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I Secondi piatti: Stages 9-13 - May 15th-20th

Sunday May 15: stage nine – Radda in Chianti to Greve in Chianti, 40.4km individual time trial

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This is the first of the Giro’s “key stages”, with not a single level stretch, but a never-ending sequence of climbs and descents among the Consorzio del Chianti Classico vineyards. Riders will be facing harsh uphill slants and steep downhill gradients where they will need to push down on the pedals, especially in the stage finale.


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Tuesday May 17: stage ten – Campi Bisenzio to Sestola, 216km

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This mountain stage does not even feature a single flat metre. Just past Pistoia, the route climbs up Passo della Collina and across the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines.


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Wednesday May 18: stage 11 – Modena to Asolo, 212km

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Thursday May 19: stage 12 – Noale to Bibione, 168km

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Friday May 20: stage 13 – Palmanova to Cividale del Friuli, 161km

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This is a very challenging mountain stage. The route takes in 4 categorised climbs in a row, with just a few stretches to let the bunch catch their breath. The first 45 km run on apparently flat ground, and are followed by three typical pre-Alpine climbs, marked by narrow roadway, high gradients and endless turns, both while climbing and while descending.


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gerry12ie

Raining at the finish and it looks like its spreading, so the stage winner might have already finished...

This is my favourite part of the world - I love it Very Happy
HuwB

I never realised that Andre Amador was such a fantastic time trialist.
He's crushing everybody at the moment.
Dumoulin pretty poor.
Landa quite reasonable considering he is so bad at the discipline.


Edit: Amador must have heard. Drops a ton of time between CP 1 and 2.
Bartali

Not anymore Huw .... Amador falters....
Boogerd_Fan

Pozzovivo and Chaves doing quite well too...but Uran Uran... oh dear.
Bartali

Be nice if Roglic gets this after being 'robbed' on stage one. Smile
Bartali

Be nice if Roglic gets this after being 'robbed' on stage one. Smile
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Be nice if Roglic gets this after being 'robbed' on stage one. Smile


I'd have thought it's in the bag by now. Tuscany tourist board will not be happy with weather!
Boogerd_Fan

Landa riding typically strong SKY TT.... From somewhere
Biosphere

Biosphere wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Nice win, but I can't say the stage lit me up much, especially since it seems rather difficult to get a decent quality feed . . . .


I've not had need to try this for the Giro, but have you tried it?

http://www.cyclinghub.tv/livestream


Presume you're happy enough with that. Had a quick look. Seems stable?
Nolte

Jungles at 45 seconds being benchmark, amador 34 seconds behind jungles, dumoulin 1'13 behind jungles
Pozzovivo 2'54 behind jungles
Bartali

Storming ride from Brambila
Bartali

Where did that come from!!
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Where did that come from!!


Imagine Jungle Bob is asking the same  Shocked
Nolte

You just knew zakarin would fall at the final bend
Boogerd_Fan

Ufff zakarin a ride from hell

Brambilla!!! Thats the power of the pink jersey for sure
Bartali

Wasn't Brambilla way behind Nibs and Valverde at the final time check???
Bartali

Zakarin ... the new Rasmussen!!
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Wasn't Brambilla way behind Nibs and Valverde at the final time check???


As well as wearing pink, the weather maybe turned a bit in his favor at the end?
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Wasn't Brambilla way behind Nibs and Valverde at the final time check???


As well as wearing pink, the weather maybe turned a bit in his favor at the end?


Brambilla hasn't had that many good tts but he was 5th in the giro Tt in 2014 behind uran uran, ullissi

He was also 14th in the Basque country's TT this year
HuwB

Etix 1-2 on the GC of a Grand Tour.
How they wish they could do that in a classic.

Zakarin not helped by the bloke flagging to get his attention in the final corner, but it was that sort of day: one to forget.
Bartali

Not doubting Brambila's ITT pedigree ... I just thought he was well down with 10km to go.
Biosphere

A rest day summary of where CN thinks things are

http://www.cyclingnews.com/featur...alia-analysing-the-gc-contenders/

For me they've maybe elevated Landa a bit much given he didn't come across so steady on the other days, I'm still not sure exactly what's going on with Nibali as he hasn't convinced me 100% yet. Valverde seems the most solid so far and with Amador to play as a joker or act as a wingman he has the support the others seem to be lacking?
Bartali

If I were rooting for Valverde I would be worried that he has peaked 2-3 weeks too early ... as it is I worry that Nibali may peak 2-3 weeks too late!! lol
gerry12ie

Well, the bookies think Landa is in pole at the moment.  I wouldn't be so sure, mind...




I wouldn't be in a hurry to back against Nibali just yet, although it's fair to say his form doesn't look great.  Valverde looks good value @ 6/1
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
If I were rooting for Valverde I would be worried that he has peaked 2-3 weeks too early ... as it is I worry that Nibali may peak 2-3 weeks too late!! lol


+1

Altho if there's anyone who can carry superb form over an entire 3 weeks without an off-day it's surely Piti.

I don't think Nibali is that far off his best (or put it differently - where he needs to be to win this Giro)... wrong tactic on stage 6 aside, he's followed the right moves so far, and kept out of trouble without having to stretch the legs too many times.

Landa's TT defies logic.. but it is a SKY marginal gain?? If he's been spending more than normal amount of time testing/training for timetrial improvements, will he still be the same force in the mountains??

Zakarin has that fortunate ability to follow moves in the mountains quite easily - despite being far back, he could quickly ride himself back into it without spending too much over next week. Someone like Chaves or Pozzovivo are now required to spark the race to climb the Top 10... i can see Zakarin following their moves while Nibs & Piti watch each other

Kruiswijk is in a great position too, but a bit untried in leadership role... in his breakout Giro where he top 10'ed it was in the foil role for ?Gesink? IIRC. Other times he's been climbing well it has been when a GC battle hasn't mattered. Curious to see if he can stay with the above names when it counts.
Biosphere

I was thinking last night it was a quiet rest day with no scandals or riders sent home and so on, and then this bizarre one comes along

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...ponds-to-giro-ditalia-withdrawal/
gerry12ie

Well, I thought it was the most blatant drafting I have seen, and
I couldn't believe he persevered with it for so long.  Hatch and Kelly didn't seem to make a whole lot of it though.

Pulled by his own team as punishment?  Crazy...
Biosphere

Well Landa is already 5 mins down on the stage so the bookies odds are missing a couple of zeros now.
Boogerd_Fan

he abandons... but for what?
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
he abandons... but for what?


Too much of this:-

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/732281041646432256

Wink
gerry12ie

Well that's a shock!  

Off to the Clinic for some hypothesis and Lemond-baiting... Wink
HuwB

The usual, very fast, post rest day mountain stage.
Started late, but is going to finish early.
kathy

Oh, dear, I'm becoming a KOD expert.  Zakarin in the ITT, and now Landa today!
HuwB

Bob Jungels becomes Bob Mountains, while the rest continue to play footsie.
Neo pro, "Duracell" Ciccone hardly lost a second to them as a result.
The rest of the breakaway looked cream crackered.
mr shifter

kathy wrote:
Oh, dear, I'm becoming a KOD expert.  Zakarin in the ITT, and now Landa today!
Aw Gawd, you had Landa as well.
I seem to have the KOD touch as well, can't remeber who the other one was last week.

Terrific entertaining stage today I thought.
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:
Well that's a shock!  

Off to the Clinic for some hypothesis and Lemond-baiting... Wink

What's that.......more SKY on drugs debating. ??????
Must be something to make him ill. ?????
Bartali

Wiggins, Porte and now Landa ... not the best of luck on the health front in May.
Bartali

Qudos to Brambilla for pulling for Jungles in Rosa.  Classy.
Nolte

most important of cicionne's victory is he is now only 15 and a half minutes off the top six in the young riders standings Very Happy

viviani out ill, landa out illl, maybe there is a bug going round sky team?
Bartali

What's up with Nibs ... he looked completely 'out of sorts' on the last climb yesterday.  Riding well back in the group ???
Bartali

Another odd stage where Nibali looked like he was hanging on near the end.
HuwB

Great last 20 kms of action packed viewing........................for those of us not lumbered with Eurosport. Laughing
Seriously, their current ad break policy is totally ruining the experience.
Sporza meanwhile, are playing the usual blinder.

RoboBob Jungels is the revelation of the race, so far.
Ulissi bags his brace and will probably sit back and take it easy from now on.
Bartali

I guess Nibali lost at least 5 or 6 team mates in the crash so was probably content to stick with Valverde who he must see as his biggest rival.  Still think he looks out of sorts though ...
Boogerd_Fan

haven't seen it yet, but the pics and the live commentary were suggesting Nibs had a little dig down the descent, forcing the pace at some points... despite losing his teammates.
Bartali

He looked good on the decent, but fail to follow Amador and then Jungles choosing to hide in the middle of the group rather than up front.  That said ... I think he is watching Valverde like a hawk.
Fontfroide

Rather liked the last 30k of the race.  Some action, some ducking and diving, a bit of suspense.  Not really changing much, but suggesting a lot.  Jungels seems to be riding seriously.

Nibali looking not too bad, not really worrying much about a few seconds, but still trying out a few moves that didn't succeed.  Valverde also hanging out waiting for the right time.  Seems like a race waiting for a bit of an explosion.

Quite sad that Landa is not there in fine form.  Besides having picked him for a team or two, he seemed the kind of rider who would contribute to some uncertainty.  Oh well.
Boogerd_Fan

Bart, seems i have a bit more confidence in Nibs than you do at the minute... but i think he is aware that moves so far result in seconds. In the 3rd week attacks will produce minutes.

Wink
mr shifter

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bart, seems i have a bit more confidence in Nibs than you do at the minute... but i think he is aware that moves so far result in seconds. In the 3rd week attacks will produce minutes.

Wink
I agree with the Boogeyman.
Vicenzo is keeping in touch with Valverde until next week because he has ridden enough racing miles with him to know his strengths and must have a plan for the high mountains.
Must have faith in Vicenzo, Bart as I have him as the FP man to win and so far I can't see a problem.

I think this Giro is more entertainining again than recent French Tours.
Bartali

Thanks Guys ... I must keep the faith Smile #ridelikenibali
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
Thanks Guys ... I must keep the faith Smile #ridelikenibali


#ridelikenibali


Biosphere

Nibali doesn't seem entirely right though (at least in terms of his past tranquilo form when winning GCs). Complaining yesterday about Valverde not attacking and unsure of how he should treat Amador. Having been usurped within his own team, form a bit patchy and being the focus of the home media / fans, I could see why his head would not be 100%.

Naughty Gerry Wink
gerry12ie

I'm sure he'll be okay.  Even if his form isn't 100% he can take some consolation from all maybe not being quite right at camp Movistar.  I reckon Amador is wrecking Piti's mojo more than Astana are messing with Nibs'...

Does Jungle Bob have a TDF in him one day?  I hope he at least hangs with the 'second favourites' in on some of the big climbs, and doesn't go crazy trying to match the main GC guys.  His real scrap will be for the white jersey, where he has 5 minutes in hand.  It would be folly to lose that classification by over-reaching for pink.

The points competition is fairly warm though...


1 André Greipel (Ger) Lotto Soudal 119 pts
2 Arnaud Demare (Fra) FDJ 103
3 Diego Ulissi (Ita) Lampre - Merida 100
4 Giacomo Nizzolo (Ita) Trek-Segafredo 97
5 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Team LottoNl-Jumbo 82
mazda

I can't see BJ hanging on, not like Tom did last year.
He won't be helped by the remaining ITT and arguably would have profited a lot more with a dry ITT in Chianti.
There are 6 mountain days and it will be relentless when it comes. A shame Brambilla lost so much time.

Why does Nibs want Valverde to attack ?
Did he mean he wanted him to help more when they got free on the downhill ? Possibly in anticipation of a similar situation on Friday or Saturday ?
You'd have to say that his current position in the standings would be ideal for the Nibs of old.
Valverde always loses time somewhere in a GT.
If Nibs is moaning then perhaps it is a sign he doesn't feel 100%.
Bartali

mazda wrote:
Why does Nibs want Valverde to attack ? Did he mean he wanted him to help more when they got free on the downhill ?


I think that was simply that Nibs Piti and Chavez had an ideal opportunity to steal some time back on Amador, Jungles and Special K ..... but Piti / Amador obvs had another plan.

Naughty Gerry ... good pic though Smile
mr shifter

mazda wrote:


If Nibs is moaning then perhaps it is a sign he doesn't feel 100%.

Bleacher Report wrote:
Nibali :-  he revealed he wasted a lot of energy during the recent Liege-Bastogne-Liege race,
Vicenzo IMO is playing mind games again.
The same as he did in that TDF where he got them so confused with themselves that they lost their concentration.

Poor old Alejandro sending his team down the road to fluster Vicenzo who joins in the game and confuses the Movistar Team even more.
So who is playing with who ??.......I think I know and I'm looking forward to it. Very Happy
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:

Ever been a tourist in Paris and been to Notre Dame where outside on the bridge are teenagers on Roller Skates having fun performing to the crowds.
Then some of them take off down the road (by the river) hanging onto cars and disappear, until later they return with traffic coming the other way.
Fantastic at those speeds.
Nolte

I think valverde is letting amador go on these attacks gaining a couple of seconds on non-decisive stages, the gains for amador have been small on these stages and effort has been a good bit on his part.

The first 12 stages have not seen any big gaps and from third to twelfth, it is a 2 minute gap
Boogerd_Fan

I've got a good feeling this is going to explode on these next 2 climbs
Boogerd_Fan

Astana's pace has this down to 15 riders already
HuwB

Stage 13 and still waiting for the first, serious attack of this Giro from a genuine GC contender.
mazda

Yep. Nieve is increasing his gap, so the GC men can't be going full tilt yet.

Of course it is not impossible that Nieve is a better climber than the lot of them.
mazda

Jungels struggling.
Have to see if they let him get back.
Bartali

Come on Nibs .... mess em up!!
mazda

Selection made ?
mazda

Slowly getting back together.
As expected really.
Boogerd_Fan

hmm.. 30km and down to handful of riders... and they are just happy to watch each other over 2 climbs!! damn
mazda

Nibali has one last go.
mazda

Brambilla appears !
JA Flecha said he was one of the best descenders out there.
Bartali

Nibs outsprints Valverde ... that's got to hurt Piti's pride Smile
HuwB

Sky wins a Giro stage! A marginal gain achieved.
Nibali shows why he isn't climbing too well: he's become a sprinter.Laughing
Amador in Pink, Jungels in white.

Another underwhelming stage in this year's phony war ticked off.
There must be some serious GC action tomorrow, surely?

Mike Snow gets to do an English interview with Matt Rendell.
mazda

And bonus seconds.
Interesting that Movistar had Visconti up the road the whole time.
gerry12ie

I look forward to watching the highlights later, although one the least underwhelming things of this Giro is wondering whose turn it is today to wear the pink slacks - Ashley or Flecha?

Ashley gets his yellow TDF ones all to himself...
HuwB

mazda wrote:
And bonus seconds.
Interesting that Movistar had Visconti up the road the whole time.


Well, on the face of it, that was quite a smart move, given you would expect Valverde to win the small bunch sprint, nine times out of ten.
This happened to be the other one sprint and it means that he gets pushed off the podium by Nibali. Embarassed

Expect another moan from Valverde about Visconti not being the team (train Valverde) player, this evening.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Sky wins a Giro stage! A marginal gain achieved.
A good strong ride too!

Nibs looked a little stronger today ... but a big weekend ahead!!
Boogerd_Fan

mazda wrote:
And bonus seconds.
Interesting that Movistar had Visconti up the road the whole time.


defending his KOM jersey from last year... with larger primes on offer in next  7 stages i expect he'll be up the road again
Boogerd_Fan

gerry12ie wrote:
I look forward to watching the highlights later, although one the least underwhelming things of this Giro is wondering whose turn it is today to wear the pink slacks - Ashley or Flecha?

Ashley gets his yellow TDF ones all to himself...


the real question is... are they the same pair of trousers!!  Laughing

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