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HuwB

Giro 2014: Dolce,Cafe and lots of Grappa! May 29th-1st June

So, to the sting in this giro's tail.

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HuwB

Although you won't find Eurosport taking it, most of stage 18 should have live tv coverage,
judging from Rai Sport 2's schedule.
Bartali

Video for me tomorrow ... then live for Fri and Sat!! Smile
HuwB

Underway, so no strike. No time penalty for Quintana, Rolland or Ryder.
gerry12ie

Ventoux's local lad Deignan in the break again I see.  He is having a prominent Giro, good luck to him.
HuwB

Will wonders never cease? Eurosport coverage arrived a full hour early.
(only to find that nothing much is happening)
Fontfroide

We should get two races again today.  Stage and the GC.  I am happy.
Fontfroide

Vasseur picked Duarte earlier.  His partner Immanuel something picked Deignan.

Vasseur reckons the attacks from the main group will come at five k.

Edit… They made their picks from the group of fourteen escapees.  Not so impressed with that at all.  they like their picks and how they do as much as I do.
gerry12ie

Come on sausage boy!  He deserves a stage doesn't he?
Fontfroide

Sausage boy?  Go on give me a hint.

Love this two races in one, just love it.
Fontfroide

Never mind, must be Deignan, but why sausage?  Must be something Irish.
HuwB

Somebody is owning the Giro fps, these days. Wink
Slapshot 3

Bugger...that's what I get for being clever and changing an FP!!!!
gerry12ie

Fontfroide wrote:
Never mind, must be Deignan, but why sausage?  Must be something Irish.


Nope, de Gendt.  He doesn't watch what he eats too carefully...
HuwB

The cycling world seems to love the Colombian collective, but to my mind they are a bunch of work shy opportunists.
1 did 2 today, did virtually zero pulling at any time.
They are always to be found either sitting on the back, or shooting off the front.
Fontfroide

Of course sometimes they sit in about third or forth position ready to shoot off the front. Wink

Me, I like when there are new young stars or even older maturing ones.  I also like when there are attacks.  So for me Rolland gets a few points today, but the Colombians DO attack.

As for the word "opportunist" … I know it has a bad meaning for many, but in fact, it also means that someone has to hang about close enough to the front, keep up with everyone at the front, and then dart out to pick up the points or the victory.  I know that one is supposed to "deserve" a victory by doing an "equal" amount of being the the front.  But in most cases, the guy in the front pulling, is a team-mate of the guy who is sitting a little further back.

I don't want to be in a position to defend opportunism as a daily objective for all, nor do I want to claim that the only way to win a big victory is to be in the front all day, or most of the day, or even a good proportion of the day.  There are "workers" who do that, and the boss gets the glory, just as in our society.

So overall, I am happy with the Colombians, especially when I pick one to win the stage and he does it.  Laughing
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
The cycling world seems to love the Colombian collective, but to my mind they are a bunch of work shy opportunists.
1 did 2 today, did virtually zero pulling at any time.
They are always to be found either sitting on the back, or shooting off the front.
Yup!!

Suspicious or not ... I like this Aru lad.  He's prepared to have a go. Hope he doesn't fall apart in the TT tomorrow.
Fontfroide

I agree about Aru.  Actually all anyone has to do to make me happy is be fairly good and to attack with some frequency.  I don't care if they win, I just find a b it tedious to watch the top ten riders in a GT ride up a hill together and and attack in the last kilometre.  That's why I liked the race yesterday, people moving about attacking here and there.  Something to watch.  I am, after all a spectator in front of the TV.
HuwB

Eurosport are stuck, mid Federer match.
No live coverage until almost the end of the TT, I would guess.
Bartali

Umm ... great day to be sat in front of the telly.  Why is it that cycling always suffers ... every time its the cycling! ARGH
HuwB

Eurosport are going to the cycling when the Djokovic match finishes.
In the meantime, this RAI link is still working fine:

http://alfatv.webs.com/
HuwB

Eurosport have had to leave the Federer match in order to catch this ITT.
Hard luck tennis fans, only 20 hours of live coverage, today. Rolling Eyes
Biosphere

Interesting that Rolland went with road bike from the off. Aru went with TT for the flat opening section.
HuwB

Kelderman is toast.
Fontfroide

Light rain falling after the nap, so I keep to my rule of never going out when it is actually raining.  Hoping the cloud will go away about the time the ITT is finished.  A shorter ride at least.

Who exactly, other than his brother, is this other Henao?  Is he gonna be as good?

In fact, what happened with Henao anyway, haven't read much lately.
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
The cycling world seems to love the Colombian collective, but to my mind they are a bunch of work shy opportunists.
1 did 2 today, did virtually zero pulling at any time.
They are always to be found either sitting on the back, or shooting off the front.
Yup!!

Suspicious or not ... I like this Aru lad.  He's prepared to have a go. Hope he doesn't fall apart in the TT tomorrow.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HuwB

Yes Gerry.
Aru a minute faster than Pozzo at the 2nd TP?
Nothing to see here...........................
Fontfroide

Aru looks exceedingly impressive.  Very smooth.
gerry12ie

Aru might at least stop a Colombian 1-2-3
Fontfroide

On the other hand, we're looking good, eh Huw?
Can't say I like the bar tape and even the full regalia in Pink.  Although I do understand.

Actually I like it more and more.

Edit ….  Spoke too soon, must be more patient and not be greedy.
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
On the other hand, we're looking good, eh Huw?
Can't say I like the bar tape and even the full regalia in Pink.  Although I do understand.

Actually I like it more and more.


Not that good.
Aru is going to win this, I reckon.
Looks like he's going to launch into space at the top of the mountain.
gerry12ie

Aru makes the catch on Majka, Pozzo catches Hesjedal
Fontfroide

Aru has looked better every time I saw him.  Good speed, nice smooth pedalling.  Good for him.

My coverage hardly ever shows Uran.
gerry12ie

Pozzo smashes it by a minute, but only Quintana can stop Aru.  At the current rate Quintana might catch Uran...
gerry12ie

Well fuck me
Boogerd_Fan

did i just read correctly that Aru has smashed even Pozzo's time by 2mins, who himself had smashed the rest by a minute?

big big time gaps!! and tomorrow will be same too!
HuwB

2 Minutes over Pozzo.
Victor Meldrew sums up my thoughts.
Fontfroide

Yesss!
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
Yesss!


Predicted 2 minutes, actually 17 seconds.
Take out Aru and much closer to predictions.

Let's hope we get those data files, like last week.

Aru to take Uran's spot tomorrow. 40 seconds on the Zoncolan is about
a 10 metres gap. Very Happy
gerry12ie

Looks like the arms race is back on...
Fontfroide

I hope you are all totally wrong and everything is clean.  But I would, would I not.  I still have my naivete that I had forty years ago, when I didn't even know that anyone "owned" the Tour and that it was a business.

But if he gets caught ...
gerry12ie

Nobody gets caught anymore FF - they all stopped doping in 2006 remember?  Ricco - only Ricco gets caught... Wink
Slapshot 3

Apparently....

Stage 19 (ITT). Monte Grappa (19.30 km, 7.97 %, 1538 m) Nairo Quintana: 55:03, 21.04 Kph, VAM 1676 m/h, 5.99 W/kg [DrF]

Stage 19 (ITT). Monte Grappa (19.30 km, 7.97 %, 1538 m)
Fabio Aru: 55:04, 21.03 Kph, VAM 1676 m/h, 5.99 W/kg [DrF]

Stage 19 (ITT). Monte Grappa (19.30 km, 7.97 %, 1538 m)
Rigoberto Uran: 56:45, 20.41 Kph, VAM 1626 m/h, 5.81 W/kg [DrF]


The dr Ferrari method....as if that's not flawed in any way... ;0)
HuwB

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Apparently....

Stage 19 (ITT). Monte Grappa (19.30 km, 7.97 %, 1538 m) Nairo Quintana: 55:03, 21.04 Kph, VAM 1676 m/h, 5.99 W/kg [DrF]

Stage 19 (ITT). Monte Grappa (19.30 km, 7.97 %, 1538 m)
Fabio Aru: 55:04, 21.03 Kph, VAM 1676 m/h, 5.99 W/kg [DrF]

Stage 19 (ITT). Monte Grappa (19.30 km, 7.97 %, 1538 m)
Rigoberto Uran: 56:45, 20.41 Kph, VAM 1626 m/h, 5.81 W/kg [DrF]


The dr Ferrari method....as if that's not flawed in any way... ;0)


'Tis consistent with Astana's release of Aru's data file, last week.
VAM 1647m/h, 5.85 W/kg

I've calmed down a bit now, and que sera sera and al that, but I think they are pushing the envelope back up at 6 watts for 55 minutes.
Goodness knows what comedy we'll see at Le Tour.
Bartali

Putting aside the 'surprise' results I actually found that quite exciting.

Now Aru's ride was certainly extraordinary ... but Quintana put 20 seconds into Aru in about a km without a grimace ... now that was extraordinary.

MTT are so rare its difficult to compare, so I'm not sure how 5.99w/kg for a single climb compares to the third climb of the day?  

But back to this weeks fiasco on the Stelvio ... could/would Quintana have put all that time into the others were it not for the 'misunderstanding'!!  Race defining moment and still leaves a sour taste ...
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:
Nobody gets caught anymore FF - they all stopped doping in 2006 remember?  Ricco - only Ricco gets caught... Wink

Danilo in 2013.  Exclamation
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:
 

But back to this weeks fiasco on the Stelvio ... could/would Quintana have put all that time into the others were it not for the 'misunderstanding'!!  Race defining moment and still leaves a sour taste ...

Perhaps he has a better Alarm Clock and wide awake to know Rigoberto was still asleep at the back of those riders crossing the top. Yawn
Bartali

Perhaps he attacked when the race radio said no attacking ... and that's beyond dispute.  We know exactly what race radio said and we know Rolland said he attacked.  No point blaming the teams/riders that obeyed the instruction.  The blame lies with Rolland/Quintana or the organisers/commissars ... or both.
berck

Bartali wrote:
Perhaps he attacked when the race radio said no attacking ... and that's beyond dispute.  We know exactly what race radio said and we know Rolland said he attacked.  No point blaming the teams/riders that obeyed the instruction.  The blame lies with Rolland/Quintana or the organisers/commissars ... or both.


Well, one way to stop these things from happening is to put rules in that if people do attack when they aren't suppose to, they get docked a couple of minutes for the infraction. The problem this time though is that the Giro organizers haven't been consistent in the message as to what was suppose to happen.
Bartali

I agree that the organisers have handled this very badly, but at the end of the day pretty much everyone understood it to mean the same thing and Movistar and Eurocar would have realised that they were the outliers very quickly and so could have come in to line.  That is what I would have expected ... but then again I still believe in the concept of fair play etc.

If you accept that it is reasonable for Quintana/Rolland to deliberately exploit a poor communication like this when they clearly knew the intention (or would have done very quickly) then where does it stop?  Attacking during comfort breaks or where your opposition has a mechanical?  taking on food in the last Xkm etc.
HuwB

The corrected for weight figures are:
Quintana 6.2W/kg
Aru 6.12W/kg (mine, not that twitter bloke)

No wonder Sky don't give out into.

Today's weather forecast: Rain and cloud all over Italy.....................
.............except for the Dolomites, where it is beautiful; warm and sunny. Smile
Bartali

Well if Quintana is legit then I don't see why Aru couldn't be ... But, I'm deeply suspicious of Quintana, Aru and Froome.  Of the top men, only Nibali seems credible these days IMO
mr shifter

I really don't give a Frig as this has been one of the best GT's this layabout has seen.
Nobody seems to be whinging about the half dozen riders on stage 6.
The race looked a bit sick for a few days after that.

The UCI made a decision about stage 16 which is now history and whinging about it isn't going to change it.

Velo News wrote:
Vegni also said no sport director contacted any Giro officials or UCI commissaires indicating possible confusion, adding that, “sport directors know only to listen to race radio, not follow what is said on Twitter.”

Red Flags in Italy mean "Danger" and the motorbike signals a dangerous hairpin approaching.  Exclamation

In the meantime Tom Boonen won the first 2 stages of the Tour of Belgium and yesterday his team mate Tony Martin won the TT and now leads the race.

Be Lucky
HuwB

Poor form from RAI. Almost at the top of the Pura before we get live pictures.
No the stuff of epic Saturdays.
gerry12ie

So the race organisers put Kenny de Haes out of the race for two mechanicals yesterday with no support car in sight, but do SFA about stage 16?  Pfft...






Giro di merda sounds right...
gerry12ie

Wellens looks like another good one for the future
gerry12ie

Anyone fancy the break to stick? I'll commit early and say maybe...
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
Anyone fancy the break to stick? I'll commit early and say maybe...


I would totally agree with a firm maybe as well.   Laughing

The only thing that would be really good is a big surprise.  And a couple of good races in one day.
Fontfroide

Looks seriously steep, just like it says on the tin.  Watching the group in front fall apart was a little dramatic.
gerry12ie

More idiots on mountains Twisted Evil
gerry12ie

Poels breaks them up a bit
gerry12ie

Rodgers using the 'Cobo' gearing? Wink
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
More idiots on mountains Twisted Evil


Of course they have been drinking as well.  Young lads (or old) plus booze, plus sun = we shall see.  Nice clothes though, but not as creative as the Tour.
gerry12ie

A clown nearly ruins Boungiornos day out
Fontfroide

Rainbow idiot.  You can more or less tell that someone who buys a jersey of the world champion and wears it, is a little bit unbalanced or strange.  Maybe costs the stage to Bongiorno.  Bit of a shame.  In fact, more than that.  The guy should be kneecapped.

Edit  And rainbow idiot keeps up his activities when Quintana passes.  Must be drunk.
gerry12ie

Mighty Zoncolan tamed by a TT'er!
Boogerd_Fan

LOLLL.. what a reward for winning... a big daddy hug from Oleg Tinkov after collapsing on the line Very Happy
Fontfroide

No changes, no surprises.  Guess it is really a hill that does not invite battles of a grand sort, just too steep.
Boogerd_Fan

Fontfroide wrote:
No changes, no surprises.  Guess it is really a hill that does not invite battles of a grand sort, just too steep.


the gaps appear.. but its purely a war of attrition. sometimes it is just too steeep.

anyway - after the Hill TT the juicy prospect of 9 guys fighting for the final podium spot was blown away in Aru's ride... so there was very little riding on today unfortunately.
HuwB

I actually left the stage to watch George play in the Aviva premiership final and was reward with a Northampton win! Very Happy

As for the mighty Zoncolan, after a handful of visits, I'm beginning to find it mighty tedious.
Attacking on those gradients is about as possible of riding away from the Sky tour train, except it's all played out in slow motion.

As for growing crowds of idiots that gather on these and other slopes for their fancy dress parties, I despair.
Surely, not a true cycling fans amongst them.

Lampre man: If at first you make a huge cock of yourself, do it again. Mad
Boogerd_Fan

It's a shame Zoncolan was today. What if it had been after the Gavia/Stelvio stage when the top 10 were bunched so close together - could've made someone like Aru or others think about attacking.

Maybe it is just too hard?
Bartali

When he couldn't follow Uran, Aru was riding for third.  What surprised me was that Rolland etc didn't attack him.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
When he couldn't follow Uran, Aru was riding for third.  What surprised me was that Rolland etc didn't attack him.


I just don't think he could.  He is 1.84 and weighs 67 kilos.  I just don't think he can do much more than haul his ass up that hill.  Too steep, not enough space for theatre.
kathy

What a farce!
mazda

I know a lot of you are dissatisfied with the outcome of one particular stage, but I can't really accept that it affected the final outcome, not for the top spot at any rate.

Instead we have had a Giro where the lead moved from Evans to Uran to Quintana which is enough variation amongst the top contenders for me to consider it a good Giro.
kathy

My comment was aimed at the fact that a has-been TTer won on the Zoncolan!
Boogerd_Fan

But now he is reborn... and even without doping is better than he was before because of riis motivational speeches and oleg oil money!!
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
But now he is reborn... and even without doping is better than he was before because of riis motivational speeches and oleg oil money!!
Ain't that the truth!
Bartali

mazda wrote:
I know a lot of you are dissatisfied with the outcome of one particular stage, but I can't really accept that it affected the final outcome, not for the top spot at any rate.

Instead we have had a Giro where the lead moved from Evans to Uran to Quintana which is enough variation amongst the top contenders for me to consider it a good Giro.

I agree to a certain extent ... but had Uran still been in pink and Rolland oot of the picture then you have a very different race ... in fact you have a race for first rather than Uran defending second place and Aru fighting for third. That said, it is hard to argue with the final placings.

I think we can finally say goodbye to Basso, Scarponi and Evans ...
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:


I think we can finally say goodbye to Basso, Scarponi and Evans ...


I had the two Italians on my Cobblestone team, and they certainly didn't do much at all.  Pathetic actually.  Admittedly they got me more points than Dan Martin, but otherwise …. useless.  It makes me slightly sad, since they were both pretty high quality riders.
Bartali

Its a changing of the guard FF ... I suspect we've seen the end of the Schleck Bros too ... and they are a lot younger.
gerry12ie

Well this giro didn't really float my boat.  The first two weeks were virtually meaningless because the race was so back-loaded.  Even when Quintana was nearly two minutes behind Uran after the TT he still looked a sure thing because of the nature of the route.  The crash on stage 6 left a taste in the mouth and I think Huw hit the nail on the head when he suggested that Evans did nothing really wrong but passed up an opportunity to do something right.

Stage 16 was a farce made worse by the organisers failure to take any responsibility.  Of course, 'big' decisions are the ones that involve throwing Kenny de Haes out hors delai after two chain breakages in the last 5k of the MTT.  Poor show.

Quintana really was much stronger and looked capable of dealing with anything that the others might have thrown at him and he is still coughing, so I wouldnt want to see what he could do if 100% fit.  If I were Froome, Contador or Nibali I might give him a wide berth for a while.


Boogerd_Fan

I didn't like how the last few stages became quite flat due to the huge time gaps by then... but it was an OK giro for me. Different leaders, regular changing of the main protagonist, from Uran, Pozzovivo to Rolland to Aru to Quintana himself, they all had good days where they stole time by aggressive racing. For that reason - i liked watching it. It will probably turn out to be more interesting than most of this years Tour.

Note for organizers though - the "queen" stage was so brutal that it rendered the GC battle all but over. Wouldn't mind seeing that stage again.. but maybe on last weekend... at the same time, that might mean the favourites going slowly or tempo on all prior MTFs.. so its a fine balance that i dont think they got right this year...

..happily Quintana gave everyone a headstart by not really turning on the style until week 3. Otherwise this could've been a total stroll in the park.
HuwB

So far behind. I've been in the bus watching these final Giro stages. Just watching the end, now.
As finishing circuits go, Trieste was a pretty good one. (especially as I picked the winner. Wink )
Too many BIG mountain stages in the last 10 days = bad idea.
The Zoncolan last up = Bad idea.
Virtually no medium mountain stages, strade bianche or rolling, technical finishing run ins = bad idea.

Having said all of that, overall, a reasonable Giro, probably better than any of the previous three.
I know I'll feel flat, in the morning.

Fitting, I suppose that the post stage shindig was carried out in the rain.

Kirby for the Tour and Vuelta. Sad
mr shifter

HuwB wrote:


Kirby for the Tour and Vuelta. Sad

Mute again. Just like Sky Sports this week.
Boogerd_Fan

haha talk about a race within a race.... belkin are now celebrating Jetse Bol's maglia nera
HuwB

The one thing that the Zoncolan has going for it. Always the good good shot.


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