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HuwB

Giro 2014:Ancora più Secondi Piatti:- May 23rd - May 28th

Made a bit of a miscalculation with the number of  "dishes", hence another dose of main course:

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Biosphere

Re: Giro 2014:Ancora più Secondi Piatti:- May 23rd - May 28t

HuwB wrote:
. . . another dose of main course . . .


Just like Mama used to do it Wink
Bartali

Is it Saturday yet?  Smile
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Is it Saturday yet?  Smile


The good news is that the weather forecast says it's fine tomorrow and we get virtually the whole stage.
The bad news is that there is snow forecast for the Stelvio on Tuesday.
A case of once bitten, twice not shy?
berck

HuwB wrote:

The good news is that the weather forecast says it's fine tomorrow ...


Is that really fine, or mostly fine or partly fine? Wink
Biosphere

CN ticker says it's been agressive from the start. Break trying to form but only has a few seconds

Quote:
Domont, Agnoli, Frapporti, Battaglin, Longo Borghini, Monsale, Quemeneur, Timmer, Cataldo
Biosphere

Break is bigger now (20ish) and has the best part of 4 mins with 130km to go. Arredondo has not joined in

Quote:
Valerio Agnoli (Astana), Axel Domont (Ag2r la Mondiale), Marco Frapporti and Emanuele Sella (Androni Venezuela), Enrico Battaglin (Bardiani CSF), Martijn Keizer (Belkin), Manuel Quinziato (BMC), Paolo Longo Borghini (Cannondale), Jarlinson Pantano (Colombia), Mattia Cattaneo and Jan Polanc (Lampre Merida), Tim Wellens (Lotto Belisol), Julien Vermote (Omega Quick Step), Ivan Santaromita (Orica GreenEdge), Albert Timmer (Giant Shimano), Perrig Quemeneur (Europcar), Darico Cataldo and Boasson Hagen (Sky), Nicolas Roche (Saxo Tinkoff), Danilo Hondo (Trek) and Yonathan Monsalve (Neri Sottoli).


RAIS2 are live now so there might be streams to be found?
Nolte

cataldo Smile
mr shifter

Just think I almost FP'd that little shit Emanuele Sella but on principal I refrained.
Biosphere

95 km to go and break has 8:40
Nolte

60km to go, lead at 7:20
Nolte

roche attacks and pirazzi attacks. amador is also going up the road with hesjedal. amador working something for quintana
Nolte

lead grout has 4'25 on first chasing group and 5'25 on second and 5'48 on peloton
Fontfroide

Guess my guys did not make it into the escape.  Still I can still watch Pozzo or Quintana attack.  Now.  Now.  Maybe later.
Nolte

pozzovivio and quinana attacking.
Boogerd_Fan

Vai vai!!!!
Nolte

timmer caught by cataldo and pantano to be lead group. come on cataldo!!!!!
Nolte

so very very nearl.

battaglin, yesterday was syooise ti be yiyr day.

pozzovivo and quintana come in at about 20 second ahead of evans and uran though a few seconds between each
Fontfroide

Nolte wrote:
so very very nearl.



Still ... doubt anyone else scored today, you will be no doubt pleased.
HuwB

Guess who has had visitors since lunch time? Sad
Still managed to watch most of the action.
Took a long while to get going, but didn't disappoint when it did.
Saw Battaglin clawing his way back and thought "Bad luck Dario". Smile
(nearly a genius fp there, Nolte)

After the ET TT of Uran, it's back to earth with a bang.

Quintana shows the forst signs of stirring after his fortnight of flat hibernation.
Pozzovivo, never shy when it comes to attacking.

Kelderman continues to impress, Aru continues to exceed the hype of his most ardent fans.
2 years ago, Dombrowski was destroying him on the Baby Giro climbs.......
Biosphere

Took the kids out to the park and caught up later. Thought Cataldo had it in the bag. Impressive recovery.

The GC stuff will hopefully inspire a more attacking stage tomorrow if there's a collective effort to test Uran.

This made me smile

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...-as-uran-cracks-on-climb-to-oropa

Evans wrote:
. . . We haven’t seen him on his limit in the third week of a Tour . . .


He probably shouldn't speak for everyone, but for himself he was probably too far down the road last year to see much Wink
Boogerd_Fan

exciting news, some race buddies climbed the Stelvio this morning. There's snow, but the road IS 100% clear.
HuwB

Moderate snowfall on the Gavia forecast for Tuesday, but little or none for the Stelvio. Go figure.

Gap for the Cunego led break 7'35''. 95 km to go
mazda

Gap all but gone.

Arredondo going on attack already.

Can't be long before Rolland goes can it ?
HuwB

Deeply suspicious of Aru.
Finished the fastest yesterday, wins today
and drops the likes of Quintana and Uran in the process.

I wonder what Joe Dombrowski thought of that?
Biosphere

Was out on my bike and caught up now. I was left to ponder at how good Astana are at preparing riders for the Giro.

Uran is looking more solid after today. I would have pegged Quintana as the most likely to do something serious today, but when he can only chip away 20" of a  180" deficit it gets harder to believe he going to produce the goods.

Tuesday's going to tell us if anyone will manage to have the rest of two men tomorrow Wink
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Deeply suspicious of Aru.
Finished the fastest yesterday, wins today
and drops the likes of Quintana and Uran in the process.

I wonder what Joe Dombrowski thought of that?


Really?

Joe Dombrowski is probably saddened that his talent is, like so many others young road men, been squandered by Team Sky. (And lets be honest his palmares doesn't look as impressive as Aru's with the exception of 25s in the Girobio)

Uran ... never has been, never will be a true top drawer climber ... a very good all rounder who has enough nounce to win this Giro by riding intelligently.  Quintana ...not free of suspicion himself ... isn't he still on the mend after being sick?  Even Rolland could hold his wheel today.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Deeply suspicious of Aru.
Finished the fastest yesterday, wins today
and drops the likes of Quintana and Uran in the process.

I wonder what Joe Dombrowski thought of that?


Really?

Joe Dombrowski is probably saddened that his talent is, like so many others young road men, been squandered by Team Sky. (And lets be honest his palmares doesn't look as impressive as Aru's with the exception of 25s in the Girobio)

Uran ... never has been, never will be a true top drawer climber ... a very good all rounder who has enough nounce to win this Giro by riding intelligently.  Quintana ...not free of suspicion himself ... isn't he still on the mend after being sick?  Even Rolland could hold his wheel today.


Define squandered talent.
Until this race, Aru has not had a leadership role at Astana.
He's pulled (successfully) Nibali's train.
Best senior result 4th at Trentino, in this role, last year.
JD has had both opportunity to lead and domestique responsibilities.
(both with very limited success)
OK, JD has had a variety of fitness issues, but are you really suggesting that the current gulf, and it is a huge gulf, between this two contemporaries is down to Team GB's incompetence with young athletes?

Imo. Both career paths are fishy, the U23 scene is considered worse than senior level.

Certainly agree with Quintana.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Define squandered talent.
Until this race, Aru has not had a leadership role at Astana.
He's pulled (successfully) Nibali's train.
Best senior result 4th at Trentino, in this role, last year.
JD has had both opportunity to lead and domestique responsibilities.
(both with very limited success)
OK, JD has had a variety of fitness issues, but are you really suggesting that the current gulf, and it is a huge gulf, between this two contemporaries is down to Team GB's incompetence with young athletes?

Imo. Both career paths are fishy, the U23 scene is considered worse than senior level.

Certainly agree with Quintana.


Not in the least bit incompetent ... quite the opposite.  But Sky are singleminded in their pursuit of success.  Whether that be calling Froome back in 2012 when he could have bagged a stage or the lack of opportunity for the likes of Uran and for Porte (at least for a long while).

I'll not say anyone is clean, but are these two really any more suspicious than so many more ... like all the columbians, the resurgent Poles, etc?
gerry12ie

Only really catching up on the weekends racing now.  I missed yesterday completely and was pleased to see Battaglin win for my Velogames team although I notice I wasn't alone with that pick Wink Some impressions so far...

- I didn't check the route so carefully before this Giro but I relied on Huw's assessment that this Giro was too back-loaded, and ain't that just the truth.  A poor edition so far with hardly any of those hilly stages that define the Giro.  Throwing everything in to final week totally imbalances the race and has made the previous two weeks almost redundant.  No suspense, no attacking racing, no nuances at all.  

- If Dante could have seen pro cycling the he surely would have had a tenth circle of hell, where the braying Clinic lynch mob chase Froome and Sky endlessly on a treadmill.  Thankfully doping is usually discussed in a less feral, malignant way here but we would be right to have suspicions about anything out of the ordinary.  Because this route is so skewed the racing has only just got going so I guess we will know about Aru, Quintana and Majka later in the week, but there is no reason to think that Movistar, Astana, Saxo, Ag2r and some Colombians aren't at it.  The Sky way (or so it seems) is to cosset young riders, work them close to their limits, and only let them off the leash when they meet all the scientific criteria.  Aru has had the chance to go for it, Dombrowsi hasn't - doesn't mean that either of them is necessarily clean, but certainly Aru looks capable of taking more time later in the week and that's something we don't see too often from a rider that young and inexperienced riding for GC - well maybe not since, say er, Riccardo? Wink

- I can't help but wonder if a fully fit, well-supported Froome wouldn't already be 2'30" ahead and looking forward to doubling that lead in this Giro (provided he could shake off Horner Wink)...

- My money would be on Pozzovivo to have the most productive rest day Smile
Biosphere

Porte's not really being deprived opportunities though. This was supposed to be his GT and he had other scheduled opportunities this year which he didn't take.

I don't get a dodgy feeling from Pozzovivo these days. Five years ago when he was at the continental level it was easier for me to think so (team mate of Sella after all), but he doesn't seem to be doing things these days that are red flags. One of the reasons he gave for staying at continental level was that it allowed him time to complete his PhD, which doesn't seem like an all in, do absolutely whatever it takes mentality that I think it's part of the doping psychology.

Aru hadn't really done anything before yesterday to suggest he was capable of yesterday, but I'll wait and see how the rest of the week goes.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
Porte's not really being deprived opportunities though. This was supposed to be his GT and he had other scheduled opportunities this year which he didn't take.
For someone who burst on the scene with a top 10 GT finish in 2010 he's had to wait a long time to get another GT opportunity.  BTW, I'm not critiising Sky - he's a professional and knew the score when he signed. My point is simply about opportunities and Aru has had some and JD hasn't.

As for whether we've seen it before .... Quintana, Majka? Both were developing into quality GT riders at Aru's age.

Let's see what happens this week ...
Bartali

Any way .... where's SR with the power analysis?
Fontfroide

I have little inside knowledge about Aru to add to "suspicion" about the semi-unkown guy doing so well.  I put him on one of my teams because he was cheap, and because Velo (French) mag had him as one of the five young ones to watch in the Giro.  Always looking for a few cheap young ones, I believed them.  As to who is doping, I have nothing to say.

Here are the five Velo picked to watch blossom.  Wellens, Aru, Majka, Poel, Arredondo.  So as to whether Aru had enough going on to warrant his semi-surprising performance, at least the editors of Velo had seen something before the Giro.  In fact, a couple of weeks in, their young picks are all doing pretty well, in one way or another.  So my trivial point is that someone was not surprised to see him do well.  As to where those five young guys might be on Sunday morning, I doubt anyone knows.
Boogerd_Fan

Aru is hardly a surprising name on that list, as he did have a breakout BabyGiro couple of years ago, and did a fine job last year in domestique role for Nibbles.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Any way .... where's SR with the power analysis?


This also is a point. Be it any Sky rider, we'd have Vayer and his "not normal" power calculations within the hour.
For Uran's ITT however, we got nada, which meant that the twitterati went to town on the time gaps alone, to reach the same conclusion.
For Aru, we neither got power output or time gap conclusions, even though they were substantial and against top climbers; simply that it was a great ride. (which it was)

However, I have seen 6.1w/kg for 53 minutes posted elsewhere.
If that's in the ball park, then it is worth a raised eyebrow or two.

Some inconclusive stuff here:
http://www.climbing-records.com/s...:00:00%2B02:00&max-results=17

Cos he's up against Pantani and Tonkov. Smile
HuwB

Well, if you gamble and lose, should you make the same gamble again?
Looks as if there will be a bad news announcement on tomorrow at 5pm cet, when we get this turkey replacing the RCS's fantasy stage:

Boogerd_Fan

hmm conflicting news>>>.. the same team conquered Gavia today, its soaking wet roads + misty/cloudy conditions could mean more snowfall overnight

7 degrees current temp.
HuwB

Right, the official announcement is.................
tomorrows stage will go ahead unless conditions change a change of plans may even be made after the stage starts.
So, that's no decision, then. Get up in the morning and open the curtains.
Supposed to be like this:

Boogerd_Fan

If they race that, in misty, rainy conditions.. it will be absolute carnage!! But totally EPIC!

or completely nullified like the first "real" stage in Italy
Biosphere

According to The Inner Ring Aru's SRM data was released:

Quote:
La Gazzetta also has information on his SRM power stats from the climb to Montecampione from Astana team coach Paolo Slongo:

Distance: 19.35km
Time: 53m13s
VAM: 1,647m/h
Avg. power 360W
440W during the attack (duration unknown)
5.85W/kg for the whole climb
Weight: 61.5kg
Height: 1m81

Slongo says Aru can improve in several ways. There’s upper body weight loss and also improvement in pacing, witness how he started too fast in the time trial and faded last week.


5.85W/kg might not seem that big, but it's for 53 mins. Froome on Ventoux was estimated at 5.88W/kg for 48.5 mins, so that's why I say Aru had not given indications that he was capable of that and I think it's reasonable to say so. There is a difference between being tipped as one of 5 to watch and blowing a stage apart. It's not that I was unaware of him - I have him in my team in Noel's game after all Smile
HuwB

So, as good as Froome? Nothing to see there then.

Being reported that Quinatana has an ear infection and fever
and Pozzovivo bronchitis.
Stage goes ahead as planned.......................atm.
Bartali

Ummm ... then that is suspicious!!!  (As is Froome being that good in the first place!)
HuwB

Stage on, tv not. Heli's can't fly.
Quelle surprise.

Fingers crossed we get more than the final km.
HuwB

We have live pictures on the Gavia!

Rai Sport 2, here:
http://alfatv.webs.com/
gerry12ie

HuwB wrote:
We have live pictures on the Gavia!

Rai Sport 2, here:
http://alfatv.webs.com/


Looks rough - piano day...
Fontfroide

Rough, hell it looks ridiculous.  
Anyone going out on a day like this should be very well paid indeed.  Imagine descending in that.  Climbing might be just about OK, but yuk, something is going to happen to someone, illness, crash etc.  

They claim EBH is not starting.

I am watching a feed from Bein, been the best so far.  In French, but I have Cedric Vasseur and the most passable space filler I have had in years.  Although I forget his name.
Boogerd_Fan

I picked the wrong day to schedule some important team meetings @ work gaaaarrr!!


14:11:12 CEST
Riders are all over the place at the moment with Evans and Pozzovivo in a group that appears to be distant from the peloton.
Fontfroide

My guys are guessing who is in the biggest group.  No numbers, can't hardly see the garb.
Fontfroide

0 degrees at the top of the Stelvio.  Snowing or raining or some combination.
kathy

Especially coverage at last!
gerry12ie



Stelvio
HuwB

Evans and Pozzo now back in the bunch, having stopped for some dry clothes and a cup of tea. Sounds very civilized! Smile
kathy

2 AG2Rs in the lead group. Perhaps Pozzo was sandbagging!
Bartali

Nice ride by Cataldo. Cima Coppi
HuwB

The RCS's definition of neuralised appears to be different from most.
Has Cataldo got a table booked in a restaurant down in the valley?
Bartali

Smile  Smile  He's not going full gas, but its not what I call neutralised.  Brave boy!!
Bartali

Not very pleasant, but is this descent really that much more dangerous than any other wet day?
Fontfroide

Any of you have any kind of gloves or for that matter socks/shoe covers that help A LOT in weather like this?
Bartali

So Quintana has pulled out 2 minutes on Uran on a neutralised descent!???  There will be some sort of enquiry ... surely???
Bartali

So Quintana has pulled out 2 minutes on Uran on a neutralised descent!???  There will be some sort of enquiry ... surely???
Fontfroide

But how can you neutralise a descent?  Not possible unless you have cars in front of each individual or group who are linked by GPS and radio.  You can neutralise a peloton, but not a fragmented race.

Or is there something I don't understand?
Bartali

Well you could tell the Quintana group to slow down so that the Maglia rosa group can regroup.  Not difficult at all.
Fontfroide

Does this actually happen?  You tell riders to slow down and wait for their rivals to catch up?

I live and learn.
Boogerd_Fan

But slowing them down would expose them to a longer time on the cold descent… maybe even more dangerous than letting them race (providing there is no ice). If there was ice, surely it was completely bonkers to try and ride down it… even at a neutralized pace, it could’ve been carnage.
Bartali

Well it should if it was neutralised ... though it now appears it wasn't neutralised.  WTF?
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
But slowing them down would expose them to a longer time on the cold descent… maybe even more dangerous than letting them race (providing there is no ice). If there was ice, surely it was completely bonkers to try and ride down it… even at a neutralized pace, it could’ve been carnage.


But they would just regroup over a few km in the valley.  Not at all difficult or dangerous.  But ... if they didn't neutralise then so be it.  Good skills from Quintana etc
HuwB

It seems it was never neutralised, just put out by a "source" on Twitter.
What a great internet invention that it: the source of all truth and knowledge. Rolling Eyes

Anyhow, who fancies their chances of catching Quintana, Rolland and Hesjedahl with a minute and 3 quarters lead? Razz

(since he's already kicked off.....)
Bartali

Crazy crazy world ... what were they thinking to let them get 2 minutes on that descent!!

Still a long way to go ...
kathy

Urban doesn't look well!
Bartali

Crazy crazy stage.
Bartali

Maglia Rosa group riding for world tour points now ... disappointing.  Fair play to Quintana though.
Fontfroide

Maybe, since he has no teammates, (oops, he does, so much for my analysis) Uran is quite happy to be near or nearabout with Quintana, since there is a ITT coming as well.  So he has/had Rogers working for him, as well as Dupont.

As for the others who are not attacking, I guess you are right Bartali.  Unless most of the leaders are happy to wait for the ITT or the other two stages with summit finishes.

Can't quite believe that Rolland is keeping up.  The French in me is very happy.  He can ride even if he is not too bright.  Doesn't even looked troubled.  Clearly Rolland and Quintana are pretty darn strong.  Hesjedal looks awkward, but they have not dropped him yet, so chapeau.

Oops, as I was writing, Nairo took off.
Fontfroide

12.4% for the leaders.

How is Rydal keeping up?  Incredible.
HuwB

Certain to be stage that will be talked about in years to come.
Quintana led for the entire final 20kms.
Not bad for someone with an ear infection and on antibiotics.

Epic grovel from Hesjedal and poor Pierre popped spectacularly.
Kudos Kelderman for not wheel watching.
Aru looked dead on several occasions, but still managed to best the rest.
Fontfroide

Interviews seem to be clear enough, nobody heard of a neutralisation.  On verra.
Bartali

Another strong finish from Aru ... but not as strong as Quintana who rode that climb 2 minutes faster than the other favourites.  

Hesjdal up to his old tricks again?
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Interviews seem to be clear enough, nobody heard of a neutralisation.  On verra.


If that's true, then Quintanna can descend as well as TT and climb.  The complete package apparently.
Fontfroide

Rolland claimed he could not or did not eat or drink enough at the end.  How can this happen?  He has a car.  They have food.  They have drink.  Did they forget too?  I don't get it.
Boogerd_Fan

2 mins on descent a bit farcical... purely a matter of who wants it more and willing to risk it all.

Psychological advantage gained etc still quintana took another two minutes by himself on the final climb!!

Crazy situation: kelders attacks maglia rosa group for 45s but drops a place on the overall thanks to Rolland.

Hopefully despite the colombian 1-2.... the rest will be racing for that podium spot... who knows which uran will turn up now he is out of pink. A proper move could catapult anyone from 4th-10th into the top 3.
Bartali

Its a good race for the podium places ... but barring a total collapse it's hard to see Quintana losing this now.

Pleased that wheel sucker Rolland blew at the end. Karma.
gerry12ie

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
2 mins on descent a bit farcical... purely a matter of who wants it more and willing to risk it all.

Psychological advantage gained etc still quintana took another two minutes by himself on the final climb!!

Crazy situation: kelders attacks maglia rosa group for 45s but drops a place on the overall thanks to Rolland.

Hopefully despite the colombian 1-2.... the rest will be racing for that podium spot... who knows which uran will turn up now he is out of pink. A proper move could catapult anyone from 4th-10th into the top 3.


I thought you were in work? Wink

ESUK have highlights at 11 o'clock tonight Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes a full hour earlier than last week...
Fontfroide

Still think Uran was waiting for the ITT.  Although who knows, maybe he was not so strong.
Boogerd_Fan

Ran home caught last 5k
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:

I thought you were in work? Wink


No one works on Stelvio day! Wink
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:

I thought you were in work? Wink


No one works on Stelvio day! Wink


Laughing

I'm down for friday off though Wink
Bartali

Me too! Smile  Work in the morning then home for the Giro then out on my bike if its dry!!
HuwB

Diego Ulissi last but one, today. His Giro done, or is he looking for more stage fun?
Wout Poels drops from 10th to just 23rd, after finishing 44 minutes down.
Ben Swift comes in 25th, a place behind Ivan Basso.
Just 55 seconds separate 2nd and 9th, but after that, the gaps are now enormous.

Don't see something like that everyday. (or never in Le Tour)
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:

I thought you were in work? Wink


No one works on Stelvio day! Wink


not even me. i was away though but caught last 10km
Bartali

So notwithstanding Quintana's great climb, if this is true, then how can the commissars not take action ...

Quote:
Recordings of the announcement quickly appeared on the internet. While the word 'neutralisation' was not said, the race radio announcer said motorbikes would fly a red flag 'to avoid that there are attack on the descent, to ensure that the riders hold their position and avoid taking huge risks.They should hold that position until the official lower the red flags."


Great stage marred by controversy ....
Boogerd_Fan

but if rest of Quintana speech is considered... he followed Europcar guys - meaning still in a group. He didn't force an attack until in the valley. The pics i've seen are the red flag motorbike leading down the Rolland/Quintana group.

Maybe they half expected the rest of the maglia rosa group to catch up and form a front selection - once they had got all their extra gear on and stuff.
But if Q gambled, avoided getting an extra rain jacket and followed those Europcar wheels, what was stopping the rest of the favourites?

At that point the commisaires must have been praying for it coming together in the valley - but when it never did... well.. it adds an extra 90 seconds to the eventual time Q took out of every favourite on the climb.


Hopefully the next few days will make the 90 seconds completely irrelevant anyway.
gerry12ie

I had a perfect stream of Sky Sports 3 highlights at 8 o'clock and then started messing with Apple TV and Air Parrot until it all went to pot and I missed the whole thing (anyone remember when Macs were worth having) so I still haven't seen it.  

This is interesting about the red flags though, did both groups have flags?  I presume there were riders all over the road but did the team cars relay the info?  After all, and I may not have mentioned this before Wink, we are told that rider safety is the primary reason for team radio comms so presumably Quintana & Co would have been aware.   If they pushed on knowing there had been a safety announcement then that should be looked at carefully by the commissaires.  It would be far too controversial a call to make a ruling on it so I guess they will stick...
kathy

As I understand it, the whole 'neutralisation' thing was just a rumour started by someone on Twitter, and never confirmed by Radio Tour.  If any DS's are stupid enough to believe what they read on Twitter, more fool them Crying or Very sad   Movistar obviously didn't believe it!
Bartali

It all seems very unsatisfactory ... and even though it was only 90 seconds it shaped the rest of the stage.  I can't see Quintana doing that much damage if they hit the climb together.  That said ... I can't see why they conceded 90 seconds as neither Q or Rolland are particularly good descenders.  That alone suggests there was mixed messages.  There's a lesson in it somewhere.

Still ... a gutsy ride from Quintana.
Bartali

kathy wrote:
As I understand it, the whole 'neutralisation' thing was just a rumour started by someone on Twitter, and never confirmed by Radio Tour.  If any DS's are stupid enough to believe what they read on Twitter, more fool them Crying or Very sad   Movistar obviously didn't believe it!
I refer to the race radio comment I quoted above ...

"While the word 'neutralisation' was not said, the race radio announcer said motorbikes would fly a red flag 'to avoid that there are attack on the descent, to ensure that the riders hold their position and avoid taking huge risks.They should hold that position until the official lower the red flags."

I guess it depends how you interpret the whole red flag thing.  To me it suggests they should all stick together in the position they go over the top ... but if the Quintana group stayed behind the flag and held their position ... and everyone else just went a lot slower then I can see how it happened.
Boogerd_Fan

Anyway - what today proved, was what everyone had predicted before the Giro had started... while the other favourites have the chance to attack and gain seconds... Quintana has been waiting for the right day to ride away and take minutes and win the Giro in one effort...
Bartali

I'm not sure I agree Boogie ... I simply don't believe he could have ridden of the group of favourites on the climb to that extent.  The whole race is different, heads are in a different place etc.  30secs maybe ... but not 2 minutes+

SR / Huw ... where's the data?  Aru and Uran etc were supposedly shipping Froomesque W/kg two days ago ... was Quintana that much better today (ET) or were the others not doing their stuff (most likely)
mr shifter

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Anyway - what today proved, was what everyone had predicted before the Giro had started... while the other favourites have the chance to attack and gain seconds... Quintana has been waiting for the right day to ride away and take minutes and win the Giro in one effort...
I didn't see anyone waving a Red Flag.
Those that wanted to descend got on with it after riding Tempo up the Gavia.
I agree that Quintana and Movistar (well they have plenty of GT experience) had this Queen stage lined up for their major attack.
I don't think he will loose ground in the next couple of stages.
It's been a great Giro apart from the early stages with greasy roads.
Boogerd_Fan

well i agree the time gaps would be much less significant... but for 2 weeks the discussion has been what's up with Quintana... obviously he was picking his battles, and knew on the right day this week, he could gain big... strategy wise, he has been proven correct to conserve energy (vs. working with Pozzo on Oropa for example)

... the descent controversy played into his hands of course. Maybe 1m or 1m30s is a likely gap that could have been achieved (Kelderman already had 40s after attacking in the last 2-3km);
berck

HuwB wrote:
It seems it was never neutralised, just put out by a "source" on Twitter.
What a great internet invention that it: the source of all truth and knowledge. Rolling Eyes


Hmm, Twitter is god? Wink

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