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I-Magic Fortius Vs I-Magic T1900

Ok, I am looking to purchase one of those turbo trainers as my christmas present to myself! Laughing

But which one should I go for? What are the differences between them?
Juggernaut

Hi Berg - I've recently become the proud owner of a Fortius turbo-trainer. I think it's excellent, expecially as I live in Scotland and hence have trouble getting in long rides during the week at this time of year. It does help to be a little computer savvy, as the software has it's quirks...

A key thing to remember is that the software (Virtual Reality 3d worlds, Real Life Video (RLV), etc) is the same for both trainers. So the only thing you need to think about is the differences in the turbo trainer hardware. As far as I can tell, this simply comes down to the "motor-brake". The Fortius has a more advanced system that looks like a big electric motor, whereas the older iMagic looks more like a standard turbo trainer. The Fortius can put up a much stronger resistance, and hence can more accuratly simulate climbs. It advertises up to 25% slopes, but there is debate on the forums about whether it is accurate over 10% - still much better than the iMagic, which I'm told isn't any good over 5% (Bartali can comment on this). The Fortius, being based on an electric motor principal, can also spin your wheel on downhills (ie: you can stop pedalling on downhills and your wheel keeps turning) - this isn't much of a training aid, but is kinda cool. The trainer won't let you go much over 50km an hour downhill however, to prevent overheating...

All in all, the unit has given me a few headaches. Some from software problems, but mostly from dehydration because I sweat so much. I can quite happily sit on it for 2 hours or more, which is a hell of a lot longer than regular trainers without the VR stuff, so that tells you something.

Make sure you have a pretty decent PC - the software is a bit of a resource hog...

You probably shouldn't bother with the new "multi-player" fortius. Although the control unit looks a bit different, it's really all the same hardware and software, plus a 1 year subscription to the online multi-player real-time racing feature. As this online real-time racing hasn't really taken off yet (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) it's probably not worth the extra money at the moment...
CapeRoadie

+1 on the software resource hog thing. Your computer has to have enough juice to run it, no question. One cannot skimp on that. That was the problem I had last year which Bartali helped me sort out. I'm committed to riding outside this year no matter what. Snow? Answer: cyclocross!
Bartali

Berg - i agree with everything above. The Fortius is the better machine as it can reproduce tougher slopes. That said they are both pretty good and take the boredom out of turbo training.

I think you are like me and relish the climbs. I ride the climbs all the time - each time traying to take a few seconds off the last ride.

Whichever machine you choose, we can have a real life video virtual league.
headwind

Guys, do you do any specific interval work or just hammer to the videos? curious. I like the idea of the VR stuff, but it would rapidly get out of a regular training regimen is my guess?

I was looking at the FLOW model whih spits out all the physio data, then plug in my fav race video for company. What makes the VR stuff "da bomb"??

IM sure glad I asked this now instead of 3 months from now...Im hoping to break the chain here and get my ass on 2 wheels...spinning or not!

mille grazie all,

hw
Slapshot

I think Ill go for the I-magic, I know the other one is better, but its only going to be used for about 3 moths per year, I might even get it this weekend, if I do Ill let you know and we can talk about that Justcycling Lounge World Cup!
Bartali

Go for it Berg'.

If you have trouble setting it up - don't get stressed, just checkout the Q&A on the Tacx website. Everyone I know had rouble loading the drivers, but its not a problem once you know how.

HW - I do intervals when I've cracked a certain level of fitness. But I always have an eye on long long climbs keeping both power and cadence up. I'm a great believer in intervals, but equally, when you get into the alps, you need to know what it feel likes to climb for 1 hour +
headwind

Bartali wrote:
Go for it Berg'.

If you have trouble setting it up - don't get stressed, just checkout the Q&A on the Tacx website. Everyone I know had rouble loading the drivers, but its not a problem once you know how.

HW - I do intervals when I've cracked a certain level of fitness. But I always have an eye on long long climbs keeping both power and cadence up. I'm a great believer in intervals, but equally, when you get into the alps, you need to know what it feel likes to climb for 1 hour +


thanks bartali. i do fully understand the 1+ hr climbing story. do yu ever use your trainer during the season?

Im a mac user and so id have to learn how to use the dreaded windows as well as the software and buy a pooter to boot unless i can figure loading windows on my mac......that conversation will be worse than the Crampy vs. Shi-crappo debate!

hw
Bartali

I use it all year round, but not so much in the middle of summer.

Basically, I can get a good work out on the trainer if i've only got 45-60 minutes. Not enough time to get all the kit on and out on the road bike IMO - maybe I'm just slow to get organised! Wink
headwind

i hear that bartali. i need 2.5 hrs for a 90 minute ride. jsut cant do that mid day.

hw
Juggernaut

For me the trainer is all about getting the miles in over winter, when it's dark any time that I'm not working (Cape - snow is no problem, it's the perpetual night of these northern climates that's the problem). Hence, I haven't done anything specific like intervals yet, I've just downloaded some long routes and started pedalling.

I haven't tried any of the Real Life Videos yet (apart from the small sample that comes free with the trainer), but I will get some. I really enjoy the VR cycling, for the following reasons...
* Variety - you only get three "worlds" with the trainer, but there are untold different routes that people have made for these, from flat to rolling to mountainous, and of varying lengths (90km is the longest I've seen so far). You can make your own if you buy the optional steering frame, but it's really not neccesary.
* Repeatability - you can race against your previous rides (or other people's rides), and scale the time (make the person faster or slower). So you could find yourself desperatly trying to hold your own wheel Smile Since there are no factors such as traffic or weather to alter your ride, this makes it very easy to compare rides (using the analyser software) and measure progress.
* It ain't boring - maybe you need to "suspend disbelief" a bit to get worked up about racing virtual characters on a screen, but it works for me! Trying to close a gap or hold the wheel of someone in front, or keep a gap that you've opened up, really helps time fly by. I rode 58km last night, and was off the front for most of it (need to speed my opponents up next time), so that got a bit boring, but I had 1 virtual pacer to keep me company Smile

The trainer is far from perfect, and there is much scope for improvement, but it's made a huge difference to my training (like, I actually do some now). Headwind - if you're not familiar with PCs then you can avoid a lot of trouble by getting one with Windows XP on it (if that's still possible), instead of Vista. There's a lot of problems with Vista it seems...
headwind

ive decided to go with the tacx flow.  gives all the vital physio and can do the VR with an upgrade if i ever care to go for it.  with the savings i got a new lcd tv to watch the old dvds!

berg...you get the i magic?
Bartali

Anyone using the RLV?  If so, which ones?
Juggernaut

Not yet, but I'm thinking of buying some. I'll probably get the Marmotte one, the Tour of Lombardy (seems highly recommended) and the Tourmalet RLV when it comes out. Any other recommendations?
thunderthighs

turbo trainer is bullshit.. run.. example.. 200metre at 75% with 200 recovery..
repeat 10 times.. then the last moth before summer get on bike...

for a few months get of bike it weakens you... ciao
Bartali

Juggernaut wrote:
Not yet, but I'm thinking of buying some. I'll probably get the Marmotte one, the Tour of Lombardy (seems highly recommended) and the Tourmalet RLV when it comes out. Any other recommendations?


The Pyrenenes one is good - Pereysourde(sp?), Aspin etc.  Essentially it is the end of the Hinchapie wheel sucking stage.  Marmotte one is very good too.  Lombardy my third favourite.
Bartali

thunderthighs wrote:
turbo trainer is bullshit.. run.. example.. 200metre at 75% with 200 recovery..
repeat 10 times.. then the last moth before summer get on bike...

for a few months get of bike it weakens you... ciao


Easier said than done TT.  I can only just walk ... no chance of running for another 6 months I think.  Even intervals oon the bike are a couple of months away at least.

Thanks for the tip on pushing through with my heels - found me an extra 20 Watts!
Juggernaut

The last time I went running I broke my ankle. Two wheels good - two legs bad...
Juggernaut

Thanks Bartali - I've purchased those 3, as well as the Tour and Flanders and Green Heart of Holland
thunderthighs

bartali..no problem...ciao

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