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Giro 2016:Dolce,Cafe and Grappa! Stages 18-21May 26th - 29th

Thursday May 26: stage 18- Muggiò > Pinerolo 244km

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Flat for 170 km, this stage will have a more challenging finale. The route initially runs across the entire northwestern Po Plain, from Milano to Torino, along mainly straight and wide roads. The stage course cuts across a few major cities, where the common traffic calming devices will be found. After reaching Pinerolo (and clearing Colletta di Cumiana), the route takes a first pass over the finish line, climbs up the steep Via dei Principi d’Acaja stretch, tackles the Pramartino climb and goes back to Pinerolo. 2,500 m before the finish, the route turns left and climbs up Via Principi d’Acaja (average 14% gradient and peaks of 20%, on setts-paved and narrow road). Next is a steep and harsh descent leading into Pinerolo. The last 1,500 m run on level roads, with just a few bends and a short stretch on stone-slab paving.


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Friday May27th stage 19 - Pinerolo > Risoul 162km

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This is a high mountain stage featuring a summit finish, and “home” to the Cima Coppi. The route runs constantly uphill (on deceptively flat roads) over 80 km, all the way up to Casteldelfino. Here the road starts to climb up Colle dell’Agnello (Cima Coppi, 2744 m). The following 40 km run mostly downhill and lead to Guillestre, at the foot of the final climb. Beware of a few tunnels around km 135. The last 13 km run entirely uphill, with an average 7% gradient and 15 hairpins. The roadway is very wide and well surfaced. The home straight, 150 m in length, on 6-m wide asphalt road, has an 8% uphill gradient.


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Saturday May 28th stage 20 - Guillestre >  Sant’Anna di Vinadio 134km

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This short queen stage across the Alps features a remarkable 4,100 m rise and drop in as little as 134 km, with a sequence of 4 climbs and 3 descents and not even a single flat stretch in between. The route climbs up Col de Vars (19 km), Col de la Bonette (22 km), Col de la Lombarde (20 km) and the final 2.3 km leading to the Sant’Anna Sanctuary. The road is wide and well-surfaced along all of the climbs (mostly above 2,000 m), with many hairpins. The roadway only narrows along the technical descent from Col de la Lombarde, all the way up to the last 2.3 km. The route climbs steadily over the last 2,300 m, with gradients ranging from 9% to 11%. The road is quite narrow, with a few hairpins. The last few hundred metres of the route run among the Sanctuary’s buildings, with short uphill stretches and tight bends.


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Sunday May 29th stage 21 -  Cuneo > Torino 163km

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The route starts in Cuneo, runs through Borgo San Dalmazzo and then heads towards Torino, leaving Cuneo to the south-east. The stage course runs along wide and straight trunk roads across the plain, all the way up to Torino, where a final circuit shall be covered 8 times.


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mazda

25 riders have 9 minute lead. 160 km to go.

Only 23 names given though :-

Axel Domont (AG2R-La Mondiale)
Davide Malacarne (Astana)
Stefan Kung, Daniel Oss (BMC)
Moreno Moser, Ramunas Navadauskas (Cannondale)
Gianluca Brambilla, Matteo Trentin (Etixx-QuickStep)
Olivier le Gac (FDJ)
Andrey Solomennikov (Gazprom-Rusvelo)
Roger Kluge (IAM Cycling)
Sacha Modolo, Matej Mohoric (Lampre-Merida)
Pim Ligthart (Lotto-Soudal)
Genki Yammamoto, Gianfranco Zilioli (Nippo-Vini Fantini)
Nikias Arndt, Alberto Timmer (Giant-Alpecin)
Christian Knees (Team Sky)
Pavel Brutt, Jay McCarthy, Ivan Rovny (Tinkoff)
Julen Amezqueta (Wilier Triestina-Southeast)

Busato is in the break - don't know if that is instead of, or as well as Amezquetta.

Expect some action for the Red points jersey with 3rd, 4th and 5th all in the break.
mazda

A lot of fresh snow on Monday has raised some concerns for tomorrow.
Suggestion of backup route via Sestriere (some 500m lower).

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...he-high-alps-despite-recent-snow/
mazda

100km to go, gap at 11'.
Rai coverage not started yet, so just rehashing cyclingfans tracker.
I'll probably miss the start of Pramartino (and the cobbles in Pinerolo) but will be back later.
HuwB

68 kms and the big break has almost 12 minutes.
Looks like we'll be getting action from the break and the bunch at the same time. How will RAI manage to fit in all those pointless shots of old buildings, water features, flowers and small children? Laughing
HuwB

Have to say that Eurosport's coverage has been hopeless today.
Ad breaks literally every 5 minutes.
Just can't follow the race.
mazda

Pavel Brutt out on his own.
Not got a big gap.
Peloton at 14' and out of it.
mazda

Navadauskas leading Moser up the cobbles.
mazda

Moser tries to attack, covered by Etixx.
All back together again, including Brutt.
mazda

HuwB wrote:
How will RAI manage to fit in all those pointless shots of old buildings, water features, flowers and small children? Laughing

Nice helicopter shot of Pinerolo.  Very Happy
mazda

11 riders ahead now.
Both Etixx, both Tinkoff, both Cannondale ...
Oss and Knees struggling.

I think Moser and Brambilla are ready to go ...
mazda

Katusha leading the peloton.
mazda

Brambilla and Moser nearly at the top.
Arndt is chasing, rather forlornly.
Rides through a large black flag with skull and bones on it.
mazda

Arndt joined by Rovny.
28" behind the leaders.
mazda

A thinned out peloton going up in order (except that Movistar always seem to be in front of Orica in the pecking order).
mazda

Modolo and Trentin make it 4 chasers.
mazda

Lotto had Battaglin lead Kruijswijk and the peloton all the way up the climb.
No attempt to isolate him.
mazda

The 4 are catching the 2 ...
5.4 km to go
mazda

The bigger riders are only 14" behind now.
Of course there is another little ramp to come that will suit the climbers again.

edit - forgot that Trentin has the luxury of being a passenger
mazda

Rovny slides perfectly to an upright parked position on the barrier.
mazda

Interesting they went up the same climb twice.
Could have had a crossover.

1500m to go.
mazda

Brambilla seems to have got Moser to lead it out.
mazda

Trentin 5 seconds behind.
Will Brambilla wait ?
mazda

No contest.
Trentin takes the win.
HuwB

Cannondale mugged by Trentin at the line and still WT winless.
Overall, another stage that failed to ignite.
mazda

It's official.
Etixx are now a GT team rather than a Classics team.
mazda

Just the cobbles for the GC peloton.
mazda

No change overall.

Probably not enough of a work out to begin the wearing down for the next two stages.
Have to hope the cumulative altitude has an effect.
Nolte

On the Saturday that brambilla took the stage from Moser, Trentin was in the break too did a good bit of work for brambilla's behalf .

Good finish I thought. I recall in the tour de France maybe 13 years back, vinokourov took a win in a similar style to Trenton.
Biosphere

The goats cause a diplomatic incident

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/r...nal-incident-giro-ditalia-shorts/

The freeze frame of the Chaves video further down the same page makes it look like it was bring your son / daughter to work at Orica!

Who says radios kill the excitement Wink

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Little did Moser realise as they dropped into Pinerolo, however, that a third man was on the cusp of re-entering the reckoning. When Brambilla refused to take any more turns on the front on the descent, Moser initially mistook his actions for gamesmanship, not realising that he was laying the groundwork for teammate Matteo Trentin to latch back on.

"Then over the top, I heard on the radio that they were telling Gianluca: ‘Don't pull, Matteo's coming up.' I'm not sure if they even saw me coming up in the end. I haven't spoken to Gianluca yet, but I think it was like that."
mazda

50 km covered.
Don't know who got the sprint points.

A tentative break of 2 riders.
Verona and Denifl.
Can't see Cunego letting that stick.
mazda

All back together.
HuwB

Fair wizzing along. All slightly uphill terrain at 50.3kph average.
Lucky they are dog tired, eh?
mazda

28 riders escape, with 17 km to the summit.
I guess the Cima Coppi is something worth winning ?
mazda

Scarponi soaring to the top.
Ulissi plugging away behind.
Signs of stress in main peloton but nothing concrete yet.
HuwB

Eurosport calmly carry on with an interview, as Chaves blows up everybody but Valverde and Kruisjwijk. Embarassed
mazda

Race on now !

Rai go to ad break.

edit - now Giro indiretta  Rolling Eyes
mazda

Looks like Chaves doing all the work.
mazda

But all the big names seem to be there.
My own personal break now ...
HuwB

Kruisjwijk crashes
HuwB

Zakarin down and clearly out.
Bike change for Kruisjwijk.
mazda

Shocked
1'20" the gap
mazda

HuwB wrote:
Kruisjwijk crashes


On the downhill ?
mazda

Valverde getting back on to Chaves and Nibali.

Scarponi (poor chap) waiting.
mazda

Kruijswijk on his own and gaining.
HuwB

mazda wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Kruisjwijk crashes


On the downhill ?

Spectacular crash into the snow banking.
Zakarin less fortunate, into a rocky stream bed.

2 minutes behind Chaves and Nibali.
mazda

Montfort is leading by the way !
Boogerd_Fan

OMG
Slapshot 3

So where are all the comments about attacking the race leader when.n he falls or has a mechanical?? Or does that only apply to when Contador does it??
mazda

Chaves group now has 9 @`1'20"
Still a group of 5 ahead and then Montfort on his own.
mazda

Slapshot 3 wrote:
So where are all the comments about attacking the race leader when.n he falls or has a mechanical?? Or does that only apply to when Contador does it??

Dunno, not watching Eurosport.
RAI, naturally, not quite so concerned about any such etiquette breach.
mazda

14 now chasing Montfort.
Scarponi and Plaza doing most of the work for their team leaders.

Valverde (+ Majka) 45 seconds behind.

Maglia Rosa 2'
HuwB

Kruisjwijk pops spectacularly.
kathy

I must stop picking Zakarin - the poor guy has a disaster whenever I do! Sad
mazda

Chaves into virtual lead.

edit - Nibs virtual second

edit - not any more, Valverde back into second
mazda

Nibali attacks.
Chaves comfortably gets back.

- goes again !

Could have a 3-way fight here.

edit - 4-way. Kruijswijk back into Rosa
HuwB

Nibali doing a fair impression of Lazarus.
Similar to Aru's regeneration, last year.
Could be just a few seconds between the podium 3 at the end.
mazda

Chaves at 8".
Valverde seems to have gone backwards again.
SK slipping out of Rosa again.
mazda

Chaves at 16"
mazda

27".
Nieve back up to Chaves.
HuwB

Kruisjwijk over 4 minutes down.
mazda

Nieve helping (that'll go down well).
mazda

Chaves 51' (plus 10 - 4 bonus ?).

Valverde 2'13"
mazda

GC
Chaves
Nibali 44"
SK 1'05"
Valverde also within 2'
HuwB

A harder stage tomorrow, with more technical descents.
Going on Aru's final weekend, last year, I reckon Nibali will romp away with it.
Boogerd_Fan

Astana to do one over Chaves tomorrow and Nibs to go for it?

OMG Kruiswijk... http://youtu.be/HS80CmAyXeE
he clearly loses his line in middle of road, and nearly saves it before hitting the snowbank... then worse still - flips the bars and lands on his head. Ouch.
i'm so sorry for him.. but on flipside he's 1m05 back, is there still a chance? depending on how sore he feels in morning??

Zakarin. Crazy guy. Hope he recovers successfully - looked like he fell a long way from the road. The lack of footage, showed his mechanic pick up what was left of his bike. Oops.
Bartali

Back on the 172,5 cranks ... thank the cycling gods!!

NIBALI
Bartali

Slapshot 3 wrote:
So where are all the comments about attacking the race leader when.n he falls or has a mechanical?? Or does that only apply to when Contador does it??

To be fair, they were putting him in trouble in a race situation ... not like a crash in the peloton at all.

Rolling Eyes
Slapshot 3

Bartali wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
So where are all the comments about attacking the race leader when.n he falls or has a mechanical?? Or does that only apply to when Contador does it??

To be fair, they were putting him in trouble in a race situation ... not like a crash in the peloton at all.

Rolling Eyes


I'm not bothered just the double standards that irk it was a face situation with Contador Schleck and Vinokourov too. It's a race, you race and take every chance you get!!
Biosphere

Well if that imagined double standard irks, then I can't begin to imagine the burden you bear with respect to Contador's two Tour wins with Team Postal Wink
Boogerd_Fan

I agree - if it was purely a mechanical like untimely puncture then there is more call for rest of the race to wait for the bloke in pink jersey. The fact it was a result of a handling mistake, is part and parcel of the risks of racing down the descent. Sad but true Sad

I was hoping Kruiswijk has only minor injuries and will come out fighting - but reports on cycling weekly that he got lost after the finish, ended up on a dirt road trying to find his team hotel = the guy has completely blown mentally. There's no way back from there.

If he can consolidate his position, and recover mentally tonight.. it's a big ask... but at the same time, he's still on the Giro podium. He and the team would have grabbed that with both hands before the start in Holland.
Bartali

Scarponi was a class act today ... so pleased he bagged the cimma coppi!
Fontfroide

Just caught up, in a meeting all day without even a connection I watch surreptitiously.  

Must have been quite good to watch the whole thing, but even the last bits were pretty good.  Good old Giro.  Good old Nibali.  Good younger Chaves.  Even Valverde the old geezer did pretty well considering the altitude.  I guess every day can't be like this, but there IS tomorrow.

Shame about Kruisjwijk, but it does happen to the best of them.  Well maybe the second best of them.  Hope he finishes the race and comes back next year.

And who knows what the last day will bring.  Good old Giro!
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Scarponi was a class act today ... so pleased he bagged the cimma coppi!


The first two over the top read: Snow-Boots. Cool
HuwB

I'm afraid that Kruijswijk has been confirmed with a fractured rib.
Hard packed snow at that speed, would not feel much like snow.
Biosphere

I watched in real time from the Cima Coppi this evening. Knew the result but still fascinating. I've got to come down on the side of racing incident and on this one I go with pressure was being applied and there was a consequence. Quite different to suddenly attacking when you see a rival have a mechanical.

Desperately sorry for Kruijswijk nonetheless. I imagine he is physically wrecked though so the podium will be a challenge even without the mental issues he will be going through tonight. He will not sleep well.

Knowing the result before hand I did wonder what Astana might have gotten up to, but Nibali didn't look so turbo charged once I actually saw him. I think I would rather Chaves wins though.

Edit: Just seen about the broken rib. Yes it would have been ice as much as snow by now.

HuwB wrote:
I'm off to Kos around about stage finish time tomorrow........................


Buon viaggio e grazie mille for posting up all the stage details over the last few weeks Smile
Boogerd_Fan

Ufff so he probably won't start tomorrow Sad

I was expecting Movistar to team with Astana because they could still get Valverde on the podium if they put Kruiswijk in trouble. Maybe they don't have to.

Astana tactics? - isolate Chaves on the Bonestre, and go full gas from first ramp of Lombard - that first 5-600m at 10% is where the damage will be done!!
If all that fails.. last chance on the final pitch up to the sanctuary.

Kind of reminds me of Nibs' 2010 Vuelta win actually, where Nibs confirmed the jersey with a strong ride on Bola del Mundo (dropping JRod and Velits, while marking Mosquera).
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
I'm afraid that Kruijswijk has been confirmed with a fractured rib.
Hard packed snow at that speed, would not feel much like snow.


Desperately unlucky Sad
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Ufff so he probably won't start tomorrow Sad



Sounds that way:-
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...-crash-costs-him-the-pink-jersey/
gerry12ie

Well I managed to dodge the result today until the highlights, and I wish I hadn't bothered because I am pissed off.  Make no mistake, Kruiswijk was by far and away the best rider in the race and would have won comfortably but for that sickening little mistake.  I'm properly gutted for him.

I know they were not only racing, but on a long descent so there was nothing that the rest could do, but the whole race etiquette thing has been ignored for years.   It's as rare as hen's teeth when riders do actually ease up if the leader has a problem, so they should do us all a favour and stop paying lip service to it.  

We'll probably, in time, look back on a memorable Giro but now I'm just miserable that a rider that looked so comfortable in the lead can lose the race so near to the finish in such a shitty way  Sad
maffy

terrible shame for kruijswijk, but today almost looked like a three week race from 1986.
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Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
. . . but the whole race etiquette thing has been ignored for years.   It's as rare as hen's teeth when riders do actually ease up if the leader has a problem, so they should do us all a favour and stop paying lip service to it . . .


I think it does get observed at times - recollection is at the 2014 Tour the peloton waited on a Stage 4 crashing Froome even when he wasn't in yellow. And even if it never gets observed again, I think it's fair enough to call out the lack of class when bunch tempo riding turns into a full on race due to a slipped chain or puncture.

More generally I understand the frustration with the strongest rider (almost certainly) losing the overall like that. He will at least start today, but I expect he will be under pressure from the off as there basically isn't a flat stretch of road today.
Bartali

maffy wrote:
terrible shame for kruijswijk, but today almost looked like a three week race from 1986.
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...nigh-on three-thousand-guesses...


Yeah .... proper racing like we haven't seen in years.  I remember the old days where riders had good days and bad days and where the race lead could change at anytime.  

It is a shame for the dutch lad, but equally he has benefited from a Valverde struggling with altitude and a clearly under par Nibali (for whatever reasons) ... and the fall yesterday was more akin to a forced error in tennis than a mechanical. (Talking of mechanicals ... but for Nibali's mechanical in the ITT he would be within 20s of the maglia rosa if not closer).

As for Special K being the strongest rider that is undoubtedly true so far ... but well before his fall the commentators were saying he was 'struggling'.  I'm not sure I agree with that, but it is what they were saying.

If Chavez is to win this then I would like him to do 'something' rather than follow wheels which tbh he's done all through the race. (Unlike Special K, Piti and Nibs who have all raced like champions IMO) He's a good lad but lets see something worthy of a Giro winner.

Looking forward to the race ... whoever wins, I think it has been one of the best races for years.  As daffy say's ... back to the 80s.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
I think it does get observed at times - recollection is at the 2014 Tour the peloton waited on a Stage 4 crashing Froome even when he wasn't in yellow. And even if it never gets observed again, I think it's fair enough to call out the lack of class when bunch tempo riding turns into a full on race due to a slipped chain or puncture.


Well it wasn't observed when Nibs had the maglia rosa in 2010 and Evans rode off with Vino.  Nor when he got held up by the crash in Spain last year or had a puncture before Alpe d'Huez in the Tour (though not in race leadership).  I think we can all find situations where our 'favourites' have lost out, but as far as I am concerned, the etiquette was never, and has never, been applied to situations like yesterday.
Boogerd_Fan

Excellent - eurosport already going live.
Bartali

I'm going out so the recorder is on.  Have fun fellas ...
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Excellent - eurosport already going live.


Squeezing in an hour before they cut over to tennis for the afternoon Wink

Nieve started stretching it out pretty much from the off.
Bartali

Short stage .... I'll go out later.  I'd rather miss Sheffield Wednesday than this Smile
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:

If Chavez is to win this then I would like him to do 'something' rather than follow wheels which tbh he's done all through the race. (Unlike Special K, Piti and Nibs who have all raced like champions IMO) He's a good lad but lets see something worthy of a Giro winner.


Not sure if it counts, but he did win his stage.  It did have lots of climbing.  And even an uphill finish.  He is just coming into his bet years now, although he was pretty good before.  I reckon he was going for a podium, got lucky with Nibali's form, Kruisjwijk's crash and suddenly he might win.  I suppose he has ridden a slightly cautious race.  And it would be nice to have him make some serious attacks, although all he really has to do is follow Nibali
gerry12ie

Is Ulissi auditioning for the annual Sky climbing super-dom first draft? Wink
HuwB

Tour of Belgium news.
Apparently the stage has been cancelled.
Word is that it's 2 motos have gone into the peloton.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Tour of Belgium news.
Apparently the stage has been cancelled.
Word is that it's 2 motos have gone into the peloton.
Shocked  Shocked
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Not sure if it counts, but he did win his stage.  It did have lots of climbing.  And even an uphill finish ....
I do't mean to be unduly harsh ... he seems a likeable chap.  But the stage he won was brought alive by Nibs and Special K ... he largely followed the attacks.  He did his fair share of work with K when he won his stage I would just prefer him to be the guy that attacks rather than the guy that follows.  I won't criticise him today ... he should rightly just mark the moves when they come.
HuwB

11 riders air ambulanced to hospital, 19 riders involved.

Slowest schedule today. They must know that I'm leaving around 4pm. Embarassed
Bartali

Shocked  Shocked That's frightening.  Surely the UCI need to take some meaningful action??
Bartali

According to Sporza. 2 motorbikes wanted to overtake the peloton on a bicycle path. At the end of the path one of them stopped in the grass and the other one crashed into him and both motorbikes fell in the peloton.

Why this constant need to pass the peloton??
gerry12ie

Lotto's Broeckx in a coma Sad

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/952/Wiel...or-schedelbreuk-bij-Broeckx.dhtml

Appears two motorbikes attempted to pass the bunch and (possibly) crashed in to each other and then the bunch.  Something must be done urgently - this is happening far too often, and with serious outcomes
Boogerd_Fan

On the valley road and Movistar really starting to thin this out now. The Bonette looks fantastic, one to add to the bucket list
kathy

Nieve riding well through the nieve!
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
On the valley road and Movistar really starting to thin this out now. The Bonette looks fantastic, one to add to the bucket list
It's a great climb from both sides Boogie. One of the few climbs I'm unbeaten on Smile

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