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cadence

Good luck lindsey

http://www.usskiteam.com/alpine/athletes/athlete?athleteId=1001
kathy

Must say I prefer the Nordic stuff to Alpine.  I'm really looking forward to Biathlon, ski-jumping, cross-country and Nordic combined.  I quite enjoy the speed skating for some strange reason as well.

I don't think LIndsay needs luck, does she - she's been carrying almost all before her this year.
Slapshot 3

kathy wrote:
 I quite enjoy the speed skating for some strange reason as well.



Blokes in tight lycra suits Kathy..... Wink
cadence

kathy wrote:
Must say I prefer the Nordic stuff to Alpine.  I'm really looking forward to Biathlon, ski-jumping, cross-country and Nordic combined.  I quite enjoy the speed skating for some strange reason as well.

I don't think LIndsay needs luck, does she - she's been carrying almost all before her this year.


Maybe Kathy, but I only posted this out of respect for a great athlete Very Happy
Mrs John Murphy

Another bandwagon for you to jump on?
CapeRoadie

She's won something like 9 or 10 World Cup races, right?  Uses men's skis.  Expectations are high.  I wonder if she'll choke like Bode Miller.  I prefer Nordic, too, Kathy.  Prefer that body type, all that slow-twitch fiber, the endurance of it.
cadence

In her second Winter Olympics in 2006, while training for the downhill race on February 13, 2006 in San Sicario, Italy, Vonn crashed and was evacuated by helicopter to Torino, where she was hospitalized overnight. Despite a bruised hip, she returned the following day to compete and finished eighth.

Guess she does need a bit of luck also.... Smile  

Band Wagon, haha, you think I'm on the Lance Bandwagon....I didnt even watch his first 5 tours as I thought it a joke that someone who had not shown that potential pre cancer could come back and be so dominate....He very well may be an asshole in person but I just cant develope the hate some here have for him.... Smile
Mrs John Murphy

You only sing when you're winning. Jump on that bandwagon and bask in that glow.

Cos you're a real serious winter sportsfan, not that you only ever pay attention in the month before the Winter Olympics.

Oh my god. A skier crashed and had to go to hospital and then raced the next day. Like that hasn't fucking happened to anyone else ever in the sport.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
You only sing when you're winning. Jump on that bandwagon and bask in that glow.

Cos you're a real serious winter sportsfan, not that you only ever pay attention in the month before the Winter Olympics.

Oh my god. A skier crashed and had to go to hospital and then raced the next day. Like that hasn't fucking happened to anyone else ever in the sport.


So you are my judge.... Smile  Murphy, bitter is no way to go through life, I know first hand.... Very Happy  Since I rarely post here, and mostly at the rick of ridicule and judgement, I don't think you've enough information to make an informed opinion.  GO LANCE... Very Happy  glad the Vikings lost... Very Happy  Go Bears
Mrs John Murphy

No, you don't post here because your interest in cycling is limited to 3 weeks in July and the Lance bandwagon.

There is 355 posts worth to make a judgement. You're a band wagon jumper who is only interest in sport is Americans and only sings when he's winning.

At least I support the Vikings through thick and thin, you only 'support' during the good times. When the going gets tough, you switch your support to someone else.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
No, you don't post here because your interest in cycling is limited to 3 weeks in July and the Lance bandwagon.

There is 355 posts worth to make a judgement. You're a band wagon jumper who is only interest in sport is Americans and only sings when he's winning.

At least I support the Vikings through thick and thin, you only 'support' during the good times. When the going gets tough, you switch your support to someone else.


I have a mild interest in professional cycling, I'll admit to that, my interest in cycling is mostly for personal enjoyment.  This site is not so much about cycling itself as it is about following a sport...imho

My family who sufferes through tapes I've made of Miguel Indurain would disagree with you on my Lance worshipping.  My defense of anything Lance is just a reaction towards the outright hatred sometimes expressed here.  

I only follow the Olympics every 4 years, I don't think that should shock anyone.  I did happen to be reading about Lindsey recently.

http://adventure.nationalgeograph...igh-performance-ski-training-text

BTW, as a life long Cubs fan I cannot be called fair weather....
cadence



The hubbub around Lindsey Vonn continues, as people await her first official trip down the Whistler Creekside Franz Run course with skis on her feet and a clock running.

Before that happens, though, her rivals are chiming in.

Swedish veteran Alpine skier Anja Pärson dropped a bomb during an interview with one of Sweden's leading newspapers, Aftonbladet, after the cancellation of Thursday's first women's downhill training run.

"I don't think she's injured."

Speaking in general terms, Pärson claimed that Vonn's setback is no worse than similar setback other skiers are dealing with - or have recently dealt with.

"As long as I'm standing in the start house, I'm not injured. I don't know what her problem is, but 50% of the girls have problems, so it's difficult to say who's really injured.

It's not earth-shattering to hear a rival openly question an injury claim. A friend has also given her impressions.

Vonn's best friend and rival on the Alpine tour, Germany's Maria Riesch, downplayed what she considers an exaggeration of the injury by the media.

"I've had a similar injury and I know how uncomfortable and painful it can be - but I don't think it will hold her back that much."

She even had some medical advice for her friend.

"When you are going hell for leather down the hill you put the pain aside. It hurts, sure. But it goes. Take a painkiller."
happa gal

Actually.....she is one of my fav athletes to follow on twitter. She is always interesting. Follow her at @lindseyvonn

My two fav remain short track skater Apolo Ohno @ApoloOhno and Cervelo's Ted King @iamtedking. Both are funny, informative and posts pics.
SlowRower

happa gal wrote:
...short track skater Apolo Ohno @ApoloOhno...


Accidental participant in the funniest incident in the entire history of the Winter Olympics - or quite possibly all sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfQMJtilOGg
billgull

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-f...newsid=412058.html#rogge+very+day

Very, very sad, indeed.

I have a friend from here in Michigan who is out in Vancouver doing duty
as Chief Wax Technician for the U.S. Alpine Team. Hopefully, they will
get the correct wax. From what I am reading about the weather -- it may
be a real challenge for all the skiing events.

Would like to wish good luck to Eligius Tambornino and Toni Livers from
Trun, Switzerland. My wife went to school with their parents. They will be
competing in the Nordic Ski events.

Also, would like to wish good luck to all the women on the U.S. Nordic
Ski team, a couple of whom my daughter has trained with in years
past.
Mrs John Murphy

SlowRower wrote:
happa gal wrote:
...short track skater Apolo Ohno @ApoloOhno...


Accidental participant in the funniest incident in the entire history of the Winter Olympics - or quite possibly all sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfQMJtilOGg


Surely not as funny as the snowboarder who started showboating and fell on her arse?
happa gal

Mrs John Murphy wrote:

Surely not as funny as the snowboarder who started showboating and fell on her arse?


MJM...I remember that snowboarder!! Lindsey Jacobellis loses her solid gold and gets the silver. What a bonehead move!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iThQ1po1JLU
kathy

billgull wrote:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-f...newsid=412058.html#rogge+very+day

Very, very sad, indeed.

I have a friend from here in Michigan who is out in Vancouver doing duty
as Chief Wax Technician for the U.S. Alpine Team. Hopefully, they will
get the correct wax. From what I am reading about the weather -- it may
be a real challenge for all the skiing events.

Would like to wish good luck to Eligius Tambornino and Toni Livers from
Trun, Switzerland. My wife went to school with their parents. They will be
competing in the Nordic Ski events.

Also, would like to wish good luck to all the women on the U.S. Nordic
Ski team, a couple of whom my daughter has trained with in years
past.


I was reading about the death of the luger just a few minutes ago.  It is very sad - it sounds as though he was relatively inexperienced and so concerns have been expressed about the safety of the track.

On a happier note, Tony Livers has been skiing very well recently, hasn't her?
billgull

Yes! Toni Livers has really done well of late. It would not surprise me to
see him have a good race during these Games.

I have just finished watching the Opening Ceremony. Got to get some
sleep, as I have skis to wax in the morning.
bianchigirl

Beautiful opening ceremony - the segment to 'Both Sides Now' was exquisite - hope the 2012 committee were watching, just showed how you don't need thousands of bodies just one amazing performer, some fabulous effects and a beautiful song to create atmosphere and emotion.

The pictures of the fatal crash do raise some questions, though - he collided with a series of metal posts which had no kind of protective padding on the fastest track in the world. I'm the first to be sceptical about 'health & safety' but if you see the pictures it does make you wonder.

Hope they get some snow Wink
kathy

Just watched a rerun of the second half of the Opening Ceremony.  Very spectacular, although I wish they'd got Leonard Cohen to sing his own song instead of K D Lang.  (I'm a big Cohen fan Laughing )
Mrs John Murphy

Isn't Cohen unwell at the moment. I think he was hospitalised, had to cancel a tour last month.
kathy

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Isn't Cohen unwell at the moment. I think he was hospitalised, had to cancel a tour last month.


Didn't know that.  Pity - he writes wonderful poetry and songs.
Mrs John Murphy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2...ard-cohen-postpones-european-tour
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Surely not as funny as the snowboarder who started showboating and fell on her arse?


Too much personal misery / humiliation for me to find that funny, sensitive soul that I am.
Mrs John Murphy

I don't believe that for a moment. It was self-inflicted failure caused by their ego and vanity. If someone is showboating - ie rubbing it into their opponents face (not very classy), then I have no sympathy when it blows up in that person's face.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
I don't believe that for a moment. It was self-inflicted failure caused by their ego and vanity. If someone is showboating - ie rubbing it into their opponents face (not very classy), then I have no sympathy when it blows up in that person's face.


I've got no sympathy either - I just didn't find it funny because of the (admittedly self-inflicted) humiliation angle.

Each to their own, though. I recall that you find riders - or at least one particular rider - crashing and breaking collar bones funny. We just obviously find different things funny.
Mrs John Murphy

Misfortune falling on those who deserve it is always funny.
Ken Bates being attacked by a swarm of bees = funny. Mrs Thatcher catching fire = funniest thing ever.

This = very funny


Link



Link


The girl is a showboating tool.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Misfortune falling on those who deserve it is always funny.


Just out of interest, how far down the personal suffering scale does someone need to go before you wouldn't find "deserved" misfortune funny?

For example, if your favourite Texan crashes this season and then dies a slow and painful death, would this still be funny?
Geraint

Cum on Johnny Weir
Mrs John Murphy

Geraint wrote:
Cum on Johnny Weir


Bukkake?

SR - I wouldn't like to predict the future. If he dies and I start laughing, I will be sure to let you know.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
SR - I wouldn't like to predict the future. If he dies and I start laughing, I will be sure to let you know.


You mean there is even some doubt? Smile
cardinal guzman

Topical this.

In the late 70's and early 80's, my dad n I used to watch ski jumping. They used to fall all the time and it was utterly hilarious - like pro jeux sans frontiers. I don't watch ski jumping anymore because without the falling it's a bit dull.

If Armstrong falls in a funny way, can I laugh at the time and feel ambivalent afterwards?
Geraint

the time his handlebars got hooked on someone's bag was funny, although ulrich stupidly waited for him
SlowRower

Lindsey Jacobellis is in action again tonight.

If it's half as exciting as the men's event yesterday it will be well worth watching. The American guy who won came up with a great quote:

"The Canadians can own the podium if they want to. We'll just rent it for a couple of weeks."
bianchigirl

Nationalism/tribalism is worse than any organised religion for creating tension/unrest/wars

I don't find a quote like that - though I do think the 'Own the Podium' thing to miss the point entirely (it's one of the initiatives put in place for the Olympics, like the Terry Fox award - Google it) - remotely funny, just an example of the kind of US nationalism that hgets involved in unwinnable wars and destabilises any attempt at peace or understanding between nations (it's transactional analysis thing)
Superbagneres

I hate all these fairweather snowboard fans who just latch on to it as an outlet for rampant nationalism.

Good to see the Manx girl qualifying for the semi-final, though.
cardinal guzman

Lol SB!

bad start cost her there. Jacobellis might join that exclusive club of super talents never to win Olympic gold. Monumental fail.
SlowRower

bianchigirl wrote:
Nationalism/tribalism is worse than any organised religion for creating tension/unrest/wars


That was then, though. The future (and realistically a lot of the past already) of global tension/unrest/wars is natural resources. So, unless Olympic podia can be usefully employed to create resources (for example to promote nuclear fusion) then I think we can remain safe in our beds knowing that Seth Wescott and Nate Holland will not be invading Canada (or anywhere else) any time soon. Smile
cadence

Vonn, Mancuso go 1-2 for US in downhill

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/...ownhill&prov=ap&type=lgns

USA, USA, USA  Smile
Mrs John Murphy

Cos honest you're not a bandwagoneer. Still you can forget about the skiing until the next time a US athlete looks like they might win then you can suddenly 'rediscover' your interest in the sport.

BG - if you can see if you can get hold of 'Imagined Communities' by Benedict Anderson. Essentially his argument is the 'communities' (ie what we consider to be nations or ethnicities) are created through a series of imagined relationships, connections and commonalities. The more things that are perceived to be held in common in terms of values, the stronger a community identity is. The idea is that you can create an imagined bond between people that does not really exist - for example the support for a football team - two people who have nothing in common other than support for a team, but they imagine a connection and a shared common purpose through their support of the team. Olympic and international sports serve that single purpose. It enables people who are otherwise socially isolated to feel some sense of bond with others and their wider 'imagined community'. People imagine that they are somehow connected to the athlete or team, that this is an extension of their individual identity embodied in the person of the athlete.

The reality is of course that there is no bond, the athlete has nothing in common with the viewer other than the same passport, but it appeals to the gullible who believe the myth of the 'community'. Which is why the use of 'them', 'us' and 'we' in sports is so laughable.

Nationalism is the opiate of the masses.
kathy

I watched the half-pipe heats last night.  I do find it difficult to get excited about these 'new' things, although the moguls when they go head-to-head are interesting.

Lindsey didn't need good luck, did she?  Let's face it, she's been head and shoulders above everyone else all season.  Shame Maria Reisch (sp?) didn't do better.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Nationalism is the opiate of the masses.


Most English football fans support a club first and foremost and would prefer their club to succeed even if this is to the detriment of the national side.

So maybe "clubism" is the opiate of masses.

I wonder of what anti-Armstrongism is the opiate? The bitter, the disillusioned or the spurned, perhaps?
cadence

kathy wrote:
I watched the half-pipe heats last night.  I do find it difficult to get excited about these 'new' things, although the moguls when they go head-to-head are interesting.

Lindsey didn't need good luck, did she?  Let's face it, she's been head and shoulders above everyone else all season.  Shame Maria Reisch (sp?) didn't do better.


Everyone needs a bit of luck, look at Anja Paerson, if she hadn’t fallen just before the finished looked to be set to win the Silver or better.
Mrs John Murphy

SlowRower wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Nationalism is the opiate of the masses.


Most English football fans support a club first and foremost and would prefer their club to succeed even if this is to the detriment of the national side.

So maybe "clubism" is the opiate of masses.

I wonder of what anti-Armstrongism is the opiate? The bitter, the disillusioned or the spurned, perhaps?


Simply not true, and even if it were it is irrelevent - since the discussion is not about what takes priority but what people engage with. If you look at it in terms of participation far more people get involved when the national team is playing. Witness all the St George flags that will be got out during the World Cup finals. Classic mass participation involving far more people than would normally be bothered with football or sport.

For a Thatcherite like yourself, it is the perfect unification of capitalism and national chauvanism. Nationalism and the imagined community used to sell shoes, crap lager, fast food and tabloid newspapers.
SlowRower

I think you'll find that the "masses" who get out their flags for the World Cup aren't football fans - they are just "4 weeks every 4 years" bandwagon jumperonners.

Maybe my circle of friends is atypical, but come World Cup time, the bandwagon brigade get interested because of the blanket media coverage, the opportunity it offers for legitmate drinking on a school night and the chance of seeing some high grade c*ck-up involving England. It's got nowt to do with any sort of imagined community / bonding with people they've never met.

When England lose, we all have a laugh and carry on as normal.
Mrs John Murphy

Yes. Did you actually bothered to read what I have written and digest it?

It doesn't matter that it is 4 weeks every 4 years. What is important is that there is an event in which a large percentage of the population is involved in either through high or low level participation. The fact that the act takes place allows the the 'imagination' of a relationship and of a shared collective identity.

Anyway, Anderson's book is available Amazon and is a good read.
Biosphere

bianchigirl wrote:
Nationalism/tribalism is worse than any organised religion for creating tension/unrest/wars


I know. There are posters on here who get all queasy at the thought of anything to do with Texas Wink

I'm inclined to look on the bright side of things - "barriers" are getting broken down all the time. I was at a wedding last month where the groom was half welsh, half Jamaican and the bride was Filipino. I know a Romanian guy who speaks English with a thick Irish accent cos he spent his first english speaking year in Donegal! If you want the ultimate proof Fontfroide married a French woman and Slapshot married an English woman Very Happy

Give it a 1000 years and we'll all be a lovely mid tone shade of brown!
Superbagneres

Biosphere wrote:
bianchigirl wrote:
Nationalism/tribalism is worse than any organised religion for creating tension/unrest/wars


I know. There are posters on here who get all queasy at the thought of anything to do with Texas Wink

I'm inclined to look on the bright side of things - "barriers" are getting broken down all the time. I was at a wedding last month where the groom was half welsh, half Jamaican and the bride was Filipino. I know a Romanian guy who speaks English with a thick Irish accent cos he spent his first english speaking year in Donegal! If you want the ultimate proof Fontfroide married a French woman and Slapshot married an English woman Very Happy

Give it a 1000 years and we'll all be a lovely mid tone shade of brown!


This reminded me of a wonderful line from the wiki entry for the great Chris Blackwell, the founder of Island Records;

Born in London to an Irish father and a Costa Rican-born Sephardic Jewish mother, Blackwell spent his childhood in Jamaica.

And for reasons unknown to me at the age of 37 I am now really getting into reggae, to which I have been massively indifferent to all my life. And I was amazed to learn that Bob Marley's dad was white.
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
If you want the ultimate proof Fontfroide married a French woman and Slapshot married an English woman Very Happy


I married a woman who was half Mancunian and didn't like cricket. Love truly is blind. Smile
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
The fact that the act takes place allows the the 'imagination' of a relationship and of a shared collective identity.


It may allow it, but the presence of flag-waving doesn't mean that the "imagination" as you describe is necessarily the reason.

I don't doubt the concept. Men and their football club, young women and celeb magazines along with old women and Princess Di would seem like prime candidates.

Some occasional flag-waving when the national team takes part in major global sporting event seems pretty half-hearted / uncommitted on the nationalism front. When Steve Redgrave won in Sydney, there was a TV audience of over 10 million in the UK, when the normal audience for rowing events other than the Boat Race is small indeed. Are you seriously suggesting that these people tuned in because of some imagined bond with the guys in the crew or fellow viewers? I'd guess that most people watched because it had been hyped up for weeks (not unreasonably) and it was on terrestrial telly at a convenient time (shortly after chucking-out time on a Friday night.) And if you're British and watching a British crew race in the OGs, who are you going to support?
Mrs John Murphy

Yes but all of that is irrelevent. The point I was making originally, is that sporting events such as the Olympics, World Cup etc are acts of 'communion' for the imagined community. (Just as going to a club match is an act of 'communion' to the imagined community of supporters of club 'X'). The Communion is used to sell not only the idea of the chauvanistic nation, but also shoes etc.
ventoux

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Yes but all of that is irrelevent. The point I was making originally, is that sporting events such as the Olympics, World Cup etc are acts of 'communion' for the imagined community. (Just as going to a club match is an act of 'communion' to the imagined community of supporters of club 'X'). The Communion is used to sell not only the idea of the chauvanistic nation, but also shoes etc.


Not sure you have the right "audience" here for the point you're making... but if it's any consolation, I get it (& agree with it  Wink  )

I also try very hard not to go along with the "communion" - I'm English, living in Ireland, and come the World Cup will be "supporting" Italy, just because I like the way they play (cynically...  Rolling Eyes  ) - having said that, I do, somewhat irrationally, "support" Birmingham City (I know, I know...) and have been known to use "we" when referring to them ("we're having a great run this year..." ) I never refer to any England teams as "we" though....  that's definitely "them"!
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
...sporting events such as the Olympics, World Cup etc are acts of 'communion' for the imagined community.


But what about the parts of the audience - quite sizeable, I'd imagine - who just watch such events because they offer the prospect of top quality drama and sporting endeavour and who never refer to sports teams as "we"?

Are we unintentional partakers of the type of communion you describe? There's no imagined community when I watch sports events with family and / or friends. (In fact, there's a kind of anti-community spirit in me when I see my "fellow supporters" ranting on about "Ing-er-lund".) My community is all real. There's generally no shortage of "communion" wine, though...Smile

I have no doubts, though, that the marketing guys can exploit the combination of the World Cup and the weak-minded to sell a load of stuff that no-one really needs.
Bartali

ventoux wrote:
Not sure you have the right "audience" here for the point you're making... but if it's any consolation, I get it (& agree with it  Wink  )

I also try very hard not to go along with the "communion" - I'm English .... and come the World Cup will be "supporting" Italy ...


Agreed!!   Laughing
Guiness

ventoux wrote:
Not sure you have the right "audience" here for the point you're making... but if it's any consolation, I get it (& agree with it  Wink  )

I also try very hard not to go along with the "communion" - I'm English .... and come the World Cup will be "supporting" Italy ...


I'm with you on this one, too.
Sooty

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Yes but all of that is irrelevent. The point I was making originally, is that sporting events such as the Olympics, World Cup etc are acts of 'communion' for the imagined community. (Just as going to a club match is an act of 'communion' to the imagined community of supporters of club 'X'). The Communion is used to sell not only the idea of the chauvanistic nation, but also shoes etc.


It's irrelevant and chauvinistic MJM.  I reckon you should let your students mark your essays instead of vice versa.  

Just for old time's sake you understand.  Cool
70kmph

Imagined community...Lmao. Get some proper reading material.

When are you going to graduate to Foucault or Derrida?  Wink

Try Specters of Marx
Biosphere

Imagined community - that would be all the WUM IDs that Sooty created  Laughing
Superbagneres

SlowRower wrote:
And if you're British and watching a British crew race in the OGs, who are you going to support?


Probably a question best asked on a forum where people don't seem to have a guilt complex about being British.
Mrs John Murphy

SR - The point is that there are multiple 'acts' of communion in any given society which create/re-enforce the idea of the community, these overlap etc. So not just sports, but for example commemoration of historic events (remembrance sunday), saints days (ie St Patrick's day), so if you don't participate in one act of 'imagination' then you are likely to participate in another. Participation can of course be passive or active, intensive or not. For example supporting a football club - someone who goes to every home and away game is as much a part of the 'community' as someone whose activity is limited to following the results in the paper.

I am sure that there are many people who enjoy the events for their aesthetic value - to continue the religious theme 'smells and bells Catholics'.

The most effective inculcation of values takes place without you realizing it.

Ventoux - it would be very dull if we didn't stretch ourselves intellectually every now and again. We've discussions on global warming and the science of doping, so why not theories of nationalism and national identity? Communion is Anderson's term and it nicely encapsulates the para-religious aspect of modern nationalism, and also the way in which the act of imagination, requires some form of participation (the taking of the wine, bread) and doing so makes the individual part of a collective (all of whom have engaged in the same act of participation). I am trying to precise a 300 page book into a few short paragraphs Smile

I don't think the theory is ever intended to be a monolithic, unifying explanation of identity formation or participation in modern society. I do think that it is useful in explaining how events like the WC, Olympics function at a broader socio-political level.

70 - I have moved on from Anderson several years ago - it happens that the Olympics is a perfect example of the imagination of the community. None of what you have cited has any relevance to the topic in hand. Unless of course you want to explain how Derrida explains the place of the Olympics in developing modern collective national identities?
70kmph

Moved on ?

Then you could explain the Olympics in terms of Derrida, but I doubt it.

What have you written ? Lets see the publications so we can make a balanced judgement, or are you just running your mouth... Wink
Mrs John Murphy

I wouldn't use Derrida because I don't think it is applicable, nor especially useful. I doubt you could either. Anderson is the most useful, relevant and accessible in the context of this discussion. You disagree so why not put forward the alternative argument? If you disagree with my interpretation of Anderson then explain where I've misinterpreted his analysis.

BG raised a point about nationalism and I suggest that she might find Anderson an interesting read, (also because unlike Derrida etc Anderson is a hell of a lot easier to read), SR raised some questions which I have tried to answer.

What exactly have publications got to do with a discussion of the merits of theory? Are you going to post your RAE submission so we can compare? If I were arguing that I am right because of my publications then you might have a point. But I'm not so you don't.

Given your reputation for being a creepy pervert I am not sure I'd want to risk giving a weirdo like you my name.

But for the sake of argument - 1 edited volume published in 2008, 3 articles in collected volumes, 5 reviews and 1 journalistic article.
70kmph

Yes OK, keep going & challenge yourself

I suspect you have a treatise in the works upon the ad hominem abusive argument.  Wink

So what do you think of Derrida, he has had a profound influence on my field...
Superbagneres


Link
Mrs John Murphy

Nah. You're the one interested in Derrida not me. Why don't you explain the olympics using his work and in a way which is reasonably accessible to a lay-audience.
70kmph

More interested in how Derrida relates to my current work. I will write something totally mesmerizing !  Wink
Mrs John Murphy

There is a first time for everything.
SlowRower

Going back to the concept of deserved self-inflicted humiliation, Sven Kramer the Dutch speedskater is definitely worth a mention.

I'd initially felt sorry for him when he got disqualified from the gold medal position for changing lanes at the wrong time, but then two things came to light:

1 - He looks like he has bad acne, so it doubtless a serial steroid abuser

2 - After winning the 5k earlier in the week, he was asked by an American reporter what his name was and where had he finished. His response was "Are you stupid?"

Now, does abusing a journalist mean you deserve your subsequent come-uppance or does the fact it was a serious daft question make journalist abuse acceptable?

So, is Sven deserving of our sympathy, or should he be on the self-inflicted humilation podium with Ms Jacobellis?
Mrs John Murphy

Firstly he was following the advice of his coach to change lanes to the inside lane. Secondly, I thought his response to the journalist was fine given the question she was asking. One other point - since when have you ever cared about someone being a PED abuser?
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
One other point - since when have you ever cared about someone being a PED abuser?


He's hardly abusing them. He seems to be using them quite effectively! (If he is using them, of course.) Anyway, I'm not bothered - I just thought I'd throw the observation in to see if it swayed anyone's view.

I thought his response to the journalist was quite measured in the circumstances. He was apparently quite happy to deal with the much deeper issue of "How do you feel?" after his identify and medal status had been confirmed.
Mrs John Murphy

To be honest I am more amazed that Vonn hasn't blamed anyone for her crash. Maybe she has decided to STFU.
SlowRower

Maybe the American media has ditched her in favour of Bode, as he's won more medals. She might be complaining with no-one listening!
SAP

Vonn was actually very gracious and humble when interviewed on NBC right after her fall.  She was concerned about Mancuso's run being stopped midway and it's impact on Mancuso and their team.  Haven't seen or heard any more about it, or whether her broken finger will keep her out of her final event (slalom).

And Sven showed a little 'roid rage at the end of his race, which is somewhat understandable, but to lash out at a volunteer, shoving and shouting, was unnecessary.  He did take responsibility for his mistake, saying it was his job to keep track of the lanes.
Mrs John Murphy

Ironically, he's got more global attention by shouting at the journalist and by getting disqualified than he would have done if he had just won the two races without any fuss.
cadence

good luck to the Slovaks in hockey tonight... Smile
Mrs John Murphy

Not cheering on Vonn in the slalom?
smarauder68

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Not cheering on Vonn in the slalom?


I'm not sure why she entered the slalom...she would have needed career best performance and to have 10 or 12 skiers crash out to have a chance. But at least she gave you another chance to extend this thread...Still, by winning the downhill and getting a bronze, Gold and Bronze is not a bad haul for anyone in one Olympiad.  I wonder how much of your spewing on her has to do with her setting back the woman's movement by posing in a swimsuit for a magazine?
Mrs John Murphy

No. It's more about relentless hype and bandwagoners who profess their support then things are looking good for the athlete or team, and then fuck off when things go wrong. Vonn did well just not as well as the hype was telling us she was going to do ie Michael Phelps on skis.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
No. It's more about relentless hype and bandwagoners who profess their support then things are looking good for the athlete or team, and then fuck off when things go wrong. Vonn did well just not as well as the hype was telling us she was going to do ie Michael Phelps on skis.


Oh fuck off cunt, I wished Vonn luck as she seems like a nice person from what I've read....
Mrs John Murphy

Unless your Mancuso... you read the pr puff before the games, jumped on the bandwagon and then fucked off when she didn't turn into Phelps.

Talk about a fairweather fanboy.

Although I did find Mancuso complaining about Vonn turning it into a popularity contest a little rich coming from a woman who wears a fucking tiara on the podium.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Unless your Mancuso... you read the pr puff before the games, jumped on the bandwagon and then fucked off when she didn't turn into Phelps.

Talk about a fairweather fanboy.

Although I did find Mancuso complaining about Vonn turning it into a popularity contest a little rich coming from a woman who wears a fucking tiara on the podium.


Listen you stupid cunt; I read about Lindsey in magazines and on the Internet, like you, unless you left that basement...that’s it.... Its not like I know her personally idiot...I could have rooted for someone who was guaranteed a gold medal, like shauwn white, but I didn’t, now fuck off you stupid cunt and go suck some Serbian dick....... Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
Mrs John Murphy

Awww, poor didums getting are upset are you? You wum, you get wummed back. No good crying about it. Don't worry, I am sure they'll be another bandwagon you can jump on in a few minutes, you'll be able to bask in the warm reflective glow of someone elses achievements, and then you'll feel better.

Living in a basement and sucking dicks? I'm not sure you should really be telling us about your dream job. Are things really that bad for you?

I dunno, you could always watch the cycling this weekend, lots of Americans racing - although no Lance, you might actually enjoy it. Go on, be daring, watch some cycling outside of three weeks July.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Awww, poor didums getting are upset are you? You wum, you get wummed back. No good crying about it. Don't worry, I am sure they'll be another bandwagon you can jump on in a few minutes, you'll be able to bask in the warm reflective glow of someone elses achievements, and then you'll feel better.

Living in a basement and sucking dicks? I'm not sure you should really be telling us about your dream job. Are things really that bad for you?

I dunno, you could always watch the cycling this weekend, lots of Americans racing - although no Lance, you might actually enjoy it. Go on, be daring, watch some cycling outside of three weeks July.


haha, your a joke mjm, your claim to fame is being some bitch who writes what she cannot do...me, i will never be anything but second, third, fouth or fith best....in cycling, I truely did suck, but not dicks like you.....
Mrs John Murphy

Now you're just incoherent. You seem to have a thing about sucking dicks, did you have a nasty experience in the woodshed as a child?

Chill out, enjoy the sport for what it is without worrying about backing the winner, or the best, or where someone comes from.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Now you're just incoherent. You seem to have a thing about sucking dicks, did you have a nasty experience in the woodshed as a child?

Chill out, enjoy the sport for what it is without worrying about backing the winner, or the best, or where someone comes from.


just pulling your chain mjm......nothing more.... Very Happy Go Slovakia....... Very Happy
cadence

cadence wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Now you're just incoherent. You seem to have a thing about sucking dicks, did you have a nasty experience in the woodshed as a child?

Chill out, enjoy the sport for what it is without worrying about backing the winner, or the best, or where someone comes from.


just pulling your chain mjm......nothing more.... Very Happy Go Slovakia....... Very Happy


Great effort Slovakia.....on to the Bronze...... Very Happy
Mrs John Murphy

And I yours. Come on, come and watch Het Volk with us.

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