:
those lightweight wheels are the tits Cape...Id love to know what a pair feels like.


You will soon my friend...


Good man! Standards or are you trading the car in for a pair of ventoux or obermayers? Wink
headwind

seriously bartali....3500-5500$!!!!

O U C H!!
Bartali

headwind wrote:
seriously bartali....3500-5500$!!!!

O U C H!!


Well if Cape's got the big bucks!?
Dr.Wierd

another to add to the mix

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2.../probikes/tour_mayo_saunier_scott
sheeponabike

Dr.Wierd wrote:
another to add to the mix

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2.../probikes/tour_mayo_saunier_scott


Quote:
Saunier Duval-Prodir team mechanics must add mass to the bike to make the bike legal

Tie a house brick under the seat?
Bartali

Dr.Wierd wrote:
another to add to the mix

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2.../probikes/tour_mayo_saunier_scott


Cheers Dr W. Certainly satisfies my weight requirements. But why the Rooster/chicken paint job????
CapeRoadie

Bartali wrote:
headwind wrote:
seriously bartali....3500-5500$!!!!

O U C H!!


Well if Cape's got the big bucks!?


Didn't I tell you two that I'm getting the carbon C-50 Neuvations for $800--for the pair!

Zipp and HED can kiss my arse!
Dr.Wierd

Bartali wrote:
Dr.Wierd wrote:
another to add to the mix

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2.../probikes/tour_mayo_saunier_scott


Cheers Dr W. Certainly satisfies my weight requirements. But why the Rooster/chicken paint job????


Laughing Laughing

I wondered the same thing, maybe Mayo is really big into cock fighting?!?
headwind

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg...story&id=5147&status=True

If you are thinking Ti still Bartali...come visit me here in Tenn and get yourself a custom Lynskey...the founders of Litespeed are on their own.

hw
Bartali

headwind wrote:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg...story&id=5147&status=True

If you are thinking Ti still Bartali...come visit me here in Tenn and get yourself a custom Lynskey...the founders of Litespeed are on their own.

hw


Thanks HW I got seriously distracted by the "Distractions di Tour" on that link! Very nice !
headwind

ahh yes, the pez distractions are rather easy to get lost in!
CapeRoadie

You mean the goils?
headwind

indeed
sheeponabike

Interesting site that hw! I like the "bike build" article and pics.
CapeRoadie

sheeponabike wrote:
Interesting site that hw! I like the "bike build" article and pics.


That's how I almost met the great hw. Didn't you ride for Pez in '05? For the ToH? I wish they were still doing that ride!
headwind

CapeRoadie wrote:
sheeponabike wrote:
Interesting site that hw! I like the "bike build" article and pics.


That's how I almost met the great hw. Didn't you ride for Pez in '05? For the ToH? I wish they were still doing that ride!


Yeah I met Pez shortly after he launched his web site and it became as big as it is today. Hes really a great guy and done great work with the page. I did get a press cred for ToH that year but the article got lost in a string of mutual bumbles, and by the time it was all sorted, it was long past interesting.

I check in there all the time. They do some of the absolute best tech reporting anchored by Charles Manatan. And theyve seen alomst all the high end kit in the world.
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
CapeRoadie wrote:
sheeponabike wrote:
Interesting site that hw! I like the "bike build" article and pics.


That's how I almost met the great hw. Didn't you ride for Pez in '05? For the ToH? I wish they were still doing that ride!


Yeah I met Pez shortly after he launched his web site and it became as big as it is today. Hes really a great guy and done great work with the page. I did get a press cred for ToH that year but the article got lost in a string of mutual bumbles, and by the time it was all sorted, it was long past interesting.

I check in there all the time. They do some of the absolute best tech reporting anchored by Charles Manatan.


Agreed. Love that site. I think I first about it from you.

headwind wrote:
And theyve seen alomst all the high end kit in the world.


What???
headwind

just go to theur tech link and read the titles...absolutely amazing reports, all in depth with lots of pix. cant beat it for techie stuff.

hw
sheeponabike

headwind wrote:
just go to theur tech link and read the titles...absolutely amazing reports, all in depth with lots of pix. cant beat it for techie stuff.

hw


brilliant - I love this kind of stuff - cheers hw.
headwind

avec pleasure sheep!
Bartali

Tour of H???
headwind

Tour of Hope. It was a ride the Lance Armstrong Fdn set up for raising funds. Im no Lnace fan, but thats worthy work in my book.
hw
CapeRoadie

How can you not like the guy for doing these charity rides all over the USA and Canada?
Dr.Wierd

CapeRoadie wrote:
How can you not like the guy for doing these charity rides all over the USA and Canada?


Because he's an ugly american?!?


My fiance lost her mum and I lost and uncle to cancer. I donate yearly and still wear my wristband. I think its great they give away for free to cancer patients Survivorship notebooks and worksheets. Its not medicine, but in a way I'm sure it helps.
forza_petacchi

Best place to look is eBay. I got my Trek 2300 (2005) for less than half MSRP, and it rides fine (carbon fork, seatstays, seatpost).
forza_petacchi

Second thoughts, if you get enough out of this arse, buy a Cervelo SLC-SL.

Here's Gerard Vroomen talking about the bike: http://cervelo.tv/player.aspx?m=3&id=5&s=1014
Bartali

forza_petacchi wrote:
Second thoughts, if you get enough out of this arse, buy a Cervelo SLC-SL.

Here's Gerard Vroomen talking about the bike: http://cervelo.tv/player.aspx?m=3&id=5&s=1014


Cheers Forza - I intend to get every buck I can! Cervelo is certainly on my list. Thanks for the link.
Dr.Wierd

How is this list looking so far? Give us your list so far so we can pick it apart and try and sway your decision. Smile
Bartali

Okay guys. I'm pretty much there, but I don't want to influence your thinking ...

Litespeed Ghisallo
Cervello R3SL
Parlee Z3SL
Colnago Extreme C (sloping tube)

Remember this has to be a very light climbing bike tat also has that 'coolness' factor! Apologies for omitting some very good recommendations Obrea, Time De Rosa .... but there are so many super frames to chose from

Cheers
Dr.Wierd

My vote goes for the Colnago first, R3 SL second. (Although I would have the SLC-SL a close second)

You going to get a carbon bearing BB?
headwind

oh bartali...its all about you...so many good things out there and all that has to be pleased is you!

I see Ti has lost its glitter a tad given the lump of fine carbon I see there! Thats a great list, but Id probably put the Cervelo at the bottom of it from somethings Ive heard. The Parlee is certainly major bling and he knows the carbon inside and out. Id prob put the Nag and the Parlee side by side with stats and see what comes out...Parlee certainly has the hand build with love in spades.

Better you than me choosing in this bunch!

hw
CapeRoadie

[whispers quietly] Parlee...Parlee...Parlee...
headwind

I agree cape...but no sense in whispering:

PARLEE!!!!!!!
bbnaz

This is a great thread and what makes the forum such an excellent spot to loiter in.


Bartali.........will be very interested in hearing what you choose and as for you not seeing yourself on bamboo? well with all of the computer goofs here certainly someone could photoshop you onto one for a spin Wink
Dr.Wierd

Tarzan theme? Bartali on a bamboo bike in his leopard thong........shudder the thought.
headwind

somehting i just dug up on parlee you might like bartali

http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4694&status=True
bbnaz

that was just way cool hw. i loved reading it.
sheeponabike

I'm a fan, thanks to hw, of this pez site thingy. You can mess about in there for ages. Very Happy
Bartali

headwind wrote:
somehting i just dug up on parlee you might like bartali

http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4694&status=True


Cheers HW - Good article!
bbnaz

sheeponabike wrote:
I'm a fan, thanks to hw, of this pez site thingy. You can mess about in there for ages. Very Happy


fess up sheep. you only like it for the pictures Wink
Dr.Wierd

That site annoys me. It always locks up, and the daft pics of the women, and focus on high end equip makes me think that the guy behind it is some smug smarmy wank.
Dr.Wierd

Here's a site that may be of interest when you build up your bike.


http://weightweenies.starbike.com/
bbnaz

sorry but weenies and wank in conjoining posts made me laugh out loud Laughing
Bartali

Dr.Wierd wrote:
Here's a site that may be of interest when you build up your bike.


http://weightweenies.starbike.com/


Thx Dr W. It's a great site!! Posters on their forum can be a bit rude, but its a weath of information about bike bits. Someone has an opinion on everything!
Bartali

bbnaz wrote:
sorry but weenies and wank in conjoining posts made me laugh out loud Laughing


BB - you're naughty! Laughing
Dr.Wierd

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=104601


Link to road bike review thread of a guy between Parlee and Storck. Seems some others chimed in about Crumpton. I'd check him out at this price range.

i like the look of these better than the Parlee.

http://www.crumptoncycles.com/
Bartali

Thanks Dr. Sure are nice looking bikes.

I've gone and plumped for a custom Parlee Z3SL- partly because they are gorgeous and partly because they are more accessible to me in the UK as there is a great shop in London that imports them from the US.

I'll keep you posted as the build progresses.
Dr.Wierd

Wow Bartali, thats great. Should be a lot of fun, hope the grin will be ear to ear when you hop on it.
Bartali

I hope so!!

"When I hop on" Not sure that was supposed to be a joke, but in my current condition I thought it was very funny!! Smile Smile
Dr.Wierd

Very Happy Shall we say 'Hop-along Harry' ?

All in good fun.
Bartali

Dr.Wierd wrote:
Very Happy Shall we say 'Hop-along Harry' ?

All in good fun.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

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