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Giro 2017:Dolce,Cafe and Grappa! Stages 16-21May 23rd - 28th

STAGE 16: Rovetta – Bormio 222 km

START TIME: 10.25 CEST


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This queen stage across the Alps will feature a double pass over the Stelvio, first along the Bormio side, and then taking a first-ever climb up the Swiss side. The stage starts from Rovetta, starting stage town in 2008, and initially, the route climbs slightly, cutting across the Val Camonica. Next, the peloton clears the Mortirolo Pass (along the southern side, as in 1990), with gradients topping out at 16% in the last kilometres. Then comes a narrow and very technical descent leading to Grosio, where the route will run up the Adda River valley, heading for the first passage in Bormio that marks the beginning of a 100-km “circuit”. First, the route climbs up the Stelvio Pass (Cima Coppi), with a very technical descent leading to Prato allo Stelvio, and then enters Switzerland, heading for the Umbrailpass (Giogo di Santa Maria). The climb totals 13.5 km, at a steady 9% gradient, with peaks topping out at 12%. Another technical descent (with a few tunnels along the route) then leads all the way to Bormio (already stage town at the Giro for fourteen times). The final 20 km are essentially downhill. A little after the red flag, in Bormio, the route takes a U-turn and levels out, heading for the finish after a few 90-degree bends. The finish line lies on a 100-m long and 7.0-m wide asphalt home stretch.






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STAGE 17: Tirano – Canazei 219 km

START TIME: 11.15 CEST


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The stage is wavy, with a few technical climbs in the first part, such as Aprica and Passo del Tonale after the start from Tirano. A long drop then takes the peloton across the Val di Sole. The route goes up again in the second half: first comes the Giovo categorised summit, then comes a long false flat up, leading all the way to the finish in Canazei (already three times stage town). The route climbs slightly in the last 5 km, on wide and well-surfaced road, with just a very short descent 1,000 m before the finish. The home straight (450m) is on 6.5-m wide asphalt road.




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STAGE 18: Moena – Ortisei/St.Ulrich 137 km

START TIME: 13.00 CEST


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This queen stage starts from Moena which has been stage town six times and goes across the Dolomites taking in 5 consecutive categorised climbs, with not even a single flat stretch in between: Passo Pordoi (2016 KOM Damiano Cunego), Passo Valparola, Passo Gardena, Passo Pinei and Pontives (final climb). The stage features a remarkable rise and drop of a little less than 4,000 m in 137 km, with average gradients of approx. 7% and topping out at 15%. The roads are always moderately wide and well surfaced. The stage arrives in Ortisei, already arrival of the Giro in 1940 and 2005. The Pontives categorised summit (4 km before the finish) marks the slope change in the closing climb. Next on the route are a false-flat uphill drag, up to 1,500 m before the finish, and a steep stretch up to 500 m before the finish, with gradients topping out at 13%. The stage course then turns right and takes a short descent on setts-paved road, up to 150 m from the finish, where the road levels out. The finish line sits on 5.5-m wide asphalt road.





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STAGE 19: S.Candido/Innichen – Piancavallo 191 km

START TIME: 12.00 CEST


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This is a high mountain stage with a long flat drag in the final part of the route, before the closing climb. The stage starts from San Candido for the first time in the history of the Giro. The peloton will climb up Passo di Monte Croce Comelico (categorised summit) and Cima Sappada on relatively wide and well-paved roads, with a long descent then leading all the way to Tolmezzo. Next comes the Sella Chianzutan categorised summit. Along the descent, the route passes through a few porphyry-paved tunnels (well surfaced and well lit), and then levels until Aviano, where the final climb begins. Arrival in Piancavallo, as it happened in 1998 (stage won by Pantani). The final 15 km run entirely uphill. The first 10 kilometres go up at very steep gradients - around 9% and topping out at 14%. With 10.9 km to go, the road levels out and even descends a little, then climbs up again (passing through an avalanche gallery) with milder gradients (max. 8%). The final kilometre is quite sinuous, still climbing slightly. The home stretch (100 m in length) sits on a wide, mild bend, on 6.5-m wide asphalt road, and has a 1.5% uphill gradient.




Start town, San Candido is a ski resort in the beautiful Puster Valley




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STAGE 20: Pordenone – Asiago 190 km

START TIME: 11.55 CEST


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The stage starts from Pordenone which has already hosted 6 stages in the history of the Giro. Then the first 100 km are on relatively flat roads, at the foot of the Prealps in the province of Treviso, with a categorised summit at Muro di Ca’ del Poggio and an intermediate sprint in Feltre. The route then climbs up Monte Grappa (24 km conquered in 2014 by Nairo Quintana and in 2010 by Ivan Basso), on narrowed roadway. The climb is steep and sharp at first, then the gradient declines, with a few changes in slopes before the categorised summit. A very long (26 km) and technical descent follows, with several hairpins and on moderately wide roads. The route then takes in the last climb in Foza (unprecedented KOM at the Giro, rising steadily at a 7% gradient, with a number of hairpins). The final 15 km are rolling and wavy. The route descends slightly over the last 5 km, up to 400 m before the finish. The roads are wide and well paved outside the city centres. When entering Asiago (four times starting stage and four times arrival) , the peloton will encounter roundabouts and traffic dividers. There is a last bend 450 m before the finish line, and the home stretch, on 7-m wide asphalt road, has a mild uphill gradient.






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STAGE 21: Monza – Milano 29.3 km ITT

START TIME: TBD


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The start of the ITT is set on the home straight of the Autodromo Nazionale Monza (already stage twon in 1949 and 1985). After completing one lap of the circuit, the stage course takes the pit lane and passes behind the paddocks to enter the Monza Park. The route then emerges from Villa Reale (first time split), then proceeds along wide, straight and well-paved avenues. In Sesto San Giovanni, the route takes the railway underpass. The second time split is taken upon entering Viale Italia. From here on, the course runs almost straight up to 2 km from the finish in Piazza Duomo. As far as Milan is concerned, it counts 8 stages with start and finish, 47 starts and 77 arrivals (last arrival in 2015). In the stage finale, the route first runs on wide avenues, and then on narrowed roads over the last few hundred metres, with several consecutive 90-degree turns over the last 100 - 150 metres, before entering Piazza Duomo. The home straight (150 m) is on 6-m wide stone-paved road.




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Bartali

Okay, so if anyone is remotely interested in taking this away from Dumoulin, this has to explode on the Mortorilo ... if not, Dumoulin will manage his resources well enough to mark until Milan. Unfortunately I will be at work so will be watching a recording ...
Biosphere

Nice idea with the photos Huw Smile

Bartali wrote:
Okay, so if anyone is remotely interested in taking this away from Dumoulin, this has to explode on the Mortorilo ... if not, Dumoulin will manage his resources well enough to mark until Milan. Unfortunately I will be at work so will be watching a recording ...


The usual 3rd week GT chess will come is going to come into play as well though - if Nibali tries to attack, then Pinot will mark him and so on. Eases some of the tactical pressure on Dumoulin.

But yes they need to isolate him and then shake the tree a lot to see if anything drops out of it.

I did think about being on the last climb tomorrow, but it's about 5 hours travelling to get to 1400m and anything higher is seemingly on foot . . . Sad
HuwB

Unless Rai interrupt their usual Giro morning shows, we won't get to see any of the Mortirolo in any case.
It's not the usual side, so nowhere near as steep.
No doubt Movistar will employ their usual tactic of sending multiple riders up the road. They are good at that. However, how they use them afterwards is not always so good.
The top third of Stelvio, when we get around the 2000 metre mark is where I expect things to kick off.

The weather forecast hasn't changed much in the past week.
Bartali

I don't think the Stelvio is steep enough to do real damage to Dumoulin ... he's too clever to panic and will learn from experience. If it were me I would put him under pressure asap.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
I don't think the Stelvio is steep enough to do real damage to Dumoulin ... he's too clever to panic and will learn from experience. If it were me I would put him under pressure asap.


A lack of steep climbs after Blockhaus is maybe why he and others chose to come to the race. Most of the forthcoming MTFs have flat/ low gradient top finishes.

Anyhow, typical Rai means that Eurosport epg changed last night.
Now live from 11-15am, hopefully catching the top kms of the Mortirolo.
Slapshot 3

Should be a cracking day, got it recording but will try to watch some sneaky bits on my phone, I hope Tom gets through it ok
HuwB

A huge break with little time, being chased by "missed it" Gazprom means they just starting the final 10kms of the Mortirolo.
So coverage will start only for the last couple of kms, no more, I reckon.
HuwB

Trek and Mollema already riding to protect his 6th place.
How pathetic is that?

Brian Smith on Eurosport not impressed.
mazda

Sad  Sadly predictable.
Why don't they put someone in the break, or at least make the effort at the time.

Kruijswijk is also in the break.
Maybe Amador followed him to protect his 9th place.
mazda

7 out in front including 2 Movistar.
Anacona also busting a gut to bridge across to them. He's made up 30 seconds or so.
mazda

3 Movistar - Izagirre, Anacona, Amador
2 Sky - Deignan, Landa
LL Sanchez
Igor Anton
Kruijswijk
Hirt

Anton appears to complain that he doesn't think the pace is quick enough.
His bluff doesn't work and Landa goes with him and takes the Cima Coppi easily.
mazda

Amador attacks on the descent.
After a while Landa goes after him and seems to be somewhat more efficient.
mazda

Don't know why - the left-handed hairpins make me more nervous than the right-handed ones.
mazda

I think it is Sanchez and Deignan that have been dropped by the 5 chasers behind the 2 leaders.

edit - LLS and Izagirre
mazda

Rolland and Ten Dam are caught by the GC group.
mazda

GC group was being led at a steady pace by QuickStep.
Is now strung out so something has changed.
mazda

Orica and Katusha now driving the GC group and bringing the gap down.
mazda

Kruijswijk attacks.
Landa makes it across.
Hirt and Amador next on the road.

GC gap down to 1'30"
HuwB

After that emergency poo, Dumoulin looks rough.
His Giro is literally down the toilet.
HuwB

Nibali has hit form 3 days earlier than last year.
Only Quintana can live with him.
Zakarin.........
Fontfroide

Just got back from the Montpellier neurologist (the wife, not me).  Did I miss anything?

Happy to see either Landa or Nibali win.  NOT Quintana.
mazda

I don't think Nibs will want to gift the stage.
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:
I don't think Nibs will want to gift the stage.


You got that right.
HuwB

mazda wrote:
I don't think Nibs will want to gift the stage.


That explains the lengthy chat and Landa doing all the work in the final 2kms. Wink

Dumoulin now has the dual problem of defending a slender lead and having to crap on Italy's first stage win, in the post stage dust up to come.
mazda

GC now looks far more interesting.

Have to again question the tactics of Trek and Orica at various times on the stage, although they might have indirectly had an impact on Tom's troubles.
Biosphere

It was all a bit Hollywoody today. Watched the last 55km as live this evening. Did not see that coming - keeps it interesting. Came across this snippet

@ammattipyoraily wrote:

Dumoulin was 5th fastest rider on Umbrailpass. Faster than Pinot, Jungels, Mollema, Yates and Formolo.


If it's a 1 day stomach upset and that's what he's like when the world is falling out of his bottom, then it's far from over.
gerry12ie

I kept radio silence today and watched the highlights 'live'.  If you take the very obvious dramatic event out of it then it would have been not much at all except an Italian win at last.  That said, this was yet another example of cycling giving itself an opportunity to bemoan the lack of chivalry and sportsmanship that was once (apparently) predominant in the sport, but in reality is seldom, if ever, on display.

A real patrone would have made an unambigouos decision to race or wait, but instead there was the usual he said/she said, and they were already racing/not racing, and the guy two places behind was up the road...

I did notice that Eurosport asked Dumoulin and Quintana about the etiquette issue, but Flecha didn't mention it to Nibali - maybe he was told not to?

Anyhow, it will be very interesting to see how TD is tomorrow.  If he's okay downstairs I reckon he will be okay upstairs - but if not then it could be a long, long week.  It's easy to talk about the Giro curse of the Dutch but its always going to be so much more difficult when the team support is minimal.
gerry12ie

The lads in work had good things to say about Sam Bennett's serialised Giro diary.  I hadn't read it until today, but it made me smile...

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At least Lukas and I, and most of my team-mates have a normal room in this hotel, unlike a couple of our soigneurs, who are based two stories down, below the restaurant.

Away from prying eyes, they have a room complete with mirrored ceiling, remote control mood lighting and a strategically placed stripper's pole.
Being pretty straight-laced Germans, the guys are so embarrassed about it, but I think it's hilarious, especially as it's the room where half of the lads had to go for their massage this afternoon.

I don't think the mirrors on the ceiling were designed for that. Apparently there are another two rooms with a similar vibe; the dark room, which apparently has a swing in it, and the oriental room.

I don't know what the oriental room is all about but I doubt you'd get a decent chicken curry in it.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/o...-from-the-next-room-35744426.html
Boogerd_Fan

A few observations:
- sunweb/dumoulin had the whole length of valley road to do something but elected to wait until it was far too late to get back quickly through the cars (i.e. Directly before the climb started proper, forcing tom to chase on much steeper terrain than necessary). I believe he could have gone sooner, seeing his discomfort earlier in the stage not just a sudden emergency.

- he still limited the losses very well.. don't think it's a stomach upset or real sickness otherwise it wouldn't be 2:20 but 5:00+ lost

- nibali, Quintana responded to zakarin for obvious reasons, but it didn't look like they were really motoring on the climb for a good 15 mins - pellizotti rode tempo, jungels was hanging on, as was bunch of others.

- Movistar getting stick for not sitting up...but they also didn't play their relay card either... Quintana did what was  necessary to defend but did not once attack the chase group to try to gain more advantage from the mishap.

- in Switzerland when Plaza and katusha were driving the chase, why wasn't their some better communication from sunweb that the pink jersey needs to stop and they should hold on and save the chase for the climb ?

- Laurens ten dam waited. But was immediately spent in 500m trying to pace dumoulin back to the favourites group... again lack of team strength undermined tom's position.
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Sunweb/Dumoulin had the whole length of valley road to do something but elected to wait until it was far too late to get back quickly through the cars (i.e. Directly before the climb started proper, forcing tom to chase on much steeper terrain than necessary). I believe he could have gone sooner, seeing his discomfort earlier in the stage not just a sudden emergency.
This is where I am too.  You can't go for a poo ar the foot of a climb and expect everyone to stop.  As it was, other than Z's short-lived attack - they pretty much rode tempo for a long long time.  It's a difficult one.  I'm not entirely without sympathy , but I don't think it is that clear cut.

That aside ... lovely to see Nibs get something from the Giro.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
It was all a bit Hollywoody today. Watched the last 55km as live this evening. Did not see that coming - keeps it interesting. Came across this snippet

@ammattipyoraily wrote:

Dumoulin was 5th fastest rider on Umbrailpass. Faster than Pinot, Jungels, Mollema, Yates and Formolo.


If it's a 1 day stomach upset and that's what he's like when the world is falling out of his bottom, then it's far from over.


According to LTD he did have the runs.
Times up the Umbrailpass could be a bit misleading given the way things played out.
If he didn't go too deep yesterday, it is far from over, as you say.
Which is good for us and good for the race.
mazda

I'm also not sure why Movistar would be getting stick - for once they seem like the innocent party in this. They had two riders up the road that they didn't really get to use.

If I were Sunweb I wouldn't bother taking responsibility for setting the pace today. Other teams have a lot more interest now in not letting anyone do a Pereiro.
mazda

At least they didn't fine Dumoulin for unseemly behaviour.
Pinot and Zakarin were fined 100 CHF for something or other.
Biosphere

Have Movistar gotten much stick? They didn't do a lot with the situation IMO, and I've not seen much (or even any) negative feedback.

I did like Nibali's bunny hop. If it was me I might have just about managed the first bit and then forgotten to brake for the hairpin and carried on in a straight line.
mazda

40+ riders ahead today.

Mohoric and Brutt have 4' on a large pack containing Polanc (?).
Peloton at 9'

Rolland was with the pair, but once again proving himself nobody's equal he's now been dropped by the front two or has gone back of his own accord (perhaps just after the two cat 2 climbs).

The large group isn't working particularly well - there are 5 Team DD riders.
How long before Quick Step respond to Polanc ?
Perhaps they won't need to.
mazda

I make it that Polanc is in the virtual top ten now as well as leading the best young rider.
gerry12ie

In work but hoped I might have had a chance with Conti when I saw he was in the break... then I noticed Polanc and Costa are there for UAE as well.  Oh well...
mazda

Indeed you might.
Conti looks lively - but he might be trying to set up a counter attack for Costa.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
. . Rolland was with the pair, but once again proving himself nobody's equal he's now been dropped by the front two or has gone back of his own accord (perhaps just after the two cat 2 climbs) . .


He was just bluffing Wink

Today was more or less expected I would say. Big break and a go slow behind.

GC hostilities again tomorrow with another manic start? They are climbing from the off.
Nolte

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
A few observations:
- sunweb/dumoulin had the whole length of valley road to do something but elected to wait until it was far too late to get back quickly through the cars (i.e. Directly before the climb started proper, forcing tom to chase on much steeper terrain than necessary). I believe he could have gone sooner, seeing his discomfort earlier in the stage not just a sudden emergency.

- he still limited the losses very well.. don't think it's a stomach upset or real sickness otherwise it wouldn't be 2:20 but 5:00+ lost

- nibali, Quintana responded to zakarin for obvious reasons, but it didn't look like they were really motoring on the climb for a good 15 mins - pellizotti rode tempo, jungels was hanging on, as was bunch of others.

- Movistar getting stick for not sitting up...but they also didn't play their relay card either... Quintana did what was  necessary to defend but did not once attack the chase group to try to gain more advantage from the mishap.

- in Switzerland when Plaza and katusha were driving the chase, why wasn't their some better communication from sunweb that the pink jersey needs to stop and they should hold on and save the chase for the climb ?

- Laurens ten dam waited. But was immediately spent in 500m trying to pace dumoulin back to the favourites group... again lack of team strength undermined tom's position.


a very good summation of yesterday.
it was a 32km to go, the next 15km was uphill so the racing was going. too close to the start of the climb


mazda wrote:
40+ riders ahead today.



and i couldn't fp a rider in it  Confused   Wink
Boogerd_Fan

Movistar were taking heat on social media like twitter and Facebook.

Dudu has said in the post stage interview he first felt like needing to go on the Stelvio climb... so why on earth leave it until then to go? More opportunity to go soone in the valley than I first thought.
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Movistar were taking heat on social media like twitter and Facebook.

Dudu has said in the post stage interview he first felt like needing to go on the Stelvio climb... so why on earth leave it until then to go? More opportunity to go soone in the valley than I first thought.


A sure sign they did nothing wrong.
Do they not realise that Kruisjwijk was up the road and 6 minutes down on GC?
So, riders are now expected to sacrifice their own GC position for the sake of fair play...
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
mazda wrote:
. . Rolland was with the pair, but once again proving himself nobody's equal he's now been dropped by the front two or has gone back of his own accord (perhaps just after the two cat 2 climbs) . .


He was just bluffing Wink

Today was more or less expected I would say. Big break and a go slow behind.

GC hostilities again tomorrow with another manic start? They are climbing from the off.

Credit where due, it was an excellently timed attack which he carried all the way to the line.
I don't begrudge him winning a stage - just the KoM.
Looks like Talansky's win in the ToC has set the ball rolling.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
A sure sign they did nothing wrong.
Do they not realise that Kruisjwijk was up the road and 6 minutes down on GC?
So, riders are now expected to sacrifice their own GC position for the sake of fair play...
... or their opportunity win a targeted stage.

In other news ... I love the Pordoi Smile
mazda

Another big break - less than 20 riders though.

Bahrain up the pace a little, and then Orica up it a little more.
Polanc in trouble for a short while.

Gap to break is 1'45"
HuwB

BT Open Reach turned up and spent 3 hours fixing my phone line.
My internet is back. Very Happy

Interesting cut and thrust but really it's all been about the Dolomites>>>>>Alps, so far.
12.3kms at 6.4% and it's a 2nd cat here. No so in the TDF!
mazda

Movistar have used up most of their team thinning out the GC group and trying to keep up with the Sky driven break ahead.

GC group very thin now.
Jungels dropped for now - will catch up on the long descent.
mazda

... except that Quintana has attacked, looking for Amador and further on Ancona.
Bartali

Well that was interesting ... round one over.
Fontfroide

Rather refreshing to see a little bit of attacking 50k from the tend.  To no real end so far.  Guess we will see at the bottom.  Dumoullin seems fine so far.  The Movistar plan does not seem to have yet realised itself yet.
Bartali

Advantage Dumoulin I'd say ... just.
mazda

That was impressive
HuwB

Bit of earlish action, but if Quintana drops Dumoulin, it will be in the final 3kms of the last climb.
mazda

Might as well list the 7 remaining in the breakaway - although with less than a minute over the 20 riders in the GC group

edit - only 15 in GC group

Mikel Landa
Diego Rosa
Joe Dombrowski
Davide Villella
Tejay van Garderen
Natnael Berhane
Jan Hirt.
Fontfroide

OK, I concede.  A flurry of activity yes.  A bit of testing, yes, but it appears that if nothing happens on the 15k descent to break up the two groups in front, then .... comes down to the last climb.  Still, awesome buttes and mountains around here.  If I had a following car, I could do this one day.

Glad Thibaut is still there, gives me hope for the pick of the day.

Jesus, just saw Rosa struggling like I do.  these guys are incredible how they just ride like dogs and then fade.  Yet, where will Rosa eventually finish.
mazda

With Fraile slightly distanced the rest are happy to cruise over the top of the Pinei behind Landa.
Bartali

Tired legs out there ... and I think they were hoping Dumoulin would be weaker.
mazda

Not quite FF, it has been full gas.
The GC group is the smallest it has ever really been.
Perhaps just 12 now.
Only Orica and Movistar have any domestiques left.
Bartali

Isn't Sitsou still n there?
mazda

Bartali wrote:
Isn't Sitsou still n there?

He got dropped.
Likely got back on.

edit - might not have - think the red is an extra Katusha rider. Plaza got back on.

Yates riding just for white ?
Fontfroide

Sits is still there I think.

Attack downhill of Yates is intriguing.  But too avail.  Jungels being gone, at present, Yates moves up a bit on the young jersey.  I think I might have picked him overall, so yippee.

So the first few k are steepest on the last climb, they say.

Nice to see Teejay messing about in front.
Fontfroide

Allez Thibaut!
Bartali

Sitsou is in white national jersey I think?
mazda

Fontfroide wrote:

So the first few k are steepest on the last climb, they say.

Not according to the profile.

the cat 1 ascent to Pontives. This climb is 9.3km at 6.8%, but it’s the last 3km of the climb that is really tough. With gradients constantly above 10%, this is a great point to launch an attack.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Nice to see Teejay messing about in front.
Now there's a rider that flatters to deceive! I think Landa will roast him as soon as the road gets steep ...
mazda

Bartali wrote:
Sitsou is in white national jersey I think?

In that case he is there.
But expect Movistar to do all the work.
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:
Not quite FF, it has been full gas.
The GC group is the smallest it has ever really been.
Perhaps just 12 now.
Only Orica and Movistar have any domestiques left.


It has been pretty quick.   But seeing 15 riders more or less the leaders together at the last climb is quite normal for a race.  Nothing special.  Anyway, we shall see shortly who gets dropped and who attacks.  Last chance.
Bartali

mazda wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:

So the first few k are steepest on the last climb, they say.

Not according to the profile.

the cat 1 ascent to Pontives. This climb is 9.3km at 6.8%, but it’s the last 3km of the climb that is really tough. With gradients constantly above 10%, this is a great point to launch an attack.


Agreed ... tha last 4k of the stage will play to Dumoulin's strengths
Biosphere

And the chalet has RAI HD and I'm in time for La Ultima Salita Smile
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:
And the chalet has RAI HD and I'm in time for La Ultima Salita Smile


Well timed.
mazda

My RAI 2 stream is faltering ... in between the adverts.
mazda

My RAI 2 stream is faltering ... in between the adverts.
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:

So the first few k are steepest on the last climb, they say.

Not according to the profile.

the cat 1 ascent to Pontives. This climb is 9.3km at 6.8%, but it’s the last 3km of the climb that is really tough. With gradients constantly above 10%, this is a great point to launch an attack.


Must not have heard my commentators correctly.  My French is not perfect.  Roche's accent is tough to understand.  Do like what Pineau says though.
Bartali

Disappointing stage ... I should have gone to work.
Bartali

Movistar working for Dumoulin methinks.
Fontfroide

Now they ride!
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Disappointing stage ... I should have gone to work.


My sympathy.   I also thought more would happen, but it is now!  First testing going on now.  Doesn't seem obvious what when Quintana attacks he is actually dropping them all.  I would have expected that he attacks and drops them all.  Nope.
Bartali

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Nice to see Teejay messing about in front.
Now there's a rider that flatters to deceive! I think Landa will roast him as soon as the road gets steep ...
What do I know ...
Fontfroide

I wam watching the there top guys just hanging out with each other while everyone else attacks.  Bit odd.
Fontfroide

Who would have picked Teejay, even at the end we did not believe!

Thibaut did almost brilliantly.
HuwB

TJ winning sums up that stage.
Landa's second offering of the barn door.

Other than that: not much ado about nothing. Sad
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Nice to see Teejay messing about in front.
Now there's a rider that flatters to deceive! I think Landa will roast him as soon as the road gets steep ...
What do I know ...


I read the CN piece this morning about him looking to go in the break and was thinking about an FP and after 2s I dismissed him too. Would have preferred Landa after his work of 2 days ago, but most of all would have liked to see Astana take a stage.
mazda

A little bit dangerous for Tom to hand out that many seconds to the others.

Nibali and Quintana aren't going to change their approach of trying to attack him, and the other teams can help to make things difficult as FDJ (Reichenbach) showed today.

He can't be certain of beating them all in the ITT (well, perhaps he can).
Biosphere

Not so gracious of Dumoulin to say he hopes Quintana and Nibali lose their podium places for only marking him. He thinks Pinot will dislodge Nibali in TT.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Not so gracious of Dumoulin to say he hopes Quintana and Nibali lose their podium places for only marking him. He thinks Pinot will dislodge Nibali in TT.


No, indeed.

Quintana not happy. I think he knows his best opportunity has gone, but he's come to the race at much the same as the tour last year.
The only way I can see Dumoulin losing any time before Milan is if I fp him again!
Bartali

Waste of a day off ... what a farce.
gerry12ie

Dumoulin is quite the boss when he's on form, but winding up your main rivals (who are both multiple GT winners) is a dangerous game to play when you are still a maiden and have little or no team support.

I hope for his sake he carries on in todays form, but he should watch out that hubris doesn't get the better of him...

Poor Landa
Boogerd_Fan

Looked promising on Gardena, especially when Nairo and Nibs linked up with cataldo, sioutsou, amador and anacona.
But that lasted about 10s until big Tom had bridged across.... looked like they ran out of ideas except to try again in last few km of the final climb.... which as Quintana found was pretty fruitless to use lots of energy to stay away for a few seconds and the leveled off bit at the end giving dumoulin a bit of insurance should he continued that move.

Quintana marked dumoulin little dig quite ok - so I think the legs are there, it's just he needs that 1 big blow, to eek outminutes not seconds. Similar to how he attacked Froome on Alpe d'Huez in 2015.

Nibs is going well too. He wouldn't be attacking or making accelerations otherwise.

They'll have to go early tomorrow on the final climb to make any inroad into Tom's lead. He looks super comfortable so far... maybe on Gardena he could have panicked, but had a huge amount of control and confidence to ride his way than get lured into chasing down shadows.
gerry12ie

Big Tom's trolling seems to have lit the touch paper - so will there be fireworks?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/n...ulins-cocky-criticism-of-tactics/

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...pressed-with-dumoulins-criticism/
mazda

A bit of spice between the participants is not a bad thing.

In a way they are all correct.
Once into the final 4km, when the stage was effectively decided it hurts not a jot for them all to take turns in riding to the finish.

But I still think Tom's comments may have been rather untimely, in that probably neither Q + N are all that bothered about finishing 3rd when there is still a small chance for the win.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them try a 1-2 against Tom (or a 1-2-3-4-5-6, however many it takes).
With Pinot and Zakarin getting close it only increases the danger and options.

As for Tom, I think he has held his counsel very well until now.
Perhaps his words were a back-handed thank you to FDJ for chasing down Quintana.
The meaning certainly won't be lost on FDJ.
Slapshot 3

Have to admit, I've loved the last couple of days, after "runsgate" on Stelvio day to Tom teasing them on the last climb yesterday it's been thoroughly good fun to watch.

On the "to wait or not to wait" thing, it's obvious that the honour and respect that riders paid the Leaders Jersey in the past has disappeared as quickly as their pay cheques have risen. Tom was daft to slow them down for Quintana but the sportsmanship angle was there, bet he won't wait ever again. I think that we should dispense with the bullshit and rhetoric and get on with it, it's supposed to be racing after all.

Whats obvious is that Quintana and Nibali have to attack and as Mazda says a wee bit of spice and nonsense between them makes it more fun. Problem for Quintana and Nibali, based on the last day or two is I'm not sure they have that one huge attack to destroy Tom enough that the TT on Sunday is no longer an issue for them.....it'll be fun to watch whatever happens sadly I'm working the next few days....  Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad
HuwB

Rai currently showing the interview with Nibs and Tom D.
Tom D has apologised for his words of yesterday.
He was caught up in the post stage euphoria and wot not and should not have said what he said etc.
All the while, Nibali was giving him a bit of the Mafia cold stare.

On a side note, I see that after his stage win, TJ once again thinks he can win a GT. Embarassed
HuwB

Tom D experiencing Nibs's karma.
Out the back and 3 teams are killing it on the front.
kathy

Dumoulin dropped - and I for one am pleased about it.  I think he's been behaving like a spoilt brat the last few days!
Bartali

Game on ....

Hi Kathy.  Good to hear from you and - while he's the 'strongest' man out there - I absolutely agree!!
mazda

Oh dear !
mazda

Gap is all over the place.
I guess that is because the time gaps both relate to the leading group, so inaccuracies are introduced.
Anyone got the real time gap ?
Bartali

Seems to be coming down, but aren't they about to hit a climb?
Bartali

Shame ...

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