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Giro 2015: Ancora più Secondi Piatti:- May 24th - May 27th

Covering the next 3 days.

We finally get to hit the mountains proper but after one stage there's a rest day to take away the momentum Sad On Tuesday it's climbing from the off with with the first crossing of the finish line coming a bit beyond half way before the testing Mortirolo as the penultimate climb. Wednesday sees a leisurely jaunt into Switzerland. Designed for the sprinters no doubt, a chance for those that are left to bag a few more points before their last rendezvous next Sunday.

Stage 15


Finish


Stage 16


Finish


Stage 17
Biosphere

Sunday: Return to Madonna di Campiglio

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...-evokes-memories-of-marco-pantani
Biosphere

Sunday's penultimate climb

Quote:
The Passo Daone is one of the hardest climbs in the Giro, just 8.4km but it averages 9.2% and that includes the rest section after the village of Cort one third of the way up. It’s steep, the surface isn’t great and it winds up in an irregular fashion from the start. It might be too early to be decisive but fortune favours the braves. Sometimes descents can be an afterthought, not this time because the way down is very narrow, steep in places and on a bad road. It’s awkward on a solo training ride, harder in a race and the forecast says rain which makes this a place for the skilled or the crazy. The route opens up on the Sarca valley road to Pinzolo, a wide open road where any mountain goats who made a move earlier can lose their advantage to an organised chase.


gerry12ie

Grrr... I have to finish my final paper this week and I have only just started writing.  Something might have to give today, although an hour out of the day to watch this mightn't make a massive difference if I make it up in the early hours of the morning.  God knows what kind of shite I'll be rattling out then about Myth as a moral paradigm.  Now, cycling and moral paradigms, there's a can of worms... Wink
Mrs John Murphy

Just spare a thought for the marker (as I am ploughing through final essays and ema scripts).
gerry12ie

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Just spare a thought for the marker (as I am ploughing through final essays and ema scripts).


We could always come to a wheel change arrangement... Wink
Bartali

LOL
gerry12ie

Porte way out the back again
gerry12ie

Uran gone out the back.  Six Astana vs Contador and Rodgers.  Where is Basso?
Mrs John Murphy

I wonder who the Skybots will blame this time
kathy

Berto getting cheeky - going for the sprint!
gerry12ie

Six Astana let Contador take 2" in the sprint
gerry12ie

I'll have whatever Tiralongo is having
Bartali

Me too Smile  Super juice!
Bartali

I think Aru is struggling today ... hope not
gerry12ie

Contador let the monkey win while he looked after the organ grinder.  All that work and Astana still lost 6"
Bartali

Well Bertie is still the at the top of his game.  I wonder what Astana's ambitions were coming into this race?  Did they ever think they could break Bertie? Bertie aside, they've destroyed everyone with Aru and won two stages ... and might still finish with two on the podium. And best of all Bertie will be knackered in July ...
gerry12ie

He might only be warming up Bart!  I presume Porte and Kiryienka wont ride the Tour for Sky, won't they be a bit thin on the ground with cover for Froome in July?
Mrs John Murphy

This is the kind of race where I am glad that no one is actually watching because it is so embarrassingly dirty.
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
Well Bertie is still the at the top of his game.  I wonder what Astana's ambitions were coming into this race?  Did they ever think they could break Bertie? Bertie aside, they've destroyed everyone with Aru and won two stages ... and might still finish with two on the podium. And best of all Bertie will be knackered in July ...


yes, it is something i heard too that astana making the racing hard is not to win the giro, but to tire contador out for the tour

gerry - it is obvious, skys cover for the tour will be roche and deignan Wink though there is also henao, poels, kennaugh. Nieve has been weak in the giro, maybe out of form currently?
Slapshot 3

thinking about Astana.... is their modus operandi in Italy to soften Alberto up for Nibali in July?? Aru is good but not that good yet so maybe it's the softening up process???
Mrs John Murphy

gerry12ie wrote:
He might only be warming up Bart!  I presume Porte and Kiryienka wont ride the Tour for Sky, won't they be a bit thin on the ground with cover for Froome in July?


Don't worry, he will have the special camper van set up for him. Or maybe not after Porte's success? Has Porte finished yet?
Bartali

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Has Porte finished yet?


That's so mean ... but it did make me laugh.

On a serious note, I think he must now accept that he just doesn't have the resilience (or the luck) for three week tours.  I can see him mopping up the one week tours if that's where he focuses
Mrs John Murphy

I tend to think that if he were to be serious about a GT then why not the Vuelta - afterall, it normally has the weakest field and other 1 week specialists who can't hack it in a 3 week race have won there - ie Piti Valv.
Biosphere

Porte has packed his bags and is going home. The motorhome is also leaving and is on its way back to GB.

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=79901&tp=n

Not sure I'd write off his GT podium aspirations just yet. I find it hard to call. He was going fine in the third week of the Tour in 2013 so the potential is there physically but whatever about his knee and hip, his mental state must have taken a real battering this week.
gerry12ie

Its hard not to feel for him, as he took an awful battering in the last few days.  I'm sure them mental scars won't heal too quickly - still, he is getting paid an awful lot of money to be considerably tougher than he has shown.  His reward will probably be to start training for the support role in July.  

MJM, not too sure about the Vuelta being the weaker GT these last few years - if I had time and a tin hat I would argue that the last three editions of the Giro were very easily won by not beating an awful lot...

But I haven't, so stand down Bart... Wink
Mrs John Murphy

gerry12ie wrote:
Its hard not to feel for him, as he took an awful battering in the last few days.  I'm sure them mental scars won't heal too quickly - still, he is getting paid an awful lot of money to be considerably tougher than he has shown.  His reward will probably be to start training for the support role in July.  

MJM, not too sure about the Vuelta being the weaker GT these last few years - if I had time and a tin hat I would argue that the last three editions of the Giro were very easily won by not beating an awful lot...

But I haven't, so stand down Bart... Wink


Porte has suffered from the Tom Danielson problem - namely that the anglophone media desperately need an english speaker to be doing something in order to make the race worthwhile, so someone like Porte (like Danielson, Hincapie etc) gets hyped to the stars not on the basis of ability but because he speaks english.

The Vuelta in some years has had a strong field but it's also had the likes of Cobo and Valverde win it.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
But I haven't, so stand down Bart... Wink
LOL .... I'm chomping at the bit over here in Bart Mansions Wink
Biosphere

So Astana to drive it along to the Mortirolo and send Landa up the road or does he have to shepherd Aru? Scheduled to finish earlier anyway today, so if some have had the rest of two men and it's been driven along quickly we might not get so much of the penultimate climb by the time the TV drags itself away from Paris.

Quote:
The Passo del Mortirolo rates as one of the hardest climbs in Italy with regular 12% slopes with added ramps at 18%, all via a series of switchbacks. It is a very tough climb. It’s not the Zoncolan which reduces everyone to private W/kg contest, it’s just a bit easier to mean riders have follow their rivals, to respond to moves. The descent to Monno isn’t as tricky as the climb but still rates as awkward. Then it’s Corteno Golgi again with its leg-sapping 15% slopes before the road eases in Aprica.


gerry12ie

Interesting.  The descent of Aprica broke them all over the road and it looks like Contador had a mechanical just as Katusha took it on.  The MR is about 30" down on Aru and Astana but Contador is down to just Rogers now as an ally.

The Borg still have 5 or 6 around Aru though...
gerry12ie

Not very clear if Astana attacked Contador when he punctured but my Bartali 'fair play antennae' are tingling Confused
gerry12ie

The gap is close to minute now, Astana and Katusha are mullering it up front and Contador has only a clearly tiring Kreuziger for company.  

Contador riding on his own now.
gerry12ie

Landa, Aru and Kruijswijk up front.  Contador under 30" now but Landa looks like he is having real difficulty in a) hanging back for Aru, b) breaking a sweat and c) keeping a straight face.

Aru in trouble now?
Mrs John Murphy

All the fun of the fair.

Is Vino in the car? This sounds like classic Vino.
gerry12ie

Peerless catch by Contador - what a show of strength.  Seriously though, Landa looks like he is on a club run WTF?
gerry12ie

I wouldn't be surprised if Landa lit a fag
gerry12ie

And you will know him by the trail of his dead...

Contador goes, Landa sashays up to him while putting on his makeup, Aru's Giro goes down the toilet.  Meantime, great ride by Kruiswijk...
Mrs John Murphy

LOL Dertie whips out the taunting stick
Mrs John Murphy

LOL Landa and Dertie, Spanish cycling at its finest. Both look like they are out for a club run. SK looks like he is about to have a heart attack.

Landa asking for Vino to get on the phone.
gerry12ie

Aru losing lots of time now.  Hesjedal catching and passing him now.  Kruiswijk doesn't look too bad IMO
Mrs John Murphy

Aru looking like he'll finish with the Porte group.

if Aru is doped he ought to be asking for his money back.
Mrs John Murphy

SK might want to encourage Dertie and Landa to do some work

Is that Bart in the pink Y-fronts with the mask on? Or was Huw misleading us about his holiday?
gerry12ie

Aru will ship two minutes plus on this climb for sure
gerry12ie

Amador riding away from Aru with his podium spot?

I guess if sK is still around for the final the Contador might show a bit of noblesse oblige and maybe give him the stage.  He might have to shove Landa into a ditch first though...
gerry12ie

Trofimov descending beautifully
gerry12ie

Trofimov caught by Hesjedal and Amador Confused he almost caught the leaders on the descent a few kms back.  Mechanical?
Mrs John Murphy

It will be interesting to see if Landa attacks. I can see them spitting SK out the back in about 5 seconds when either Dertie or Landa turns on the afterburners.
Mrs John Murphy

There goes Landa
gerry12ie

Yes MJM it will be interesting to see if Landa attacks alright Laughing the motorbikes can't even keep up with him!
Mrs John Murphy

Do you think Landa is going vroom vroom like Ricco used it?
gerry12ie

Fuck me he has taken 30" seconds already
Mrs John Murphy

To wheelie or not to wheelie
gerry12ie

37" in the space of a couple of kms on not much more than a false flat Rolling Eyes

A revelation

Aru loses 2'50" to Landa
gerry12ie

And that's goodnight from me...
Mrs John Murphy

Is Aru in tears?
Biosphere

Quote:
“We saw that Contador had a problem and Katusha rode the group full gas and we collaborated with them. On the Mortirolo, Fabio didn’t feel very good and he told me to go with Alberto and Kruijswijk. In the last kilometres I saw that they were playing a little bit for winning the stage. I tried and I didn’t know I was so strong.”

Rolling Eyes
Mrs John Murphy

So after all that:

1 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto ESP TCS 65:04:59
2 LANDA MEANA Mikel ESP AST 4:02
3 ARU Fabio ITA AST 4:52
4 AMADOR Andrey CRC MOV 5:48
5 TROFIMOV Yury RUS KAT 8:27
6 KONIG Leopold CZE SKY 9:31
7 CARUSO Damiano ITA BMC 9:52
8 KRUIJSWIJK Steven NED TLJ 11:40
9 GENIEZ Alexandre FRA FDJ 12:48
10 HESJEDAL Ryder CAN TCG 12:49
11 MONFORT Maxime BEL LTS  14:04
12 VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen BEL LTS  15:59
13 VISCONTI Giovanni ITA MOV  19:50
14 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL EQS  22:12
15 MOINARD Amael FRA BMC  26:04

Tomorrow is the: everyone who has had a crappy race trying to get into the break stage.
Nolte

ah, the eurosport highlights started with contador, kruswijk and landa up the road away with 40km. good work Wink
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Landa lit a fag


Just watched the highlights and this pretty much sums it up.

As for Aru ... is everyone still so convinced he is juiced? Is he sick, clean or have they pulled the plug on his juice to stop him glowing in the dark?

Landa ... he's glowing so bright I can see him from Bart mansions!! Rolling Eyes
gerry12ie

Well Aru is still only 24 and I wouldn't have really expected him to have hung with Contador on the big climb.  Once he was dropped he was isolated and rode nearly all the remainder on his own.  He lost just over 2' to Contador and if he had some support he might have kept that under a minute and a half, or even less.  Against the best GT rider of the last 20 years thats probably not too bad all things considered.  

By my reckoning, if Landa had stayed with Aru then Astana would possibly be slightly less than three minutes behind Contador instead of four minutes now.

Of course if Landa had slowed down he probably would have exploded...
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
Of course if Landa had slowed down he probably would have exploded...
LOL bom
Mrs John Murphy

gerry12ie wrote:
Well Aru is still only 24 and I wouldn't have really expected him to have hung with Contador on the big climb.  Once he was dropped he was isolated and rode nearly all the remainder on his own.  He lost just over 2' to Contador and if he had some support he might have kept that under a minute and a half, or even less.  Against the best GT rider of the last 20 years thats probably not too bad all things considered.  

By my reckoning, if Landa had stayed with Aru then Astana would possibly be slightly less than three minutes behind Contador instead of four minutes now.

Of course if Landa had slowed down he probably would have exploded...


Well there are three possibilities -

Aru is sick and not going to recover
Landa rode for himself
Vino tactics - just attack
Mrs John Murphy

after 53 km

M. BANDIERA (13)I. KEISSE (65)G. BERLATO (122).

gap 2.33
Fontfroide

Love the Festina advert i see on my feed.  Murky shot of Virenque with a beard looking cool and elegant, then a shot of watches.  Ten seconds maybe.  

What I wonder is what the conversation was like when they made the advert.  Laughing, cool ironic jokes, or maybe no one thought a thing about it.  Or maybe they just made the ad with the French woman's favourite guy, another ad done..
HuwB

Just watched the Madonna stage.
I've been told by several sources that the race's final week will be a good watch but as for the GC battle? Oh dear.

Already a total 3 horse race between Bertie, Aru and the incredible Astana hordes.
Noticeable, that when their domestiques have finished ripping the legs off the feeble opposition, they still have the gas to ride up the hills just a minute or so down. Not even Postal or the Sky train could manage that.

So, I'm assuming that the final week will be all about them attacking Contador's one man show.
If only Kreuziger had learned his passport fate a few weeks earlier...........
Boogerd_Fan

I had not made that link, but it is interesting one to correlate visibly poor form with the assumption Kreuziger "changed" his preparation.
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Not very clear if Astana attacked Contador when he punctured but my Bartali 'fair play antennae' are tingling Confused


So, currently are mine.
I felt it OK to chase Katusha, who had initiate the attack on the downhill. No problem with any of that.  However, having nullified the Katusha attack and being fully aware that Contador had suffered a mechanical, to then enter a cosy agreement to continue to exploit the situation left a bad taste of old Vino in the mouth.




gerry12ie wrote:
Landa, Aru and Kruijswijk up front.  Contador under 30" now but Landa looks like he is having real difficulty in a) hanging back for Aru, b) breaking a sweat and c) keeping a straight face.

Aru in trouble now?


I'm currently up to this point. I'm not aware how the rest of the week pans out, but so far, the Astana domestique performance seems to get more ridiculous with each passing stage. I'm pretty sure if the team had all raced for the GC, they could have placed 5 or 6 in the top 10.
It's like one big FY to the UCI and WADA.
Fontfroide

A pal of mine posted this account.  I am afraid I didn't know about the Secret Pro before.  In any case an intriguing and thoughtful reflection on the Giro.

Who is he?

[url]
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/06...ays-when-youd-just-despair/[/url]
mazda

I'm sure if you put all the clues together you will arrive at a possibility of zero candidates.

We're pretty sure he is not a real person, just a persona made up to sound off on whatever issues have cropped up. Only a few weeks ago he was bigging up Il Giro and Italy as being better than Le Tour and France - Italy has better food and better Wifi in case you were wondering.
Mrs John Murphy

The thing is that if he is a real person he is a xenophobic hypocrite.

Hates Astana because they are dirty but loves Sky and Contador. Wiggins is amazing and clean.

Brave Richie Porte was punished for being helped by a mate and only because he is an aussie.
mazda

If it is anybody it is Rogers or Lancaster.
And since Orica didn't go to California, then maybe we have our winner.

However I still don't believe it can be a real pro.
Maybe it is all a double-bluff ?
HuwB

Loved Gerry's comments, which I have now read, since I just finished watching the farce............sorry stage.

I'll tell you what this race is beginning to remind me of: The 2004 Vuelta starring Mikel Landa as Santi Perez and Bertie Contador as Roberto Heras.
So, bearing this in mind and that I'm watching the race "in the dark", so to speak,  I'm sensing that this race is far from over.
Landa is now a serious threat for the overall and I'm betting on him to continue to take chunks out of his compatriot's lead.

Astana: The UCI's Qatar.
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:
If it is anybody it is Rogers or Lancaster.
And since Orica didn't go to California, then maybe we have our winner.

However I still don't believe it can be a real pro.
Maybe it is all a double-bluff ?


Haussler?

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