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Giro 2016:-Ancora più Secondi Piatti:-May 21st-25th.

Saturday May 21: stage 14 – Alpago to Corvara, 210km: The Dolomite bite.

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Over the last 150 km of this queen stage across the Dolomites, 6 passes will be climbed, for a total rise and drop of 4,700 m (out of 5,400). The Passo Pordoi, followed by Passo Sella and Passo Gardena (with not even a single flat metre in between), and heads for the first pass over the finish line in Corvara (intermediate sprint). The road then climbs up Passo Campolongo, Passo Giau (the harshest climb of the stage, with an average 9% gradients, and peaks of more than 10-12% over the first kilometres) and Passo Valparola, which leads to the final 5 km.  The route clears Muro del Gatto (360 m, with gradients ranging from 13 to 19%), and then drops down into the trunk road leading to Corvara, still climbing slightly (average slope: 2-3%). The last bend is 150 m from the finish line.  


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Sunday May 22nd: stage 15: Castelrotto/Kastelruth Alpe di Siusi/Seiseralm (ITT)

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The stage is an uphill individual time trial. After a first false-flat drag (1,800 m), the route climbs steadily over the next 9 km, with an average 8.3% gradient. The road is wide and well paved. Straight stretches alternate with hairpins having a high bend radius. Split time is taken at km 4.4. The final kilometres run entirely uphill, with constant slopes (avg. gradient: 8.0%, max. gradient: 11%), and on wide, well-paved roads. The route takes in a series of hairpins in the stage finale. The finish line lies at the end of a 180-m long and 6-m wide asphalt home straight.


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Tuesday May 24th stage 16  Bressanone/Brixen > Andalo 132km

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The stage is short, yet it features long climbs and descents. Over the first 40 km, the route runs initially downhill (although the road is deceptively flat) until past Bolzano (intermediate sprint). Here, after clearing the Mendel Pass climb, the road takes a long, undulating descent leading to the foot of the final ascent. The climb is divided in two parts, the first one leading to Fai della Paganella (categorised climb), and the second one running all the way up to the finish. 200 metres before the summit, in the urban area of Fai della Paganella, the climb gradient peaks as high as 15%. The final 10 km are clearly divided into two halves: first a fast-running descent (4 km) on wide roads with sharp downhill gradients, then a mild climb (6 km), growing steeper, up to 2 km from the finish.


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Wednesday May 25th stage 17 Molveno > Cassano d’Adda 196km

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The first half of the stage is wavy, while the second half is perfectly flat. The route rolls along moderate undulations all the way up to km 120 (Brescia), where the road eventually levels out.


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HuwB

Tomorrow's final kms:-

Bartali

That's a little sting in the tail ...
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
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I would not be surprised to see the GC men waiting until that little ramp at 5km to go point Rolling Eyes

Lovely weather here today so presumably even nicer further south.
Biosphere

A break the size of a small country has been allowed to go up the road

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Axel Domont, Hugo Houle (Ag2r La Mondiale), Andrey Zeits (Astana), Nicola Boem, Francesco Manuel Bongiorno, Sonny Colbrelli (Bardiani - CSF), Darwin Atapuma (BMC Racing), Moreno Moser, Nathan Brown (Cannondale), Kanstantsin Siutsou (Dimension Data), David De La Cruz, Matteo Trentin (Etixx-QuickStep), Sergey Firsanov (Gazprom-RusVelo), Stefan Denifl (IAM Cycling), Diego Ulissi, Valerio Conti, Sacha Modolo, Manuele Mori (Lampre-Merida), Tim Wellens, Pim Ligthart, Maxime Monfort (Lot Soudal), Carlos Betancu, José Herrada (Movistar), Damiano Cunego, Giacomo Berlato (NIPPO-Vini Fantini), Ruben Plaza (Orica GreenEDGE), Georg Preidler (Giant-Alpecin), Egor Silin, Rein Taaramae (Katusha), Twan Castelijns, Primoz Roglic (Lotto NL-Jumbo), Christian Knees, Nicolas Roche (Sky), Laurent Didier (Trek-Segafredo), Matteo Busato, Daniel Martinez (Wilier-Southeast).
HuwB

Break has 4'-20"

RAI are so excited to finally have a big mountain stage that they can't stop talking about it. Embarassed
Biosphere

Just watching yesterday's highlights.  Nibali's sprint against Valverde was a decent effort Smile

RAI have reverted to talking about Pantani!
gerry12ie

Visconti has been put on minding duty today, so the KOM might easily go Cunego's way now...
gerry12ie

I usually like to have a small bet on one or two of the main break, once it has formed, on days like today.  Today's mug @ 33/1 is Señor Ruben Plaza - so I might get a bit of a run for my couple of euros...
HuwB

The break has pulled itself to pieces.
Clearly, Ulissi is all about getting ahead with half his team, not contesting, eventually dropping back the the bunch and hanging on for the least time loss.
Similar tactic as Movistar of old.

Ruben Plaza now off on one of his epic, 100km solos to victory.
The Dollies are looking dead cute in the sunshine.
Boogerd_Fan

Hesjedal abandoned. Just when reaching
Third week territory. To be fair last year was a bit overhyped - he was getting in breaks then limiting losses similar to Ulissi 2016
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Hesjedal abandoned. Just when reaching
Third week territory. To be fair last year was a bit overhyped - he was getting in breaks then limiting losses similar to Ulissi 2016


Yes.
Apparently he heard that I had fp'd him for today. Embarassed

Apart from the fact that I am usually last and fighting over the scraps, I couldn't call a fp if I was first and my life depended upon it.
In the grip of a two year KOD cycle.
It's killing every fantasy thing I enter.
Boogerd_Fan

Movistar did all that work, then Astana just takeover on Giau. Nice.
gerry12ie

I strongly thought of Suitsov for the FP today, but obviously not strongly enough.  I sense some significant changes coming today, but I'm bound to be disappointed.  

I cashed out on Plaza a few minutes ago... Wink
Boogerd_Fan

Good call on Plaza...he just died when they reached him

12 guys left... bit odd for Fuglsang to leave 4th wheel (behind Nibs) and drop back through the group.. but it's done for Jungels and a few others.

Zakarin, Chaves & Amador riding dangerously far back behind the front - although down to so few riders now, not as bad as it was a few mins ago, when there was a good 25-30m off the Astana train.
Boogerd_Fan

Amador wobbling... and pop!!

who is the 2nd cannondale rider? is it Formolo?

/edit - ah it looks like Dombrowski when he stood up
Slapshot 3

You have to love the Giau it is just a fantastic climb to watch
Nolte

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Amador wobbling... and pop!!

who is the 2nd cannondale rider? is it Formolo?


I thought formolo had been dropped. They've said Joe dumbrowski (I am sorry for the atrocious spelling)

I had thought about atapuma today too but went for de marchi instead
gerry12ie

Amador is one hell of a descender in fairness...
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Amador is one hell of a descender in fairness...


Gets back, just in time to get dropped again.
Scarponi riding like it's 2006 rather than 2016.
gerry12ie

HuwB wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Amador is one hell of a descender in fairness...


Gets back, just in time to get dropped again.Scarponi riding like it's 2006 rather than 2016.


Just in time to bring a bottle up to his leader... Wink
gerry12ie

Valverde clearly hanging back for the Maglia Rosa, to bring him up to the attack Wink  Wink
HuwB

Nibali blows up, leaving Chaves and Kruisjwijk to battle it out.
Fontfroide

A rather fun to watch last climb.  Not famous, but still, when the lads make the race, they make the race.
gerry12ie

The Eagle of Eindhoven® and Chaves looking real strong here
Fontfroide

Yeah, be a edge of seat job watching to see if Nibali can descend well enough to catch them before the end.  Nibali can descend as we know.
Nolte

They are looking very strong. 23 seconds on nibali
Fontfroide

Fontfroide wrote:
Yeah, be a edge of seat job watching to see if Nibali can descend well enough to catch them before the end.  Nibali can descend as we know.


Not this descent, too easy.   Oh well.
Nolte

Gap holding at 26 seconds but in 13% final 3km, if you are hurting, it will exacerbate the pain
gerry12ie

So Movistar are out, and it's not in Piti's DNA to go on an exploit to make any time up.  He will consolidate a podium place if he can, rather than go for glory.  Nibs might have sparked the move that took Movistar out, but he gave up them 35" to first and second just a little bit too easy I thought...
HuwB

Of course, who had Chaves fp'd the last 2 mountain stages and was going to again today, but this time, he'd already been pinched? Embarassed
Kuisjwijk into pink by 41 seconds over Nibali.
Eurosport completely screw up the finish in their desperation to get to Ashley and his chat show.
TFF Sporza.



Pozzovio won the all important sprint for 10th.
I was wondering why he was sat on and not contributing when Valverde was trying to limit loses.  Rolling Eyes
Fontfroide

Nibali did quite well today, considering he was alone against two guys working very hard in front of him.  Looks like we still have no idea who will win. So that makes me happy.  Although I do have a soft spot for Vincenzo.  Kruijswik certainly likes the Giro.  And Chaves likes to smile.  

Although the TT is short, it could see some changes in the GC.  So bring it on.
Boogerd_Fan

Pozzovivo did do a turn... For about 30 seconds Smile
Boogerd_Fan

Pozzovivo did do a turn... For about 30 seconds Smile
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
 And Chaves likes to smile.  


It is the thing I like about him the most Smile

If we flip the result around, I'd have fled first instead of last

Does this giro seem like their has been more abandonments for stomach trouble
Boogerd_Fan

Still not a bad day for Nibali... the noisiest neighbours are put to rest in that Movistar are now way out of it... Chaves and Kruiswijk are strong, but a bit inexperienced when carrying jersey leadership as well as their ambitions for a high GC...

I still have a feeling he's only on 90%... and we'll see the 100% on next week's finale.
Nolte

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Still not a bad day for Nibali... the noisiest neighbours are put to rest in that Movistar are now way out of it... Chaves and Kruiswijk are strong, but a bit inexperienced when carrying jersey leadership as well as their ambitions for a high GC...

I still have a feeling he's only on 90%... and we'll see the 100% on next week's finale.


Another matter is about being able to control the race

For chaves, orica have plaza, txurruka and maybe howson while for krujswijk, there is battaglin.

Both do have good roleurs and flat men but in the mountains, they look a wee bit weak, able for astana to exploit
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Still not a bad day for Nibali... the noisiest neighbours are put to rest in that Movistar are now way out of it... Chaves and Kruiswijk are strong, but a bit inexperienced when carrying jersey leadership as well as their ambitions for a high GC...

I still have a feeling he's only on 90%... and we'll see the 100% on next week's finale.
I hope so Smile  Even on his own he pulled put the gap to Valverde and the others.
Boogerd_Fan

Aha some tennis starts today... There goes the ES coverage
ventoux

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Aha some tennis starts today... There goes the ES coverage


well I just updated my IoS on my iPad, and now the app doesn't work at all....
Rolling Eyes
Biosphere

Some high performing Russians in the ITT at the moment!
Boogerd_Fan

Zakarin flying today
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
Some high performing Russians in the ITT at the moment!


The memo is stuck in the spam folder...
Boogerd_Fan

Nibali's skinsuit is so tight his radio looks like a brick!
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Nibali's skinsuit is so tight his radio looks like a brick!


That's the battery for his electromagnetic wheels Wink
Biosphere

Zakarin overcooked his start. Given the time Kruijswijk is putting into Nibali at the moment, be interesting to see if he can sustain it.
Boogerd_Fan

Kruiswijk 1min up at 4,8km.... Just wow!! Can Lotto Jumbo really have such a good GC i cant believe it
Biosphere

Nibali taking back some time now.
Biosphere

Mechanical disaster for Nibali. Dropped chain, derailleur just broke off.
Bartali

Oh well .... that's it for another year Sad
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Oh well .... that's it for another year Sad


He could get drawn back into a fight with Valverde to defend 3rd, and he's nearly 3 minutes off the lead now. Crap day for him.
Bartali

Probably only lost 15-20 seconds with the mechanical ... so basically he dug far too deep yesterday.
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Probably only lost 15-20 seconds with the mechanical ... so basically he dug far too deep yesterday.


Yesterday, he still lost time to Kruijswijk and Chaves though. As he did today. With respect to them (and a lot is due),  I don't think would happen to him if he was in his GC winning form of past. I think he's just not 100% at the moment. Despite yesterday, I would still be worried about Valverde too.
Boogerd_Fan

I'm still expecting him to go better next week - but it might be for nothing if already 3 mins behind.

Another theory would be attempting to win the Giro on 85-90% top form, and still save something for joining at the Tour ?

15-20s for the mechcanical.. altho how much momentum was taken from his final 2-3km because of using spare bike? There were a few enthusiastic fans out there today, who seemed to get particularly close to Nibali vs. some other riders. Not sure how much this would disrupt rhythm, but if you're on the edge of what's possible and some clown is running beside you - able to keep up.. it must be some sort of distraction.

Form wise, Kruiswijk proved today that he is the strongest GC rider at this moment. Will he keep it going another few days? That's the question - because if he cracks big time, Nibs (Valv, Majka) are not that far from Chaves for it to still be all to play for.
gerry12ie

Tempting to think The Eagle of Eindhoven® has flown, but Chaves might be better able to follow Nibali's attacks in the last few days than SK.  Valverde is back in the game, but will he attack?  I think we all know the answer to that one...
gerry12ie

Friday's GC




Today's GC




Quite a dramatic turnaround.

Nibali and Valverde are still third and fourth... Wink
Slapshot 3

SK was impressive to watch today, almost metronomic. Are we seeing the beginning of a change of the guard in GC racing??
HuwB

Just caught up.
I took note of his impressive form in the Tour de Yorkshire, then ignored it.
He may look like a pink coat hanger, but Kruisjwijk is now firmly in charge.
He will be faced with a two pronged attack from the race's two strongest and savviest teams.
It's a pity that the final week stage profile don't offer up great ambush territory.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:

He may look like a pink coat hanger, but Kruisjwijk is now firmly in charge.
Very impressive today ... he didn't rock an inch from bottom to top. looked like he wasn't even trying ...
mazda

For me that was two days of GT racing that we love to see.

Credit to Nibali for kicking it all off.
He must have felt good at the point he attacked, but Kruijswijk went with him so easily, and then disposed of him a little while later.

One wonders at what point anyone else would have attacked if Nibali hadn't ?
If (a big if) that was AV only bad day then he did everyone a favour by distancing the Movistar riders.

Odd that Astana often end up with one of the indians in better form than the chief. Scarponi posted a great time, seemingly without trying. Wonder where he could have been if he had a teammate towing him up the mountains.

With hindsight, the reporting of the "on the road" gap between SK and VN, while looking extraordinary, did flatter SK a little.
He put 23 seconds into Valverde, and 40 into Chaves (who would probably have preferred slightly steeper gradients) which is the kind of gaps you might have expected.

edit - wasn't Chaves 34 seconds down at the first check (4.4 km).
SlowRower

HuwB wrote:
I took note of his impressive form in the Tour de Yorkshire, then ignored it.


Always reet dodgy to ignore owt about Yorkshire, lad.
Bartali

mazda wrote:
With hindsight, the reporting of the "on the road" gap between SK and VN, while looking extraordinary, did flatter SK a little.
He put 23 seconds into Valverde, and 40 into Chaves (who would probably have preferred slightly steeper gradients) which is the kind of gaps you might have expected.
Agreed ... I think SK is riding very well, but nothing 'extraordinary'!  Rather it was a total capitulation by Nibali who is clearly struggling to capture the form of 2013/14.  Maybe he has timed his peak poorly ... or may be he's just a bit past his best. Sad
gerry12ie

Well the Clinic (as yet) haven't opened a 'Steven Kruiswijk - what do we know about him thread' - so I think it can be put down to Nibali and Valverde being poor rather than SK being extraterrestrial,  and in fairness Chaves matched him on the road and was pretty close in the TT.

I wonder will the Lotto Jumbo and Orica managers share a nice Chianti over lunch today?  They will have their work cut out in the next few days...
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
mazda wrote:
With hindsight, the reporting of the "on the road" gap between SK and VN, while looking extraordinary, did flatter SK a little.
He put 23 seconds into Valverde, and 40 into Chaves (who would probably have preferred slightly steeper gradients) which is the kind of gaps you might have expected.
Agreed ... I think SK is riding very well, but nothing 'extraordinary'!  Rather it was a total capitulation by Nibali who is clearly struggling to capture the form of 2013/14.  Maybe he has timed his peak poorly ... or may be he's just a bit past his best. Sad


I do think he has not yet reached his peak.
He is still under 3 minutes down so not yet out of it but both kruswijk and Chavez are looking very good so far.
Slapshot 3

Found this piece in the I today (overly leftie for me but it has a brill crossword!!)

"Tale of the unexpected as mountian Kruijs shows true beauty of the Giro.

Esteban Chaves and Steven Kruijswijk turned a beautiful stage of the Giro d'Italia into something beautifully unexpected on Saturday. Theraces Queen Stage, 210Km stage through the Dolomites was expected to come down to a battle between Vincenzo Nibali and the ageless (yeah right) Alejandro Valverde. Instead the Dutchman and the Colombian left both behind and highlighted why the Giro will always be the cycling connoisseur's race of choice. The Tour de France does pomp and ceremony, the Giro has the more incredible firewiork displays"

Pretty bang on if you ask me....
Very Happy  Very Happy
mazda

Valverde says todays climbs are harder than they look (are categorised) on paper.
Reckons that Nibali and Zakarin are the ones likely to cause the most trouble (my paraphrasing).
mazda

Rattling along - over 49 kph for first 55 km.
Any and all breakaways have been reabsorbed.

On the first climb now.
Igor Anton trying to get away.
mazda

Well that didn't last long.
Zakarin has attacked and sparked all sorts of fireworks.
Boogerd_Fan

If Kruiswijk wins the Giro, he can only have deserved it.

Wow... it's going right off!! As only the Giro knows how!
Boogerd_Fan

Zakarin & Valverde sit up... didn't they get the memo??
mazda

Zakarin back now.
Nibali with a mechanical.
mazda

Kangert, Lopez and Ulissi ?
mazda

Uran has attacked, taking SK and VN with him.

edit - and AV.

Jungels come past them all.
mazda

Kangert, Lopez, Ulissi, Jungels and Firsanov.
Still plenty of others trying to get permission to go join them.
Boogerd_Fan

Chaves has missed this one.. Zakarin & Kruiswijk followed by Valverde & Nibali
mazda

Jungels / Lopez driving things along - 30 seconds.

Nearly at the top.
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Chaves has missed this one.. Zakarin & Kruiswijk followed by Valverde & Nibali


Yes, SK went with Zakarin and the others followed.

Nibs attaking now !
Boogerd_Fan

The shark smells blood and goes

/edit - closed down again
mazda

AV gets back up to VN.
SK and IZ not far behind.

Dombrowski now with leaders - 20 seconds to Nibali.
mazda

They have to keep SK isolated now.
But an awful long way to go to the next big climb.

At what point do Astana use Kangert ?
mazda

Chaves trying to get back.
No idea where Majka is.
Boogerd_Fan

Kangert being used now, but i think in vain... Chaves group is already starting to eat into that 30s..
mazda

Kangert using the Fabian Cancellara "eating a gel / someone else can do the work" technique.
Valverde not happy.

Jungels on his own.
Ulissi can't keep up with him.
Boogerd_Fan

The gaps growing!! some status quo formed - Valv, Nibs, Kangert, Kruis all working on front...

Chaves group is not much bigger, only 1 domestik (Plaza?) lending support.
mazda

Chaves group is bigger, but they are all leaning on the lone Orica helper.
As you say, front group co-operating !
mazda

Messing about again now.
I'm off for 30 mins or so.
Should be at the next climb when I get back.
Boogerd_Fan

Orica should be super-pissed at Tinkoff.. they have no representation in the front group, but are quite content to let Orica do all the work in the chase.
Canondale started to contribute now Dombrowski was dropped from the lead group.
mazda

Was Dombrowski ordered to go back ?
mazda

Chaves closing the gap as soon as they hit the slopes.
Dragging all the other GC "hopefuls" with him (except maybe Amador).
mazda

It's Zakarin and Kruilswijk again.
No doubt the former responding to the arrival of Chaves and Majka.
mazda

Front back together.
Chaves group no longer gaining - Chaves, Majka and Amador (although I've not seen him).
mazda

Valverde has a dig.
mazda

IZ and SK go with him.
Nibali trying to work his way back on, has Firsanov (4th in ITT ?) to help.
Boogerd_Fan

mazda wrote:
Was Dombrowski ordered to go back ?


It looked that way, as he was pissed and slamming the bars.

Doesn't make sense, cos Uran was immediately toast when Chaves took up the chase on the climb.
mazda

Looks bad.
Gap jumps to 10 sec after almost looking like it was closing.
Jungels and Lopez have caught him now.
mazda

Actually Jungels catching is good.
A nice diesel to sit behind.

Chaves also catching. Amador nowhere to be seen.

Gap nearly 20 secs.
Boogerd_Fan

Conclusion: Nibali just doesn't have it this year.

Chaves back to him... and Zakarin dragging Valverde closer to podium, with Kruiswijk happy to follow.
mazda

Kruijswijk not helping the other two.
Considering that 2nd and 3rd in GC are dropped you might have thought he would.
Boogerd_Fan

mazda wrote:
Kruijswijk not helping the other two.
Considering that 2nd and 3rd in GC are dropped you might have thought he would.


He's started now - the gap immediately grows by 10s

ahh Nibali responds - takesover from Jungels and its coming back down
gerry12ie

Cheers lads - in work, so indebted for the updates

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