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Grand Tour Routes 2016

Giro leaked.... AGAIN!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2...e-days-before-milan-presentation/
Biosphere

Looks gentler than some of the recent editions. More flattish stages than we're used to? Three stages against the clock - futile attempt to tempt Froome?
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Biosphere wrote:
Looks gentler than some of the recent editions. More flattish stages than we're used to? Three stages against the clock - futile attempt to tempt Froome?


Certainly seems that way.. maybe this one is a hoax to annoy the leakees11
mazda

A Friday start.
Feels more like a Tour, what with the Alpine stages at the end.
Might see Giant put their new found focus to an early test.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Looks gentler than some of the recent editions. More flattish stages than we're used to? Three stages against the clock - futile attempt to tempt Froome?


Well, the last is a mountain ITT which, while being no Monte Grappa, will be fairly testing.

CN had this to say about the hills:

Quote:
According to a report in the Turin-based La Stampa newspaper, the 2016 Giro d'Italia will finish in Turin after a series of spectacular mountain stages in the Dolomites and Alps.

The second rest day is set to be near Imola and Bologna before a second week in the mountains of northeast Italy after a sprint finish in Jesolo. According to La Stampa, stage 12 finishes in Sappada, near the Sorgenti del Piave mountain refuge, with the mountain time trial to Alpe di Siusi. The race then heads west to Livigno via Andalo for the third and final rest day on Monday, May 23.

La Stampa claims that the three decisive mountain stages in the Alps have been funded and supported by cycling fan and businessman, Elvio Chiatellino, who played a key role in bringing the Tour de France to the region in the past. The trio of mountain stages will end in Pinerolo, Risoul in France and then Sant'Anna di Vinadio. Stage 18 includes the little known La Colletta and the Colle di Pra Martino as it circles Pinerolo. Stage 19 includes the massive Colle dell'Agnello before the finish in Risoul, while stage 20 will return to Italy via the Colle di Vars, the Colle Fauniera and end with the climb to Sant'Anna di Vinadio. The final road race stage on Sunday, May 29 will start in Cuneo and end in Turin.


Including this approximation, pinched from an Italian poster on CN:


I also heard a while back that the Tuscany sterrato is back.

Biosphere

I think all of the ITTs will be testing (OK, less so the opening Friday) so I wasn't so much suggesting they were part of the "easier" stages Smile

That said the last ITT is 11km of climbing so it's a different dynamic to a mountain stage.

Wonder if Porte fancies his chances at another go at the Giro?
HuwB

Rai Sport 1 have live coverage of the Giro presentation, this afternoon.
So I'll probably give it a go.
Bartali

Doesn't look like a classic though the Maratona stage into Corvara is a corker if they race it!
Bartali

Maybe they have gone flat so the 100th Giro in 2017 will look that much better Smile
gerry12ie

I do like the Chianti TT.  That will roll and roll and roll and I guess some fairly decent kicks along the way too.  It looks to take in a fair chunk of Granfondo del Gallo Nero which looks like this...



A beautiful spot.
HuwB

Yes, I deleted this post from the 2015 route thread:

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A horrid route. Far fewer mountains, yet still totally back loaded.
All the profiles are up on Steephill:

http://www.steephill.tv/giro-d-italia/

This being categorised as a 3 star, medium mountain stage:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/p...2016/giro-d-italia/profile-11.jpg


Not only back loaded, but almost all of it in France!
Plus, a huge risk factor built into both of the big stages by going over 2700 metres in both. Some iffy roads, too.
Bartali

Not good Sad
HuwB

Good, one stop info link:
http://www.cyclingpro.net/spazioc...015-svelato-il-percorso-ufficiale
Biosphere

After what was deemed a successful weekend visit of Tour De Suisse this year,  rumours that Le Tour is coming to Bern for 2nd rest day so will be messing up my daily commute for 3 days Wink

Also rumours that a replay of the Dauphine stage where Froome cracked and Contador rode away from him on the climb to Lac d'Emoson is on the cards. I was surprised on the day I was there the trouble they were going to welcome visitors. Met us off the train, gave us souvenir baseball caps embroidered with the stage details, bottles of water and bus up to the finish. It makes more sense now.

http://www.velowire.com/article/9...-route-and-the-stage-cities-.html
Bartali

I heard that there was a stage into Luchon then an ITT up Superbangres. Then a Luchon depart ... but it isn't mentioned on the link.
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
I heard that there was a stage into Luchon then an ITT up Superbangres. Then a Luchon depart ... but it isn't mentioned on the link.


Send it in to them, you will get a days supply* of haribo sweets from them if its right. Wink

*days supply based on Nolte  family haribo addiction
HuwB

Well, the Andorra rumours in there are most probably true.
When we were in Vielha for the Vuelta, we were told they were planning a something similar to the Cortals d'Encamp stage, but to say nothing.
Since it's out there....
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
I heard that there was a stage into Luchon then an ITT up Superbangres. Then a Luchon depart ... but it isn't mentioned on the link.


You'll know soon enough but Stage 8 has been updated in the link above

Quote:
UPDATE 18 October 2015 at 8.40PM: while La Semaine des Pyrénées and La République des Pyrénées seemed to confirm the finish in Loudenvielle this week, the most recent information I got make this stage finish in Bagnères-de-Luchon anyway, as seemed to indicate La Dépêche. This would thus be a finish location which has become usual every two years since 2010, where the stage was won by Michael Rogers (Tinkoff-Saxo) in 2014 ahead of Thomas Voeckler who won the stage there in 2010 and in 2012. I can not be 100% sure of this finish (especially becaude the local media thus mentioned a stage finish in Loudenvielle recently ... was that a simple copy of my initial information??) but since the most recent info indicates me that it would be Bagnères-de-Luchon, I fill in a finish there now.
HuwB

Off to Southern Spain in the morning, so will miss the live Tour presentation which will take place while I'm in the air.
Hope it's interesting enough to stimulate some debate here, to give me something to read when I get back.

Congratulations on breaking my Maurader run, Bio.

I'm putting that here because I don't want to see Last post: HuwB on every sub forum. Wink
mazda

Looks very mountainous to me.
A lot of climbs packed in to 2 days in the Pyrenees, plus whatever they go over on their way out to Revel (and Aspin on the stage into the Pyrenees ?)

Then you have Ventoux, two days in the Juras, before 4 consecutive days in the Alps including an uphill ITT.

The two Monts - Mont St Michel to Mont Blanc !
Fontfroide

Looks like a good Tour.  There don't appear to be many flat bits in the mountains between climbs, always good for adventures.  Some mountain top finishes for that kind of drama, but also some stages with some downhill finishes, some directly after the downhill.  Those could be good too, I adore the downhills.  No team time trial, which suits me fine.   A sprint finish in Montpellier which I will go to see, and some other stages pretty close by as well.  Some quite hilly bits early on, leading me to think there might be some gaps here and there in the first week, and maybe even some GC guys will lose a minute or two.  I do like a stage that is kind of flattish, but a short hill climb at the end. t
There were a couple this year which were quite good value.  Makes watching a little easier on the afternoon time allocation.  Bardet should be happy with stage 5, lives around there.  Vuillermoz also has a stage he knows well.  Time trials look rather hilly, and the one in the Ardeche will be very scenic for sure.

Although I don't know all the climbs, and don't even know some of the regions, it looks brilliant to me.  Climbers will like it, descenders will like it, and even the sprinters have five or six stages where they must mobilise their teams to catch the inevitable break.

In my mind, they are getting more creative lately.  Must be the influence of Thierry Gouvenou.
Slapshot 3

It does look rather tasty.......
Biosphere

Have nicked some of these from Inner Ring. He seems to have more than ASO! Not bad for a guy/gal who just blogs during his lunch break Wink



Last few km of Stage 2. Sagan will prove there's no such thing as the Rainbow Curse as he scores another 2nd Wink


Stage 5's lumpy finish


Stage 8 starts the Pyrenean blitz


Stage 9


Stage 13 ITT - claimed 900m of climbing


Stage 15 looks like a right leg breaker


I rode 50ish km of Stage 17 last week before turning left half way down the descent of Mosses Smile


Stage 18 ITT


The final MTF that is Stage 19


Stage 20


I do like the look of it. My guess is they're sprinting south to mountains this year so that there isn't the Spring Classic Week 1 carnage that there's been for the last two years. They maybe hope to arrive there relatively early with most of the contenders intact (including home hopes) and let them fight it out for the next two weeks?
Nolte

I like the look of it too .
Slapshot 3

That run down off teh Joux Plane is vicious if I remember rightly.... that could be a bit tasty to tired tired boys... does look pretty good
Boogerd_Fan

Looks rather balanced.

I reserve judgement until seeing the shape of the GC after Ventoux. I expect Froome to blast the pyranees and the Alps will mean nothing Sad
SlowRower

Is the Morzine stage a virtual re-run of the Landis stage in 2006?

When we were at the Joux Plane in the summer there was a sizeable chunk of road between the Joux Plane and Morzine that had been washed away in a landslide. Let's hope they've fixed it by next summer!!
mazda

Yes, of course you are right.
In my mind stages 16 and 17 had morphed in such a manner that it was Phonak attacking up the Galibier.
Bartali

I'm concerned by the lack of MTF during the big mountain days.  Stage 8 potentially ruined by the long straight fast descent into Luchon and potentially a similar story on stage 15.  Of course ... the argument is that this promotes harder racing earlier into the stages, but difficult to see anyone taking the bull by the horns other than the Astana duo.

I like the ITTs.  They look right for once ... but probably enough to allow Froome to race relatively conservatively.

It has promise tho ...
mazda

Wouldn't more MTF make it "less balanced" ? Wink
You could argue there are fewer "wasted" peaks, although the Evalira in stage 10 is a pretty big waste (depending on where exactly they start from).

Of course if the best climber is also the best TTer then it won't be exciting.
mr shifter

Slapshot 3 wrote:
That run down off teh Joux Plane is vicious if I remember rightly.... that could be a bit tasty to tired tired boys... does look pretty good
Remember that Master descender Richard Virenque playing with Roberto Heras on that descent as he led him most of the way down till that sharp bend coming into Morzine. He had let him through and followed Heras as he overcooked that bend and crashed, so Virenque pottered home for the win.
Memory of Jan Ullrich doing fifty pence (threepenny bit) cornering down that hill.
Memory of Stephen Roche descending so fast he overtook the Lead Car as he gained time on Delgado to win that Tour. The road isn't very wide, is it ?
Memory of sleeping (?) in a SKI Lodge up there and those bloody cow bells ringing all night as they kept passing the window.
HuwB

Went away on the day this came out. Didn't really feel like giving it the once over while in Spain.
Pretty much agree. From the limited profiles we have, seems like a pretty decent route, with a few old favourites being recalled, adding to the blend with the newer or unused stuff.
Not sure if 54kms on TT, split into two, while be much different to one, long one, but overall, I prefer the look to the Giro.
HuwB

In ahead of tomorrow's Vuelta route reveal:-


10 Mtfs and but a handful on kms against the clock.
HuwB

Official site now has the details:

http://www.lavuelta.com/
Boogerd_Fan

last roll of the dice for JRod?
kathy

We have already booked a hotel in Ourense to see the first two stages!
HuwB

The Giro road book is now available for folks to peruse:-

http://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-.../2016/04/Garibaldi-affiancate.pdf

Four stages will be covered live from start to finish.

It only dawned on me last week that the TTT kicks it off in Appeldoorn, which is where the NL velodrome is and I've been to.
That's where the trial is starting from.
Wished I'd thought to make the trip, now.
HuwB

Eurosport's TDF tv schedule:-
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/ne...-france-2016-live-tv-guide-233516
mazda

4 days to go.
Can feel the first flush of excitement / nervousness in my stomach (which, tbh, surprised me).
Nolte

Good to hear itv4 using Ned boulting, David Millar and matt rendall for commentary

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