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HuwB

Giro 2013: I Primi Piatti Stages - May 14th-17th

Our first sighting of those big hills.
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Bartali

Nice!! Last 4km tomorrow should be intetesting!
Boogerd_Fan

the combination of both climbs should do in quite a few!
if it's wet between the climbs, that descent could undo Wiggo.
Bartali

It might .... but the last climb is a long one so should be time to organise a chase ... and ride to numbers.
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
the combination of both climbs should do in quite a few!
if it's wet between the climbs, that descent could undo Wiggo.


The forecast is for a lovely rest day and good tomorrow.
After that, the weather goes downhill. Lucky for some,
the wettest day is supposed to be Thursday; a sprint day.

Anyhow, well worth watching this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fea...player_embedded&v=tG3pr_O342k

Dan Lloyd riding those climbs and talks the technical stuff.
gerry12ie

For the most TT-friendly Giro since Moser's time its odd that the two big names in the most trouble are Wiggins and Hesjedal.  The champ might be out of the frame completely after tomorrow and Sky could have a very big call to make on the road if they are to salvage a proper crack at this Giro
sabcarrera

Any chance that the oval chain rings that Wiggins could be causing trouble?
The chain seems to twang around on the pedal stroke.

The title of the thread - I Primi Piatti
Bartali

I thought he had stopped using the oval rings?
Bartali

Nice clip Huw.  The climbs (and descent) look dangerously narrow.
HuwB

Starting the first ramp. Nice and narrow.
Break has 8 minutes, but few climbers.
HuwB

Ryder Hesjedal's title defence is over.
Dying a thousand deaths at a very early stage.
gerry12ie

WTF? No highlights on ES tonight - what about the workers?

I guess they will have to set their alarms for 6am...
HuwB

Beautiful road............but I wouldn't want to do it in the wet!
Surprised at Henao's early departure.
Beasley

Has to be said, even though Astana went to the front, Wiggins looked much more comfortable on that descent than he has previously.

By the looks of it, Nibali only has one man left. It's going to be a long couple of weeks in the high hills for Vince... maybe time to invest in a power meter for company? Wink
sabcarrera

One Astana is in white
Bartali

Are there really no highlights on the tellybox tonight!  FFS!!
Fontfroide

Kangert, the Astana in white, gone.

At this point, I think it gets to mano a mano.  the last four k, all help will be irrelevant.  All down to the last few k still.  No heroic breaks on this stage.
cyclingtv

sean's commentary.. simply the best..

seems hesjedel has bronchitis..

that is all.. ciao..
Fontfroide

I thought Henao was gone.  Seems there.

Yes, attack attack attack.
Fontfroide

I know you won't believe it, but I was surprised no one took Uran, and almost picked him.  But I thought not.  I doubt he can hold off all the attacks to come, but still, he must feel good he was let off the leash a bit.  If Nibali does not care, and Betancur or someone does not attack for stage glory, then Uran could just win because "the Giro is long and many things can happen".
Fontfroide

I am waiting for the second AG2R rider to  attack.
Fontfroide

I also lost track of Henao again.
Fontfroide

Allez Carlos
mazda

Fontfroide wrote:
Allez Carlos


Do you think he knows there is someone ahead of him today  Wink
mazda

Wiggins will still be ahead of Uran on GC ?
Bartali

Time gaps please someone ... the Eurosport ticker is rubbish!
HuwB

Great stage that. Totally not a one horse race.
The little guys want to play, too.
Beat me to Bentacur, this am, FF.
I thought about Uran before settling on Cuddles. Embarassed

Wiggins? Not looking likely, more like toast.
Slapshot 3

Wiggins is gone.....whats the bets he's already on the phone to Brailsford with the "When do we shaft Froomey" call
Fontfroide

Colombian Flag with Uran.  Guess where he will ride next year.
mazda

Bartali wrote:
Time gaps please someone ... the Eurosport ticker is rubbish!

I'm looking at Gazzetta website and can't figure out how to use it  Embarassed
HuwB

GC

1 Nibali (AST)
2 Evans (BMC) +0:41
3 Uran (SKY) +2:04
4 Wiggins (SKY) +2:05
5 Gesink (BLA) +2:12
6 Scarponi (LAM) +2:13
7 Santambrogio (VIN) +2:55
8 Niemiec (LAM) +3:35
9 Pozzovivo (ALM) +4:17
10 Majka (TST) +4:21
Bartali

1 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 4:37:42
2 Carlos Alberto Betancur Gomez (Col) Ag2R La Mondiale 0:00:20
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:00:31
4 Mauro Santambrogio (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 0:00:31
5 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:31
6 Rafal Majka (Pol) Team Saxo-Tinkoff 0:00:31
7 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Ag2R La Mondiale 0:00:31
8 Robert Kiserlovski (Cro) RadioShack Leopard 0:00:47
9 Benat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:06
10 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:01:08
Beasley

Including bonuses, Nibali gained 50s on Wiggins, but lost 50s on Uran. Evans right on Nibali's tail, but the gap on GC will open due to Nibali finishing third. Santambrogio also up there. Scarponi finished behind Wiggins.

With bonuses, Uran took 1-34 out of Wiggins, which should put him ahead in GC.
Bartali

Huw, SS - Can we call that a blanket finish! Wink
Bartali

Interesting ....
gerry12ie

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Wiggins is gone.....whats the bets he's already on the phone to Brailsford with the "When do we shaft Froomey" call


He can try - but Froome will break him...
mazda

HuwB wrote:
Great stage that. Totally not a one horse race.
The little guys want to play, too.
Beat me to Bentacur, this am, FF.
I thought about Uran before settling on Cuddles. Embarassed


Evans was a decent enough choice, came in 5th.
4 on Nibs, 2 on Betancur.

Looks like time bonuses for Uran, both at finish and at the Sprint point half way up last climb, have put him ahead of Wiggins.

Nibs gained 12 seconds on Evans in the same way.
pantanifan

I never thought Wiggins would win this Giro, but I hope he respects the race by completing the course...
Beasley

Henao's collapse was unexpected. In the whole scheme of things it may not matter a great deal - perhaps makes DB's life easier, even - but his horsepower will be missed.
Slapshot 3

Bartali wrote:
Huw, SS - Can we call that a blanket finish! Wink


Deleted mine, you got there first mate
HuwB

Are you being framed?



Must be honest, it brought a titter, but I hope it wasn't as steep as it looks!
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
I'm looking at Gazzetta website and can't figure out how to use it  Embarassed


It is a terrible design. I am amazed given that it's for a GT.

HuwB wrote:
Are you being framed?



Must be honest, it brought a titter, but I hope it wasn't as steep as it looks!


I came to the conclusion that since the other spectator's resting stare was fairly horizontal rather than down the hill, we were allowed a titter.

Looking at GC tonight, I had expected Betancur to be a bit higher given two successful attacks out of the Rosa group and two sets of bonus seconds. I tend not to pay a lot of attention to GCs until the first MTF, so I must go back and see where he lost a lot.

Nibali is looking very strong - I would say stronger than he ever has. I do not recognise the rider that got bossed by Sky at the Tour last year.

At the moment, Uran looks the most likely of any contender to be able to take a fight to Nibali. Wiggins ongoing struggles remind me of his Sky debut year where he kept on hyping his numbers but the road clearly demonstrated otherwise.

Evan's year to year form continues to surprise me. Up and down. Down and up.

Is anyone watching in HD? I'm not, but even so the snow covered mountains looked stunning today. Maybe I will have a go at rescanning my box to see if anything has appeared.
HuwB

I'm watching Eurosport, (Ad infested) Sporza (ad free) and Rai, (in diretta and processo alla tappa) all in HD. Wink
You are right, stunning and majestic.
Mountains such as today's put the Grand into Grand Tours.
gerry12ie

I'm pissed off I can't see decent highlights today.   Twisted Evil

Best I could youtube...


Link
Bartali

Thanks Gerry ... I enjoyed that!!
gerry12ie

Another instalment of Robert Millar's excellent blog...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/...ome-in-number-one-your-time-is-up

Quote:
When Sky started work on the front of the bunch en route to Montasio it looked like normal service would be resumed with Brad being the chosen one and the Colombians being at his disposal. I even half-suspected that by sending Uran on the attack on the final hill, it was meant to be so Brad could bridge up to him and then they could do some TTT-ing to the line. It's a pity the fierce pace that Siutsou, Cataldo and Zandio imposed at the bottom of the climb hurt their team leader as much as it hurt the others. There are shades of the Froome / Vuelta 2011 beginning to show through in their team tactics though and if Uran is on the way out of the team it won't look too smart if he finishes in front of Wiggins. More tricky questions for Dave Brailsford are coming.
Bartali

I was just reading that over on CN - I do think he writes well.  I wonder why the TV guys don't use him .... Glasweigen accent?
HuwB

News of the day: Sylvain Georges positive for Heptaminol.

Live with 83 kms to go, the break at 4 and a half, so, it looks like we should get some GC action.
kathy

I'm back,but kooks like I KOD'd Henao yesterday!
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
I was just reading that over on CN - I do think he writes well.  I wonder why the TV guys don't use him .... Glasweigen accent?


I know why the TV does not use him.  I am sure you do too.  Must be hidden irony.  You should put in a wink or a laugh.  I am easily confused.
HuwB

I reckon Garmin are about to win a consolation stage.
Beasley

Largely uneventful stage, so far.

For what it's worth, with time bonuses off the cards, I can't see the GC men trying anything.

Astana have looked better today, but I think that has as much to do others letting them have their own way rather than their strength. The real test will be when Sky put the pressure on from the gun.

Navardauskuas' on the verge of saving Garmin's Giro.
Fontfroide

Yep, a good finish I thought, but this Garmin guy shows no sign of cracking.  I love the break, but will be really waiting for the race in the larger bunch with the leaders in it.  There should be action there.
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
I know why the TV does not use him.  I am sure you do too.  Must be hidden irony.  You should put in a wink or a laugh.  I am easily confused.


Does he have a worse dress-sense than Roger Hammond? Roger's Vuelta shirts nearly scrambled my TV screen!
Fontfroide

No one knows what he dresses like these days.  But one thing is sure, he does not want to see people from his former profession.  In fact he is so hidden very few people know where he is.  He just dropped out of one life and began another.

I myself am delighted he still writes now and again.  Always liked the guy.  Kind of quirky.  Rode well.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Bartali wrote:
I was just reading that over on CN - I do think he writes well.  I wonder why the TV guys don't use him .... Glasweigen accent?


I know why the TV does not use him.  I am sure you do too.  Must be hidden irony.  You should put in a wink or a laugh.  I am easily confused.


Are those stories really true? I've always had my doubts ... I suspect he is just a private man.  Anyway, I was thinking about the 'Kelly' role rather than in the studio.

Bearsley - As I understand it, some of the Astana's have been ill/injured so they may be getting it together again. It will be interesting to see how Sky play this.  They are in a good position, with good riders, but if neither are quite good enough (at the moment), then they will need luck too.  Leaky gas were in a similar position in 2009(?) with Basso and Pellizotti - but ultimately they couldn't crack Menchov.  Interesting times ahead ....
HuwB

The weather is due to take another turn for the worse.
Rain forecast for the next, two flat stages and then this,
for the weekend's mountain stages:
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Sestriere+ITPM2483:1:IT

Both stages under threat? Don't fancy the Galibier's chances, atm.
JohnD

Good call about the break sticking today Huw
Boogerd_Fan

If the weather is nasty in the Alps will they protest or change the route? Hope not. Looking forward for those stages... sleeping through these flat ones.
HuwB

Deep joy:

Daniel Lloyd ‏@daniellloyd1 3m  Rain update! Officially never personally seen sustained rain like it. Will be epic if they race. TV pictures uncertain.
kathy

Sodden,dark and miserable.  A bit like we came through coming back from the mountains yesterday!
kathy

Crash up front!
kathy

What are Saxo up to?
HuwB

Awful weather, but chapeau to RAI for producing stable live pictures.
Norway has no pictures, due to the weather.
kathy

Scarponi having problems?
kathy

NOw Wiggins is off the back again
HuwB

kathy wrote:
NOw Wiggins is off the back again


Completely missed by Quigley on Eurosport.
Over a minute down.
gerry12ie

Is today the day Bradley climbs off?
cyclingtv

sad to see this.. wiggins not well..

sky have gone on without him?
HuwB

Blimey, ctv, winter hibernation over? Wink

Henao with Uran, mid-peloton.
The rest are lost in space.
HuwB

LOL: Sisters.
One phones with 3kms to go and another turns up at the door.
Not as if they don't know.

Cav from Bouhanni.
Bit of elbows between Nacer and Modolo.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
No Viviani.
Bartali

Not seen it but has Wiggins been exposed as the ultimate fair weather cyclist?  Shame if he really has that big a problem in the wet and certainly not the way I wanted him to lose out on this Giro.

As with all these things I suspect there is a lot we will never know whether that be politics, health, mental state whatever ....
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
LOL: Sisters.
One phones with 3kms to go and another turns up at the door.
Not as if they don't know . . .


I imagine it was synchronised and just a practice run for them before them weekend's key stages Wink
pantanifan

BBC reporting "Sir Bradley Wiggins has been withdrawn from the Giro" ...

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22562724
Fontfroide

Hesjedal out as well.  Quite sad to see really.

I guess there is the Tour now.  And it should complicate things immensely for Sky, with Wiggo facing up to nothing much won for the year.
HuwB

Not surprised given the weekend's weather forecast.
Would be madness, with illness.

Mmmm, just seen that the uncategorised lump towards
the end of today's stage is actually 10km at 5%.
Spanner in the FP works? I'm now figuring the likely outcome
will be the break to stick.
Bartali

A shame for both Hesjedal and Wiggins.  Hesjedal has never looked good since his early salvos in the first week and Wiggins was in trouble with the weather before the chest infection hit.  Not geed for either guy.

It will be interesting to see how well Wiggins bounces back.  Effectivel he's won nothing this year while the froome dog has blitzed everyone bar Nibali.

I'd like to see a resurgent Wiggins in July, but I have a gut feeling that he'll struggle to bounce back from this.
SlowRower

HuwB wrote:
Would be madness, with illness.


Indeed. Exercising hard through illness generally only has one outcome from the "kill or cure" scale, unfortunately.

The question is, was getting dropped on the flat yesterday a cunning ploy to keep folk on side after deciding to pull out and focus on the Tour (and thus b*gger things up for Froome)? Or was he genuinely that ill? (Not life threateningly so, but enough to convert him from elite athlete to also ran).
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
I'd like to see a resurgent Wiggins in July, but I have a gut feeling that he'll struggle to bounce back from this.


Certainly at Wiggo's age, the end is probably nigh, notwithstanding Cadel's geriatric heroics.

There's three scenarios as I see it:

1 - genuinely ill, in which case recovering from illness and training properly for Tour will be very difficult, though the Vuelta would then be a good option

2 - a bluff, following lost time early on and realisation that Nibali and Evans are simply better than him this year

3 - lower performance levels this year either due to change of doctor or old fashioned off-season slacking

It might be tactically wise to retire from the road this year. Poor performance this year could be written off as being due to illness, and his legend would remain intact. Another season of cr*pness and he's risking being labelled a "one hit wonder".

He could take it easy in 2014, milk the sponsorship opportunuties and then start the build up for the TP in Rio. Or alternatively sign for OPQS to be Cav's lead-out man!
pantanifan

4. last season's Tour was ideal to suit his talents and there is never likely to be another Grand Tour which is so tailored to his needs in the rest of his career...?
SlowRower

pantanifan wrote:
4. last season's Tour was ideal to suit his talents and there is never likely to be another Grand Tour which is so tailored to his needs in the rest of his career...?


Agreed - He might have designed it himself!

I was just thinking of scenarios directly relevant to this year's Giro.
Bartali

I don't question him being genuinely ill, though I think all your points probably have a little bit of truth in them.

Ive mentioned it before, but I still struggle to understand why he abandoned a proven route to success ... worse still, sat by while Froome seemingly pursued that route.

Going forward, I think the veneer of 'invincibility' has been smashed and his personal confidence looks shattered.  All the indicators are that Froome would destroy him in July .... so I suspect he won't turn up.
pantanifan

Bartali wrote:
Ive mentioned it before, but I still struggle to understand why he abandoned a proven route to success ... worse still, sat by while Froome seemingly pursued that route.


Is it possible that he started to believe his own publicity - I mean a first British winner of the TdF - pretty incredible, why not become the first UK winner of the Giro? And even do the double?
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
Ive mentioned it before, but I still struggle to understand why he abandoned a proven route to success ... worse still, sat by while Froome seemingly pursued that route.


My guess would be that he enjoyed the social aspect of the off-season too much then realised in early training camps that he was way off the pace. This then necessitated a campaign of bluffing to avoid highlighting that he was off the pace.

I guess when you've had the type of season that Wiggo had in 2012 then motivation could be hard to come by. Conversely, the Froomedog must have been highly motivated, as he knew that he had to obtain top-dog status for the Tour via early season form rather than reputation.
Bartali

I suspect Pantanifan and SR are both right.  That said, his ITT (second half) was very respectible.

The wet weather descending is what has surprised me.  I can't remember him ever descending in the rain so I don't know whether what we have seen is particularly unusual for him.  Whatever ... its a sad thing if he's lost his bottle.

After the worlds greatest GT is finished, I'll start plotting Froome downfall in July ... cos I don't think it will be Wiggins.
HuwB

Very gentle countryside around Alba and Asti.
Not much happening.
Siutsou and Cataldo detached on the descent for some reason, along with Pirazzi.
HuwB

Cav from Nizzolo  Smile  and Mezgec.
Fontfroide

Goodness, Pozzato has made an appearance in the race, bottom of top ten.  Maybe he was ill and is now ready for action.  A bit late.
Fontfroide

Holy Mackerel, the climb for 60 k or more tomorrow to get to Sestrieeres.  I presume it is not an awesome slope, but 60 odd k is outrageous.  Some of you must know that climb.  I don't.
mazda

I've done something similar sat on a coach from the airport to the ski resort.
Felt like we were going up forever !
Bartali

Another lucky win for Cavendish ... the luck of the manx!! Wink
JohnD

Hehehe Bartali

They're a bit arsey on BR Huw!

Viviani just gave up in the sprint today.

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