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Giro 2016:-I Primi Piatti: Stages 4-8: May 10th-14th

Tuesday May 10: stage four – Catanzaro to Praia a Mare, 191km

Finally, the race reaches Italy and the first bumps in the road:-
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The route is divided into two parts: the first 120 kilometres run basically flat and fast from Catanzaro to the Tyrrhenian coast, following the shoreline up to the final 70 km, and then tackling the Bonifati and San Pietro di Maierà climbs. Short yet sharp stretches are packed over the last 15 km, promoting possible attacks for a stage win. Praia a Mara will be for the first time a Giro d'Italia finish.


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Wednesday May 11: stage five – Praia a Mare to Benevento, 233km

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The route leading the peloton to Benevento starts with the Fortino climb, enters the province of Salerno and runs through Irpinia. In Benevento, a final circuit measuring a little more than 6 km is likely to lead to a bunch sprint. Benevento is arrival for the 7th time, the first was in 1929 with a triumph of Girardengo, the last in 2009.


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Thursday May 12: stage six – Ponte to Roccaraso, 165km

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The stage is wavy; the route starts uphill, to clear the Torrecuso climb straight away, leading to Bojano and then to Isernia after rolling past Telese Terme, Cusano Mutri and Bocca di Selva. A short climb in Rionero Sannitico leads to the concluding ascent, from Castel di Sangro to the finish in Roccaraso-Aremogna. The final climb – especially the second half – has “feasible” gradients. This stage will mark a first selection of the favourites. Giro d'italia comes to Roccaraso after 29 years.


This stage will be the first of the four to be shown in full, live on tv.
Eurosport coverage begins at 12-00BST.

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Friday May 13: stage seven – Sulmona to Foligno, 210km

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This is a sprinters’ stage, just like the one finishing in Benevento. The fastest riders will have to make it to the finish after clearing a few climbs in the first part of the route, across the province of L’Aquila, and the mountains in the province of Rieti. The route will grow faster and faster past Rieti, culminating in a final sprint in the city of the “Quintana” (a traditional jousting tournament).


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Saturday May 14: stage eight – Foligno to Arezzo, 169km

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Medium-mountain stage. The route runs flat up to the province of Arezzo, where a more undulating part begins. The route clears the Rassinata climb and takes a first pass over the finish; then, after running through the centre of Arezzo, it takes a first-ever pass over Alpe di Poti. The gradients are not extreme, but the last 6 km run on dirt road, and will be decisive. The route then drops straight into the finish line in Arezzo, for the 12th time arrival of a stage.


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HuwB

A detailed look at the last 20kms or so of tomorrow's stage:-
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/13338848
gerry12ie

Thanks Huw
maffy

notice that rai never bothered to take any sets or stages to foreign parts, instead relying on chatty garzelli and alessandra de talkative to sit and fill for 25 minute processo.
no more gigi according to the biscuitbook. started early after this sincronizzato from londolimpicpool. nice technical splitscreen top to bottom difficulty.
HuwB

Rai's coverage started early, 15 minutes before anybody else. They were due to leave but didn't.
Eurosport's ad break deluge has seen me head for the sanctuary that is Sporza. The Belgian coverage proving once again that simple, no nonsense is best.

I think that stage took just about everyone by surprise. I had given Ulissi some serious fp thought, but the sheer volume of pundits tipping Kittel, Demare etc, had me questioning what I already knew: that it was really difficulty from the last catagorised climb.

Smart ride by Lampre's el capitano. In the end, virtually all the GC boys come through unscathed.
If Dumoulin can hang tough on Thursday and Saturday, he could hold pink until the serious mountains start at the back end of week 2.
A big if though. He does get a second chance with the long ITT also up, this weekend.
gerry12ie

Well that was a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing.  The highlights were 50 or so very watchable kilometres of good attacking racing.

Dumoulin is obviously going to try and snipe a few extra seconds to put in the TT bank when he can.  Interesting...
Boogerd_Fan

Dumoulin in the hot seat.. but i am assuming that the GC guys who finished off the stage strongly, are all quite happy to let him be there and take the heat so to speak... the key will be peaking in week 3.
maffy

garibaldi wrote:
PROCESSO ALLA TAPPA (“THE STAGE ON TRIAL”) The long-standing RAI programme from a new-look, open-plan studio. Stefanose review the day’s stage, with the emphasis on technical aspects. The stage is dissected to show what the cameras missed. Live interviews from the finish line and the buses gauge the mood among the riders. The following day’s stage is also previewed.


a studio which, unlike the expansive centre of attention for those present in recent years, has it's back to the audience using them as a televisual aid.

be interesting to see which way round they put it and whether it sprouts a lovely pink gazebo at the top of a snowy dolomiti.

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sporza levitating greenhouse ftw
mazda

A nice stage.
Switched on the coverage and before I'd even had time to adjust the volume you could tell instantly they were back in bella Italia.

The Dutch pair must have been about 1.98 seconds ahead of Valverde but only credited with a 1 second difference.
HuwB

Today has been pretty much what we saw in the Netherlands, with a ups and downs.
The biggest down being the abandon of the latest sprinting sensation, Jacob Marezcko. Perlucchi isn't long for this race, either. He's out the back every time the road isn't downhill or flat.
HuwB

Greipel so far in front it was almost embarrassing.
A split behind Valverde meant 4 seconds lost by the majority of the GC boys to him and Zakarin.
Boogerd_Fan

A cheeky 4s there for Piti, nice!
Nolte

all because roche din't hold his wheel Sad
Biosphere

Greipel was made to look more dominant than Kittel - the gap just seemed to come from nowhere.

Setting the recording apparatus this morning I noticed that Eurosport Deutschland were allegedly covering the stage from about 1pm local time. I suspect I will have 5 hours of snooker when I get home, but maybe there is really an early feed today. Probably early every day on RAIS anyway if I checked . . .
SlowRower

According to Strava feeds, there was close to 3000m of ascent yesterday. I guess "sprinters can't climb" is a relative concept!
HuwB

Today's stage profile has changed with the first climb being removed:

HuwB

Watching this, it seems that diazepam has replaced epo in the peloton.
gerry12ie

Come on Tim! Very Happy

Wimbledon flashbacks...
mazda

Certainly looks doable.
5' with 13km to go
We'll know more when he reaches the flatter interlude about half way up.

Fuglsang has attacked.

Cyclingnews notes that
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Cunego has been dropped by the peloton. That's somewhat of a surprise to see him lose ground so early.

Surprised
mazda

Still 4'
Starting the last long uphill stretch.
mazda

Crumbs !
Nibali tries to attack to bridge to Fuglsang.
Fails.
Dumoulin attacks and off he goes.
mazda

Zakarin goes with him.
HuwB

I confess that I gave up and went out.
Awful stage design. Really starting to miss old Angelo.
Wellens wins from the breakaway.
Nibali must have no idea where his form is at the moment.
Dumoulin and Zakarin act, Pozzo latches (or leeches) on while the rest people watch.
All pretty meaningless in terms of the third week, but this Giro is already starting to look like a carbon copy of the 2012 debacle.
Bartali

Nibali on Facebook ...

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It has not been a good day for the tactic.. Everything wrong in the end, I had to play to wait and watch! @Giroditalia Let's move on ‪#‎humility‬


Sums it up quite well
Nolte

That was a bad attack by nibali, the rider he hurt most with that attack was himself

Good win for wellens
Boogerd_Fan

Nibs trying his form, or quickly finding out he's got nothing at the moment. Trying to find a positive - he might be not so tightly marked next time after this mega-fail.

Happens to me all the time.. a lull in the pace or there's a change in the front of the group and it slows down, in a spontaneous decision its a great chance to attack and get a quick gap.. but very often not sustainable and does more damage than good to your own chances.

Fuglsang up the road WAS a good Astana tactic though - he performed role of spoiler quite nicely for those waiting for the bonus seconds, and had Nibs reached him, a good launch pad for that attack to stick.

Probably Nibs should've waited and used his burst of adrenaline to follow Dudu instead of roll the dice... still long way to go.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
. . . but this Giro is already starting to look like a carbon copy of the 2012 debacle.


Wiggins Tour win wasn't that bad was it Wink At least as a fellow TTer, Dumoulin is attacking everywhere for the seconds.

Nice win for Wellens and as a stage to see where the relative forms are I thought it was OK for week 1. There were seconds there to be picked off - probably better than there being minutes of differential?
Boogerd_Fan

Nibs soundbite is that he was following instructions to have a dig if he felt good, but it was wrong call because of headwind. So why did he follow through with doing it then??!! Very Happy numpty!
gerry12ie

Yeah, I like the way TD is looking to take seconds where he can, rather than rely purely on the TT.  I think the Giro could take something from the 'classics' first week that the TDF has gone for in the last 3 or 4 years.  Tuesday's stage was great, but the first week hasn't been all that, really.

Big sprints are fine and dandy as a spectacle, and are (and should be) an integral part of GTs - but are probably best left to balmy July days with a sunflower background, non? Wink
HuwB

Strung out in single file for 20kms followed by an over cluttered bunch sprint.
Flipping odd, stage.
At least it was over in short order.
Not finding this a particularly attractive Giro either.
mazda

It was designed to be like that (the stage).

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This is a sprinters’ stage, just like the one finishing in Benevento. The fastest riders will have to make it to the finish after clearing a few climbs in the first part of the route, across the province of L’Aquila, and the mountains in the province of Rieti. The route will grow faster and faster past Rieti, culminating in a final sprint in the city of the “Quintana” (a traditional jousting tournament).


Can't see tomorrow being that much different to earlier fare, we will have the GC teams setting the fast pace to try and drop the sprinters.
Boogerd_Fan

I quite liked the variety / randomness today. In first hour of racing a group of 50 were ahead thanks to Canondale riding hard and making echelons... They had over 2 mins at one point!

Feel a bit sorry for Kung - he had been in all the breaks today in some form or other and nearly held on until the sprinters teams got their act together. By no means easy run-in - disorder also created by folks like Kittel and Pozzato getting punctures in the final 5km
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
Can't see tomorrow being that much different to earlier fare, we will have the GC teams setting the fast pace to try and drop the sprinters.


The loop around Arezzo features this Strade Bianche type climb so not much chance of sprinters. The gravel starts on the 14% section Smile

Biosphere

Bennati being interviewed on Italian TV about his tweet where nails were strewn across the sterrato section earlier.

"The mother of cretins is always pregnant - without words"




Nolte

Biosphere wrote:

"The mother of cretins is always pregnant - without words"


did nibali have a similar quote 2 years ago when a rider was kicked of the tour
"the mother of the imbecile is always pregnant"

Bartali wrote:
Nibali on Facebook ...

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It has not been a good day for the tactic.. Everything wrong in the end, I had to play to wait and watch! @Giroditalia Let's move on ‪#‎humility‬


Sums it up quite well


a quote in a novel "birth of a bridge" by maylis de kerangel
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astana, kazakhstan: the presidential palace unveiled three days earlier was a rplica of the white house. Diderot had delivered the work on time to the local dictator


i guess astana tactics are a bit like astana politics

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motoring along today
Biosphere

I think it's the same Italian quote but the dodgy translation is mine. The without words bit is the #senzaparole hashtag.

The fun starts soon.
Bartali

Fuck me ... Valverde attacked ... you don't see that very often!!
Biosphere

Did Fuglsang have a mechanical and did Nibali attack him? Laughing
HuwB

How to get rid of Tom Dumoulin?
Have me fp him for the win! Laughing

Valverde attacks again.
Bartali

Total lack of ambition from a lot of this lead group.  Chavez saving himself for a 50m sprint at the top rather than put a shift in.
Bartali

Numpties ..
Bartali

Nice one for Brambila Smile
HuwB

Dumoulin out of the top 10 altogether, but he may well reclaim the Maglia Rosa, tomorrow.
Depends on what the problem was and how good a ITT the likes of Zakarin, Valverde or maybe even Uran can produce.
Still not sure where Nibali is on the form graph.
Bartali

I don't think Nibali's form is there yet. He seems unhappy to me so might come unstuck a bit tomorrow.
HuwB

OTL Filosi Iuri Nippo - Vini Fantini    -
OTL Viviani Elia Team Sky   ,,
OTL van Poppel Boy Trek - Segafredo   ,,
Bartali

Viviani  Shocked That's a shock.
Nolte

Cycling news report puts them down at 55 minutes behind brambilla while fourth last ji cheng was 24 minutes down.

If the cycling news report is right, there has to be something else to it that those three finished 31 minutes behind anyone else and 34 minutes behind fifth last
Fontfroide

Nice win, but I can't say the stage lit me up much, especially since it seems rather difficult to get a decent quality feed.  Unless, of course, I paid for BeIn.  I was hoping Nibali would attack, but maybe he is not quite ready.  Then again, none of them seem quite ready to make a decent spectacle.  They must be waiting for the right moment.
Boogerd_Fan

That was flat out for last 25-30km... What point to attack if piti was already setting a pace uncomfortable enough to make selection. Nibs and a couple others helped on the descent / roll into finish

Great stage!! Not quite as epic as the sterraro stage Evans vs Basso from a few years ago - was that 2008/2009/2010?? Cant remember - but the one which revealed Nibs as a future contender
gerry12ie

'Twas a good stage alright Boogie, but I wouldn't put it anywhere near the league of the 2010 stage, which was properly epic.  That Giro was easily the best GT in recent years, because as good as the Strade Bianche stage was, the action in Aquila, and the Zoncolan and  Mortirolo stages equalled it.

This Giro has a way to go yet to reach that standard, but we will know a lot more tomorrow...
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
Nice win, but I can't say the stage lit me up much, especially since it seems rather difficult to get a decent quality feed . . . .


I've not had need to try this for the Giro, but have you tried it?

http://www.cyclinghub.tv/livestream
Fontfroide

Thanks Bio, will try that today.

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