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Biosphere

Giro 2015: Dolce,Cafe and Grappa! May 28th - 31st

Unlike last year we don't get a stage in Grappa to make the title particularly appropriate. Still no reason not to indulge as they battle with the gravel on the Saturday though Wink

After overnighting in the land of sporting corruption (nice to see another sport get the dawn hotel raid treatment), Thursday is back to Italy for an eye candy outing by Lake Maggiore before the steep climb of Ologno and an opportunity for some fearless breakaway descending to the line. Friday is probably more of a tempo climbing day against the backdrop of the Matterhorn from the non chocolate box side. The mountains are rounded off with fun and games on Finestre on Saturday before the drag to Sestriere. Contador for the Cima Coppi and the stage? Loops of Turin on Sunday to decide who gets to keep the red jersey.

Stage 18 - Thursday


The climb


Stage 19 - Friday


Finish


Stage 20 - Saturday


Finish


Stage 21 - Sunday
Biosphere

An appropriate bit of history for Thursday's stage.

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By the time Verbania hosted its first stage finish, in 1952, Gino Bartali was almost 38. He still placed fifth on GC, but he couldn’t hope to live with a rampant Coppi. Nor, for that matter, could anyone else. Runner-up Fiorenzo Magni shipped over nine minutes and the Swiss Koblet and Kübler were hammered out of sight. Koblet had been ill while poor Kübler, the reigning world champion, found himself in double trouble. Back then Switzerland had two cycling federations, which meant that Swiss professionals could ride for two different teams. When, therefore, Ferdi rode in Italy, he did so for Frejus, a Torinese bike manufacturer.

The problem was that at the Trofeo Baracchi the previous year, he’d shown up on the wrong bike. He’d ridden his Swiss Tebag and now Frejus filed a lawsuit demanding that he repay the whole lot, plus damages. Not good…

While Kübler contemplated his navel (or his bank balance) it fell upon Switzerland’s very own ‘third man’, little Fritz Schär, to uphold national honour. He did so on the penultimate stage to Verbania, of 293km. The peloton departed Aosta headed for Switzerland and an ascent of the giant San Bernardo Pass. With the Giro effectively done and dusted, however, they called a truce. They rode the stage as tourists and nothing whatsoever happened until the final hour. By the time Schär sprinted home from a breakaway group of five, he’d been on his bike for over 10 hours. The Swiss had salvaged a stage win, but theirs had been a wretched Giro…


Useless bit of trivia - the new Great St Bernard road (feeder for the tunnel) has a roof to keep the snow off in winter. It works Smile
gerry12ie

Rather pleased to see the highlights tonight and watch the race pass through Menaggio on Lake Como where we holidayed a couple of years ago for Lombardia.  I nearly got knocked down on the corner that Eisel had the issue with the moto and we stayed on the road that they went up to Lugano.  Very lovely part of Italy and I would love to cycle a bit around there but the roads are very narrow and very busy in the summer.  Took a couple of long beautiful walks that will stay long in the memory.  Lugano was nice too but all a bit too sedate and very obviously stinking rich...

Thinks Lombardia might be a good call this year...  Very Happy
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
Lugano was nice too but all a bit too sedate and very obviously stinking rich...


I've only ever passed through Ticino on my toing and froing over the last few years, and it is all very pretty, but my philosophy is if I'm speaking Italian (however badly), I want Italian prices Wink

Have seen far too little of the last few days. Tax return deadline. Between that and Contador’s dominance, I've got a touch of the Aru’s.
gerry12ie

I'm in work so not watching but it sounds like there's a whole heap of karma flying around
Bartali

Yup .... typical rampant Contador. Impressive ... but maybe not too clever in the grand scheme of things.
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
Yup .... typical rampant Contador. Impressive ... but maybe not too clever in the grand scheme of things.


i agree. It seems a bit too much of an effort with the stage tomorrow of 230km, saturday too  and then july coming up.
Biosphere

Reminder of what happened the last time the race came to Cervinia. With Aru vulnerable, Amador certainly has the motivation for a repeat, whilst Hesjedal is having a good third week. He must have regrets about the first.

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Stage 14 of the 2012 Giro isn’t necessarily one that will linger long in the memory. The temperatures were spiteful, the skies threatening, the crowds as a consequence pretty sparse. It was a climbing marathon won by Andrey Amador, a Costa Rican arrampicatore from Movistar. Nobody would have imagined that 20 years ago, just as nobody would have imagined a Canadian might win a bruising, no-quarter Giro like this.

Though the stage wasn’t spectacular it was, in its way, a modern classic. The 20 seconds Ryder Hesjedal put into Joaquim Rodrìguez here seemed innocuous enough to those stood by the roadside, but they were anything but. They put him into pink, gave him something to defend and conditioned the final week. He famously clung on during a beast of a penultimate stage over the Stelvio, but it was here, on a bleak afternoon in Aosta, that much of the donkey work was done.

Hesjedal wasn’t a spectacular Giro winner and nor perhaps one the Italian media would have chosen. Like Johan De Muynck, Tony Rominger and Gösta Pettersson before him, he was unspectacular, undemonstrative and above all foreign.

The fact of the matter is that 21st century general classification racing is extremely tight. Gone are the days of long range attacks and five-minute gains by rampant maglie rosa. Of late overall victories have been rather more marginal, but no less significant for it. Hesjedal’s Giro, gripping if underappreciated, was simply a mirror on the times
Mrs John Murphy

In between the comedy racing from Saxo and Astana, someone who seems to be very quietly having a good race is Geniez
gerry12ie

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
In between the comedy racing from Saxo and Astana, someone who seems to be very quietly having a good race is Geniez


Aye, I liked Elissonde's feisty attitude yesterday, geeing Geniez up to get him going.  Alot to be said for Hesjedal's approach, and as Bio said, he could be pushing for a podium had his first week been different.

Anyone notice the massive gaps in the Young Riders class?

1 Fabio Aru (Ita) Astana Pro Team 72:29:14
2 Davide Formolo (Ita) Cannondale-Garmin 0:50:56
3 Fabio Felline (Ita) TrekRacing 1:41:15
4 Francesco Bongiorno (Ita) Bardiani CSF 1:45:40
5 Esteban Chaves (Col) Orica GreenEdge 1:55:49
6 Sebastian Henao (Col) Team Sky 2:01:30
7 Kenny Elissonde (Fra) FDJ.fr 2:08:17
8 Silvan Dillier (Swi) BMC Racing Team 2:10:29
9 Jan Polanc (Slo) Lampre-Merida 2:15:04
10 Nathan Brown (USA) Cannondale-Garmin 2:21:28
Boogerd_Fan

In contrast, if Ryder had stayed near the front during 1st week, I doubt he would be allowed in the breaks. So he would still be somewhere thereabouts compared to where he is anyway.

Young rider classment does show what a fine job Aru is doing for his age, despite the grimaces.
gerry12ie

The gap between Formolo and the rest is pretty impressive too...
Bartali

I'm amazed that this commentator bothers to talk about Visconti's 'brush with the authorities' while fawning over Bertie's prowess.  I take that back .... I'm not amazed at all.  Oh well ...

BTW ... not having a go at Bertie, just the inconsistency ...
Bartali

Hesjedal is such a dope head ... him and Landa are practically nuclear!
Bartali

Come on Aru .... give it some!!!
gerry12ie

1 - Jerry Seinfeld
2 - Jackie Onassis
3 - Mick Jagger

#lovethegiro
Bartali

Well I enjoyed that.  I think the lad gave it his all there ... will probably pay for it tomorrow, but pleased for him.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
1 - Jerry Seinfeld
2 - Jackie Onassis
3 - Mick Jagger

#lovethegiro


LOL Smile
Fontfroide

Watched it later, had an obligation today.  

Nice stage, good on Aru.  Ryder H showing himself, Uran showing himself, Contador hiding in what must have been a quite disciplined way.  Wonder if he had the legs to chase Aru?  Wonder if Landa was told to not attack at all, but just ride long keeping Alberto from doing anything?  I do wonder about all these strategic choices, and seldom find out the answer.

My FP, carefully chosen, perfectly sensible, lost half an hour, proving once again how badly I can choose.

Must say that watching the last 15 k, I didn't really get very excited, just felt moderate amounts of respect for this rider and that.  Really not much at stake it seemed.  Still, hope springs eternal and I await tomorrow for excitement.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
Reminder of what happened the last time the race came to Cervinia. With Aru vulnerable ...


I wish you would say things like this more often Wink Seems to have fired him up ...
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Watched it later, had an obligation today.  

Nice stage, good on Aru.  Ryder H showing himself, Uran showing himself, Contador hiding in what must have been a quite disciplined way.  Wonder if he had the legs to chase Aru?  Wonder if Landa was told to not attack at all, but just ride long keeping Alberto from doing anything?


I suspect the Astana plan was to try to put time between Aru and 4th, 5th, 6th etc.  With a 4 minute buffer both should be able to defend the podium now.  Tomorrow will be interesting as an out of contract Landa may well attack Aru ..

Remarkable restraint from Bertie today.  I bet he found it hard not to chase Aru down.  Good head for once ...
Mrs John Murphy

Bartali wrote:
I'm amazed that this commentator bothers to talk about Visconti's 'brush with the authorities' while fawning over Bertie's prowess.  I take that back .... I'm not amazed at all.  Oh well ...

BTW ... not having a go at Bertie, just the inconsistency ...


The media have always had selective amnesia when it comes to doping.

There are good dopers and bad dopers.
Bartali

Talking of selective amnesia ...

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“If anybody can do the double, he can. He’s got so much experience. He’s an impressive rider and is arguably the most consistent Grand Tour rider, probably ever. We’d have to go back to Merckx’s reign to make a comparison and he doesn’t seem to be fading yet.


... its amazing how LeMond conveniently forgets about his nemesis Hinault whose GT record is arguably better than both Bertie and Merckx - finished 12, won 10, second twice.
Boogerd_Fan

gerry12ie wrote:
The gap between Formolo and the rest is pretty impressive too...


he exploded today tho Sad

there were roughly 10KM of pure racing where anything could've happened at the end there.

hopefully it continues tomorrow with some moves on the gravel on Finestre.
Biosphere

So the Mrs. was gone out for an evening of wine tasting (well that's what she calls it Wink), so I was able to plop in front of the TV and ignore my chores Smile 236km is a brutal stage.

I had thought Aru might save his stage winning efforts (he had to win one) for tomorrow and bring his cyclo cross skills to bear. My dreadful FPing continues. I was a 50:50 on Hesjedal or Amador based the history snippet so I went with Amador today and Aru tomorrow Rolling Eyes

Bartali wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Reminder of what happened the last time the race came to Cervinia. With Aru vulnerable ...


I wish you would say things like this more often Wink Seems to have fired him up ...


He was fading and fading, but remember he gets the strength of two men in the 3rd week Wink

I thought Uran would try something since he's out of contract and rumoured to be leaving Etixx. Expected a bit more though.

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
In contrast, if Ryder had stayed near the front during 1st week, I doubt he would be allowed in the breaks. So he would still be somewhere thereabouts compared to where he is anyway.


For sure it would be a different race, but clearly he's got very good legs and probably could have been chasing the podium. He deserves a stage win, but tomorrow is unlikely for him.
Biosphere

Friday night so it's time to reflect on tomorrow over a nice glass of 10 year old Collusion. A modern classic that has aged exceptionally well Wink

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Has there ever been a better stage than the penultimate one of the 2005 Giro? Paolo Savoldelli’s incredible performance in salvaging the maglia rosa is arguably the highlight of 21st century road racing, a stage so good that it’s almost unthinkable we might see its like again.

The organisers had been inspired by the success of L’Eroica, a sportive held on Tuscany’s strade bianche (white roads). They therefore included the sterrata climb to Finestre, sandwiched between two ascents of Sestriere: an absolute humdinger. Going into the stage – and indeed into the Finestre – Savoldelli led double Giro winner Gilberto Simoni by 2:09, with the Venezuelan Jose Rujano at 3:00. An hour later, however, his Giro looked in grave peril. Simoni, Rujano and Danilo Di Luca had wiped out his advantage in just 15km and ‘Gibo’ was now virtual maglia rosa. With Sestriere still to come, a floundering Savoldelli was staring down the barrel. By the beginning of the climb to Sestriere he led the race by four seconds, but they were three climbers and he was one passista.

The rest was spellbinding. Simoni and Di Luca pulled for all they were worth, while Rujano sat on in the hope of pilfering the stage. Savoldelli, meanwhile, found help in extremis. Wim Van Huffel and Mauricio Ardila, neither of them team mates, each did turns on the front as the gap stabilised. Finally Di Luca cramped and Simoni ran out of steam, and Savoldelli completed a heroic rescue job.
Biosphere

Today's key (and very uniform) climb. Brackets refer to the gravel (sterrato) section.

mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:

Quote:
Has there ever been a better stage than the penultimate one of the 2005 Giro? Paolo Savoldelli’s incredible performance in salvaging the maglia rosa is arguably the highlight of 21st century road racing, a stage so good that it’s almost unthinkable we might see its like again.


Remember it well as being very sad to me as I thought Gilberto had done enough on the Finestre with his brilliant ride on the climb.
From memory (only)(rose tinted maybe) but Paolo had a lot of help to close on Gilberto with Sean Yates in the car willing that group on.
Another one that Gilberto had in his grasp but lost in the end.
Forza Gilberto Simoni. (he's probably still laughing at life)
mr shifter

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:

Quote:
Has there ever been a better stage than the penultimate one of the 2005 Giro? Paolo Savoldelli’s incredible performance in salvaging the maglia rosa is arguably the highlight of 21st century road racing, a stage so good that it’s almost unthinkable we might see its like again.


Remember it well as being very sad to me as I thought Gilberto had done enough on the Finestre with his brilliant ride on the climb.
From memory (only)(rose tinted maybe) but Paolo had a lot of help to close on Gilberto with Sean Yates in the car willing that group on.
Another one that Gilberto had in his grasp but lost in the end.
Forza Gilberto Simoni. (he's probably still laughing at life)


Edit
Will there be another Chain Gang Pursuit Finish ?
Bartali

mr shifter wrote:
Forza Gilberto Simoni


Hear hear!  

Legs permitting I'll be visiting his bike monument at the top of the Pordoi in a couple of months Smile
gerry12ie

That Alberto Contador might be half decent if he had a team to support him...
Bartali

LOL Smile
Nolte

Don't see what the fuss is all about this surface, reminds me of my local roads Wink

i remember that 2005 stage well.
Bartali

Aru looks like he'll pay for yesterday.  Meanwhile doper Hesjedal is looking stronger and stronger since the rest day!!
gerry12ie

Kruiswijk certainly deserves the KOM - super gutsy.  Lana goes and takes the gap straight away that we have become accustomed to (over the last two weeks LOL)
Bartali

Landa could win this by 10 minutes .... he's been on the windscale flakes!
Nolte

contador dropped!!!!!
Bartali

Game on .... Smile
gerry12ie

If the mother of the imbeciles is always pregnant, she is now spitting out two-headed babies
gerry12ie

Contador might be a lot of things, but he is no mountain biker
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
If the mother of the imbeciles is always pregnant, she is now spitting out two-headed babies
Smile Smile #talklikenibali
gerry12ie

This had to happen at some stage, and its down to Saxo consistently leaving Contador isolated at critical times right through this race
Bartali

He'll be in trouble if he flats ...
gerry12ie

Bjarne might just be wearing a wry grin...

Zakarin can't even hold Landa's wheel on the flat FFS
gerry12ie

Hatch has done little else but babble on the 'dark days' and 'different times' all day while Landa and Zakarin take the piss out front
Bartali

Blinkers ... they all wear blinkers!!

Bertie looks in control now.  He's not panicking ... unfortunately Wink
Bartali

So basically this Giro will come down to the difference in the TT and ITT with Aru (even a sick Aru) generally out climbing Bertie?  On this evidence, Nibali and Froome will destroy him in July ... two GTs is a big big ask.
gerry12ie

A sick Aru, Bart? Wink

I'm recalling Huw's questions about a young rider finishing a three week tour the strongest.  Sick last weekend (allegedly) then wins the last two big mountain stages, once again finishing the third week the strongest.  I'm not sure I buy it...
gerry12ie

All told, a staggering show of strength by Astana right throughout.  Looked to me like they all had so much in the tank they didn't know best how to use it.
Bartali

Alternatively we simply have a strong rider who gets sick for a couple of days which wipes out his second week? All good GT riders finish strong in the third week ... that's what makes them GT riders isn't it?
Bartali

I certainly agree with the general point about Astana ... an embarrassment of riches.  To be honest - doping questions aside - I think they rode a very good race.  Bertie is just a great rider.  2nd, third, 5 stage wins and the white jersey ... what more could one ask?
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
Alternatively we simply have a strong rider who gets sick for a couple of days which wipes out his second week? All good GT riders finish strong in the third week ... that's what makes them GT riders isn't it?


The best one of the last 20 years didn't Wink

I think Froome, Quintana and Nibali will take real heart from the last couple of days though...
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
The best one of the last 20 years didn't Wink


I didn't think Nibs was riding Smile

Seriously, Bertie's at the end of his career ... he usually is very strong in the third week.  Didn't he beat Cancellara in a stage 18 ITT?  Only when he attempted the double did he suffer in the third week of the tour as far as I remember.
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Aru looks like he'll pay for yesterday. . .


I wish you would say these things more often. It seems to have fired him up Wink

Was watching on chase play so couldn't join in on chat. For a few moments I thought we might have the mother of all surprises on hand. A grand way to end if there was eyebrow raising performances all round. Did think whether I should have gone to watch the local hill climb instead, but since that one is dominated by an ex Quick Step every year, would it be any better? Wink
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
I wish you would say these things more often. It seems to have fired him up Wink


LOL Smile

Suspicious performances all round ... but I have enjoyed this Giro.  Best one since 2013.
Boogerd_Fan

Nibali can certainly be happy with how Landa and Aru have tested Bertie in last 2 days.

with less TT and some tricky mountain stages, the Tour is going to be very very hard for Contador.
Fontfroide

Funny thing for me, this Giro.  I remember liking the finishes of several stages, more than the usual number in the Tour.  So I liked many of the stages, full of surprises, nice countryside for sure.  I have to also say that it was a good overall race.  Thing is, in terms of results I didn't get excited, maybe i didn't pay attention.  Maybe i missed too many stages, I was really busy.  I hardly knew who was fighting for the mountains jersey, although I could see it change bodies.  I have some idea for the green jersey, although we shall see.  The white jersey was completely obvious, as it usually is after a week or so of any Grand Tour.  The entire Astana team was totally and incredibly strong throughout.  They had enough guys for every single function is nearly every stage.  I can even imagine conversations in the Astana thirty k from the end, discussing who would win.  Good to see guys like Zakarin emerge into the big time.  And Gilbert taking his stage.  I mean, it was pretty solid every day.

Contador was superb, his team was average, throughout.  Although Saxo could ride on the flat all right.  And he was going to win, not by blowing people off in a competitive climb, but by them just fading, hardly turning up ready for action.  Uran, Porte.  My mountain man Pozzovivo just vanished.  And after all that, and I admit some stages were fascinating, it has always been Contador, even though he must have ridden 100 k without a teammate, or alone, during the race.

So it was an pretty good Giro for me, but I guess I would have like the gaps to be a bit smaller at the top.  Then again, Contador did not want them smaller and rode for three weeks like he really had no problem.  I am also almost certain that had Contador not had the Tour in mind, he could have kept up with all those guys today and won the stage.  Looking forward to see what he can do against all the big guys.

Anyway, enough blathering.  I now have one less event to place in my life every day.  A bit of a break.  Fourth of July then.  With some distractions between now and then, of course.

Can't believe how badly I did in the FPs.  If I didn't have confidence that I can recover, I would give up.
Boogerd_Fan

Pozzovivo just happened to vanish into back of ambulance FF... hardly same circumstance as Porte or Uran just being blown away after a week.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Contador was superb, his team was average, throughout.  And he was going to win, not by blowing people off in a competitive climb, but by them just fading, hardly turning up ready for action.


This is nor a criticism because the best man did win, but lets put this myth of Contador's climbing prowess to bed once and for all.  Contador won this Giro in the ITT - he lost to Aru (and maybe Landa) on the open road. Aru was taking seconds off him in the first weeks climbs and minutes in the third week.

Now Bertie might just have been winding down these last two days given his buffer was so big.  I might have believed that yesterday, but not today.

BUT ... a Giro has mountains and climbs, so the best man won.  Chapeau! [But as a Nibali man, I am very happy with what I've seen these last three weeks.]
Mrs John Murphy

This is a giro where I feel the pick jersey will be awarded by CAS at a later date.

Both Astana and Tinkoff were pretty Surprised much of the time and I am sorry but Landa...
Bartali

I hear you MJM, but I think Bertie is too smart to get caught again.  That said I wouldn't be surprised to see Landa bounced.
Biosphere

New plans afoot

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While Tinkoff-Saxo owner Oleg Tinkov jubilantly celebrated Alberto Contador’s impending overall victory by punching the air amid the photographers in the pit directly below the podium, Vinokourov stood discreetly observing the scene at a safe distance from the Prosecco spray and pink ticker tape. Later cornered by a RAI television crew, Vinokourov noted that he would now like Aru to turn his attentions to riding this year’s Tour de France alongside defending champion Vincenzo Nibali.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a...resurgence-with-sestriere-victory
Bartali

Umm ... personally I would save him for the Vuelta. But what do I know.
Biosphere

The last history lesson. Milan to Bologna on a bike. In a day. It's bad enough in a car Laughing

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To conclude our gallop through Giro history, we’re winding it all the way back. The 1909 race, the one that started it all, was just eight stages. It was actually a tour of northern and central Italy, because the south (Naples aside) had neither the roads nor the demographics. There was no point trying to flog newspapers to people who couldn’t read them and the south was overwhelmingly illiterate.

They rode alternate days back then, because the Gazzetta itself only came out every other day, and the stages lasted an eternity – the first, from Milan to Bologna, was 397km. The thinking behind such epic distances was twofold. First, it meant they reached more towns and cities, and second, the mind-boggling distances captured the public imagination. They consequently bought more papers and so it rolled on.

Those who finished the final leg into Milan became instant celebrities. However, they were in the habit of issuing protests against one another and this was a case in point. Runnerup Carlo Galletti tried to have overall winner Luigi Ganna thrown off for various infractions and the jury was duty-bound to investigate. It therefore took two days for the final results to be ratified, but Galletti was barking up the wrong tree. Ganna had won fair and square, at least insofar as such a thing was possible. Which it probably wasn’t, but there we go.
Fontfroide

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Pozzovivo just happened to vanish into back of ambulance FF... hardly same circumstance as Porte or Uran just being blown away after a week.


I know.  I was just trying to make a case for challengers and riders fading out of the picture too early to suit me.  But it does happen, crashes, and guys getting whupped or not sowing up in good shape.  Betancur was another example of someone who never came to the table.

But you are right. Pozzovivo was injured, and the other guys were not.  Although Porte maybe.  Just felt like there was  not a lot of suspense in some way.
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Pozzovivo just happened to vanish into back of ambulance FF... hardly same circumstance as Porte or Uran just being blown away after a week.


I know.  I was just trying to make a case for challengers and riders fading out of the picture too early to suit me.  But it does happen, crashes, and guys getting whupped or not sowing up in good shape.  Betancur was another example of someone who never came to the table.

But you are right. Pozzovivo was injured, and the other guys were not.  Although Porte maybe.  Just felt like there was  not a lot of suspense in some way.


robert millar made the point betancur starting showing his face  at the front instead of the rear when oleg tinkov was saying about cutting non performing riders salaries, betancur must have got worried ag2r might do the same :d

betancur not been the same since winning paris-nice.
Mrs John Murphy

Make of this what you will

http://www.climbing-records.com/2...stest-time-on-mortirolo-2015.html
gerry12ie

Nice to see Ashley House bringing the eurotrash to eurosport with that white jeans and pink Giro top combination...not

#freddiemercurylives
Bartali

Bertie convince he's won three Giri ... and our ES commentator just laughing it off.  Oh so different to so many of the others ...

Same bloke just said it was a good Giro for Sky .... has he been watching the race?
Mrs John Murphy

Bartali wrote:
Bertie convince he's won three Giri ... and our ES commentator just laughing it off.  Oh so different to so many of the others ...

Same bloke just said it was a good Giro for Sky .... has he been watching the race?


To be fair, the Uniballer considers himself the winner of 7 TDFs. So obviously an unknown side effect of EPO/blood abuse are delusions and memory loss.

This also explains Sky as well.
Fontfroide

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Make of this what you will

http://www.climbing-records.com/2...stest-time-on-mortirolo-2015.html


I can hardly make anything of it, after trying for a few minutes.  Except that some riders, on some days, in some years, under certain contextual conditions, ride up faster than others.  I would have to work out what was happening on the day before, the day after, and the weather, including the wind to make any sense of it at all.  

Still, merci.  Seems a good thing to do in the winter.   Laughing
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Make of this what you will

http://www.climbing-records.com/2...stest-time-on-mortirolo-2015.html


I can hardly make anything of it, after trying for a few minutes.  Except that some riders, on some days, in some years, under certain contextual conditions, ride up faster than others.  I would have to work out what was happening on the day before, the day after, and the weather, including the wind to make any sense of it at all.  

Still, merci.  Seems a good thing to do in the winter.   Laughing


I think the key observation is that the fastest ascent in 1999 was over 3.5 minutes faster than this year. Even allowing for differences in weather and race conditions, 1999 was "a lot faster", which you'd expect of the pre EPO testing era.
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
Bertie convince he's won three Giri ... and our ES commentator just laughing it off.  Oh so different to so many of the others ...

Same bloke just said it was a good Giro for Sky .... has he been watching the race?



I quite liked how Konig dug in and saved their top 10 after Porte proved he was damper than freshly laundered socks.
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:
Bertie convince he's won three Giri ...

3 Fingers to remind the crowd he has had that presentation and trophy 3 times.
Like Armstrong they have the pictures to prove the point.
Pictures speak louder than words I'm told.  compress
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Bertie convince he's won three Giri ... and our ES commentator just laughing it off.  Oh so different to so many of the others ...

Same bloke just said it was a good Giro for Sky .... has he been watching the race?



I quite liked how Konig dug in and saved their top 10 after Porte proved he was damper than freshly laundered socks.


I agree Konig rode well ... but hardly a great race for the team by anyone's standard.  Even Viviani seemed to stop fighting for the red jersey.
Mrs John Murphy

Bartali wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Bertie convince he's won three Giri ... and our ES commentator just laughing it off.  Oh so different to so many of the others ...

Same bloke just said it was a good Giro for Sky .... has he been watching the race?



I quite liked how Konig dug in and saved their top 10 after Porte proved he was damper than freshly laundered socks.


I agree Konig rode well ... but hardly a great race for the team by anyone's standard.  Even Viviani seemed to stop fighting for the red jersey.


Don't worry it is all part of Dave's master plan. He's a cycling genius don't you know. He's worked out that sucking balls at the Giro actually helps improve performance by 0.08%  (he ran it through the computer). As a result Sky will return to their all conquering ways in July.
gerry12ie

I was a bit disappointed with Kong TBH.  While 6th is an improvement on last years 7th at the tour (after the team leader crashed out as well) Bardet, TVG and Piti were higher calibre opposition for a podium spot than Hesjedal and Amador at the Giro.  

They don't do Plan B terribly well really.  They won the first stage and then folded pretty quickly in the points competition - so not an outstanding return for a team that is all about GTs and little else...
gerry12ie

...and don't forget Konig's 7th at le Tour was achieved with the massive resources of Net-App at his command  Wink
Mrs John Murphy

Finishing 7th does I think reflect that he'd been on Porte towing duties previously and had lost time early on doing that. So we can maybe credit him with something of a recovery. You wonder how he would have done if he had been team leader.

Was surprised to see them not really looking for stage wins (a la Saxo)

Porte has to be the winner of the Maillot Merde
gerry12ie

Yes, I think it showed that Sky are very one-dimensional.  There is Plan A and thats it - they didn't go for stage wins and didn't really try to hold the points jersey.  

Porte and Konig lost two minutes in the crash that Contador lost 30" in.  I think that says a lot...
gerry12ie

Also - GC winner, Points winner and KOM winner didn't win a stage between them FWIW
mazda

I'm still mulling over stage 20.
What happened on the Finestre is the kind of situation we live to see in our GT watching.

Kangert looked like a good descender earlier in the race.
Anyone know how far Kangert got ahead of AC and whether Astana ever had the option to merge the three of them on the road ?

What is definite is that Astana did deny Landa the KoM jersey chance.
I may add that I don't believe they were buying into the mantra that you don't win everything and leave something for the other teams.
So it was all about the slim chance, by the time the call came, to grab the GC.
Is the KoM chance what Landa was upset about the most ?

I find it odd that the final climb was only a Cat 3.
No double points for an uphill finish either, or is that related to it being just a Cat 3 ?

In the end Landa will be kicking himself about his ITT long after the other issues clear his mind.
mr shifter

mr shifter wrote:

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Will there be another Chain Gang Pursuit Finish ?
Well there was, up the motorway to Sestriere. ?
gerry12ie

I'll put this here for Huw to comment when he makes it through the third week Very Happy

I know we are (quite rightly) not the hugest fans of the Secret Pro but I think his comments on the Giro are very near to what most of us were saying or thinking
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There were days when you’d just despair. I know myself, my teammates and many of the guys in the peloton aren’t crap riders — we’d trained, eaten and prepared for the race 100%; we’d had the best form it’s humanly possible to achieve. And then we came up against guys who simply took the piss.


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The general consensus in the peloton was that you may as well have just finished the stage in the bunch because no matter what you did, it wasn’t going to make an ounce of difference on the GC or even on the stage. It wasn’t just frustrating, it was bloody insulting.

When guys who, last season — or even earlier this season — were in your group or at your level take off up the road or put out that extra 30-40 watts? They may as well be laughing in your face.


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Astana had a great race didn’t they? Six riders in the top 25, and with guys that I’ve not seen that high up on a GC list before. They sure rode out of their skins! I’ve said it before but it needs stating again — especially after how they dominated the Giro in the mountains — but it amazes me (and many of the other guys in the peloton) that Astana still has a WorldTour Licence.

It’s beyond puzzling that they are still running as a team. What on earth is going on in the heads of the people at the UCI when it comes to agreeing to let Astana keep their licence? It’s a question that I’m sure I’ll never know the answer to.

I would love to have seen Astana made an example of. If the UCI had revoked their licence it would have shown a solid stance and been a massive step in the right direction. Instead we see Astana dominate the Giro.


If that really is the opinion of the riders (and I am not suggesting it is) then it can only lead to a further escalation of the arms race, non?

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/06...were-days-when-youd-just-despair/
Mrs John Murphy

And yet Dertie had no problem beating the doped up mutants of Astana.

Why no questioning of Tinkoff?

I'd take the TSP's comments more seriously if he wasn't such a hypocrite when it comes to calling out others.

Astana are only following what Tinkoff and Sky started.
Bartali

And lets throw Garmin Cannondale into the mix too ... Hesjedal seemed to have found that extra 40+ watts when others were fading!
mazda

It's quite interesting re-running through the race like this, waiting to see Huw's comments on the final week's shenanigans.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Yup .... typical rampant Contador. Impressive ... but maybe not too clever in the grand scheme of things.


Just watched stage 18.
Another incident packed stage.

Not so much rampant as reciprocating.
To be expected, given the shoddy Astana etiquette, two days earlier.
Pleased that Contador gave them a lesson on not attacking GC candidates suffering a mechanical. Cost them a big minute.
But to me, he doesn't look totally fluid. Hesjedal catching up?

No doubt this will now lead to a Vino inspired Astana counter-rampage.
Landa should be chomping at the bit and is clearly stronger than Contador.
Aru powers looks quite shot and he now seems to be in the domi roll.
No way back for him in the normal scheme of things.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Not so much rampant as reciprocating.
To be expected, given the shoddy Astana etiquette, two days earlier.
Pleased that Contador gave them a lesson on not attacking GC candidates suffering a mechanical.


Agreed ... what goes around comes around!!  I meant rampant in a good way ....
HuwB

Just finished watching stage 19. Nothing much to say about that, other than it confirmed my disbelief in Italy's new GT star.
Comedy Giro.

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