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Giro 2017: Ancora Antipasti e Carricante:Stages 4-6:May 8-10

STAGE 4: Cefalų – Etna (Rif. Sapienza) 181 km

START TIME: 12.00 CEST


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The first summit finish awaits the peloton after a medium mountain stage. The route follows the mild undulations of the road for 55 km, and then tackles a long and steady climb up Portella Femmina Morta. A very long and manageable descent then leads to the feed zone and to the intermediate sprint in Bronte. The route hits the foot of Mount Etna and runs across a number of villages, heading towards the finish, all the way to Nicolosi, where the closing climb begins. The final part of the route runs through urban areas, on narrowed and often stone-paved roads. The final climb, on wide and tarmacked road, has an average gradient of approx. 6%, with no punchy bits. The road winds its way along wide hairpins for nearly 20 km. There is a mild counterslope with 500 m to go. The home stretch (200 m, 3% uphill grade) leads to the finish line, on 7-m wide asphalt road.


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STAGE 5: Pedara – Messina 159 km

START TIME: 13.15 CEST


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This is a half-wavy, half-flat, stage, with a closing circuit. The stage starts from Pedara, new stage town as far as the Giro is concerned. The first 40 km are fairly complex, as the route passes through several urban areas, with roundabouts, traffic dividers, pedestrian islands, setts paving and speed bumps being the main obstacles. Then comes an uphill stretch (Fornazzo KOM summit), followed by a fast-running and technical descent. The roadway narrows at points in Castiglione di Sicilia. Next, the route climbs up Taormina and descends to the feed zone along partly narrowed roads. Here the roadway becomes wider and mostly straight, leading to the final circuit in Messina (which already saw a final circuit in 1972).   The final 6.3-km circuit shall be covered once, on wide and straight avenues alternating with 90-degree bends. The route takes a U-turn with 1,500 m to go, then a long home straight (descending slightly in the first part) leads all the way to the finish. The home stretch is 1,500 m long, on 7.5-m wide, flat and asphalt road.


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STAGE 6: Reggio Calabria – Terme Luigiane 217 km

START TIME: 11.30 CEST


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The route is basically flat, with just a few climbs and undulations in the first part, and finishes at the top of the short Terme Luigiane uphill stretch. The stage starts from Reggio Calabria (prologue town in 2005 and stage town in nine occasions) and the first 190 km are on a wide trunk road, at points a fast-flow road, with no grade-level intersections. The route clears the Barritteri categorised climb, and heads for an intermediate sprint in Mileto. Next comes a short, steep climb after Marina di Fuscaldo, followed by a technical descent leading to the final 15 kilometres. Note that the route takes a 600-m stretch on dual carriageway, and descends on hairpin bends 4 km before the finish that takes place in Terme Luigiane (already stage town five times).   The final climb totals 2 km at an average 5.3% gradient, on wide, well-surfaced roadway, with no sharp changes of direction. The final km has a 5 to 10% gradient. The home stretch, running entirely uphill, is 500 m long, on 6-m wide asphalt road.


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Biosphere

Thanks for these Huw.

As it's rest day some diversionary reading. I'm amazed that they're modelling down to 20 microns on the numerical simulations. There are some interesting results in there though if you skim the sciency stuff.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/wh...on-really-superior-froome-blocken
Bartali

Excellent Bio.  What a job to have Smile

Thanks for the maps Huw.  My heart is in my mouth for tomorrow.
gerry12ie

Good stuff Bio.  Right up your alley too, I would venture.   Wink

Intuition would steer me towards the Nibali and the Sagan positions as being fastest, and certainly safer, than the Froome.  My guess is we may not see Froome try the Froome again in a hurry, it just looks too unsafe...

You have seen this?


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Biosphere

Nah, the CFD stuff is all over my head, but I know enough from other numerical / nonlinear modelling that they are quite pushing the boat out with 36 million cells. Well at least I think I do. It does look like a fun thing to model though, and the scaling of the hurricane force winds to the reduced size models made me laugh.

I am also having a smile about the idea of Italian Romeos suggesting the "Pantani position" to their other halves and getting a fat lip in return.

Saw the crashing cyclist before. Probably not what I would try on what looks like a dual carriageway Shocked
HuwB

The peloton pace has been lifted, but the gap to the breakaway is only closing slowly.
Fontfroide

Mixed between the escapee,normally my man, and Zakarin whois on my team.
Fontfroide

Yes the escapee!
HuwB

Polanc holds on to win, as I sort of figured after he beat Nibali in a mountain stage in Croatia.
Jungels into pink, Thomas gains a massive 4 seconds. What a stage.
A victory for conservative cycling.
Fontfroide

Yep, as no doubt someone would have expected, not a day when the big guns wanted to use up serious ammo.  Too early.  But they all seem be a in good shape, ready for the action that might start in a few days.

Maybe in the next three days we will have an "unexpected event".  But I think I might watch one or two on replay if domestic duties interfere.  

I tried really hard to wish the best to Rolland, which I did.  But once again in the short interview after, he showed why I have never warmed to him in any way at all.  Either as a sports personality or as a witty, humorous interviewee.
Bartali

Happy with that.  I thought it might be too early in the race for Nibs and feared he might ship some time.

Pleased the lad won it.  Gutsy ride.
Bartali

Gerry ... that fella is lucky he didn't end up under the truck!!!
HuwB

This was spotted at the time and shown in zoom, but in case anyone missed it:-

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_UK/status/861947347877502976

Javier Moreno has been dq'd, but Rosa, who wasn't entirely innocent, escapes penalty.

https://d.filebox.moe/ptmyvwop.mp4

Casualties of the day:-
Broken collarbone for Katusha's Kochetkov. Out of the race.

Ag2r's Alexandre Geniez was another abandon.

Matteo Pelucchi crashed on the descent  of the first climb and rode the final 80kms with a whole load of road rash.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Javier Moreno has been dq'd, but Rosa, who wasn't entirely innocent, escapes penalty.


Absolutely ridiculous IMO.  That sort of stuff goes on all the time ... no need to dq anyone IMO.  But to dq Moreno for a non-dangerous tug on a shirt but not Rosa for what looks like a similarly non dangerous tug on a saddle is plainly unfair to rider and team. And I say that irrespective of the teams and riders involved.
Bartali

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Moreno pushed the Italian when the two were in the middle of the peloton, approaching the foot of the Mount Etna climb. Rosa spun off the road and was forced to change his bike as a result.


Fair enough then ... I didn't see that in the clip above (maybe I didn't watch it t the end).
Bartali

Re watched it and I still don't really see it.  If Rosa goes into the spectators its because he's not looking where he's riding.  Certainly not a deliberate push into the crowd as CN suggests ...
HuwB

This will take your mind off it.
Pelucchi rode 80kms like this.....

Nolte

HuwB wrote:

Casualties of the day:-
Broken collarbone for Katusha's Kochetkov. Out of the race.

FDJ's Alexandre Geniez was another abandon.

Matteo Pelucchi crashed on the descent  of the first climb and rode the final 80kms with a whole load of road rash.


geniez seems to be on bad form currently. stage 3 in catalunya dns. stage 4 circuit de la sarthe dnf. tour of the alpes stage 2 dnf so this the fourth stage race he abandoned (he did finish tirreno addriatico). he started off well finishing 3rd in tour la provence with a stage win.

albert losada didn't look good either after his crash, finishing the stage behind pelucchi at 39 minutes. but that is hard riding from pelucchi to do so. bravo.

Wonder if losada will start tomorrow. Nothing on katusha twitter.

and good ride from jan polanc too to just win with a show of determination. Nice to see breakaway rider making it.

Winds on mt. Etna just seemed to neutralise the main group, although granted a smaller group than on a mountain top finish in romandy so that's something.

With Javier moreno, I'd guess he was hitting out against something earlier and the video just doesn't catch that.
Slapshot 3

Really enjoyed the last 20km today, Polanc's last 5km were just ballsy it's always nice to see a stage win come from a break when it's least expected.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Re watched it and I still don't really see it.  If Rosa goes into the spectators its because he's not looking where he's riding.  Certainly not a deliberate push into the crowd as CN suggests ...


I'm afraid you are wrong there.
Eurosport have dealt with it in detail today.
A clear push and although partially obscured by tree foliage, Rosa ends up in the crowd, hitting a a spectator dressed in blue.

Team Sunweb rider Chad Haga who saw it all was then interviewed and confirmed what took place.
According to him, Rosa ended up going over his handlebars.
It was reported yesterday that as a result, he needed a bike change.

Even Bahrain accept the call.
mazda

After seeing the text commentary referring to "The riders take the high-speed 360 turn " I had grand visions of an amazing spiral loop construction and rapidly scrambled around for a route map and Google Earth.

But no, the idiot meant a simple U-turn. Sad

edit - actually it was somewhere in between - imagine them leaving a large roundabout at the same entrance that they entered it and you get the idea.

Good win for Gaviria who was scrapping for intermediate points as well.
HuwB

I was having kittens when they were charging through those crowds, standing in the road.
A miracle that we didn't have a pile up.
Quite a lucky Giro in this respect so far.

Gaviria has raced of the rust and he's now looking the part.
Jakob Mareczko was absolutely flying over that final 100 metres.
gerry12ie

I am still trying to unimagine Matt Stephens in a cargo shorts and black shoes combination talking up the finale in the finishing straight of Messina
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
I'm afraid you are wrong there.
Eurosport have dealt with it in detail today. A clear push and although partially obscured by tree foliage, Rosa ends up in the crowd, hitting a a spectator dressed in blue.
Fair enough ... I haven't had a chance to see that.  Was it at the beginning of today's coverage?
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
I'm afraid you are wrong there.
Eurosport have dealt with it in detail today. A clear push and although partially obscured by tree foliage, Rosa ends up in the crowd, hitting a a spectator dressed in blue.
Fair enough ... I haven't had a chance to see that.  Was it at the beginning of today's coverage?


Yes.
They have that 20 minutes of general race chat before each stage now.
Devoted much of that time to this.

However, if you are looking for mitigating circumstances, here is the argument for the defence.

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news...earing-punch-javier-moreno-329849

Most of the comments underneath have it right imo.
Nolte

On that first point, how many with microphones have Eurosport working on the giro.

I've counted 8.
HuwB

I've just had a quick 3 point weather check of stage beginning middle and end and it looks to be a 40-65kph crosswind, from the land side, all the way.
Could be total carnage with huge GC implications, or else they will all huddle together like sheep.
mazda

HuwB wrote:

They have that 20 minutes of general race chat before each stage now.
Devoted much of that time to this.

However, if you are looking for mitigating circumstances, here is the argument for the defence.

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news...earing-punch-javier-moreno-329849

Most of the comments underneath have it right imo.


One of those comments refers to Moreno punching Rosa earlier. Then the footage of Rosa giving him a slap, then Moreno sending him into the crowd.
There might be a whole history of events between the two.
Perhaps it is the sinned against rather than the sinner that ultimately gets the severe punishment, or maybe they have it right.
As a football analogy Moreno's shove was more than just bumping foreheads, it was a full punch to the face.
mazda

At halfway a decent gap of 7' for a strong group of 5 riders.
Was over 8' at one point.

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Mads Pedersen     (Trek-Segafredo)
Jasper Stuyven    (Trek-Segafredo)
Lukas Postlberger (Bora)
Simone Andreetta  (Bardiani-CSF)
Silvan Dillier    (BMC

Cannondale and Wilier Triestina slowly pegging it back.
mazda

50 km to go. Gap @ 5'

The sort of break that will stay away if they haven't already put too much effort into it.
Going to take at least two teams to bring it back.
HuwB

Cor this is dull.
The lack of ambition from teams without a real GC contender is staggering.
Hatch trying hard to build tension when there isn't any.
Fontfroide

Yep, day for an escape.  No team cares.  

Gott be Stuyven eh?
mazda

There is always some excitement in seeing if the escape will survive and I always prefer it when they do.
10 km to go gap still over 2'.
Escapees (except Pedersen obviously) still not going full gas as Pedersen has been able to be dropped on the short climbs only to catch back up later.
Bartali

Thanks Huw ... I'll take a look.  I'm not looking for a case for the defence, I was just surprised that what looked like a 50:50 in the original coverage appeared to have been handled so inequitably.  But there's no excuse for pushing someone off the road.  For sure Rosa does something in this latest clip but it looks fairly innocuous to me.  As others have said ... probably some spat that stated hours, days or weeks earlier.  Oh hum.
Bartali

They need to get these cars out of the way ...
mazda

Dillier outsprints Stuyven.
Postlbereger 3rd.

Canondale finish 5th to justify their leading the chase all day.
Adam Yates gets the last SM points paying place.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
They need to get these cars out of the way ...


That's what I said at the time.
The most exciting thing to happen all afternoon.

The thing about a breakaway win: it's exciting if there is doubt whether they will make it or not. Today, it was never in doubt.

Bart:
It's happened again today, as it does most days and was caught and shown by Rai with that zoom shot.
Omar Fraile had a bit of a swing at a Katusha rider. Little or no contact and a few harsh words.

I reckon the dqf was purely down to the fact that spectators were involved in the incident.
Bartali

I wish I could take a swing at people at work and get away with it Wink
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
They need to get these cars out of the way ...


That was just a lot of cars. The guy waving them to parking place/run off at 400 metres seemed to have been in a panic to get them all through the opening before the main group got to it.
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
I wish I could take a swing at people at work and get away with it Wink


You should have worked more in the Leeds office. Violence was not only tolerated but positively encouraged!
HuwB

This has to be the worst stage of a particularly poor bunch.
Half an hour late again and nowhere near the finish.
When they get there, it sounds dangerous.
HuwB

The only thing good about that 220km long turd was the photo finish.
Ewan finally wins, but he needed a tight criterium circuit to do it.
kathy

If the last 120km of today's stage which I watched, are representative of this week-s race, then I'm glad I've been away!

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