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headwind

help!!!!!!!

My Austria trip CANCELLED Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad


Im trying to get to Biarritz from Paris...im on hold with Delta right now.

EZ Jet?
TVG?
crash48

TGV.

http://www.raileurope.co.uk/

Great bargins and a great and easy way to travel-very fast as well
crash48

6 hours for this on TGV-so not as fast as I though.

Ryanair do that route and they are cheap
headwind

crash...ok/easy with bike?

I land at CDG 800 am...would I make a 900 am train?????????????????
crash48

You land where -De Gaule?

I thought you needed to get to Paris from Biarritz?

Bike is very easy on train-just needs to be in bike bag and plenly of room in luggage racks.
headwind

Yeah, Im now landing at Charles deGaulle, round 8 am. the train out is 856a. the next one leaves at 2 gets to biarritz at 900p.

do i need to prebook or can i get a tic on the train?

I have this case for my bike: http://www.cyclingreviews.com/reviews/iron_case.php
crash48

I can't see you making that train-the airport is a fair way out, and what with customs etc.

The TGV goes to a lot of other places that are near biarritz-so you could just hire a car for the day to get you there. That way you would have more travel time options and not be in such a rush. Also it would be quicker.

The case should be right on the train but you can check with Rail europe or TGV.
tourmalet

headwind wrote:
Yeah, Im now landing at Charles deGaulle, round 8 am. the train out is 856a. the next one leaves at 2 gets to biarritz at 900p.

do i need to prebook or can i get a tic on the train?

I have this case for my bike: http://www.cyclingreviews.com/reviews/iron_case.php


You need to book with TGV and for your bike too if i remember correctly. Strictly speaking they have max size dimensions for bikes in a 'housse' (bike bag) but nobody ever checked mine. Best would be to call SNCF as i don;t think you can book bikes on line.
headwind

tourmalet wrote:
Best would be to call SNCF as i don;t think you can book bikes on line.


who?

nevermind
headwind

In checking trains much of the evening here, its not clear that I can actually leave from Charles de Gaulle Airport on a train heading to Biarritz?????

do i have to go to montparnasse train stn?

ezjet and ryan dont seem to make that flight.

appreciating any detailed help out of paris.
headwind

can anyone tell me what Paris station this really is and if its a shit to get to CDG airport?


11:41PM/29 Jul Biarritz

6:00AM/30 Jul Paris Mont 1 Et 2
crash48

You can't go from CDG.

You would have to get yourself into Paris and leave from a station there.

There is a 12 10 pm train that takes 5 hours direct.

http://www.raileurope.co.uk/europ...;gclid=COrbkLXuzowCFQNQEgodpk-3tw
naspa

It goes from Montepasse - it doesn't run on Fridays or Sundays according to my timetable.

Leaves at 12.10 and arrives in Biarritz at 17.18

Your return train likewise goes to Montepasse.

There is a direct train from Charles de Gualle to Biarritz but they only run on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

You can get the RER line B from CDG to about a block away from Montepasse
headwind

Ok, thanks for the help....

does this look reasonable as a way to get from CDG to montparnasse?

http://aircityshuttle.tourpackage...=3&l=loc_34&affiliate=731
naspa

Personally I would get the RER but if you are not keen on trying to negotiate with the Paris transport system then the bus route is fine.

http://europeforvisitors.com/pari...-ground-transportation-trains.htm
headwind

thanks naspa. Remember, Ill be hauling luggage and a bike...I need this to be simple as possible.
naspa

Take the bus then. It is easy and straight forward. The less changes the better.

I walked from Nord to Est in about 20 minutes with 2x rucksack, suitcase, laptop bag.

Not exactly fun.
headwind

is this the right train sched????????? if i look at raileurope i dont get these trains.

http://www.bonjourlafrance.net/fr...t/paris-ile-de-france-hendaye.htm

if it doesnt say BIKE does that mean I cant get a bike on?????
naspa

Let me check with my timetable.

If you get stuck a friend of mine is a travel agent dealing with european rail transport. I can give you her email and you could contact her for advice.
naspa

Try this:

http://www.mayq.com/Best_european...ring4_trains_and_bikes.htm#France
headwind

thanks naspa
naspa

I sent you a PM.
headwind

got it
headwind

ok, im catching lift from biarritz back to paris on the 29th...and luckily managed to gert a hotel room...given that the tour ends the 29th...not sure Ill make it in time for the finish.

still sorting out the paris-biarritz commute, but thanking all for the help.
naspa

I spoke to my friend. She says she'll investigate on tuesday. She says that the best thing to do is to contact SNCF direct - but if you drop her an email she'll see what she can do.

She says her normal response when someone says they want to take their bike is to hide under the table!!!!
sheeponabike

Why are you going to Biarritz if your holiday is in Austria?
bbnaz

because he can...........
sheeponabike

OK. Well, good luck hw, and enjoy the climbing.
smarauder68

headwind wrote:
ok, im catching lift from biarritz back to paris on the 29th...and luckily managed to gert a hotel room...given that the tour ends the 29th...not sure Ill make it in time for the finish.

still sorting out the paris-biarritz commute, but thanking all for the help.


too bad you're not going earlier or later....You could be our "on the scene" correspondent for the TDF as they pass thru the pyranees or if you wait until September, you could catch the Vuelta....or make a short drive to Bilbao and catch some really compelling Segunda liga action...Smile
Slapshot

sure he will enjoy it!
tourmalet

headwind wrote:
can anyone tell me what Paris station this really is and if its a shit to get to CDG airport?


11:41PM/29 Jul Biarritz

6:00AM/30 Jul Paris Mont 1 Et 2


i have taken my bike across Paris on the metro in a bag and it's not easy - lots of changes and security gates you can't get a bike through. Ive also taken it to and from CDG by RER (and depending on wehich terminal you also have to get a bus).

Gare du Nord (where you come into from CDG) is a warren as well - bloody nightmare with a bike. If you have found a bus direct from CDP to Montparnasse which takes bagged bikes then go for it. I think Air France also do a bus service from CDG into various central Paris destinations.
crash48

Its not very easy, but its still ok I reckon.

As tourmalet has stated it can be a hassle, but I was over there 3 weeks ago, and got the Eurostar to gare du nord and then had to get to gare du Lyon.

That can be a pain getting around that station, but So long as you have wheels on your bike bag you will be fine. But if there is a bus from the airport go get it.

2nd division football in spain is about the same as teams 8 to last in the English premier league. Smile
tourmalet

Agreed - don't want to put you off - it's do-able but if there's a direct bus service from CDG to Montparnasse you might find it easier to use that.

Just looked it up and Air France do run a service to Montparnasse from CDG every 30 mins from 7:30am to 9pm which takes 45-60 mins. If you want info in advance call Air France on + 33 1 41 56 89 00 or they have an info desk at the airport.
headwind

thanks
headwind

naspa, i sent her an email just now.

thanks. hw
naspa

How did you get on? Did you sort it out in the end?
headwind

naspa,...did hear back. ive been on travels for a week and not even thought about this issue.
sheeponabike

Is your Austria trip done and dusted then?
If so how did it go?
headwind

sheep...done...for sure...it was cancelled. So, I moved things back two weeks and now doing Basque Country...all between Biarritz, San Sebastian, and Pamplona

Havent been riding much with the various odd health issues, but im feeling better, and I have 3 weeks to get some miles in.

Ill ride the best i can and eat paella til I explode!
sheeponabike

ok - can't wait to hear about it!
headwind

will do. Ill be taking plenty of pix as well. looking forward to climbing the jaizkabel...but I surely wont be taking the funny hat at the bottom of it when we get to san sebastian!
bbnaz

Have a terrific time HW. Plenty of photos if you please and try to include one with you and the trusty steed in it too.
CapeRoadie

sheeponabike wrote:
ok - can't wait to hear about it!


Ditto. Have a great trip!
headwind

thnaks all. im gonna do the best i can given my current training level. im betting on the paella in any event.

hw
Slapshot

have a fantastic time HW!!!!!! you will be fine, and enjoy the landscape, the food and the people!!!! and be careful, you might want to stay there forever!!!
headwind

Anyone here ridden Col de Bagargui? Im looking for it on Google Earth/Maps. i will be going through Larrau, but its not clear fromthere which road it is. Ive lloked it up on climb by bike, but I get nothing for a map (the Michelin maps are hopeless on my computer for some reason).

Any info welcome.

Cheers, HW
headwind

heres the profile

http://www.climbbybike.com/climb....l-Bagargui&qryMountainID=5803
Slapshot

Here it is




and Larrau

headwind

the area of my little venture, with some of the planned cols marked.

should be excellent. We are staying in Ainhoa, St Jean pied de Port, Pamplona, and hondaribbia, and Biddaray

tourmalet

headwind wrote:
Anyone here ridden Col de Bagargui?

Cheers, HW


i did it when i rode accross the whole pyrenees from east to west. it was the WORST climb on the trip - really hard. Couldn't see much scenery as it rained all day. Hope you enjoy it more than me! let me know if it's got good views...
headwind

harder than, i dont know, the tourmalet?
Bartali

Some seriously steep sections looking at the profile! Good luck my friend!
headwind

my form is pitiful, so itll be plenty slow. but hey Ive been out 5 days in a row...last night 2 hours with some decent hills. but Im tired today.
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
my form is pitiful, so itll be plenty slow. but hey Ive been out 5 days in a row...last night 2 hours with some decent hills. but Im tired today.


Have a blast! Send pics! You will ride yourself into shape.
headwind

...or oblivion
tourmalet

headwind wrote:
harder than, i dont know, the tourmalet?


personally i found it hurt more than the tourmalet, but it could have been psychological - i was expecting the tourmalet to be really hard. i find the big ones hurt less - it's the littler ones that can surprise you. anything over 12% kills me - below 8% i'm happy as larry - but we're all different.

also i already had quite a lot of cols in my legs before i started it - which might have made it feel worse. don't want to put you off! i nearly got killed by a suicidal chicken on the descent as well.
headwind

Ok gang. Im off tomorrow, and lots of packing today and tonight. Ill try to check in from time to time. Pics forthcoming after I return.

Cheers, HW
berck

Lots of luck to you HW. Don't forget that camera when you leave on the ride! Wink
Slapshot

have a great time and ride around my homeland!!! Sad Sad
Bartali

HW - Have a fantastic trip! Happy and safe cycling!
headwind

Thanks all. Really...as Ive been convalescing, this board saved my life more than a few times...this is an excellent proj and glad youve stuck with it bergar.

Camera...check. and a new 1GB flash card.
Edge 305 and strap...check. with new batteries.

Bagargui on SATURDAY god willing, after warming up on d'Osquiche. Send me good vibes!!

hw
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
...or oblivion


I'd like to ride there myself. Very Happy
headwind

sitting on a plane trapped a bad weather but able to surf a my iPhone!
Bartali

I want an iPhone!!!
headwind

sitting in atlanta! Next stop Paris !!! iPhone extremely cool!
naspa

Did you sort out about the trains in the end?
headwind

travel sorted but not via ruth as she cant send tix out of uk. Here in Ainhoa after 24 he of continuous travel...not sure how strong I'm gonna be today. It gorgeous here!
Bartali

ENJOY!
headwind

Bartali wrote:
ENJOY!


Ok gang day one done. 5.5 hrs about 1200 m of climbing, including col des palombieres with 16 % ramps. I celebrated survival with a Txokoli (for you Berg!) and gateaux basque...Berg please explain. Ill write a better summary with pix later. Gorgeous here but COLD today and plenty of belgian sunshine! Hw
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
Bartali wrote:
ENJOY!


Ok gang day one done. 5.5 hrs about 1200 m of climbing, including col des palombieres with 16 % ramps. I celebrated survival with a Txokoli (for you Berg!) and gateaux basque...Berg please explain. Ill write a better summary with pix later. Gorgeous here but COLD today and plenty of belgian sunshine! Hw


EXCELLENT, CF!!!!

Have some beer, chocolate and cycling for me. And do send pix, yes!
headwind

Holy shit. thats really all i have to say. Col D'Osquiche beautiful...just beautiful. Bagargui. There are no words for it. Im not sure what it means in Basque, but in Eanglish the loose translation would be mountain of endless doom and suffering. I failed to reach laurrau. Tourmalet, you were right. I wish i had a triple as a double was nowhere near sufficienct. I ran out of life in the last steep climn into Larrau. One person in our group with a double made it, 100 yards at a time, the rest were triples with like 30 x 27 . Most walked several km. One guy literally fell over when seeing the last few couple hundred meters. The last guy made it in 4ish hours. Cofidis was having a Vuelta training camp and brough the team who absolutely suffered, and the DS of the day helped my buddy by offing a bottle and a tow for a km. It was an amazing site to see the carnage.

Ive developed achilles soreness and I feel my tendons kind of scrunching as I flex my foot....Cape I need suggestions????? I need them tres vit!

The area is beUTIFUL BEYOND WORDs with pix coming.
bbnaz

I always wonder if you will truly come back when you go there. Waxing poetic you are!

Sounds stellar, looking forward to your photos. Cool
headwind

very pretty here. big frigin mts. we rode part of the stage from orthez to col d'aubisque.

i need more gears. well over 10,000 feet of climbing in 2 days, and i didnt make bagargui.

hw
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
...Ive developed achilles soreness and I feel my tendons kind of scrunching as I flex my foot....Cape I need suggestions????? I need them tres vite!...


Stretch your calf (gastrocnemius and soleus), then ice down after every ride. Put the ice over the Achilles and possibly calf muscles after you stretch. Take an anti-inflammatory (e.g., Ibuprofen). Sounds like the climbing really stressed your calf muscles. When muscles are overworked, they shorten quite a bit. I'd be willing to bet that you didn't stretch them after your ride (the most important time to stretch). A good post-ride massage is an excellent way to help the problem as well. Your calves are all bound up, and it's manifesting as an Achilles problem.

The next time you ride, make sure you warm up very well (i.e., at least 30 minutes), gradually increasing the intensity. Pay attention to how the back of the heels feel, and also the calf muscles. If you have pain, ride in an easier gear. Also, try not to push down on the pedals too much, especially when you climb. Pedal circles, yes, but if needed, do more pulling up on the pedals. This will use the muscles opposite the calf (tibialis anterior) and give the calf muscles much needed rest during a ride. You've been mashing, mon ami. The other way to think about pedaling is to keep your feet parallel to horizontal at all times (i.e., don't let your toes point down when you pedal; keep them level).

Have fun!
headwind

Over the ibaneta in pouring rain. About a 20 km climb. I'm done. Achilles has me favoring left leg so that knee is sore. But I did it! Longest climb in my life! Hw
Bartali

headwind wrote:
Over the ibaneta in pouring rain. About a 20 km climb. I'm done. Achilles has me favoring left leg so that knee is sore. But I did it! Longest climb in my life! Hw


Good man HW - we are all very proud of you!
kellyrocheearly

Well done HW
headwind

merci beaucoup!
Slapshot

Well done HW!!!!! It looks like you are having a great time!!!

About the Gateau Basque, is just a traditional cake, specially in the area, and it can be made in many different ways, but in anyway is very tasty!!!

Did you like the Txakoli???
sheeponabike

Bravo headwind!
looking forward to pics - sounds amazing.
take it easy...
berck

Great job HW. Be careful not to injure yourself, too much.
headwind

Thanks all. Tomorrow is a rest day, for me anyway. We're in Pamplona, and its a lovely city so sightseeing and relaxing with a book is in store. Need time to get my quads recharged and have my achilles and knee rest.

Today was definitely epic. We left St Jean Pied de Port at 9 am. Not 1 minute into the ride it started raining. Not 2 minutes into the ride the road tilted upwards. After yesterdays relative riding disaster, when i felt like crap all day, today seemed rather omintous with the Ibaneta starting 6 miles after the "grand depart". I actually made arrangements for the sag to collect me from somewhere on the road...more on the significance of this a bit later in the post. Within about 10 minutes is was a pure pissing rain like those of you in England would love. Cold, windy, and wet. Pure Belgian sunshine. I figured straight away the news was bad. Anyways, the fast group dropped me when the climb proper began, although we had been climbing km before that (odd the start would be where they placed it in my eyes). As you might expect, in the morning chaos, I left my rain cape in the van, and by then it was pouring and 45 minutes from the start, I was "in the shower" wet. Anyways the climb has a lot of 4 5 6 7% and I figured I could spin that out for a spell. I was alone already and had passed one other slow climber...so it would be 18 km with me, my bike, and the Puerto. Essentially I found a comfortable enough HR zone that was enough in sync with my achilles and knee, and kept turning. Each km was marked, and while I noted the starting number, I failed to remember it quickly...so as each km clicked, I could not tell how far was left, which frustrated me. Out of the blue, a Liz Phair song jumped in my mind, and it played with me the entire way up...odd how those things happen. I rememebr passing some little town 5+ km in and saw a guy in the shop front who looked at me like I was nuts and I uttered "tres difficile" to which he laughed. I was already rather cold, being only in summer kit and pedalling hard to keep warm. The 6-7% stuff was good enough to keep it grinding and I was feeling remarkably spry all things considered, so onward it was. About 12 km in, the support van passed by and I waved to stop. seeing a bike on the roof, i knew the person I passed had given up the ghost and they figured I was next and started making room. They were surprised to find all I wanted was another bottle and my rain cape, which was utterly useless for water, but I figured it would trap some body heat, and it did. I did ask them to wait on the summit for me and if I didnt show in some expected time, to come fetch me road side.

Car after car passed by really speeding up and down this soaked road with blind corners...I was amazed. I was trying to find the best neutral lines through the bends without being killed by traffinc and on the steep inside corners I went wide into oncoming traffic...against better judgement, but I was pretty tired and didnt want to add any extra work. After 1.5 hr or so, I promised myself a little rest and a gel, which i did and shed the cape as I was hot. by then I was pretty high up and figured it could only be a few km and so I just pushed off and said I would not be denied this col. I passed a guy on a touring bike with hundreds of pounds of panniers walking up...and felt that option sucked...we said bon jour and that was it. Near the top I knew the climb flattened and saw a few signs for "horizontal orientation" and figured I was close. I was catching a pair of folks ahead of me which really made me happy. They could have been cripples on wheelchairs but in my mind I was catching the break and they made good fodder for chasing. I could tell we were close as the mountains were not above level horizon anymore, made a right hand bend, saw the pair, then a steep ramp and a church up the way...summit for sure. A major headwind was blowng straight down the last 200 m and I just pushed hard as I could. I didnt catch the pair, but one of our group was standing on a wall and I heard clapping. I was very cold again and soaked again, pulled to the van, got some dry clothes and a vest, then posed for a pikky on the summit. I had been riding 2.5+ hours basically all up hill and I was beat. I descended for a km to a restaurant where the rest were waiting...the fast group came in 20 min ahead...not bad on 18 km of climbing in my mind. I had a marveloous cafe au lait, decided that I had done all i needed and packed it in, foregoing the 50 km descent to Pamplona. My knee was sore and I did the hard work...that was enough.

Riding into Pamplona, I was readinthe flandis book and just got to the stage 17 story and got to thinking. Yesterday, I was total shit. I couldnt hold the wheel of a 60 year old riding a heavy bike on a slight uphill run into the Bagargui. I was complete toast. I took a big pull on a recovery drink as soon as I stopped sulking about my lack of performance. I had a better nights sleep. And today, I did a climb 3x the length of the d'Osquiche, in which I suffered like a dog, and felt much much stronger. at some point that crossed my mind about the stage 16 crash and stage 17 magic...it did happen to me...in some minor similar way. Im not saying he didnt dope, but I think of he was, it was long bfore and all during the tour, and not a magic potion taken the night after stage 16.

cheers all. hw
CapeRoadie

Bartali wrote:
headwind wrote:
Over the ibaneta in pouring rain. About a 20 km climb. I'm done. Achilles has me favoring left leg so that knee is sore. But I did it! Longest climb in my life! Hw


Good man HW - we are all very proud of you!


Way to go, HW!
headwind

Doc, muchas gracia for the advice. Indees Im mashing. Not having calf cramps, but I get your point. Im gonna stretch more. My right achilles fells like its "grinding" a bit when stretching.

Theres one issue with the spin faster plan...Im outta teeth amigo. Im mashing in the granny gear!

Berg...you underplay Gateau Basque! Weve been having these round cakes with a cherry preserves filling...and its absolute heaven! The cherry jam sems to be a basque fav and its to die for...even on goat cheese and jam sandwiches which I was told was the local custom????? Loved the Txacoli too. nice and not so alcoholic.

hw
CapeRoadie

Headwind in a headwind! Congratulations on the climbs! What a difference 6 months can make, eh? How are the legs, my good man? (I agree with you on Landis. Even with the dope, what he did was absolutely incredible!)
sheeponabike

Christ hw, sounds fantastic, but take it easy man.
This is about enjoyment first and foremost!
headwind

CapeRoadie wrote:
Headwind in a headwind! Congratulations on the climbs! What a difference 6 months can make, eh? How are the legs, my good man? (I agree with you on Landis. Even with the dope, what he did was absolutely incredible!)


Im on the limit cape. Since March, I have logged all of 7 hrs of training on flat roads 1 week before departing...Im pretty tired and now choosing parts of rides I want to do...90-125 km each day is too much right now. Im doing half days...about 3 hr of riding. hw
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
Doc, muchas gracia for the advice. Indeed I'm mashing. Not having calf cramps, but I get your point. Im gonna stretch more. My right achilles fells like its "grinding" a bit when stretching.

Theres one issue with the spin faster plan...Im outta teeth amigo. Im mashing in the granny gear!...hw


Yes, you see the Achilles tendon is the tendon to, you guessed it, the CALF. Make sure you have a higher heart rate when stretching (i.e., you're warmed up adequately--after the ride is the best time). An adequate warm-up before you ride will help the Achilles.

headwind wrote:
I'm on the limit cape. Since March, I have logged all of 7 hrs of training on flat roads 1 week before departing...Im pretty tired and now choosing parts of rides I want to do...90-125 km each day is too much right now. Im doing half days...about 3 hr of riding. hw


Don't kill yourself! You may suffer a serious bout of TMTSD (too much too soon disease) resulting in Achilles tendonitis (you're on your way). Stretch a lot, then ice down after your rides, man! Have fun!
kellyrocheearly

+1
take it easy HW
headwind

I hear ya guys. Just uploaded the ride data...26 miles of pretty much all climbing.

3 days and now 13,000 feet of uphill.
Bartali

Sounds like a great trip. What's the organising company?
headwind

http://www.veloclassic.com/

owner a great friend of mine. you'd love one of these trips bartali, believe me.
bbnaz

outstanding HW. So glad that you are there and doing it.
CapeRoadie

bbnaz wrote:
outstanding HW. So glad that you are there and doing it.


Hope he doesn't overdo it (any more than already). bb, what's up?!
headwind

following your advice cape I'm cutting back to 3 hr rides which are serious enough and stretching/icing. Yesterday did the jaizkabel at the end of a 3.5 hr ride. Its a singular beauty to be on. Literally one of the most scenic climbs imaginable. Simply beautiful...and LOTS of jo plankaert painted on road!!! Bottom hard berg, but top only easy in the last couple km.
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
following your advice cape I'm cutting back to 3 hr rides which are serious enough and stretching/icing. Yesterday did the jaizkabel at the end of a 3.5 hr ride. Its a singular beauty to be on. Literally one of the most scenic climbs imaginable. Simply beautiful...and LOTS of jo plankaert painted on road!!! Bottom hard berg, but top only easy in the last couple km.


Good man! Wish I could be there! What's the buzz regarding le Tour where you are, hw? What's everybody's take on all this madness?
headwind

thanks cape. Basically all race winners or riders with great rides are all dopers. That's the default position. Pro cycling is a joke is the prevailing sentiment. Everyone loves it, but no one takes it for real.
CapeRoadie

headwind wrote:
thanks cape. Basically all race winners or riders with great rides are all dopers. That's the default position. Pro cycling is a joke is the prevailing sentiment. Everyone loves it, but no one takes it for real.


I take it "for real" because, and very unlike pro "wrestling", there remains a hell of a lot of effort to make it through a 3-week Grand Tour. In addition, if we drug tested the other sports, they would be as much, if not more of, a "joke". After this week of riding, you must surely realize that with or without drugs, climbing the steep, long mountain cols is extremely difficult.

I look at it another way. With drugs, the efforts are just as difficult for these riders as without. The only difference is that they go faster. On drugs, it is absolutely possible to make as much an effort as without. Therefore, it is no joke. Perceived exertion can remain the same in a doped rider if he or she is going faster, harder and longer.
tourmalet

don't forget to upload the pics. sounds great. very jealous! my knees regularly squelch and creak when i've ridden up too many hills - i just taken ibuprofen every 4 hours....
sheeponabike

tourmalet wrote:
don't forget to upload the pics. sounds great. very jealous! my knees regularly squelch and creak when i've ridden up too many hills - i just taken ibuprofen every 4 hours....


my knees, and lower back give me gip these days, so what's this "ibuprofen" then?

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