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Giro 2017:I Primi Piatti: Stages 7-10: May 12th-16th.

STAGE 7: Castrovillari – Alberobello 224 km

START TIME: 11.50 CEST


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Over the first 140 km, the route is essentially flat (with just a short descent after the start), mainly on straight and wide roads, and only becomes more elaborate when crossing urban areas. After cresting the Bosco delle Pianelle KOM summit, the final part of the stage is more complicated, as the route passes through several urban areas, with roundabouts, traffic dividers, pedestrian islands, setts paving and speed bumps being the main obstacles. The final 40 km are undulating, and going slightly up, with arrival in Alberobello, stage town for the first time. The final kilometres are fairly complex, as the route runs partly on wide and straight roads, and partly on city roads marked by series of bends and partial narrowings. From 5 to 1.5 km to the finish, the route runs mostly uphill, with a short descent that ends 700 m before the finish. The route climbs slightly in the stage finale, with a few mild bends. The finish line sits on a 100-m long and 7.5-m wide asphalt straight.


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STAGE 8: Molfetta – Peschici 189 km

START TIME: 12.25 CEST


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The stage starts from Molfetta, for the first time in the history of Giro. The route is on flat and straight roads in the first 90 km, while the following 100 km are constantly undulating, with several curves and changes of direction. Past Manfredonia, the stage clears the Monte Sant’Angelo categorised climb, and then takes the entire scenic route, all the way to Peschici (with a KOM climb in Coppa Santa Tecla and an intermediate sprint in Vieste) which has already been stage town for other four times (one starting and three arrival). The stage finale is fairly complex, with a fast-running descent from 5 to 3 km to the finish, followed by a short flat stretch, up to 1,500 m from the finish. Here begins the closing climb, which grows increasingly steeper as the finish draws nearer (with peaks reaching 12%), and with several sharp bends. The home straight (200 m), on 7-m wide stone-paved road, has a 9-10% uphill gradient.


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STAGE 9: Montenero di Bisaccia – Blockhaus 149 km

START TIME: 13.00 CEST


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Unprecedented stage start from Montenero di Bisaccia. Then the first part of the stage runs along the Statale Adriatica (ss. 16), on wide roads, along the coast, following a wavy profile. The route heads inland past Francavilla a Mare, and reaches Chieti (a short climb with a few punchy bits) where the intermediate sprint is set. When leaving the ss. 5 to reach Manoppello and Lettomanoppello, the roads become narrower, and the surface is worn out at points. The final climb (13 km) begins past Roccamorice. Arrival at Blockhaus (last KOM in 2009 Franco Pellizotti). The last 13 km go up steadily on narrow road, with several hairpins. Gradients are over 9% for almost 10 km, with peaks reaching as high as 14%. There is a very short counterslope 500 m before the finish. The home straight (200 m long, on 6-m wide asphalt road) has an uphill gradient of approx. 8%.



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REST DAY

STAGE 10: Foligno – Montefalco 39.8 km ITT

START TIME: TBD


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After the start in Foligno, which will host the Giro for the 7th time, the route quickly leaves the old town centre and takes relatively wide and mainly straight roads for over 12 kilometres, until past Bevagna (time recording). The route then starts to climb at an average 4-5% gradient, and reaches Madonna delle Grazie, where the road becomes a false flat up. A fast-running and technical descent twists and turns all the way to San Marco, where the road flattens and straightens out. The route takes a U-turn in Bastardo (second time recording), then a false-flat uphill drag leads to Montefalco. The slopes are never steep, yet the climb is unrelenting. The road, narrowed at points, leads all the way to the walled city of Montefalco (unprecedented stage town). The final kilometres are slightly uphill. In the last kilometre, the route descends and passes through a gateway, and then goes up again, on a short, steep ramp, leading into the 200-m long, uphill home straight, on 6-m wide asphalt road.



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Biosphere

I think we should have been posting here yesterday?

Not the most exciting opening week IMO. Not sure today will offer much more to get excited about?
gerry12ie

It has been as dull an opening GT week as I can recall.  Ambition has been in desperately short supply so far.  Hopefully things will perk up, although today might be a little more of the same...
gerry12ie

Unsurprisingly, Il Re Leone agrees...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...-riders-programmed-by-technology/

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“By waiting, Quintana is rolling calmly to his safe haven [the third week], and when he goes on the attack, he won’t worry about whether it’s hot or cold, or if it’s windy. He’ll drop everyone and win the Giro smoking his pipe.”

The only other rider Cipollini praised was also a Colombian, Fernando Gaviria of Quick Step Floors. The sprinter’s support team is, he says, “a reserve squad,” but they were the team “who, at Cagliari, split everything up, which goes to show the poverty of the peloton".
HuwB

Absolutely agree, Gerry.
They are all playing into his and Nibali's hands.
Looks to be a sheep fight between the rest for third, already.

It took a week and a day, but that stage was alright.
Conti stuck a pedal on the floor and Izaguirre the lesser took his chance.
Visconti bust a gut but ran out of gas.

The rest, zero seconds gained or lost by the lot of 'em.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
It has been as dull an opening GT week as I can recall.
Sadly I agree.  That said, probably the longer the better for Nibali to ride into form.  This is not Croatia ... there are big boys here!!!
Nolte

Maybe we will see action on blockhaus, movistar driving it with 30km left, small lead for break and running ahead of schedule
Bartali

Pace is fast today ... Movistar working hard.
Bartali

WTF just happened???
Nolte

Fucks sake
Bartali

That's shocking!!!
HuwB

Thomas and Landa taken out by the police motorbike.
They are both done.
gerry12ie

WTF??? That's disgraceful.  I can't fucking believe it
HuwB

Yates involved too.
Bartali

Yates back on ... but it will cost him.
HuwB

Yates totally gone, Jungels out the back, too.
Bartali

Yates didn't make it ... or he has (understandably) blown ..
gerry12ie

Super gutsy by Thomas.  Jungle Bob going backwards
Bartali

This is powerful riding from Movistar .... irrespective of the crash
Bartali

Special K will be next to go ???
Bartali

Thomas holding them ... extraordinary
Fontfroide

The three guys on the cover of Velo magazine currently in front.  Semi-prescient.

Sad to see Yates and Landa and Thoms wiped out.  Maybe they will be free to do a stage later.

Quintana definitely after a few seconds.
HuwB

Nibali now struggling.
HuwB

Unfortunately, Thomas's time is to Jungels, I think.

Dumoulin amazing ride.
Bartali

Good ride by the top 4
Bartali

Good ride fro Kangert
Nolte

[2 minutes between top 7 on stage
Nolte

Yates at 4'37
Geraint Thomas at 5'07
HuwB

Quite possibly the definitive stage of this Giro and it's flavour is sour.
We were robbed and will never know.
gerry12ie

Nibali rode in Basso mode - I didn't notice him out of the saddle once.  Thibaut is all growed up now.  Major ride from Major Tom and it will be interesting how much he can gain in the next TT.

I can't warm to Quintana at all, nor his team, but that was impressive

Shocking that idiotic stewardship can ruin a rider or teams race
Fontfroide

Retain optimism.  The road is long, much can happen.  But it is sad enough to wipe out riders.
HuwB

Apparently Thomas had his shoulder pop out in the crash.
gerry12ie

HuwB wrote:
Quite possibly the definitive stage of this Giro and it's flavour is sour.
We were robbed and will never know.


Quintana and his defining Giro stages tend to leave that kind of sour taste alright...
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Apparently Thomas had his shoulder pop out in the crash.

Gutsy!!!
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Apparently Thomas had his shoulder pop out in the crash.

Gutsy!!!


Gutsy, but must have serious aftereffects one day.
HuwB

Tom Dumoulin has also lost his only proper mountain domestique in Wilko Keldeman.
He was well peed off to say the least.
3 GC contenders out and a further strong one isolated before the final week.

There will be repercussions.
Fontfroide

One  day on a rest day or something, I would love to know why a number of us don't warm to Quintana.  He has big glasses and seldom smiles or suffers or what.  None of us could have any prejudice against Columbians, they are cool enough.  Is it we don't like winners?  I have no idea.  But one day, I would like to her some opinions.  Maybe he just does not work on his image with interviews in English or Spanish even.
Biosphere

Was watching live and got dispatched to shops for emergency baking ingredients just as crash happened. It made a right mess of the GC battle -  if it ends up being another GT win for Quintana it will be another I put a mental asterisk beside Rolling Eyes

Nibali actually went better than I expected him to despite him going backwards. Dumoulin surprised me. I did think about sticking with him for the FP, but I thought it was surely too much. His time trialling will make it interesting.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
I would love to know why a number of us don't warm to Quintana.


1. He cheated to win the 2014 Giro
2. I struggle to believe he is legit because of the length of time he spends (or at least used to spend) in S.America with relatively little testing
3. Until very resentantly he was a frustratingly conservative rider choosing to save his effort for 1-2 days in week three (even his Vuelta win was a result of following Berties crazy attack rather than initiating something himself)
4. He's not Italian
Bartali

Dumoulin reminds me of Indurain .....
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
I would love to know why a number of us don't warm to Quintana.


1. He cheated to win the 2014 Giro
2. I struggle to believe he is legit because of the length of time he spends (or at least used to spend) in S.America with relatively little testing
3. Until very resentantly he was a frustratingly conservative rider choosing to save his effort for 1-2 days in week three (even his Vuelta win was a result of following Berties crazy attack rather than initiating something himself)
4. He's not Italian


Nor is he Belgian Very Happy

Seriously though, Bart has pretty much nailed it.  It is very hard to get any kind of handle on him as he is only really around for his target races, but he has been majorly conservative in most races, and seems to bank all on the final week (or even the final climb).  

The way he won his 2014 Giro left a taste in the mouth, and even though he was clearly in his best third-week form I'm not convinced he would have dislodged Uran in proper race circumstances.

I think Froome has his measure in the TDF, although if he wins this Giro it will be his third GT and surely has a couple more in him - but he certainly doesn't fire the imagination...
Bartali

I see White is winging that Movistar should have eased up and waited.  So many double standards in this sport.  Disappointed for Thomas and Yates, but it was just a crash like many others and the race doesn't stop ... period.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
I see White is winging that Movistar should have eased up and waited.  So many double standards in this sport.  Disappointed for Thomas and Yates, but it was just a crash like many others and the race doesn't stop ... period.


Unless Matt White is playing some form of mind games, he's way off beam with that.
You aren't going to give up position after all that work, just to play the gentlemen.

It sucks, it's done, it's already part of Giro history.
mazda

I know there is a lot of antipathy (and worse) to Quintana, but I thought that was an impressive, even entertaining ride over the last 5km.
He deserves the acclaims for the Stage win.

It was enough for the ES commentary to label him as probably the second best pure climber in the world right now Smile

But I did feel a little bit sick over the preceding 7 or 8 km as the repercussions sank in. Sky and Thomas made no accusations at all towards Movistar, and Brailsford had the air of someone who had lost out on a free bar of chocolate today, but knew he might get one tomorrow.

I thought Nibali looked good, until he didn't.
I liked the way Pinot counter attacked after the Dutch duo caught him. One might ask why he wasn't going faster in the first place but I suspect they slowed for Tom to have a rest, with Bauke already on the limit.

So still a 4 horse race ?
Quintana will want to do the minimum to keep his energy for the TdF.
HuwB

To that which Mazda refers to in the post above:-

https://www.teamsky.com/article/crash-derails-giro-challenge

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"It's just about keeping fighting. We kept fighting today and never gave up. It could have been a lot worse. We lost five minutes but I felt like I lost three or four of those on the side of the road - so the legs are obviously decent.

"I'll aim to have a good rest day tomorrow, give the TT a good bash and then see where we stand. It's obviously going to be super hard to win the overall now, but there are still stages to go for and we might still be able to move up into the top 10 or better. At the moment I just want to use the aggression, race hard and see what I can get out of it.

"I've had worse crashes. My shoulder is sore but it's nothing I can't deal with. There's a lot more racing to be had so we'll get stuck in."



For me, in a sense, nothing much has changed.
I still expect it to end up a 2 horse race, with Nibali in the ascendancy, as the other contenders either fade, or struggle to maintain position.
My only real nagging doubt about this, now that Landa has been torpedoed, is the mercurial enigma that is Tibaut Pinot.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
It sucks, it's done, it's already part of Giro history.
Spot on.  And to Mazda's point, it was an excellent ride by Quintana - credit where credit is due - though I suspect he would have expected to take more out of Dumoulin.
Slapshot 3

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
I would love to know why a number of us don't warm to Quintana.


1. He cheated to win the 2014 Giro
2. I struggle to believe he is legit because of the length of time he spends (or at least used to spend) in S.America with relatively little testing
3. Until very resentantly he was a frustratingly conservative rider choosing to save his effort for 1-2 days in week three (even his Vuelta win was a result of following Berties crazy attack rather than initiating something himself)


The 2014 Giro really gets my back up to this day and worse that the organisers did sod all about it. It would appear that all mutual respect for the unwritten rules has gone from the peleton... can't wait till the next time Valmerde has a whinge... they will get pelters!!

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4. He's not Italian


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  I have to agree, in fact since we were invaded by a very lovely Italian girl, i daren't say anything negative about Italy... It would appear my Idiot Son has finally grown up and seen some sense...  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
HuwB

Sky's ongoing and never-ending Giro curse continues.
Kiriyenka bins it hard in the final corner, but still manages the early lead, having lost 30 seconds and a fair bit of skin.
mazda

Thomas goes quickest - presumably he had a police escort.
mazda

Jungels second for now - 7" down.
That is guaranteed to drop to 3rd, and others like Amador might also get up there.
mazda

Actually, 2nd and 3rd are looking safe for Thomas and Jungels.

All comes down to how much time Dumoulin is taking out of all his rivals.
Looks like a minimum of 2 minutes.
mazda

Good third sector from Nibali - only losing another 15 seconds to Thomas.
Currently #5 at 1'18"
mazda

Mollema 10" slower than Nibali.

Dumoulin beats Thomas by 49"
mazda

Pinot drops 35" to Nibali - enough time to go below Mollema in the GC, but stays just above Nibali.
mazda

Quintana had lost 27" to Pinot by the second checkpoint, so he'll be very close to those three riders unless he loses more time.
HuwB

New GC:
Dumoulin
Quintana 2.23
Mollema 2.38
Pinot 2.40
Nibali 2.47
Jungels 3.56
Pozzovivo 4.05
Zakarin 4.17
Amador 4.39
Kruijswijk 5.19
Thomas 5.33
mazda

53'30" for Quintana.
So he actually pulled back time on Pinot in the final sector.
Should only drop to 2nd on GC.
mazda

Kelderman is going to be missed.
HuwB

mazda wrote:
Kelderman is going to be missed.


Absolutely.
It's only old man Ten Dam and Preidler, up against the might of Movistar, who  are going to have to go on the early attack, given there's a flat 28km ITT to finish and the possibility of no Stelvio.

If Sky can stay awake for once, there might be an opportunity to exploit, so as to get Geraint right into the mix for the podium.
You can bet your bottom dollar that Nibs will be doing just that.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Stage 10

Campanaerts.  Hardly know the guy at all, but might pick up a crumb or two.


A pretty good stab in the dark, I'd say, given I was going to pick him!

I'll take his team mate, Jos Van Emden.


Well, Huw, anytime I think I am a clever dick and know a thing or two, remind me about this pick.  He lost 11 minutes and must be ill or something.  Certainly, on the day a terrible pick.  You did well to be a bit late in picking.  And my nationalist pick Thibaut, he really had a terrible day.  Frankly, I think he is a bit of lad who has never settled down and taken his job very seriously.  Even If I like him a bit.


Campenaerts had announced lunchtimish today that it was another rest day for him ("Een tweede rustdag voor mij") and he was saving his legs for Kruijswijk. Maybe he saw your FP and felt the need to make a statement Wink

http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Giro/1.2980033
Fontfroide

The number of times I have bet on some guy to do well, and after he flakes out in the second week he turns out to have some condition that means I lose, and so does the rider.... who can read all that stuff.  Or like Landa, Dennis and Yates, he crashes or ... in the case of Pirazzi on one of my teams, eliminated before he even turns a pedal.

Mind you, I could have thought about that and not bet on him, but heck, its only a game.  But it does resemble life a bit.
Fontfroide

You would think that with all the might of science and trainers, FDJ could find a way to get Thibaut through a rest day with enough oomph to do well the day after.  He seems to resist whatever they tell him to do.  Bit of a lad.  But he says I am going to WIIN the ITT and he barely beats Quintana.  Not sure what that is all about, but that tendency not to be reliable and consistent and so forth means he still might end up being a gifted climber who won't ever win anything much.  Strange.

Although actually none of it is a surprise.  He has been like this from the beginning.  One of those local guys who really wants to hang out and fish in the end he bought, and live in the same place he has always he]ived in.  However, I will still bet on him.  Just prepared for disappointment and the odd surprise.
Bartali

Slapshot 3 wrote:
4. He's not Italian


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  I have to agree, in fact since we were invaded by a very lovely Italian girl, i daren't say anything negative about Italy... It would appear my Idiot Son has finally grown up and seen some sense...  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing[/quote]

Laughing  Laughing Thought it was a strange commentary today.  I'm biased, but they seemed to be suggesting Nibali was having a bad day when quite clearly he was best of the rest.  

Stunning (but expected) ride by Dumoulin and a case of what might have been for Thomas.  I can't see Dumoulin losing this, but it has made for a good race now.  Quintana needs to take a lot of time in the mountains so we should be in for some aggressive riding ... so anything can happen.
Slapshot 3

Bartali wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
4. He's not Italian


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  I have to agree, in fact since we were invaded by a very lovely Italian girl, i daren't say anything negative about Italy... It would appear my Idiot Son has finally grown up and seen some sense...  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

Laughing  Laughing Thought it was a strange commentary today.  I'm biased, but they seemed to be suggesting Nibali was having a bad day when quite clearly he was best of the rest.

Stunning (but expected) ride by Dumoulin and a case of what might have been for Thomas.  I can't see Dumoulin losing this, but it has made for a good race now.  Quintana needs to take a lot of time in the mountains so we should be in for some aggressive riding ... so anything can happen.


Streamed the RAI highlights last night, I need to learn more of the language! Big Tom looked pretty devastating, Pinot was just poor and Quintana..... Nibs and Gee did well especially after the crash at the weekend. It's Toms to lose if he keeps climbing as well as he did on Sunday
mazda

Bartali wrote:
Thought it was a strange commentary today.  I'm biased, but they seemed to be suggesting Nibali was having a bad day when quite clearly he was best of the rest.  


Simple explanation - commentators don't do maths.
To be fair Nibali did start slowly so it looked like he was going to have a bad day - perhaps they, or he, had visions of the Siusi ITT.
But once he was well through the second timer it was clear he was doing well. Not sure at what point, if at all, the commentators recognised that.
gerry12ie

If any final proof was needed that Campenaerts wasn't fully focused on rewarding FF's faith in him yesterday...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...ith-tt-stunt-giro-ditalia-shorts/

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