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HuwB

Giro 2014: I Primi Piatti Stages - May 13th-16th

Thanks to Gerry for the Irish bit.
I'll take it from here.

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Fontfroide

Quite a good "rest day analysis" (beginnings of one anyway) of some of the political and industrial connections of the Ukraine in the Giro world of cycling.
http://inrng.com/2014/05/ukraine-crisis-cycling-connection/#more-19974
Bartali

Hooray ... the Giro starts!! Wink
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
Hooray ... the Giro starts!! Wink


Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
gerry12ie

Fontfroide wrote:
Quite a good "rest day analysis" (beginnings of one anyway) of some of the political and industrial connections of the Ukraine in the Giro world of cycling.
http://inrng.com/2014/05/ukraine-crisis-cycling-connection/#more-19974


That's a great article FF.  Inrng carries some great in-depth, well-reasoned pieces, if it was a magazine I'd buy it.
Biosphere

I saved it for the this mornings train ride. Very interesting. ISD was a sponsor that I never really twigged.

A few shorts to get us back into the swing of things

http://inrng.com/2014/05/giro-shorts/

The worst positioned sprinter prize made me laugh. With regards to the sectarian divisions, I did find it very sad though that someone would bring a massive bomb to a cycle race  Sad
Slapshot 3

Rumours on twitter that Kittel has pulled out the Giro???? Any one heard anything else??
gerry12ie

Yep, CN says he is DNS due to illness

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kittel-abandons-the-giro-ditalia
HuwB

There will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who bought him for their fantasy teams and rejoicing from the rest. (me included! Smile )
mr shifter

Kittel DNS,
Confirmed live on ES.
kathy

Raining again!
HuwB

Milan in 2009, Bari in 2012.
Wet city centre crits just don't fly.
Neutralised race.
Organisers don't learn lessons.

Next up, the Gavi/Stelvio snow fest.
HuwB

Blue skies and drying roads now.
Looks like they are at least thinking about actually racing.
Fontfroide

I think I might slowly lose that bit of interest added by having a team in the race,  Martin gone, Kittel gone.  Still, all we need is Quintana and Rodriguez to pull out and ….

Bit of a shame to see riders leave the race.  Although it happens every time, of course, makes me sad.  

Allez Bouhanni.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
There will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who bought him for their fantasy teams and rejoicing from the rest. (me included! Smile )


Maybe even better (remains to be seen) if any of the rest plumped with Mezgec on the off chance that Kittel had bad luck!
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
There will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who bought him for their fantasy teams and rejoicing from the rest. (me included! Smile )


Maybe even better (remains to be seen) if any of the rest plumped with Mezgec on the off chance that Kittel had bad luck!


That would be me. Wink

They wouldn't have raced this circuit, whatever the weather.
Hopefully, after yet another fail, the penny will drop with the organisers.
HuwB

The left it too late to race.
The rain arrived on the last lap.
Crashes abound.
Bouhanni from Nizzolo
Mezgec nowhere (Veelers)
Fontfroide

All my hopes (for my "team") now pinned on Bouhanni for any sprint.  Still, he has paid off more than anyone, except Kittel.  He should survive until another flat stage.

I just don't like it when a possible major figure leaves the race, for any reason.  Kittel, Martin, and we haven't even got to a climb yet.
Biosphere

Very slow today so if you're recording add plenty of slack.

Viviani and Swift gone in break for bonus seconds and maybe more.
Fontfroide

Seems the action is about to begin, the first moderately serious climb of the Giro.  I am ready.
gerry12ie

Trapped in work but are they really trying to neutralize the stage again?  Ticker seems to suggest so...
Fontfroide

I don't get it why the Pope has not done something about this weather.  One could say that the action we thought might happen at a minor level, is not going to happen on account of the apparently hopeless road surfaces in poor parts of Italy.  No fearless descents today?

I can wait.  The Giro is long.
Fontfroide

How was that for a different "sprint finish"?  I rather liked it as a change from the flat ones with sprinters.  A very fine last two minutes.  I am serious and also a bit ironic.

The leaderboard is beginning to resemble something now.  Matthews at the top is quite a good little feat.  Quintana not visible.  Rodriguez beaten, although without any serious meaning I don't think.  Could this be a year when EBH does well at last?  We need more mountains.

And (although I have to split it with Huw, splutter) I even got a winner.  

The weather here in my neighbourhood, however, is sunny, but excessively windy.  Older riders don't go out in big wind.
mazda

Bonus seconds for Evans ?
gerry12ie

No Giro highlights until midnight again tonight on ESUK Sad  - obviously the 4th GT has bragging rights...

What's a boy to do eh?
maffy

sit atop a cobblestone twiddlin' yer thumbs? Wink
gerry12ie

maffy wrote:
sit atop a cobblestone twiddlin' yer thumbs? Wink


Jaysus, that's not bad going is it? Very Happy

Deignan and de Gendt are slackers...
Fontfroide

Yeah, nice one, Gerry.  I just looked.  Brilliant.

I forgot you can't see the teams of other people in Cobblestone, right?
Slapshot 3

gerry12ie wrote:
maffy wrote:
sit atop a cobblestone twiddlin' yer thumbs? Wink


Jaysus, that's not bad going is it? Very Happy

Deignan and de Gendt are slackers...


Just like when I won Noels Fantasy tour thing in 2012...in the Falklands I hadn't a clue what was happening...it's a nice surprise.   Weel done mate, two weeks to stay there ;0)
HuwB

Late viewing again.
Ulissi the cunning fox, picking Bling's wheel to follow.
A bit surprised how rusty Purito looks.
Not surprised at Cuddles showing up in the first week, never been his problem.

Another pretty beige stage, though.
HuwB

Anybody read Tim Moore's hilarious book: French Revolutions?
This has to be a must:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b042zb4t
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
The leaderboard is beginning to resemble something now.  Matthews at the top is quite a good little feat.  Quintana not visible.  Rodriguez beaten, although without any serious meaning I don't think.  Could this be a year when EBH does well at last?  We need more mountains.

You do live in hope FF Wink

Leaderboard shaping up nicely after the first two days ... Wink
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:

You do live in hope FF Wink



Totally incurable.  Although it IS only a bike race and these guys, including EBH, are just bike riders.  Heroes of course, but riders.  He looks to be in good nick though.
ventoux

HuwB wrote:
Anybody read Tim Moore's hilarious book: French Revolutions?
This has to be a must:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b042zb4t


Gironimo - riding the route of the 1914 Giro...
Don't know if it's any good (haven't listened to any of it yet), but have downloaded the first three epispodes and stored them as mp3's.... I can provide a link to anyone who can't get BBC iPlayer or who wants to download them on a permanent basis (after I've downloaded the remaining two) - just send me a PM....
Beasley

I was surprised Michael Matthews was able to hang-tough with such conviction yesterday.

He's never been just a pure sprinter, but when the big boys went at it I thought he'd be toast.

Still, with Evans lurking at +15s and Uran +19s, today could be the end of the road.
HuwB

The way this has been raced off so far, no reason why he can't hang around again.
Apparently, it's the stage he has set his sights on.

In terms of action and events, this has to rank as one of the worst first weeks of any Giro.
Absolutely nothing of note in the past two hours.
HuwB

13kms to go and still nothing has happened.
HuwB

Serious crash has left Caruso seriously hurt and several other out.
The result is that BMC and Matthews (just 8 riders) are away and free and the rest scattered to the 4 winds.

Purito looks done.
Boogerd_Fan

That was horrible. Absolute carnage. Jrod looks totally shellshocked
HuwB

Going to a very serious casualty list after this.
Pirazzi having to be pushed up the hill.
Bodies ripped up. It's like a war zone.
Boogerd_Fan

Kelderman and matthews very impressive
HuwB

Those who have lost the Giro today.
JRod
Scarponi
Niemiec

and still counting......
gerry12ie

Yikes!  Sounds grim alright, but I can't see how these GT first weeks will ever change from the crash fests they have become if everyone insists on trying to ride at the front.  Was only chatting at the weekend about how the only race advice I have heard anyone give at club level was 'ride up the front, but not on the front'.  It also seems to be the base template for pro racing as well and crashes like that, sadly, will continue as a result.

I guess any phony wars are out the window now and that it's game on for the remaining fortnight...
Boogerd_Fan

7m23 is jrod's damage.
Fontfroide

Missed it, just got in from a walk.  Sounds like I would have been upset, I don't like crashes and riders being eliminated already.  Especially if I have picked them on one of my teams.  Now I will look for some replays.

Suddenly the GC looks strange.  Oh my.
Boogerd_Fan

Fortunately the cameras missed the main pile up at the roundabout focusing on a movistar guy and brajkovic falling off the road at back of peloton. They scrolled back up road to see bodies laid out everywhere
Fontfroide

I guess I need to do a bit of research to find out exactly why they build roads in that part of Italy which are so utterly slippery when it rains.  Seems worse than in some places.
mazda

You might have thought the main peloton would have closed the gap a bit more than they did. They even lost time at the end.

edit - just watched it on Youtube.
I guess it is a fact of life that the leading group always has more cooperation than the chasing group.

I agree with FF.
Is there a fundamental problem with some of the roads when they get wet ? Is it because they are newly surfaced ?
HuwB

Far worse, GC wise than I first thought.
15-20 minutes lost by some.

From a race standpoint, it's a disaster.
The wasn't an over abundance of GC candidates to start with.
Now, it's already looking like a 3 horse race.
The double threat to Evans of Purito and Qunitana is also gone.
I expect the Spaniard to pull out and re-group for Le Tour.

As for sparking an attack fest, with many ex-GC boys now so far back,
it's going to have to be a break fest, unfortunately.

Worse yet is the Italian weather forecast. Very unsettled for at least another week.
Who knows what further farcical accidents await further up the road?
It could become a dead rubber by the week three grand finale.

As for the right or wrong of BMC's action , I can't help but think back to Luz Ardiden
in 2003 and think: "Why not then?"
Beasley

I don't know a lot about the intricacies of the Italian climate, but the worst roads to ride on are those that are usually dry but have just received a downpour.

Rains washes the roads; it sweeps away all the oil and debris that accumulates.

In the UK and Ireland, where we get rain practically every other day, the gunk neither have time to accumulate in great quantity nor gets grounded into the crevasses that occur within the tarmac. So, when the rains comes, what little there is gets swept to the gutter.  

In drier climates, where they may only get a couple of days rain a month, not only do you get 10+ days of build up but all the oil and grease gets embedded within the road surface. Therefore, when it gets wets, it just get slippery and stays put rather than being cleared from the surface.
HuwB

Velorooms is good at updating the casualty list and it is potentially bad.
Rai report Purito has broken rib/s and won't start. In hospital along with Caruso and Vicioso.
Tuttobici is reporting from 1st injury check that Scarponi probably won't start.
Sky DS has said that Ben Swift is doubtful.
(Ben Swift by some way, last man home, so I guess it's true that he won't start, either.)

Along with:
DNF
CARUSO Giampaolo
VICIOSO ARCOS Angel
BRAJKOVIC Janez
VILLELLA Davide
gerry12ie

I was on the ticker in work so I hadn't realised how drastic some of the losses were until now.  Unfortunately I will have to wait until midnight for the ES highlights or maybe stream the Sky highlights at half ten.  Certainly there doesn't seem too much point in Rodriguez carrying on, especially as Moreno is the best placed Katusha at nearly six minutes down and they also lost Vicioso and Caruso.  Roche lost a bucket of time as well, as did Kruiswijk and Brajkovic didn't make it home.

Tough old game this...
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
As for the right or wrong of BMC's action , I can't help but think back to Luz Ardiden in 2003 and think: "Why not then?"


I haven't seen it yet, but from the race reports this is the thought that was going through my mind!  Were the eight in the peloton ... but in front of the crash?  If so ... then my first impression is disgraceful!!
Beasley

I only had one eye on it, but it looked fair enough to me. They were in one group, but it was clear they were 'racing'.

Movistar died by their own sword.

One a more serious note, it took a fair while for the ambulances and medical personnel to get through to the downed riders.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
As for the right or wrong of BMC's action , I can't help but think back to Luz Ardiden in 2003 and think: "Why not then?"


I haven't seen it yet, but from the race reports this is the thought that was going through my mind!  Were the eight in the peloton ... but in front of the crash?  If so ... then my first impression is disgraceful!!


It was a carbon copy of the neutralised stage, in so far that they swanned around for so, so long when the roads were dry and had only started to race, soon after the roads became wet, just 1km before the disaster.
To that extent, those 8 were driving on the front.

Brajkovic broken elbow.

No news as yet on Roche, Arredondo, Pirazzi, Kruisjwick and a load of others who came in, 15-25 minutes down.
Boogerd_Fan

Bart - the peloton was together.. the 8 who "escaped" were simply those in front of the initial guy to hit the deck

Kruisjwijk taken to hospital, no news on Belkin website yet.
HuwB

Stage winner and giro leader, Michael Matthews, (who was prominent in neutralizing the Bari stage and had a bit of an altercation with others wishing to race) is now claiming he also tried to neutralize today's finish, but BMC were having none of it.
Might be believable were it not for the fact that he had a team mate on the front going full gas.

Obviously, he knows he'll be seeing Luca Paolini in the morning.
HuwB

Majka fell heavily. Also now being reported as a probable non starter tomorrow by Danish and Polish tv.

Medical report release:

Quote:
At km 246, crash involving several riders. The following athletes were taken to the hospital by ambulance to undergo x-ray investigations; here are the results of the examinations they underwent:

   N° 183 Giampaolo Caruso (KAT): contusive trauma of the left femur and multiple abrasions.
   N° 188 Angel Vicioso Arcos (KAT): displaced, comminuted fracture of the right femur, contusive trauma of the left hip.
   N° 4 Janez Brajkovic (AST): displaced fracture of the left elbow.
   N° 68 Davide Villella (CAN): contusive trauma of the left shoulder, abrasions of the right knee; he underwent a TC scan, which revealed a micro-fracture of the left shoulder.

After the end of the stage, the following riders underwent x-ray investigations; here are the results of the examinations they underwent:

   N° 181 Joaquin Rodriguez Olivier (KAT): fracture of the first finger of the left hand, fracture of the eighth and ninth left ribs.
   N° 154 Brett Lancaster (OGE): spiral fracture of the 4th metacarpus of the right hand.
   N° 122 Andrey Amador Bikkazakova (MOV): trauma and spraining of the cervical spine.
   N° 43 Rick Flens (BEL): contusive trauma of the left elbow, fracture of the base of the nail phalanx of the second right finger.
   N° 31 Stefano Pirazzi (BAR): contusive trauma of the left elbow and hip.

The following riders were medicated after the race:

   N° 14 Maxime Bouet (ALM), who sustained multiple bruises and abrasions to his right side and a lacerated wound of the right tibial region.
   N° 191 Dario Cataldo (SKY) for multiple abrasions to his left pelvis.


Will this eventually become known as The Second Battle of Montecassino, I wonder?
gerry12ie

Its unfair to comment without having seen it but it sounds like it might be a little similar to the 'Black Friday' crash at TDF a couple of years ago (stage 6 I think) that wiped out a big number and half of Garmin, except this was nearer home.  Unfortunately, there isn't a GC patron with the status that Boonen and Cancellara have in the classics, and there hasn't been since Armstrong really.

If, and thats a big if, someone was going to put their hand up and calm things down until the information came through then maybe Evans might have been the most obvious candidate.

If Majka is out then that's Saxo and Katusha effectively out of the race. Shame.
ventoux

gerry12ie wrote:
Its unfair to comment without having seen it but it sounds like it might be a little similar to the 'Black Friday' crash at TDF a couple of years ago (stage 6 I think) that wiped out a big number and half of Garmin, except this was nearer home.  Unfortunately, there isn't a GC patron with the status that Boonen and Cancellara have in the classics, and there hasn't been since Armstrong really.

If, and thats a big if, someone was going to put their hand up and calm things down until the information came through then maybe Evans might have been the most obvious candidate.

If Majka is out then that's Saxo and Katusha effectively out of the race. Shame.


I haven't seen it yet either, but this quote from CN's race report....
Quote:
"Evans, who always demands to ride near the front and to be protected by his teammates, was in the right place and quickly realised he had a chance to gain time on his overall rivals. The race was on and so there was no thought about slowing for the crash victims. Evans' teammates Daniel Oss and Steve Morabito hit the front and worked to ensure the move stayed clear."
kathy

I did see today's stage, what a disaster!  In retrospect, if, as is now obvious, those in front knew about the carnage behind, then they should have neutralised the stage.  And as the senior rider of the 8, that should have been Evans' responsibility.  It's a pity, I was beginning to have some respect for him, after years of considering him a wheelsucker.
Slapshot 3

kathy wrote:
I did see today's stage, what a disaster!  In retrospect, if, as is now obvious, those in front knew about the carnage behind, then they should have neutralised the stage.  And as the senior rider of the 8, that should have been Evans' responsibility.  It's a pity, I was beginning to have some respect for him, after years of considering him a wheelsucker.


What Kathy said ^^^^
Biosphere

Just caught up a bit ago. What a crap day. Disappointed in Evans, whilst suspecting that if  it had been say Movistar in his shoes, they would have done the same. Still, it was him doing it today, so no point in being hypothetical about other teams.

Matthews is lying if he says he didn't want to go for it.
Bartali

Well Evans has Giro form in that regard ... like when he attacked Nibali when there was a big crash on the strade bianchi.  Still not seen it but it seems that the sport has changed for the worse ...

List of casualties looks awful Sad
gerry12ie

Poor, poor show by BMC today - and the race leader.

We are constantly told that the primary purpose of radios is for rider safety, and that was exposed a load of bollocks today.  The camera lingered for a distastefully long time on poor Caruso while all the time team cars (equipped with radios) threaded their way through riders strewn across the road, presumably to get up in support of their riders who were carrying on racing.  I won't for a second believe that the front group didn't know what had happened and they could have easily sat up and waited for another day.  Except they didn't - and as the senior rider Evans should have taken responsibility.

A proper champion should want to win on the road, not in triage.  Evans has gone down in my estimation after that, and Mathews with him.

At least it looks like Majka will start tomorrow, although BMC might decide to put the hammer down and get rid of the rest of the walking wounded... Twisted Evil
Biosphere

The GC GC. Majka rode on someone else's bike so he is OK it seems.

2 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:21
3 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Omega Pharma - Quick-Step Cycling Team 0:01:18
4 Rafal Majka (Pol) Tinkoff-Saxo 0:01:25
7 Ivan Santaromita (Ita) Orica Greenedge 0:01:47
10 Ivan Basso (Ita) Cannondale 0:02:06
11 Nairo Alexander Quintana Rojas (Col) Movistar Team 0:02:08
12 Wilco Kelderman (Ned) Belkin Pro Cycling Team 0:02:11
14 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale
16 Robert Kiserlovski (Cro) Trek Factory Racing 0:02:24
17 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:02:28
18 Samuel Sanchez (Spa) BMC Racing Team 0:02:34
24 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar 0:03:01
26 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre-Merida 0:03:13
39 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Garmin Sharp 0:04:39
50 Sebastian Henao Gomez (Col) Team Sky 0:06:15
60 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver (Spa) Team Katusha 0:09:40
80 Nicolas Roche (Irl) Tinkoff-Saxo 0:15:55
106 Julian David Arredondo Moreno (Col) Trek Factory Racing 0:19:50

Was mulling it over on this morning's bike ride and it did occur to me that if Evans has been clean throughout his career, then he's been deprived of Tour wins and so on by those that weren't. Maybe he feels entitled to take his chances and this will be one of the last he gets.
Boogerd_Fan

Doping status is irrelevant in my view... over last 15 years evans has had his fair share of bad luck and riders carrying on.... this was karma in a way for all those times. I am sure he feels lucky to have been high enough up front to miss the carnage behind.

As Matthews said post race.... 4 lanes of riders had to become 1 through the roundabout and after first riders the rest just didnt make it!

Part of racing. I would have preferred them to wait for the main chasers... maybe thats the honorable thing. But i can fully understand why evans did not initiate that. He has been on the other end of that situation enough times not to owe any favours
SlowRower

gerry12ie wrote:
We are constantly told that the primary purpose of radios is for rider safety, and that was exposed a load of bollocks today.  

... the time team cars (equipped with radios) threaded their way through riders strewn across the road, presumably to get up in support of their riders who were carrying on racing.  I won't for a second believe that the front group didn't know what had happened and they could have easily sat up and waited for another day.


I'm confused as to your point here.

Are you saying that the crash is evidence that radios aren't a safety aid? Surely you'd need a long term study of accidents per rider-miles with and without radios in similar conditions to conclude on this.

Or are you saying that because of having radios, the lead riders should have been informed to slow down? This seems more to do with ethics than safety
SlowRower

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Part of racing.


I'd agree with this. Whilst I would always prefer riders to stay upright, crashing is an occupational hazard of bike racing. The onus is on the organisers to design sensible courses rather than the riders to stop racing. Ultimately, doing the honourable thing is a nice idea but doesn't pay the mortgage.
gerry12ie

SlowRower wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
We are constantly told that the primary purpose of radios is for rider safety, and that was exposed a load of bollocks today.  

... the time team cars (equipped with radios) threaded their way through riders strewn across the road, presumably to get up in support of their riders who were carrying on racing.  I won't for a second believe that the front group didn't know what had happened and they could have easily sat up and waited for another day.


I'm confused as to your point here.

Are you saying that the crash is evidence that radios aren't a safety aid? Surely you'd need a long term study of accidents per rider-miles with and without radios in similar conditions to conclude on this.

Or are you saying that because of having radios, the lead riders should have been informed to slow down? This seems more to do with ethics than safety


The team cars that were coming through the crash zone could clearly see that it was a serious pile up.  The cars were making their way through riders that were on the deck and other riders that were clearly struggling to continue (Rodriguez was nursemaided home, Pirazzi was pushed home by a team-mate) and others who were simply a bloody mess.  Now, if safety is the paramount reason for the continued existence of radios should the safety extend to the whole of the peloton?  

Obviously not as BMC themselves revealed with Samu's interview...

Quote:
The thing is when somebody at the front of the bunch crashes, then everybody crashes. And almost everybody did crash, apart from 10 or 12 riders.

Then the problem isn’t that you crash yourself, I don’t tend to have crashes, it’s when somebody rides into you from behind and they make you fall. When there’s a crash like that, you’ve nowhere to go, the guys ahead go down, the ones behind hear it happening and that’s it. But I’ve never crashed so many times in such a short period of time in a Grand Tour.

But hey, I got through. I was one of the lucky ones. There’s nothing broken. I could get up quickly, saw my bike was all right and I went on. My radio was still working, and then in those circumstances you’re all talking, asking questions and answering, all 19 to the dozen - ‘who’s fallen? who’s ahead? who’s behind? Cadel’s ahead? ok, ok, keep going, keep going, watch out at the entrance to Cassino, it [the road surface] is bad, stay focused, the road’s still slippery’ - then I just kept going.


Just because Evans or anyone else has has been on the receiving end in the past doesn't make it alright.  It looked shabby because it was...
SlowRower

gerry12ie wrote:
Now, if safety is the paramount reason for the continued existence of radios should the safety extend to the whole of the peloton?


Gotcha...

Once a crash has happened though, the best thing from a safety viewpoint is to clear the way for the medics.

The key safety issue this crash raises - again - is course design. This seems like a much better area for the UCI to focus on than radios if they want to improve safety. The teams would doubtless support this, as they don't like losing riders to crashes. If memory serves, though, the radio ban is about promoting more exciting racing rather than improving safety.

I'd agree that the claim that rider safety is the prime reason for radios is a tad disingenuous. The prime reason any pro cycling team does anything is to exploit a tactical/performance/financial advantage either for the current race or a race in the future. The prime reason for team radios is clearly this and it's also clear that the teams are using a bit of emotional blackmail by the reference to safety to try and keep using them.
Boogerd_Fan

Watching again this morning... the ambulance was busy peeling brajkovic off the curb.... during th e time caruso was waiting... maybe explaining why it took so long for doc to reach xaruso as they werent on location?

I agree gerrie's point about the cars is valid. Very disruptive to see them slalom through broken riders and bikes. Maybe a result of the parked car on other side roundabout?
HuwB

End of the road for Angel Vicioso.
The Katusha rider has been forced to retirement, due to sustaining a triple fracture of the leg, yesterday.

Maxine Mederel of Europcar, the first abandon of the day.
No doubt, not the last.

My opinion of yesterday. Evans did nothing wrong, but he could have done something right.
Given that he was so bitter and outspoken when left behind during a Vuelta summit finish, having sustained a puncture, but while the race was on, it does seem he expects better treatment than he himself is prepared to offer.
mazda

Most of the teams would seem to be of the same opinion, that nothing wrong was done.

I think you need to be careful about setting a precedent by "doing the right thing".
In what respects is it the right thing ?

Lots of other professional sports have elements of luck that don't get rescinded by the participants taking extraordinary action.
In cycling, accidents (however painful and underserved they are) are one of the most common ways that luck can enter the equation.
To continually "bring out the safety car" on those occasions would sanitise the racing even further.
gerry12ie

I'm glad I'm only following this on ticker Confused

Vive la Tour Wink
HuwB

Well, another monumentally mediocre stage ticked off.
I have come to the same conclusion as many in the peloton: Bouhanni is a nut case.
Tried to jump onto Mezgec's little train with the help of the odd head nudge.
Great solo effort from Veelers, but the French flyer and Nizzolo just that bit faster.

I'm getting more and more annoyed with Bling. His team did sod all again until the break was caught. Then he expects to sprint. Not cricket for a race leader.
HuwB

Quintana loses 23 seconds
Something tells me it's not going to happen.
Boogerd_Fan

they must have heard the sighs of failure... commisaires reversed the decision, same time.
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
But i can fully understand why evans did not initiate that. He has been on the other end of that situation enough times not to owe any favours

Receiving end ... maybe he's been on the receiving end once or twice because he's always been doing it to others! This is certainly not the first time he's done it by any means.

If this is the new norm then the sport has changed for the worse.  Shabby shabby shabby!

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