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HuwB

Giro 2012: The Danish Stages - May 5th-7th.

Not sure if it's necessary to have single stage threads, given our recent response rate, so I thought it might be better to portion them into more user friendly sizes.
Hence the Denmark opener.

Updated startlist:
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editi...tartlijst&editie_idd=MjI5MTI=

Stage 1: Herning ITT 8.7kms




Stage 2: Herning-Herning 206kms




Stage 3: Horsens-Horsens 190kms


Boogerd_Fan

which reminds me... to turn on the Giro in the 2nd week Very Happy
Nolte

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
which reminds me... to turn on the Giro in the 2nd week Very Happy


depends whether you count stage 7 as being first week or second week (it is on the second saturday).

anyway looking at the fsecond and third stage, how big a factor will the wind be on that day.
i'll be missing the sunday stage but hopefully get the highlights on monday morning
Fontfroide

I think the idea of starting in Denmark and having a rest day after three days is nearly as silly as having the World Cup in Qatar.  What to both of these events have in common?

Highest point in Denmark 171m.  Highest point in Qatar 103m.  But in both places, the wind is said to be the factor.  The wind, which sometimes does not blow.

I will still watch both events, but it is pretty silly.

My wife says maybe money has something to do with it.
berck

Well, at least they aren't starting in Washington DC
Nolte

berck wrote:
Well, at least they aren't starting in Washington DC


and that liestrong - bontrager isn't at the race Very Happy

i think 5 posts now on this thread has exceeded Huw's original expectations Wink
HuwB

Indeed Nolte!
Still, hopefully it can be used by the 3 members who will be watching the race? Wink

Anyhow, here's something that you won't get from the ASO.
The full Giro roadbook to view, or even better, to save a copy, since it's in PDF format:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2012/it/GARIBALDI.pdf

I've just got mine. Smile
gerry12ie

Thanks for posting Huw.  Much appreciated
Biosphere

Thanks Huw. The Ligurian correspondent might even post a few photos when the race visits those parts Wink

Talk here of the possibility of snow in central and northern parts of Italy on Friday so that might have an impact as the race goes on.
Guiness

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
which reminds me... to turn on the Giro in the 2nd week Very Happy


HA ha ha!
HuwB

Guiness wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
which reminds me... to turn on the Giro in the 2nd week Very Happy


HA ha ha!


Indeed.
It may be 416 pages (some rather blurred) long, but the roadbook tells the tale of those second weekend climbs.
Rocca di Cambio is not very impressive; sub Montevergine, even.
In fact, the route is more reminiscent of a bog standard TDF.
Boogerd_Fan

I'm still quite sure without a dominant force like Bertie, the 10 or so contenders going there thinking that they have a chance will light up the racing on those mountain finishes. Even better if there are a few "not so steep" ones, so even guys like RK can test their legs. I don't know. I'm quite optimistic about it being a very open, close Giro - until Stages 19 & 20 that is Very Happy
Slapshot 3

Thanks Huw....not been about much I'm afraid, playing nursemaid again, The boss had her bunions done last week and is immobile..quiet time on here is a bit limited!!
HuwB

Watched Rai's Giro presentation show, this evening.
The ITT course if technically difficult, with something like 16 corners and a cobbled section in the first half.
If, as forecast, they get a shower tomorrow afternoon, things could get tricky.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Indeed Nolte!
Still, hopefully it can be used by the 3 members who will be watching the race? Wink


Four members!  I'll be glued to the TV as much as possible .... it is the Giro after all!!!
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
The ITT course if technically difficult, with something like 16 corners and a cobbled section in the first half.
If, as forecast, they get a shower tomorrow afternoon, things could get tricky.


I hope not ... my man Basso could lose minutes!
Biosphere

Giro/Team GB stuff

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...ter-kennaugh-giro-ditalia-olympic
Beasley

The technical difficult of the prologue depends entirely on how tight they make the corner. If they're generous with the barriers and the road surface is good (and dry!) they won't have a problem sweeping round on a TT bike.
maffy



someone's made a killing on pink outdoor carpets this week Laughing

the lucky borgens Embarassed
HuwB

Jackson Rodriguez has kicked off the Giro. Smile

For those who like their Giro in it's native language, we have ourselves a non-restricted RAI stream:
http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/rai...38313-40e4-41c2-a869-1db4957e424e
Severo

I'm resisting turning on the TV as I don't think my wife will be happy with four hours of prologue...
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Jackson Rodriguez has kicked off the Giro. Smile

For those who like their Giro in it's native language, we have ourselves a non-restricted RAI stream:
http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/rai...38313-40e4-41c2-a869-1db4957e424e


for **** sake, the fool

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misread the post. i thought the word "been" was between "has" and "kicked" Wink
HuwB

Severo wrote:
I'm resisting turning on the TV as I don't think my wife will be happy with four hours of prologue...


Eurosport are also resisting the prologue. Showing interviews and general rubbish.
Robbie Hunter the early leader. I'd suggest 50 kph or there abouts for the winner.
Riders coming in under 44kph......
kathy

Well I will try and post here, hoping the dreaded IE doesn't crash my Netbook. Still can't log in with Firefox!

Berto thinks Kreuziger is too big and heavy to win the Giro.
maffy

beasley. how much time lost do you reckon for new/old fangled short point smurf hat for sergent dropping his already low head down all the time when the point doesn't get that high into the wind?
maffy

so far, the sprinty types seem to be gannin' alright. doesn't look like it'll rain or nowt.
Biosphere

Burt Lancaster's off now.
maffy

cvdv chasing him. no sign or mention of him on tv-taliens, so road capitano...

...pointy end ahoy...
MS

kathy wrote:
Well I will try and post here, hoping the dreaded IE doesn't crash my Netbook. Still can't log in with Firefox!

Berto thinks Kreuziger is too big and heavy to win the Giro.


He's the next Karpets.
maffy

MS wrote:
He's the next Karpets.


pink karpets? he's probably flattered deceivingly today, dunno, this time i think he's got half a chance until he borks up the mountains. never been quite this convinced before Very Happy
kathy

TT specialists seem a bit thin on the ground in this Giro!
Biosphere

RAI saying that the wind and corners in the first half are counting against the smaller riders.
Beasley

Boaro fasted at first check point... until Thomas went fasters

Leg speed for the track paid off - now he just has to hope the endurance from Romandie pays off, too
Bartali

Good boy GT
Severo

Which Phinney beats with some ease!
Bartali

Oh well ..... that was short lived.
Beasley

Phinney goes fastest, 10-26.

(Thomas +9)

First rider over 50kph
Biosphere

> 50 km/h Shocked
maffy

c'mon silly daft rasmussen Wink

blimey gaspa
Bartali

You couldn't miss Pippo in the dark!!
Bartali

Scarponi looks good in the Maglia Rosa ...
Bartali

Basso 3 seconds down on RK .... that's a good ride in my book.
maffy

yep must be the big blue hat effect Wink
berck

Biosphere wrote:
> 50 km/h Shocked


Are you thinking he moved over to the dark side? Wink
Bartali

Scarponi down on Basso ... by a lot!!
Beasley

Scarponi's gonna lose a bundle
berck

Yeah, he's closer to Schleck, but behind him too.
Beasley

Of those with GC aspirations, Pinotti got the jump. J-Rod the biggest surprise, only +4 on Basso.

Bad day for the Lampre boys. When Cunego finished earlier his afternoon with a time just south of 11-30 I doubt he expected to end the day as Lampre's unofficial 'team leader'!

As a U23/neo-pro Phinney got a reputation for getting in sticky spots after good ITTs. Be interested to see if he can hang tough over the next couple of days. If he can, he'll take the jersey to Italy: not many sprinters in sight!
Biosphere

berck wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
> 50 km/h Shocked


Are you thinking he moved over to the dark side? Wink


No, it was just that the leading time stood for ages, and then what felt like 3 riders in a row, took significant chunks out of it and each other.

The people of Herning are being spoiled this weekend. Same closing km tomorrow and they get the start in the morning too.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
> 50 km/h Shocked

0.36km faster than I predicted.
I wish I could be that accurate with my fps!

Had to stop watching, as usual, half way through.

Much as expected The Phinney monster powers to the win, with that nice Mr "Welshcake" Thomas second.
Scarponi slower than Frank "Why am I here?" Schleck, does not bode well.
Luckily, he's got over a week before a half decent climb, to find half decent form.

Interesting fact: Didi Domenico Pozzavivo beats Jack Bobridge over twice the pursuit distance, on the flat! Very Happy
Boogerd_Fan

it's still only 25 seconds... but interesting to see that other climbers (non-Lampre) did a lot better.
Beasley

In real terms, Schleck has surrendered 20s to Basso and a tad more to Kreuziger. Not a great deal in the whole scheme of things.

The bigger issue, with Scarponi especially, is not the damage done on GC (+27s to Basso), but that his performance was decidedly subpar. In an ITT, a rider that looks ok but records a bad time is more noteworthy (/troubling) than one that looks as awful as their time suggests.

Scarponi was the former, Schleck was the latter.
Bartali

Anyone think it funny that Harman(?) is so hard on vino and other dopers .... yet ES are deferring to Contador for expert analysis.  Talk about mixed messaging ......
Beasley

70km to go, just under 4 minutes back to the peloton

Been quite a leisurely pace so far: a touch over 40km/h for the peloton

Sky tapping out the tempo.
HuwB

Absolutely nothing to report..................
kathy

Sky looks dodgy up ahead
MS

Where are Phinney's teammates?
HuwB

BMC: Bike Missing Chain.
HuwB

Rabo riders all to be issued with "L" plates? Embarassed
Cav cruising. Another day in Denmark, the same result.
kathy

I,m fed up.  I've picked 4th 2 days eunning! Laughing
Fontfroide

Yeah, but those of us who know, us wise experienced people, we know that fourth two days in a row means you just didn't get lucky.  I usually pick eighth if I am lucky, so don't even have your almost prestige.

What glory is there in picking Cav to win anyway.  And no one even thought of picking Geoffrey Soupe.  Who IS Geoeffrey Soupe anyway?  I think the main plan Madiot can come up with in sprints is to tell the lads to get up front and get on someone's wheel.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
BMC: Bike Missing Chain.


Makes me think Roche has a point.  It looked to me that Phinney made up a 40s deficit on the peloton in about 2km (within the last 7km?) .... most of it solo before his pals dropped back.  That's just silly.

Another notch to Cavendish's belt.
HuwB

Unfortunately, young Mr Guardini was also involved in that crash.
Hope he's OK for the coming sprintfest week.
Kristoff to hospital, with a suspected wrist fracture, I believe.
Bartali

I hate crashes .... poor fellas
Severo

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
BMC: Bike Missing Chain.


Makes me think Roche has a point.  It looked to me that Phinney made up a 40s deficit on the peloton in about 2km (within the last 7km?) .... most of it solo before his pals dropped back.  That's just silly.

Another notch to Cavendish's belt.


A lot of help from the team car, mind.
berck

kathy wrote:
I,m fed up.  I've picked 4th 2 days running! Laughing


Yep, its happened to me a few times too. Laughing
Bartali

Severo wrote:
Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
BMC: Bike Missing Chain.


Makes me think Roche has a point.  It looked to me that Phinney made up a 40s deficit on the peloton in about 2km (within the last 7km?) .... most of it solo before his pals dropped back.  That's just silly.

Another notch to Cavendish's belt.


A lot of help from the team car, mind.
 Indeed .... IMO it spoils the sport.
MS

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
BMC: Bike Missing Chain.


Makes me think Roche has a point.  It looked to me that Phinney made up a 40s deficit on the peloton in about 2km (within the last 7km?) .... most of it solo before his pals dropped back.  That's just silly.

Another notch to Cavendish's belt.


I agree with all of Roche's points. I would add that they need to return to the rule that allowed the riders to ditch the heat traps on their heads on finishing climbs of whatever length. If someone can advance an intelligent argument for why we should not return to that rule, I'm all ears, but I doubt there is one to be made.
Bartali

I totally agree MS!
Biosphere

MS wrote:
Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
BMC: Bike Missing Chain.


Makes me think Roche has a point.  It looked to me that Phinney made up a 40s deficit on the peloton in about 2km (within the last 7km?) .... most of it solo before his pals dropped back.  That's just silly.

Another notch to Cavendish's belt.


I agree with all of Roche's points. I would add that they need to return to the rule that allowed the riders to ditch the heat traps on their heads on finishing climbs of whatever length. If someone can advance an intelligent argument for why we should not return to that rule, I'm all ears, but I doubt there is one to be made.


Some of Roche's points were areas that merit discussion, but some were just stupid to me.

However, considering the context that according to him these were the big problems that cycling needs to address and comments that cyclists are like children that need to be punished for their own good betrays where he's really coming from. He's the blue eyed, chubby cheeked face of the UCI.

I'd be surprised if many casual spectators thought Phinney was cheating yesterday (this was the claim that was made, rather than us debating how much assistance is acceptable). For sure he was helped by cars, but the pace seemed rather relaxed up front and at one point there were about 4 trains in parallel. It was not strung out in the way that HTC used to do it.
kathy

Hope Ferrari gets chucked off the race for that!  Idiot Twisted Evil
Bartali

I'm no Cavendish fan, but that was shocking!  What was ferarri thinking of?

Phinney down again and no amount of drafting is going to get him back from that.  Poor lad ... horrible!
HuwB

kathy wrote:
Hope Ferrari gets chucked off the race for that!  Idiot Twisted Evil


Tried to follow all the fall out on RAI.
Ferrari gave an interview, smirking all along and said: "I don't look at what's happening behind me." Dq'd to last on the stage, I believe.
Phinney hobbled off the stage to give a nice upbeat interview.
Things not as bad as first thought.

Outside of that, I slept for the first 50kms.

GreenEdge had the train edge, today. Cav was struggling, but we are yet to see whether the full on afterburners are working.

Yesterday I fp'd Bos, today, Cav.
The KOD king is back!
Nolte

ferrari really should have gone for the left hand side rather than the right. he had plenty of room on the left to me anyway.

good bike handling skills by demare and the liquigas rider who did the bunny hop
gerry12ie

Ferrari really shouldn't be allowed start tomorrow that was disgraceful.  Dangerous and idiotic and it sounds like his reaction was even more idiotic.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
I'd be surprised if many casual spectators thought Phinney was cheating yesterday (this was the claim that was made, rather than us debating how much assistance is acceptable). For sure he was helped by cars, but the pace seemed rather relaxed up front and at one point there were about 4 trains in parallel. It was not strung out in the way that HTC used to do it.


Well I'd call him out for cheating.  The peloton might not have been going full gas, but 40s in 2km is beyond the pale IMO.

What's the news on Phinney today?  Did he finish the stage?  Looked horrible ... poor fella.
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
I'd be surprised if many casual spectators thought Phinney was cheating yesterday (this was the claim that was made, rather than us debating how much assistance is acceptable). For sure he was helped by cars, but the pace seemed rather relaxed up front and at one point there were about 4 trains in parallel. It was not strung out in the way that HTC used to do it.


Well I'd call him out for cheating.  The peloton might not have been going full gas, but 40s in 2km is beyond the pale IMO.

What's the news on Phinney today?  Did he finish the stage?  Looked horrible ... poor fella.


he's been classified as finishing the stage and he collected the maglia rosa at the end according to cyclingnews
Bartali

That's good Nolte.  I saw him get in the Ambulance and feared the worse.
Beasley

The switch itself wasn't a DSQ. Grounds for relegation, certainly, but it falls under the broad umbrella of 'racing incident' for me.

What was more troubling was his alleged comments post-stage. Every race bible I've ever read spells it out to competitors that they have a responsibility to other road users and should act accordingly. The race organiser and his team have an obligation to other participants to ensure Ferrari understands he isn't racing in a vacuum.  If not, that is grounds for his removal.
kathy

Oh, come on, Beasley.  He showed total disregard for other faster riders whom he knew would be coming up on the outside.  I have never seen a rider make such a deviation so late in the race.  As Nolte said, there was plenty of room on the inside if he wanted to change course, although I think that would have been dodgy so close to the line!
Biosphere

Beasley wrote:
What was more troubling was his alleged comments post-stage . . .


Nothing I've read distorted what I saw him say on the TV now I've caught up.  As I understand it anyway.

In his first interview at the finish line he did seem a bit bothered and he wasn't smiling, but later on outside the team bus he's smiling so I don't know if that was after the news that he wasn't going home. In between you've got Savio in the studio earnestly apologising in the name of the team and especially in the name of Ferrari.

It was too much of a swerve for me.
Bartali

I read on CN that his foot slipped .... whatever that means?
Beasley

This is the bit I would have a problem with:

Quote:
Roberto Ferrari defiant after causing Giro sprint crash

When he finally commented on the crash he had caused, he was defiant about his action that had brought Cavendish crashing down so spectacularly.
“I don’t know who was behind me,” he said. “I know that when Farrar went I threw myself right and somebody hooked me back. There was space to pass, I don’t know who was on the wheel or what happened.

“I made my sprint,” he added. “I was on my course. I was in front of him [Cavendish], I don’t care what happens behind me.”

As I said, every technical guide I've ever read (UCI/BC mandate that ever race has to have one) stresses that the bolded isn't acceptable
Bartali

Agreed ... if that's what he said and nothing has been lost in translation, then its totally unacceptable!  Frightening in fact!
Biosphere

He's getting the message, but there are a few others that merit an apology too if he's going down that road.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...avendish-after-giro-ditalia-crash
Bartali

Interesting photo in that link of him crossing the line with his foot unclipped ...

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