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HuwB

Giro 2013: The Antipasti Stages-May 8th-12th.

After the celebratory fizz, it's time to sit down for some cold meats!

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Biosphere

Looking forward to the San Salvo - Pescara stage . . . if it's raced hard.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Looking forward to the San Salvo - Pescara stage . . . if it's raced hard.


Somebody else who awaits stage 7 with a sense of expectation:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/05...an-insiders-guide-to-stage-seven/
mr shifter

HuwB wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Looking forward to the San Salvo - Pescara stage . . . if it's raced hard.


Somebody else who awaits stage 7 with a sense of expectation:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/05...an-insiders-guide-to-stage-seven/
Nice to see It's caught the imagination of of the Oz's with Cadel in there.
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
Looking forward to the San Salvo - Pescara stage . . . if it's raced hard.


That's the key isn't it?  It represents a real opportunity to put some hurt on Sky but will anyone want to go too hard the day before the TT?  A proper tickler...
Fontfroide

I noticed Stage seven too, what a day.  It has a profile that just jumps out at you.  I figure the last fifty k will be terrifically interesting.
gerry12ie

I think stage 5 might have a few fireworks given that Wiggins lost some time today and stage 7 is looking is looking even more tasty now that Sky don't look so invincible.  I notice Cataldo, Pate, Zandio and Puccio all lost more chunks of time today.  They will regret not bringing a real strong man before this is out...
Biosphere

Well Cataldo is ill so he has an excuse. The others may be under orders to save their legs. I would have said Sitsouv is a strong man and Henao and Uran are clearly good back up given their results here last year. Could any other team come close to fielding a team this strong, and likely have an even better one for the Tour?
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Tomorrow looks like a mini version of today.
Went looking to see if I could find anything on the run in
and CN came up with this:

Quote:


The wall of Montescaglioso is 3 kms long at over 8% average, with some steeper sections. The final drag to Matera is
approximately 6 kms at 4.5%, with the last 5 kms of false flats.


There looks to be at least a km in excess of 10%.
Toss of the coin job, with regard to sprinter prospects of
making it to the flatter final kms.
Raced hard and all could depart via the back door; raced easy and
it could be Cav v the rest.


The descent of the first climb looks to be too far from the finish line for it to be raced aggressively and the second climb is maybe too mild to make anything stick. On the other hand I would have thought with stage 6 bring a sprint, seconds gained on 5 and 7 will lessen the deficit to Wiggins after 8.
Biosphere

And Wiggins thought the Giro was good because the Italians focussed on racing and not team politics Smile

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...-colombian-conspiracy-within-team

I would have anyway thought the Colombians might have been given some leadership responsibilities at the Vuelta?
gerry12ie

The Vuelta is saved for Wiggo and Froome Dog to go head to head for Sky's only Grand Tour win of 2013... Wink
Bartali

Laughing

As a fan of panache that would be a good outcome ... especially if they both got pipped by J-Rod!!
Beasley

Looks like Cavendish survived the first ramp, which means he has a reasonable chance of hanging tough through the second. About 4km at 5%, by the looks of it.
Beasley

The Cavendish group has been distanced again. To me, it looked like they had a reasonable chance of getting back on going over the top of the Cat. 4.

This could be anyone's ... slight kick-up in the closing kilo, so the GC men might give it a dig.
Biosphere

Just caught up with today while packing bags for little break in mountains. Will be away for a few days. In two minds about that depending on how Satge 7 plays out Confused

Huw's hot FP streak is is now a nice shade of white Laughing
HuwB

Having already posted in the wrong thread......
Never thought Cav would make it over the first
climb with the bunch. He went deep, but the last ramp
just too much.

Bouhanni was looking good, until caught behind the pile up.
Modolo, too.
Awful Eurosport commentary.
Quigley confused a gasping Degenkolb at the finish, for a crashed one,
back at the bend.
Dead legged drag, that last 800 metres of 3%.
gerry12ie

Haven't seen it yet but I can't see Quigley having the knowledge, experience or stamina for a three week tour.  I reckon it will get quite painful.  Did ES piss Harmon off I wonder?

Odd too that there were three different races on ES at the weekend (Giro, Dunkirk and Azerbidjan) and no Kirby or Harmon...
Boogerd_Fan

Quigley is awful.

I can imagine Sean Yates is sitting next to him trying to poke his eyes out
Biosphere

So Nibali is talking about saving all his energy for the ITT and taking it from there. No fireworks from him tomorrow?
HuwB

Real siesta stage today.
Speed is uber tranquillo.
Great crowds in the towns, but that's about the sum of it.
kathy

Are we on the right thread today? Wink  Laughing
HuwB

Huge crash! Wiggins stuck
kathy

Total chaos!
Fontfroide

Seems like Wiggo is having loads of problems with his bike, often a mechanical.  I thought they had the best bikes, the best mechanics, taking care of all the details, and yet twice lately, maybe three times, Bradley, big star has a bike that does not work well.  I don't really get it.
kathy

Think it was just a puncture today???
Fontfroide

Puncture, fair enough.  But they have the best tyres, no?  I just have this feeling, since I follow Sky more closely etc they seem to have mediocre equipment.
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
Puncture, fair enough.  But they have the best tyres, no?  I just have this feeling, since I follow Sky more closely etc they seem to have mediocre equipment.


There does seem to be a problem with the Shimano electronic gears.
Fontfroide

Utterly stunning how close the riders are, at the speed they are.  Astounding.
kathy

Cav from Bouhanni- sorry Vivianj
HuwB

Androni sprinters certainly are a law unto themselves. Gavazzi pushed a Lotto guy out of the way and took a sling shot off Hunter. Not bothered about "Robbie" in the slightest, during interview.

Cav did are rather nice interview in Italian for Rai.

All GC boys safely home for tomorrow's testing stage.
Bartali

SlowRower wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Puncture, fair enough.  But they have the best tyres, no?  I just have this feeling, since I follow Sky more closely etc they seem to have mediocre equipment.


There does seem to be a problem with the Shimano electronic gears.


gerry12ie

I could see that one coming... Very Happy
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Puncture, fair enough.  But they have the best tyres, no?  I just have this feeling, since I follow Sky more closely etc they seem to have mediocre equipment.


There does seem to be a problem with the Shimano electronic gears.




Very eco-friendly Bart. A joke recycled from last week!
Bartali

On a serious note  - and to FF's point - for such an organised team, it is incredible that they hadn't worked out who would get the Maglia Rosa after the TTT.  Don't understand the rules, wrong gearing in the mountains, can't set up the bike properly, poorly managed team dynamics between Froome and Wiggins ....

They've assembled a team of great riders but the marginal gains retoric is BS!
Fontfroide

Just the kind of thing I meant to point out, but you did it a bit better.  Such an incredible team of riders, at least 5-6 who could be leaders elsewhere.  TONS of money.  Seemingly excellent staff.  And we still get Wiggo throwing his bike against a rock face or having his gears mess up.  That bike throwing actually really pissed me off.  I like Wiggo and Sky all right.  But he is on TV and throws a bike that costs a fortune and any of us would like to ride, like it was a bidon.  Mind you, even when he threw it away like a food wrapper, it ended up falling neatly and tidily, probably didn't even need new bar tape.

There is something not quite right.  Having said that, they win like crazy so what am I even talking about.  Just feels funny.
Bartali

The bike throw was incredible ... I keep watching it on YouTube.  I think the issue is that they are a relatively inexperienced team using all the spin and flannel of a big corporate machine.  Im sure they don't make too many more mistake than others ... but it grates more because of all the rubbish coming from their PR machine.

I see we had a 'go slow' waiting for Wiggins today (which is fine by me) but not so for Nibali in 2010?  Is it just me or is it only the 'rich' teams that get the favours these days?
Fontfroide

Follow the money.

Always a good analytical technique.
Boogerd_Fan

The bike throw was incredible from the point of view it stayed upright!! Very Happy

Sometimes you make your own luck, and i think Nibs is tranquilo at the moment.. Wiggo seems to be very agitated and nervous. These little things don't help, but the mental tiredness in Week 3 will be impacted by his energetic first week, in my opinion.
HuwB

Some of today's lumpy bits:





JohnD

Looking forward to todays stage, had a snooze watching yesterdays but saw a lot of the crashes - is the Giro the most crash-prone race in the season?  It looks as if they use black glass rather than tarmac on some of the roads.
SlowRower

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
The bike throw was incredible from the point of view it stayed upright!! Very Happy

Sometimes you make your own luck, and i think Nibs is tranquilo at the moment.. Wiggo seems to be very agitated and nervous. These little things don't help, but the mental tiredness in Week 3 will be impacted by his energetic first week, in my opinion.


Good points. The bike throw was incredible.

Rob Hayles was doing commentary for 5 Live during the World Track championships and he made the observation that when you're in peak form, you tend to avoid the minor mishaps such as mechanicals, punctures, caught behind crashes etc.

He was saying that mechanicals happen when you're off form as you're more likely to be forced to change gear at the wrong time (eg under load) or be in the wrong gear at the crucial time, which seems logical, though I guess you tend to remember the mechanicals more when you have a bad ride than if you have a good ride.

His view on punctures was a bit more dubious in my view but boiled down to being more likely to be in the wrong position to avoid stones, potholes etc when not in peak form, as again, you have to react to the conditions rather than being able to easily move to the right position to avoid them.

Wiggo does seem rather accident-prone this week, which suggests poor form based on the Hayles theory. However, if he survives today and dominates the TT on Saturday, the landscape will change dramatically. No wonder they call the ITT the "Race of Truth"!

Slick effort by OPQS yesterday. Chatter on Bike Radar suggests Boonen will be in the Tour squad, which could make for a fairly tasty lead-out, given that Martin should be on duty as well.
gerry12ie

Bike change for Wiggins after half an hour Wink
Biosphere

Rumour had it that when Wiggins retires, he's going to follow in the footsteps of Boardman and Hoy and launch his own range of bikes. Unique selling point will be that they park by themselves with oodles of panache.

As for their recent apparent run of mechanical mishaps compared to others, I imagine the key word is apparent. Stick a dedicated  camera on any other team whatever their budget and see more of the same would be my prediction. Nibs had been chasing back on after a puncture the previous day.

Overgearing and non duplicate spare bikes are a separate issue. Watching Cancellara steam away from Boonen on the Muur again would make me think we see more of NSF choices from Sky simply because we watch them more.

Have Sky made a big deal of marginal gains on the road in the last two seasons (admittedly the BS they came out with on their debut year was laughable)? Isn't the main thing they've done is to basically spend their very big budget and training time practising riding as a train over and over as coupled with a decent ITT it's how stage races are won now?
HuwB

All stations now live, with 94 kms and most of the climbing to go.
Weakish break have just under 7 minutes lead.
Dry at the moment, but overcast.

Bio: I think it's a good idea to add stage 9 to this thread, since it bookends the rest day.
Can you alter the title dates if I provide the technical info?

Km / To Go Climb Length Grade Max
124.6 / 52 Villamagna 2.3 km 6.8 % 18 %
138 / 39 Chieti-Pietragrossa 2.5 km 9.5 % 16 %
142.4 / 35 Tricalle 1.1 km 11.5 % 19 %
157.3 / 20 Santa Maria di Criptis 3.5 km 6.9 % 18 %
169.6 / 7 San Silvestro 1.5 km 8.5 % 14 %
Biosphere

Will change tonight when I've caught up with todays action.
HuwB

Cav sets the bus in motion.
Not much else happening except for a lot of toiling.
Fontfroide

I guess one of the heavies has not made a big break from distance.  Seems all I missed was a lot of excellent scenery.
gerry12ie

Just woke up - not much happening?
Fontfroide

Gee Gerry, do you take a nap too?  I thought you were a young fellow who kept going all day long like I used to.
gerry12ie

Quigley put me asleep.

Wiggins looking far from comfortable here...
Fontfroide

Tell the truth, they all look a bit nervous.  Not the roads for fast riding downhills.  But Wiggo should really not be all the way back there.  What's up?
gerry12ie

Nibali down - and back up
gerry12ie

Androni going down like skittles
Fontfroide

Maybe, in the end, Wiggo and others are smart not to try anything much today,on these roads, in this rain.
gerry12ie

Sella down yet again
gerry12ie

Wiggins down
Fontfroide

Beginning to feel a bit sorry for Wiggo.  I can imagine that his Giro could go down the tube.  Hope not.
pantanifan

gerry12ie wrote:
Wiggins down


Having a nap like you guys?  Laughing
gerry12ie

Evans now a genuine contender by the looks of it...

The stage played out as i thought insofar as Wiggins lost time.  Dynamics at Sky not very convincing - maybe thats a result of washing your knickers in public.
Fontfroide

I am always happy when a breakaway succeeds.  Always.  On the other hand, I am afraid all these crashes took something away from my enjoyment.  But it certainly affected the GC.  And another change tomorrow too.
gerry12ie

No Sky rider in GC top 20?
HuwB

The curse of Quigley has spread to Kelly.
Nibali disappeared from their screens, while still visible on home tvs.Laughing

I reckon that Brad is half way onto the plane home.
The minute he started taking about tour leadership,
it was clear his head was elsewhere.

Nibali crashes and charges on, Wiggins crashes and he sits right up.
Burned out Henao and Uran in the process.

This stage always had the potential to be a bit crazy and so it proved.
Proper, seat of yer pants racing, though.
Sky needs to swap Tenerife training camp for Chieti!
Fontfroide

Plenty of time yet.  If someone is ONLY 1.21 behind the leaders on Stage 7 and with the horrible stages yet to come, I should think there is hope for them all, even the Sky guys.  But there will be a low morale tonight, especially if the crash actually hurt Bradley.

My mag says they ride Veloflex tyres, Sky does.  What are they?
SlowRower

It will be interesting to see how Wiggo fares from now on. Anyone can "dish it out" when things are going well - as they did last year - but not everyone can keep hurting themselves when it's not going well.
gerry12ie

I was going to get some Veloflex recently but went Panaracer instead.  They are whats left of the original Vittoria factory
Bartali

I've not seen it yet but it does make the race more interesting.  A good ITT tomorrow though and it might all look different.

Nothing wrong with Veloflex - lovely tubs.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
As for their recent apparent run of mechanical mishaps compared to others, I imagine the key word is apparent. Stick a dedicated  camera on any other team whatever their budget and see more of the same would be my prediction. Nibs had been chasing back on after a puncture the previous day.

Overgearing and non duplicate spare bikes are a separate issue. Watching Cancellara steam away from Boonen on the Muur again would make me think we see more of NSF choices from Sky simply because we watch them more.


I think you are too forgiving.  I read about there attention to detail in nearly every article I see - though I accept that might be because the jurnos have bought into it themselves.

Does it happen to other teams - I think there has been plenty of focus on Astana, Radioshack and Leopold Trek in the Armstrong/contador/schleck years, but I don't remember the number of gear problems that Sky have.  Might just be a problem with Di2 which probably wasn't used as much back in the day?  As for a leader being over-geared on a known climb like the Angrilu or Muur is grossly incompetent in my eyes!!
gerry12ie

For me Sky, as befits a media corporation sponsor (and there's a whole other debate therein) are only too happy to promote the benefits of their approach, equipment and training methods (for instance, the comical 'knowledge gap' that Kerrison was prattling on about) to a fawning media.  All fine and dandy until the equipment lets you down and the training doesn't deliver, as in the classics.  Then they come under the microscope and don't always respond too well.

That said, Bradley could scorch the TT and take the lead by over two minutes tomorrow but his body language isn't suggesting that, is it?

The Pinarello TT frame reduces drag by 15% - I know cos I read it in the media... Wink
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:


The Pinarello TT frame reduces drag by 15% - I know cos I read it in the media... Wink
You read a lot of shit in the media but do you believe it.
They showed the salt yesterday to take a pinch of.
Biosphere

Thread extended by a day Huw. Wonder if you could do it anyway since you were the author of the title when you created the thread? Anyway makes no difference now.

So they have Eurosport in the mountains too  Smile Exciting finale today. Will be interesting to see if Wiggins fights back tomorrow or as his press interviews suggest his head is else where.

I like this series of Hansen tweets from training camp. Day 10 is class.

http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/38154583984/hansentimeline
gerry12ie

That Lotto series is brilliant!

Meant to say earlier I was delighted to see him and Lotto take the victory today.  They don't have anyone for GC and its always nice to see the president of the watercarriers union pick up a big win.
HuwB

Putting the final, pre rest day stage details here.

Stage 9
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HuwB

Jesse Sergent the early leader.
Alex Dowsett currently ripping it up.
Taylor Phinney.................has the flu. Embarassed

78+ minutes the BT so far, so around 42kph average.
Quite testing and technical as befits the Giro.
Fontfroide

Just saw the Phinney result.  Sorry about that.

Huw, I take back everything I said.  You pick the wrong one sometimes like us mortals.  You have enough points anyway.   Wink
HuwB

Indeed.
Anyhow, Dowsett has smashed it; a full 2 minutes faster than Sergent, Durbridge 35 seconds back and................it''s just started to rain at the finish.
JohnD

Hi Guys!

Bradley on the start now
JohnD

It was tough choosing the PTP for today & i thought about Phinney but from what i read it wasn't really his course.  It seemed outside of Wiggins it was all swings & roundabouts who could do well today, and we'll see what effects yesterday had on Wiggins, both mentally & physically
kathy

Idon't know why they're all making such a fuss.  Wiggins is only about one and a half minutes behind Intxausti!
JohnD

Is it because the TT is his one true specialty and if he blows it it's difficult to see where he can claim t.....he's changed bikes!
kathy

Are there no intermediate time splits?
JohnD

yes, just flashed up on ES but they've cut to adverts
HuwB

Time split for Wiggo in about 5 minutes.
Surprised that Henao has passed Keldeman.
Shows he's got great form.
gerry12ie

Except Quigley had him as Wiggins
kathy

I'm glad Henao's putting up a decent time- think Ipicked him for GC
Bartali

Interesting!!!
HuwB

Major Wiggins fail.
7th at the intermediate and slower than Uran.
Bartali

I'm sooooo nervous for my man today!
kathy

Wiggins must have lost a bit when he changed bikes, but not 52sec!
Bartali

Most of the corners are in the first half.  I think he'll bring it back in the second half.
Bartali

Go get em Nibs!
gerry12ie

Brailsford will regret calling back the two Colombians yesterday to nursemaid Wiggins.

Hesjedal looks good.
gerry12ie

This from the Eurosport feed...


Quote:
NEWSFLASH: The reason why Wiggins is so slow is that he crashed before that bike change. It was not caught on TV images.
Bartali

This is why we love Il Giro ....
Bartali

Sorry ... our posts crossed in the ether ... never good when a rider falls!!
kathy

But Ithink the cameras wew following him all the way until the change.  I dn't see him crash??   Surprised
HuwB

He crashed, but this is the more likely reason:
Quote:
Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 11m  I emailed @wegelius 3 days ago and said "Wiggo has the same stomach bug as Cataldo, Sky are just keeping quiet on it..." That's my take.


RAI and Sporza both knew Wiggins had been on the deck.
Nolte

so how many seconds will be ended to kelderman and henao's time?
Beasley

Outrageous antics from Wilko Kelderman; he's been on Henao tail - and in his draft! - for 30km. The race committee has to have a look after things are done!
JohnD

Wiggins 2nd, great 2nd half from him but Evans looks like he's flying
HuwB

But for the crash/bike change, Wiggins would be currently the leader.
Not sure that Dowsett's time won't be beaten.
Cuddles looking like his 2011 old self.

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