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HuwB

Giro 2015:-I Primi Piatti Stages: May 13th-17th

As the race settles into the daily routine, the first week's stages continue to deliver very varied parcour.
Next up, the first MTF. The last winner at Abertone being Francesco Casagrande, in 2000. It was pretty much the defining stage of that race, but for the final ITT to Sestrieres, but that year, it was preceded by the criminally hard climb of San Pellegrino in Alpe.

A nice piece on the Abertone finish, here:
http://inrng.com/2015/01/roads-to-ride-abetone/

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HuwB

This Giro continues to be blessed with beautiful weather:
HuwB

A shame that we don't get all of today's stage because it goes right through my old stomping ground. We used to do all our shopping in Aulla and had a house in the hills just outside Fivizzano. Rometta was the local train station.
However, the route is once again selected for it's scenery, traveling between the mountain ranges of the Apennines and Apuan Alpes, through an area locally known as the Garfagnana.







Biosphere

Looks great.

I would say stage 3 was my stomping ground, but I would be done under the 'Trades Description Act'. More of a square pedalling ground really Wink
HuwB

Stage turning to be the fairly typical calm after the storm.
No real attempt to reel in the break, but it's still a pretty quick stage, schedule wise.
Bartali

Hoping there will be a 'race within the race' for the GC guys.  I get to watch today
Bartali

What is Flecha wearing?  Blue and white 80s style jersey with a bright orange poc helmet and green frame specs?  Not exactly colour coordinated Wink
Bartali

Time gap tumbling now ...
Bartali

... and that's why the Giro is so good!
HuwB

Whatever Aru had, I need a dose of it. Rolling Eyes
It's like Astana know they've dodged the bullet and said wtf.

I know there's a long, long way to go, but that's what worries me.
Landa took a huge bite out of the chasers, who were working so hard.
If Porte has his normal off day, something Bertie isn't totally unfamiliar with, the race could become a turquoise walkover.
Bartali

I hear you Huw ... but is it so different than what we've seen from sky over the last 2-3 years?  I admit I don't like seeing 'trains' like we see here, but Tinkoff looked vey similar today.  The big surprise maybe is that Sky are not riding to their usual model?

On the plus side, two exciting stages where the 'little man' ends up staying away.  Another gutsy performance.
Fontfroide

I enjoyed that.  The young fellow winning.  The break, staying away with even good ole Sylvain getting a little glory.  Almost like Alberto said, "a bit steeper here, let's see who has got what".  And we found out that at this point, the fourth man has not got it.  Chaves has ideas, but can't quite pull it off.  And the countryside is a pretty decent setting for some very fine racing.  What more?  We are due a bit of a rest now before it hots up again.  I don't like it when there is too much excitement for too many days in a row.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
 I admit I don't like seeing 'trains' like we see here, but Tinkoff looked vey similar today.


I agree.  Trains are not very scenic.  I prefer it when there are about twenty guys after a few k of the climb.  Maybe two at most from any team, mostly the leaders, mostly the serious climbers. Then the dramatic tragedy as one after another, the weaker riders get dropped.  Maybe one or two make dramatic comebacks and catch the lead group again.  Then five k from the end, 6-8 guys who start doing serious attacks.  That keeps me happy for a long time.

Trains belong on tracks.  

On the other hand, I rather like the trains for sprinters, interspersed with the guys going on their own, switching back and forth from one wheel to another.
Bartali

Well said FF.  Sounds perfect to me Smile
Mrs John Murphy

I don't know about other people but I couldn't get any live streaming coverage today which was annoying. None of the links on Steephill worked Sad
HuwB

I suspect that by the end of the weekend, the three little Indians will be down to two.
Given there are only two climbs in this Giro where trains cannot travel, I'd expect the turquoise one to run daily, during the later stages of this campaign.

Bart: The obvious difference being these domestiques aren't sitting up or peeling off after doing their turn.

I'd kind of expected Aru to ride as he did in his two GTs of last year, especially given his alleged illness and few racing days.
By this I mean get progressively stronger. (He was the strongest contender in both third weeks, last year)
I did not expect him to start the race in this shape, given he was ill during Trentino and still supposedly unable to ride Romandie.
HuwB

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
I don't know about other people but I couldn't get any live streaming coverage today which was annoying. None of the links on Steephill worked Sad


Really? If you'd only said.

I usually look here first if somebody asks for a feed:

https://www.procyclinglive.com/livestream/

If it says it isn't geo'd they usually all work and are numerous.
They even had a working Rai Sport 1 feed today....with Turkish over-dubbing.
Mrs John Murphy

HuwB wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
I don't know about other people but I couldn't get any live streaming coverage today which was annoying. None of the links on Steephill worked Sad


Really? If you'd only said.

I usually look here first if somebody asks for a feed:

https://www.procyclinglive.com/livestream/

If it says it isn't geo'd they usually all work and are numerous.
They even had a working Rai Sport 1 feed today....with Turkish over-dubbing.


Thanks.
Bartali

Fair points Huw.  As you know I don't possess rosy coloured glasses but I'm not sure the comparison with the Sky train is that far of the mark.

Anyway ... enough of trains.  You think we will lose one of the three indians at the weekend?  I hope not.  It's shaping up to be a good tussle so far.  I can see any of the three having a poor(er) day.  As I remember, Aru struggled to contain the top two in the third week last year (so not always the strongest in wk 3), Porte has blown up in the past and Bertie is not as consistent as he used to be.  All to play for IMO
maffy

HuwB wrote:
The obvious difference being these domestiques aren't sitting up or peeling off after doing their turn.


did carrot-landa used to churn huge gears on the drops? only one to bridge the gap... can't check the archive at the moment... tactical setup reminded of the vuelta shallow slogs with froome pacing wiggins in 11 but still-fairly-young-even-now-landa didn't ride that. it did look odd.

nice pics, btw.
Boogerd_Fan

Aru's current form could be linked to a progression trend as he is getting older / more endurance. I know i'm clutching at straws here - but not too much of a shock to see him have form, in the race he was aiming to have form in. Not many racing days, but maybe he is therefore fresh(er than some).

Compare that with Uran - who looked on track all the way through the spring, but catching illness now, obviously blew his chances.

Biggest Astana surprise for me is Landa & maybe more so Cataldo - who was quite good at doing his own thing @ SKY, but was pretty useless when it came to train riding.. now all of a sudden he's a beast in the sky blue train.

The Finestre will sort it out anyway... Wink
Fontfroide

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
I don't know about other people but I couldn't get any live streaming coverage today which was annoying. None of the links on Steephill worked Sad


I use Steephill, and have found an English language thread each day.  If you mention it, someone will give you a feed that works for them.  On my machine, I usually use the second or third English feed Steephill offers.  It works.  but then I have a Mac in a godforsaken French place.  Who knows where you might be?  But seems like it should work.

Just shout out.
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Aru's current form could be linked to a progression trend as he is getting older / more endurance. I know i'm clutching at straws here - but not too much of a shock to see him have form, in the race he was aiming to have form in. Not many racing days, but maybe he is therefore fresh(er than some).

Compare that with Uran - who looked on track all the way through the spring, but catching illness now, obviously blew his chances.

Biggest Astana surprise for me is Landa & maybe more so Cataldo - who was quite good at doing his own thing @ SKY, but was pretty useless when it came to train riding.. now all of a sudden he's a beast in the sky blue train.

The Finestre will sort it out anyway... Wink


 15 competitive days and was allegedly too ill to race Trentino and insufficiently recovered to ride Romandie. Weight loss from illness should leave anyone weak, which in turn should effect the ability to train etc.
This is the real eyebrow raiser for me.

In both last year's GTs, he started steadily and gradually got stronger.
I expected something similar, whereby he had to ride the first half of this Giro conservatively and limit loses, finding his racing legs as the race progressed.
Instead, he's started like a greyhound out of the trap.

Landa was a half decent climber, who got the odd podium from fashioning himself as a breakaway chancer. No pro win at EE.
After a season with Astana, he's gone straight through winning from the break to looking like Aru 2014.

As for Cataldo, he's said publicly the Sky way of doing things didn't suit him....


Anyhow, it is what it is.
gerry12ie

Aye, Cataldo sprinting clear of the group behind looked ominous to me - they have the climbing strength in depth for sure.  Porte looked easy enough mind, although why Deignan is in California and not Italy I don't really know.  Can Saxo and Astana keep up the pissing competition for two more weeks?
mazda

Odd.
I could watch RAI Uno (at work) on Tuesday.
Now seems to be blocked.

Echelons today in the last 20km.
Anyone significant left behind ?
Fontfroide

Watching this today, MJM.  No responsibility for commentators.

http://www.sportingvideo.tv/20150...b96f6a48755.75851252-1066488.html
Biosphere

Think it's Daniele Colli that fell badly? He was bouncing around a bit in the lead up - trying to squeeze in where there weren't gaps?
mazda

Makes sense. He was 9th in Stage 2, so likely would have been looking to get a good run to the line.
edit - rumour of a person with camera having caused the incident
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Think it's Daniele Colli that fell badly? He was bouncing around a bit in the lead up - trying to squeeze in where there weren't gaps?


Yes. Hit a camera carrying a whopping lens. Arm either broken or knocked straight out at the elbow joint.

3 hours of tranquilo, followed by the compulsory sprint crash involving one or more of the contenders.
Bertie with a damaged arm as well.....
Fontfroide

Yep, could not even put on the pink jersey.  Can't possibly be good news.  Neither for him or for us spectators.  I hate crashes.  If it was caused in any way by a dickhead with a big lens.  Do they not get it?  Nope they don't.  I guess like people who talk on phones while driving and just have no idea.
mazda

How about a row of barriers and then have the spectators further away behind a second row ? Along the final straight at any rate.
That allows you to insert some marshalls into the gap as well to spot any flag wavers or people with selfie sticks.
People are just not aware of how fast and how close the riders get.
HuwB

The Tinkoff party line is that he has hurt his shoulder and knee. Didn't say whether it was the same knee as the last time.

Hofland gave Bardiani's Ruffoni a smack on the head after the finish.
He reckons he was all over the place and cause Colli into that tight spot.

Watching Prosso now and Bertie's getting into the car to go get checked.
Arm in damaged CB position.
HuwB

Contador confirmed with a dislocated shoulder.
He's going to suck it and see................for 264kms tomorrow.
HuwB



gerry12ie

Thanks for the updates Huw.  It is incredible that a race can be potentially ruined by a fucking idiot - and it happens over and over.  What's even worse is that a career could be gone in a flash because of rank stupidity Twisted Evil
HuwB

I'm working overtime, here. The medical bulletin:

Quote:
Rider no. 201 Alberto CONTADOR VELASCO (TCS) underwent x-ray and CAT scans of the left shoulder that was injured during the crash. Clinical examination revealed a slight instability of the left shoulder joint, as compared to the right one. The rider experienced slight pain.

Rider no. 124 Daniele COLLI (NIP) underwent x-ray examinations that confirmed a compound fracture of the left humerus, while CAT scans ruled out further fractures or damage to the internal organs of the chest and abdomen.


So, I guess that means Contador will be OK to continue.
In a 3 horse race, that would be great news.
mazda

Do you think the riders will protest tomorrow ?
It's a long day - at least 6 hours.
People are bound to want to attack.
Bartali

Thanks Huw ... only just catching up.

Protest against what?  Not sure what you can do ... hardly the organisers fault.  To quote Nibs, "the mother of the imbecile is always pregnant" Personally, I think the police should arrest these idiots ... there must be some law against knocking cyclists down.  Leaning over the barrier is a deliberate act ...GBH.  Throw the book at them.
Biosphere

Contador to start

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...med-to-start-giro-ditalia-stage-7

I only briefly saw the replays yesterday, so I may well be wrong, but the person with the camera did not appear to be leaning out anymore than anyone else along the barrier. Everybody leans out at these things. From the limited replay I saw, I would say the problem had an element of hitting something like a 3kg lens/SLR combo compared to a flag, selfie stick, PMU hand and so on.
Mrs John Murphy

It wasn't quite Jalabert hitting a policeman taking a photo.
Nolte

sleepy time on the giro today. 236km into a head wind
mazda

Good sprint and a good win for Ulissi.
Fontfroide

Good last five minutes, but as far as races go, not much.  Nice countryside though.  Always the saving grace of France and Italy.  Lovely places to be.

So Contador can ride!  Guess the test will be tomorrow.  If any of you have ever had a dislocated shoulder, maybe you could share your experience so I can get a rough idea how much pain there might have been.

Tomorrow should be interesting.  That's a British understatement Wink
Boogerd_Fan

Nice sprint from Ulissi, very encouraging to see how emotional he was at the line too... mark of innocence?
HuwB

Awful stage.
Ulissi had just enough puff to make it. Razz
Bartali

Smile Nice one Huw!
Fontfroide

I like how the RAi feed I can watch has a very good picture, but also trivial information on the riders.  Pellizotti likes Carl Lewis, gardening with his family and I already forget his favourite movie.  Helps pass the time.
Mind you, lovely countryside.

http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/dirett...1d164fc.html?channel=RaiSport%201

Nothing much happening yet.  Had a nice lunch five minutes walk away.  Solid resto grub, nothing special, nothing to seek out for an eating experience.  12 euros, three course, even a 1/4 of wine included.  Decent salad.  Chicken with nice sauce, fries and some aubergine and courgette veg, and brownies with sauce anglaise.  Kind of what might be called a reasonable price decent meal of a local sort.  

By the time I have my nap they will have done something.
Boogerd_Fan

what the? a lotto-jumbo rider leading the race!! Very Happy
go Kruijswijk!
HuwB

FF with an inspired FP?
Zakarin is on the move.
Nolte

30k left though 16k upmountain.

Yesterday at this time, i think it was 80k left.
Nolte

damn inxsauti, i thought either inxtausti or isaguire and like all this week, going against instinct, i went for isaguire
HuwB

And I thought the 2002 sprint finish on this climb was dull......

Bertie continues in the role of the little boy who cried wolf....

Tomorrow's stage will be far more exciting....it couldn't fail to be.

A huge disappointment.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
FF with an inspired FP?
Zakarin is on the move.


Oh well.  It did look like a pretty good FP for a bit.  I am patient and will pick him again.

We did see a bit of attacking, but when the four big favourites are riding as a pack with 1k to go, I guess we have to say the stage showed us that they are "the four favourites".  Glad to see Uran could keep up today, and that Landa might be able to make some good moves.  Still not to half-time yet, many  hills to climb.  

Tomorrow should have some gaps.
HuwB

The current GC standing:-
1)A Contador TNK
20F Aru  AST   @   4"
3)R Porte  SKY  @  22"
4)D Cataldo  AST    @   30"
5)M Landa  AST  @   42"

Obviously Vino's letters are extra potent this season.
Fontfroide

Sorry to reveal my ignorance, but when you say "Vino's letters", you are referring exactly to what?  I know I will be embarrassed when you answer, but remember I live in the sticks in France and miss a lot of things.  And as I age, I forget easily.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
And I thought the 2002 sprint finish on this climb was dull......

Bertie continues in the role of the little boy who cried wolf....

Tomorrow's stage will be far more exciting....it couldn't fail to be.

A huge disappointment.


I agree with every word Huw.  Very disappointing though we did learn that Tinkoff are thin on the ground when the road goes up.  Basso's well past his prime, but what happened to RK?
Mrs John Murphy

HuwB wrote:


Bertie continues in the role of the little boy who cried wolf....



No surprises there.
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
Sorry to reveal my ignorance, but when you say "Vino's letters", you are referring exactly to what?  I know I will be embarrassed when you answer, but remember I live in the sticks in France and miss a lot of things.  And as I age, I forget easily.


It became a bit of an "in" joke, last year.
Vino was unhappy with Nibali's early season performance to he supposedly sent him a letter of reprimand. We all know what happened next!

Tomorrow stage has now been changed. While the up and down stuff iappears exactly the same, the stage has been lengthened.
Nolte

porte feels "astana smell blood". Maybe missing two words. As well as three in the top five, they have three others in the top 30 on gc, kangert, tiralongo and name escaper
Mrs John Murphy


Link


Vino is singing this song at Tinkoff
gerry12ie

Mrs John Murphy wrote:

Link


Vino is singing this song at Tinkoff


LOL Laughing

I suppose it is all down to whether Astana feel like insaning it again Wink I came to play Ulissi but I see he is taken so someone else can have him and I will take either Formolo or Cunego.  Eeny meeny Cunego per favore
Mrs John Murphy

Astana and Tinkoff have got out a massive taunting stick and are taunting all and sundry.

Vroome is going to have to go nuclear come July.
gerry12ie

Landa.
Just saying.
gerry12ie

Contador and aru having a chat wondering how they can drop landa 😀
Mrs John Murphy

LOL Tiralongo
gerry12ie

What did I say about Astana insaning it?
gerry12ie

Astana looking for the 1-2-3 here😀
Mrs John Murphy

I am only surprised that they haven't started mooning at Cookson.
gerry12ie

Probably saving that for the final podium
Bartali

Porte ... no one likes a wheel sucker!
Mrs John Murphy

Bartali wrote:
Porte ... no one likes a wheel sucker!


I do think that there is an amusing irony in Sky and Dertie having done to them by Astana what they have done to others in the past.
ventoux

I'm getting a bit pissed off watching this farce.... but have to say that California has been great watching all week (never been really taken by this race in the past) - the drama went to the final lunge for the line, but all week there have been riders wanting to race....

... and a word for the superb Amgen Tour Tracker app.... puts the Eurosport one to shame
HuwB

ventoux wrote:
I'm getting a bit pissed off watching this farce....


This, so much this.
I've just watched this huge piss take.
As MJM says, Astana mooning at Cookson: bluff called.
Yesterday, Tiralongo drilled it on the front until he came to an almost complete standstill.
Today, he's riding away from everybody, winning a 220km, very hilly stage.
As for Landa, he's going to be in an Astana podium sandwich with Contadoir as the filling.
7 Astana riders had finished, when Uran and the other hopefuls crossed the line.
I haven't missed a Giro stage in 15 years, but right now I'm glad I won't be around passed Thursday, cos i've just about had my fill.

ventoux wrote:

but have to say that California has been great watching all week (never been really taken by this race in the past) - the drama went to the final lunge for the line, but all week there have been riders wanting to race....

... and a word for the superb Amgen Tour Tracker app.... puts the Eurosport one to shame


Errr, not so much this. Razz  (but last night with Sagan climbing for 20 odd miles did set it up nicely..........make of that what you will)
ventoux

Errr, not so much this. Razz  (but last night with Sagan climbing for 20 odd miles did set it up nicely..........make of that what you will)

Embarassed  Embarassed  Confused
Mrs John Murphy

What it reminds me of is another 'comedy' Giro, namely 2008.
HuwB

ventoux wrote:
Errr, not so much this. Razz  (but last night with Sagan climbing for 20 odd miles did set it up nicely..........make of that what you will)

Embarassed  Embarassed  Confused


Well, the tracker is great, but the parcour up until yesterday was a bit flat and featureless. Too many sprint finishes for my taste.
I've missed today's finale, but it seems to have come right down to a tyre width.
Biosphere

I read that Tiralongo is the oldest stage winner in Giro history. Trust the internet if you will, but either way . . .

Having not seen much for the last 4 or 5 days, but kept up to date with trackers, it hadn't seemed quite so ridiculous (even if what was going on was knowingly ridiculous), but having seen some footage and the men in Dayglo blue sitting seemingly permanently at the front, I am reminded of the power of images.

Rogers says that from his SRM data, so far it's the biggest power output GT he's been involved in.

Teams will be queuing up for an audit at this rate - it obviously helps a team to effectively review their processes, prune inefficiencies and focus on core competences.
Mrs John Murphy

Biosphere wrote:


Teams will be queuing up for an audit at this rate - it obviously helps a team to effectively review their processes, prune inefficiencies and focus on core competences.


Sod sleeping in a special oxygen bus for a marginal gain. Just get yourself audited.

If anyone knows what a dodgy race looks like then its Dirty Mick Rogers.

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