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HuwB

Giro 2014: I Secondi Piatti Stages:- May 17th - May 22nd

I'll get the this thread finished later. Had it all ready to go and FF crashed.Mad

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HuwB

Already had love tv coverage for 15 minutes, so pretty much the whole stage.

Giro 10 leaders - Bandiera, Pirazzi, Quintero, Berard, Cattaneo, Finetto, Vorganov, Quemeneur, Boasson Hagen & Arredondo.

The Sun is shinning!
Boogerd_Fan

Has anyone made a 20 minute comeback to win the Giro or a GT before??

Arredondo going long. Love it.
gerry12ie

All aboard the Movistar train...
Boogerd_Fan

Or not!! Ag2r looking strong
Fontfroide

Just tuned in, looking forward to seeing what we find on the last climb.  I have no idea what that finding might be.  But at least these appear to be real climbs.

My perpetual non-winner, almost man, EBH seems to be strong today.

And could Pierre Rolland finally actually, really win something?  Not my favourite rider by any means, but one day he has to win again.  Neither he nor the Colombian seem to be descending all that fast.  Still, looks like the almost men might do something at this point.  Until the favourites decide to climb fast.  Still, a tiny bit interesting.  Attackers do make things a bit fun.
HuwB

Big loser so far seems to be Boots.
Way down the road.

How much has Arredondo got left?

Imagine if Ag2r had sent their full "A" team? Shocked
Fontfroide

Been a long time since you could depend on a French team to actually do something in a GT.  Now we have the sprinters and the climbers and AG2R.  Very satisfying to an entire nation, as they say.
Fontfroide

On the other hand, the cocorico of the French commentator is starting to bother me already.  Allez Pierre.  Still, I can switch to Sean Kelly if I want.  I rather like Cedric Vasseur though.
Boogerd_Fan

Rolland blew it... this'll be a sprint. Smile

Or??
Bartali

I enjoyed that stage ... Ulissi is developing nicely Smile
HuwB

Well, I picked him for tomorrow, but I wondered about today.
Ulissi bags number 2.
Moreno had it in the bag, except someone had put a glass wall in his way. Laughing

Nice stage that.
No silly, monster climbs. Just Central Italy strutting it's stuff.
Fontfroide

Gee, I had about 35 seconds of bliss as Moreno emerged, but … not enough in the end.  

Rather liked the last climb.  But the thing is, it was a bit like too many other finishes.  Not really the big mountains yet.

Seldom see anyone die quite so suddenly as Moreno, but at least he tried.  Good to see some of the other riders having a bit of sprint at the end.  Never thought it would be Kiserlovski charging at the end.

Hearing about the tragedy, the disappointment, the panache, the heroic effort of Rolland.  Only 300 metres from the end.  I do agree it was a bit of a drag for the French or at least for Europcar.

Ulissi is going to be a popular choice this year if there is a hill at the end, not too long, not too steep.  Could Ulissi be that good?  How come Quintero was never seen, even at the end to get a few seconds.  Is he in shape, seems like anyone can ride faster than him up a hill?
gerry12ie

That was more like it Smile but little major effect on GC.  That was a nasty climb though and particularly tough on Arredondo and Rolland, but Moreno coming to dead halt after his effort shows how variable the gradient was.  

Quintana doesn't quite look like he has it, does he?
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
My perpetual non-winner, almost man, EBH seems to be strong today.
I love your optimism FF ... if only EBH was as consistent as you Smile
gerry12ie

I hadn't planned to watch as much of that stage as I did but I was driven indoors by a vintage comedy moment involving a foot, a rake and a bloody nose Laughing  Laughing

1 Diego Ulissi (Ita) Lampre-Merida 4:47:47
2 Robert Kiserlovski (Cro) Trek Factory Racing
3 Wilco Kelderman (Ned) Belkin Pro Cycling Team 0:00:06
4 Nairo Alexander Quintana Rojas (Col) Movistar Team
5 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:08
6 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Omega Pharma - Quick-Step Cycling Team
7 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale
8 Rafal Majka (Pol) Tinkoff-Saxo 0:00:14
9 Fabio Aru (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:00:17
10 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Garmin Sharp 0:00:20
Boogerd_Fan

Impressive climbing from Kelders again.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
My perpetual non-winner, almost man, EBH seems to be strong today.
I love your optimism FF ... if only EBH was as consistent as you Smile


Yeah, I freely admit that I picked the wrong guy a few years back, and he is always going to win small races, and not quite be good enough.  Stages though, no problem.  Truth is, he is probably a bit like me (very good but not great), except I would give better interviews.  But I have my new favourites emerging all the time anyway, the advantage of betting older while the new riders are always young.
Fontfroide

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Impressive climbing from Kelders again.


Yeah noticed that.  I guess we know he can time trial OK, but I never knew he could climb that well.  Although long steep is not what we had today.  Still, good to see him emerge.  And for you too Boogie, a decent Dutchman finally.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:


Yeah, I freely admit that I picked the wrong guy a few years back, and he is always going to win small races, and not quite be good enough.  Stages though, no problem.  Truth is, he is probably a bit like me (very good but not great), except I would give better interviews.  But I have my new favourites emerging all the time anyway, the advantage of getting older while the new riders are always young.


Very Happy  Very Happy
HuwB

Arredondo managed to ship 3'10" in that closing couple of kms.

A lot of the high mountain climbers distanced before the big mountains are even in sight.
Fontfroide

I do like the stage standings, make things seem normal again, and even a few new names.  I really never noticed Quintana, but maybe he was just following and waiting for some kind of illness to go away.   No one gained anything on him.  And Aru seems to be what he is advertised to be, a new young Italian climber  of quality.

Still if Quintana is going to win he better attack sooner or later, why not tomorrow.  So I suppose he will attack on the last climb.  And others?  Apparently the last climb is not a small ring climb anyway, so maybe nothing will happen.
Boogerd_Fan

Ulissi again tomorrow unless moreno times his cameo appearance better Wink
Fontfroide

Five of the top eight, at this moment, are "young".

Maybe that is a bit unusual.
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Ulissi again tomorrow unless moreno times his cameo appearance better Wink


I wish.
What a fool I am.
After FF figured what I had figured on Moreno, I
was at the point of fping Ulissi, but figured he'd
wait on tomorrow. Now I think he'll be happy to roll over with the front group.
He seems to be a rider who carefully picks his battles.
Not sure he can go back-to-back in GT mountain stages.

My Velo fantasy team may be in tatters, with Martin and Purito out, Scarponi and Niemiec riding like crocks, (7 and and a half and 10 minutes dropped today) but at least I have Dynamic Diego!
(but still dropped down the rankings Embarassed )
Fontfroide

Maybe a good bet for tomorrow will be one of the young guys not too far from the top, who does not have responsibilities for totally dedicated help to an old guy on his team.

But what do I know.  My guy just hit a glass wall as Huw put it.  Although I did rather like the feeling I had for 35 seconds or so.  

I feel Ulissi is part of my family of riders now anyway, anyone who wins on my team or whom I choose, is family.

Just had a vision, as I looked through the young ones and others, that no leaders would ever attack (until the last two k), since the Giro is long and they might fail and better to have seventh place than 15th.  And that the  bold attackers from 20th place and lower would win all the stages.  I hope I am wrong and guys like Quintana, Kelderman, Pozzovivo, Basso (!!!), Majka or Aru or whoever, try to attack and win minutes.

As usual I might be dreaming.
kathy

Looks like the break might get it today!
Beasley

I don't understand why Garmin and Giant are pushing the pace.

The former has Hesjedal, I suppose, but why don't they leave the grunt work to BMC? The latter, I can't fathom.
HuwB

Break putting time into the bunch on the final climb.
Sums up this stage.
Totally back loading GT's: bad idea.
Fontfroide

Without wishing to state the obvious, we have two races today.  First one is nice enough.  The second is not yet happening.  So the scenery is good.  The battle has been postponed.

I predict that someone in the peloton of leaders will attack in the last three k.  Maybe the last two k.  Do I know my cycling?

EDIT.  Not very well it appears.  Semi attacks were earlier.

MORE EDIT.  Actually only Pozzovivo was interested.  Oh well, a bit like an extra semi-rest day for the most of  them.  The peloton decided.
HuwB

Great.
Ulissi wins the bunch effort.
Awful stage, but for Pozzovivo
lifting the collective slumber.
Beasley

A good win by Weening to continue Orica's excellent Giro.

With bonuses, Pozzovivo made up thirty seconds. Up to 4th on GC.
gerry12ie

I thought Weening looked cooked from a bit of a way out but then again I know nothing Jon Snow.  the GC boys look happy enough to let Evans stay out in front but I think if there is chance to make time it should be taken - at least teensy weensy Domenico agrees with me Smile
Boogerd_Fan

Pozzovivo looked good, i thought they would bring him back on the 4km "less steep" bit to the line, but he held a 30s advantage quite well, even with their fake sprint to the line behind Very Happy

Will be interesting to see how much time he will lose in Wk 2 ITT
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Pozzovivo looked good, i thought they would bring him back on the 4km "less steep" bit to the line, but he held a 30s advantage quite well, even with their fake sprint to the line behind Very Happy

Will be interesting to see how much time he will lose in Wk 2 ITT

Exactly, he needed to bank something before the flat TT.
But he should go well on the final one.

Out of the top 10 riders we have to assume Evans has the best TT record, but he is probably past his best in that regard.
Boogerd_Fan

would expect so, although he didn't exactly shine against the clock last year
maffy

on this lumpy flat itt, i'd sm68 quintanana to beat evans. evans' itt has been shite for a while. if evans pulls one out and goes well it's serious and it's his to not-fade.

keldermercx
around 30s
uran uran
10s
quintanana
evans
another 10s or so
diddy domenico
Fontfroide

In case anyone is watching, we got Claudio Chiappucci commentating on
http://www.stream-foot.tv/stream/ch1.php
HuwB

Just watched the final 15kms.
Have to say that having Tyler Farrar in the peloton is a liability.
He crashes far too frequently to have anything to do with luck.
Today, he caused a pile up and some nasty injuries by simply being unable to steer into a corner.
He actually came off on the entrance to the bend, presumably, by locking up and went down on a narrow road in front of the entire, speeding bunch.
Shocker. He should hold his head in shame.
Fontfroide

So does the fact that Zoidl finished 8.10 back, last, mean he loafed in saving his strength for the TT or does it mean he crashed and  is hurt.  This stuff we never know.
maffy

zoidl was wiggtentative on the st5 descent in the damp, which is understandable for a chap coming back from breaking his collarbobbins in stradebianche. pinstripefactoryracing are now all-in for kiserlovski and had zoidl on the front for ages bringing the break back today. bah farrar.
Boogerd_Fan

Samu lost 1m15.... looks like only one in top 25 GC to have missed out from front group
Biosphere

maffy wrote:
. . .  pinstripefactoryracing are now all-in for kiserlovski . . . .


Making me reconsider my FP, but I forgot earlier that it goes through Genoa so I stick with him since I saw him win a race there Smile

I lived in Nervi / Sant'Ilario if it gets shown on TV tomorrow - it will be about 100km to go though so probably not.
gerry12ie

Had a splendid weekend in Genoa once upon a time and I really should have gone back since but just never got around to it.  One day maybe...

This Giro has been a fairly drab affair so far - next week had better make up for it.
gerry12ie

Today's lucky winners (or not) are...

Francesco Bongiorno (Bardiani)
Moreno Moser (Cannondale)
Francis Mourey (FDJ)
Jan Polanc (Lampre)
Yonathan Monsalve (Nero Sottoli)
Perrig Quemeneur (Europcar)
Romain Sicard (Europcar)
Björn Thurau (Europcar)
Georg Preidler (Giant-Shimano)
Daniel Moreno (Katusha)
Eduard Vorganov (Katusha)
Phililp Deignan (Sky)
Nicolas Roche (Tinkoff-Saxo)
Ivan Rovny (Tinkoff-Saxo)

They are pegged at a steady 4.00' though
Boogerd_Fan

Samuel Sanchez has moved to the front of the peloton to set the pace.

<--- wowee, finally earning some BMC $$$
HuwB

China rejoices.
Rogers roasts the rest.

Next year's Giro to start in Sydney. Razz

Ulissi the latest crash victim to crash out of contention.
HuwB

CAS

Malori
Slapshot 3

They look like they've just come from Roubaix!!
Beasley

With Cadel, MM and now Rogers the Australians are having quite a Giro!
HuwB

Slapshot 3 wrote:
They look like they've just come from Roubaix!!


CAS has concussion and can't remember the next 25kms.
As for Malori, looks even worse, here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoLY6mlIAAEm1ho.jpg

Roubaix ain't wrong. Full on, flat out racing, for the entire 250kms.

The other casualties for today being:
19 *de Fabian Wegmann #garmin st11 DNF crash
20 *au Luke Durbridge #greenedge st11 DNF collarbone + sickness
21 *it Davide Appollonio #ag2r st11 Hors Delai #
22 *it Nicola Ruffoni #bardiani st11 Hors Delai
Biosphere

Can't imagine Savio made many friends yesterday, but if it was full on from the go then it wasn't just them I suppose.

The Australian team leader was really cracking his whip getting his team to chase down an Australian at the end. They were highly effective Wink

I did like the camera shot where they crested the bump at high speed and came into view suddenly at the finish.
Bartali

... and Evans trying to get them to slow down while his man gets back on.  What a difference a couple of days makes!!!
HuwB

Wet, wet wet.
Tobias ludvigsson massive crash. Down and out.
Boogerd_Fan

how on earth did Pirazzi manage to make such a good TT?!?! ...

scrap that thought... how did Ulissi just manage that!?! Very Happy
HuwB

Ulissi absolutely crushes the field.
50 seconds faster than TdG. Shocked
HuwB

Evans once again not turned up for the time trial.
All the Italians have, it seems.
Pozzo and Uran looks like the big winners atm.
gerry12ie

Santulissibrogio...
HuwB

Uran smashes the smasher.
Evans out of pink?
Ivan the Terrible.
mazda

Quintana losing 2 minutes to Uran ?
HuwB

Rigoberto Induran. Razz
Evans all at sea and losing big time.
gerry12ie

Uran 1.17 quicker than Ulissi??? Er, wow!
Boogerd_Fan

gerry12ie wrote:
Uran 1.17 quicker than Ulissi??? Er, wow!


well that gap doesn't appear to be to out of the ordinary... except for the fact they are almost 1. and 2. on the stage!!

did Uran get more favourable conditions because roads dried out?
gerry12ie

Should be a bit of sport watching OPQS defend a GT lead Wink
HuwB

Maybe it's time for the Giro to introduce a "crash of the day" prize?
Here's today's winner: poor Tobias Ludvigsson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Res2XDNMP4I

Check out where he is in relation to his crash barrier launch.

CAS was a DNS, too.
Boogerd_Fan

gerry12ie wrote:
Should be a bit of sport watching OPQS defend a GT lead Wink


exactly - still very much in the balance this.

Uran - unknown territory for him now, leading the GT, with all those added pressures, not just riding ghost-like to podium.

Evans - still only 30s back. who knows?

Majka - the powder's been kept dry but he's still in touching distance

Pozzo - would need to attack, but do-able

Kelders - same strategy - but now in top 5, i guess they will play defensively and look to stealthily sneak a podium spot #belkin#21st century tactics

Quintana - he's going to have to light it up Pantani style on multiple days just to get back in the picture before the deciders on Zoncolan/Grappa.
Bartali

Personally I can't see Evans being super competitive in the high mountains. Uran v Majka now.
Biosphere

Shocked by Uran today - where did that type of performance come from? Not just the winning, but the margin. Given that there were 4 OPQS in the top 10, I wouldn't think they need to be too concerned about having a strong enough team to defend the jersey.

The time gaps are probably not yet terminal given the amount of climbing to be done in the next week, but I don't see much chance of Evans back on the top step. Suspect he will be in the position he was last year and fighting it out to remain on the podium.
berck

Biosphere wrote:
Shocked by Uran today - where did that type of performance come from? Not just the winning, but the margin. Given that there were 4 OPQS in the top 10, I wouldn't think they need to be too concerned about having a strong enough team to defend the jersey.



How can you be shocked? You FP'd him. Wink

I'm dumb founded. I didn't think he was that good to beat Evans.
Slapshot 3

Really didnt expect that from Uran valuable time at Sky for Uran. Expected better of Evans, he's done pink is gone straight fight between Uran and majka and if Quintana can get there. Kelderman is hanging in well also
gerry12ie

Any one of the climbers could easily have a bad day in the mountains and lose time but Evans will be gritty.  For sure he won't make time but I wouldn't bet against a podium for him.  I'm more surprised at Ullissi's TT performance than Uran's as his Sky/OPQS schooling should produce a good test.  

More than halfway through and this Giro is finally lighting up...
mazda

The hills were bigger than I had noticed they would be (especially given the nature of the next TT) and other TT experts like Malori were in no fit state to race for the win.

Brambilla's performance was pretty good as well - he's kind of halfway between Ulissi and Pozzovivo in stature.
I still think Uran's was the biggest wow - simply the magnitude of the win.
berck

gerry12ie wrote:
... but Evans will be gritty.  ...


The man knows how to suck a wheel. Wink
mr shifter

berck wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
... but Evans..


The man knows how to suck a wheel. Wink
Uran beat Evans in the TT.
Maybe the answer to your questioning is that Evans had no back wheel to suck on the mountain climb.  Rolling Eyes

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