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MerlinGuy

Hmm, so called safe PEDs not so safe

Well, there's not a lot of exact information in the article but it seems that slamming a bunch of EPO into your Pro Cycling blood stream could actually kill you or perhaps worsen your cancer. But what the hell, what's a testicle worth compared to 7 TdF wins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09amgen.html?ref=health
Ralphnorman

supposedly riding the TdF takes 3 years off your life...are they going to ban that? also if this is true, then Eki has lost 75 years Shocked
CapeRoadie

Re: Hmm, so called safe PEDs not so safe

MerlinGuy wrote:
Well, there's not a lot of exact information in the article but it seems that slamming a bunch of EPO into your Pro Cycling blood stream could actually kill you or perhaps worsen your cancer. But what the hell, what's a testicle worth compared to 7 TdF wins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09amgen.html?ref=health


No news there. No drug is safe when overused.
MerlinGuy

Read it again, they're not saying overused, they're saying just plain used. Pretty much the advice is once the patient reaches minimal levels of blood cells they should take them off EPO. This would mean that for a healthy cyclist any use is overuse and dangerous. Doubt we will be seeing EPO usage legalized any time soon in our dimension.
CapeRoadie

MerlinGuy wrote:
Read it again, they're not saying overused, they're saying just plain used. Pretty much the advice is once the patient reaches minimal levels of blood cells they should take them off EPO. This would mean that for a healthy cyclist any use is overuse and dangerous. Doubt we will be seeing EPO usage legalized any time soon in our dimension.


From your article:

Quote:
...The changes, made in consultation with the Food and Drug Administration, come after a year in which accumulating data have suggested that the drugs ó Amgenís Epogen and Aranesp, and Johnson & Johnsonís Procrit ó can be dangerous if overused...


Try again, MG.
cardinal guzman

Hi MG,

maybe this is a sign of a general acceptance of what Cape has been telling us - that the 'safest' way to deliver these chemicals is in micro doses, carefully and specifically tailered to a closely monitored individual not just prescribed by a doctor according to general guidelines?
MS

I gave up a testicle on some singletrack once for nothing more than the adulation of a chipmunk, so I'd be more than willing to give up the other for even one Tour win.

Anybody have Dr. Ferrari's number?
CapeRoadie

I have it.  Or you can reach him here:

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=programs.aboutMF
SlowRower

MS wrote:
I gave up a testicle on some singletrack once for nothing more than the adulation of a chipmunk, so I'd be more than willing to give up the other for even one Tour win.


I gave up one some years ago in a selfless attempt to polish the boot of an opposition prop forward in my last game of rugby. (It was a complete accident.) I can safely say that no amount of TDF wins will persuade me to part company with the other.
SlowRower

Re: Hmm, so called safe PEDs not so safe

MerlinGuy wrote:
But what the hell, what's a testicle worth compared to 7 TdF wins.


That definitely depends on whether it's one of a pair, or the last one you've got!
sheeponabike

SlowRower wrote:
MS wrote:
I gave up a testicle on some singletrack once for nothing more than the adulation of a chipmunk, so I'd be more than willing to give up the other for even one Tour win.


I gave up one some years ago in a selfless attempt to polish the boot of an opposition prop forward in my last game of rugby. (It was a complete accident.) I can safely say that no amount of TDF wins will persuade me to part company with the other.

Laughing
SlowRower

sheeponabike wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
MS wrote:
I gave up a testicle on some singletrack once for nothing more than the adulation of a chipmunk, so I'd be more than willing to give up the other for even one Tour win.


I gave up one some years ago in a selfless attempt to polish the boot of an opposition prop forward in my last game of rugby. (It was a complete accident.) I can safely say that no amount of TDF wins will persuade me to part company with the other.

Laughing


I can smile about it now but it was chuffing painful at the time.  Shocked
Mrs John Murphy

Is the run in with the prop's boot why it was your last game?
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Is the run in with the prop's boot why it was your last game?


Indeed. Once bitten twice shy! The odds of it happening again were negligible, but I never fancied a career as a "Castrato Tenor" so retirement seemed like the best option. I was crap at rugby anyway, so it was no great sacrifice to give up rugby.

Although I wouldn't recommened losing half the Crown Jewels, it's proved quite handy whilst biking. If you land on the crossbar unexpectedly, you've a 50/50 chance of it not hurting too much!

My wife observed at the time of Lance's fall in the 2003 TDF that if he'd been "normal" in his lycra, the impact with the crossbar when his foot came out of the pedal would have left him sobbing by the roadside and the history of cycling would be very different. Smile

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