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Giro 2012: Some Contorni Stages - May 13th-16th

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Nolte

tomorrow's stage is interesting with after the 9km uphill section, it flatens ut for the final 5km. However i don't think with the flat 5km that any gc contender would be looking at attacking on the climb with tougher stages to come in the 3rd week.
kathy

No-one watching today?
HuwB

kathy wrote:
No-one watching today?


I'm watching, but I'm behind by about 30 minutes. (54kms to go for me)
The break had no chance.
The parcour not as interesting as yesterday.
Early finish on the cards, too.

BENNATI out, Van Winden, too.

Whats' up with Pozzato? Off the back early, deliberately bleeding time, so as to be allowed up the road in breaks, next week?
kathy

Amador trying hard!
Bartali

I'm watching too!!
Beasley

Basso's boys are dishing out the pain... portions to become extra large, no doubt!

Hesjedal's hanging on for dear life.
kathy

Pozzo goes for it!
HuwB

One word for that: Pozzotivo.
He was "at it" with "ET" Sella, at CSF Navigare, back in 2008.
I've been watching that farce again, with them handing out drubbings to Ricco and Contador.

This year, he has been even more "unbelievable", than then.

45 seconds taken in a couple of kms, with a lot of guys appearing to be on the rivet.

Come the really big mountains and folks should be afraid..........very afraid.
gerry12ie

Hmmm something in that I would say.  He was expected to climb like that but certainly not to TT to the line like that.  The thing about 'unbelieveable' performances is that they tend to obscure how the rest are really going, and there looked to be some hard work going on in the chase on the flat.  Big mistake giving him time like that, I have a feeling a few big names might be chasing shadows come week 3...
gerry12ie

The attack of the Giant Podium Girls Very Happy

Boogerd_Fan

A pure climber can't do his thing without suspicion these days. I agree with Gerrie - expected that on the slopes.. but fun that he could keep the gap on the 4km to the line. Also interesting how after a weeks racing and prologue & TTT he's back in contention under a minute down... unlike someone like Gadret.
Bartali

Well the last 5km on the flat reminded me of Mr Ricco.  Sad that we always think the worse ... hope this guy is the exception.
Beasley

I'd like to see the power figures for Pozzovivo's ascent before I condemn him. No so bothered about the flat - it wasn't like he was holding off Cancellara, T. Martin, Thomas, etc.

Regardless, Pozzovivo and Scarponi have been the winners this weekend. Both within a minute of the GC and only spitting distance behind Basso and RK

Mediocre couple of stages for J-Rod, in what should have been his playground. Do or die on Tuesday if he wants to be in with a shout for the overall.

Must be said, Basso looked very comfortable both days. IIRC, Basso likes the Alps, and the Leaky Express will be going full bore come stage 14
ullrichfan

HuwB wrote:
One word for that: Pozzotivo.
He was "at it" with "ET" Sella, at CSF Navigare, back in 2008.
I've been watching that farce again, with them handing out drubbings to Ricco and Contador.

This year, he has been even more "unbelievable", than then.

45 seconds taken in a couple of kms, with a lot of guys appearing to be on the rivet.

Come the really big mountains and folks should be afraid..........very afraid.


Absolutely.

Those who don't know about CSF might want to look here (and it's a good resource for all other teams' doping histories)

http://www.dopeology.org/teams/CSF-Group-Navigare/

And let's worry about Savio's team, too: just think back to 2005 when Ivan Parra came from nowhere and won back-to-back mountain stages; and Rujano nearly won the race.  Former riders also include David Rebellin and Michele Scarponi.  This guy is up there with Riis and Bruyneel in the doping stakes.
HuwB

No posts on today's stage?
Pretty dull, but for the final few kms.
Put a 130 degree bend that close to the finish of a stage
and chances are there will be a crash.
Usually someone will over cook it and today it was Pile up Pippo.
Result: Ventoso wins from the bunch who were originally too far back in the group.

Stage 11 has an even more "technical" finish apparently.
Bartali

Work Huw.  I had to work.  Sad
HuwB

Worth 5 minutes of anyone's time.
RAI with the help of Team Sky, present's tomorrow's stunning finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIODPA4wezs
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Worth 5 minutes of anyone's time.
RAI with the help of Team Sky, present's tomorrow's stunning finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIODPA4wezs


That is impressive Very Happy

I think I can find 5 minutes tomorrow Wink

Caught up with today. Don't know if anybody else saw Si Gira, but the sight of Pozzovivo playing his keyboard this morning in front of spectators was quite surreal/amusing. He must get a bit sick of jokes about his stature (which I know I'm guilty of making). Everytime I've seen Basso interviewed this last week, he's been amazingly relaxed. It's quite striking to me.

Frank Schleck was interviewed in the 'studio' tonight after the stage. Pozzovivo caught his eye a a contender yesterday. He still thinks it's completely open and there's no strong contender. Questions about Anderson and Bruyneel but kids were being noisy. Grrr. Asked why Andy didn't come to Giro as there's too much TTing in France and he said he did fine in 2010, unlike 2011 when there was similar amount so lets wait and see. Every year is different. The suggestion that they should see different people was met with a we're stronger together. He seemed quite relaxed too and is happy with his form  and is taking it as it comes.
Geraint

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Worth 5 minutes of anyone's time.
RAI with the help of Team Sky, present's tomorrow's stunning finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIODPA4wezs


That is impressive Very Happy

I think I can find 5 minutes tomorrow Wink

Caught up with today. Don't know if anybody else saw Si Gira, but the sight of Pozzovivo playing his keyboard this morning in front of spectators was quite surreal/amusing. He must get a bit sick of jokes about his stature (which I know I'm guilty of making). Everytime I've seen Basso interviewed this last week, he's been amazingly relaxed. It's quite striking to me.

Frank Schleck was interviewed in the 'studio' tonight after the stage. Pozzovivo caught his eye a a contender yesterday. He still thinks it's completely open and there's no strong contender. Questions about Anderson and Bruyneel but kids were being noisy. Grrr. Asked why Andy didn't come to Giro as there's too much TTing in France and he said he did fine in 2010, unlike 2011 when there was similar amount so lets wait and see. Every year is different. The suggestion that they should see different people was met with a we're stronger together. He seemed quite relaxed too and is happy with his form  and is taking it as it comes.


Who's we? He was shit in last yr TDF
Biosphere

Geraint wrote:

Who's we? He was shit in last yr TDF


Andy and himself. Suppose he thinks two podiums from last year isn't too shabby.
maffy

Biosphere wrote:

Caught up with today. Don't know if anybody else saw Si Gira, but the sight of Pozzovivo playing his keyboard this morning in front of spectators was quite surreal/amusing. He must get a bit sick of jokes about his stature (which I know I'm guilty of making).

nothing odd on the marvelous miniature mechanical mouse organ whatsoever. plenty of strawberries to go around.

click to somewhat de-titchify

unlike when someone were a smidge stingy with the scatter-cushions/stools for ol' scarpers' barbershop quartet rehearsals.

"mrs s. wants us to practice baby on board"


Geraint wrote:
He was shit in last yr TDF

[kingkelly]majorly turd[/kingkelly]
Biosphere

maffy wrote:
unlike when someone were a smidge stingy with the scatter-cushions/stools for ol' scarpers' barbershop quartet rehearsals.


That was Scarponi himself making sure there was no room for Cunego if he turned up unexpectedly Wink
Biosphere

Pozzato goes home with broken hand

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/p...-of-giro-ditalia-with-broken-hand
Severo

HuwB wrote:
Worth 5 minutes of anyone's time.
RAI with the help of Team Sky, present's tomorrow's stunning finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIODPA4wezs


Giro d'Italia > Tour de France
Severo

The good news is we are on the fastest schedule, which I hope continues as I need to leave the house at 1720!
kathy

We might see who's really in mountain-climbing form today - besides Pozzo, of course!
Boogerd_Fan

has to be J-Rod on this finish.. unless??? Smile
Beasley

Sprinting up the Hill? It's (almost) like the Giro of old! Laughing
Severo

Polish ES got very excited by Huzarski.
HuwB

Huzarski and Slagter, not exactly the couple I would have picked to try to challenge the untouchable Purito.
A manic final 10kms.
Thank goodness no one came a cropper.

Schleck, Cunego and Rujano lost a little today.
tanya

Severo wrote:
Polish ES got very excited by Huzarski.


Sorry if this sounds arrogant, I mean it in a nice way, but I've never heard of him before, could you tell a bit more about him? Great ride today!
maffy

asking that is the opposite of arrogant Cool

here's what he's done before

tom-jelte slagter was perky

---
bah humbug. had to go out, didn't get to watch much today
Nolte

Severo wrote:
The good news is we are on the fastest schedule, which I hope continues as I need to leave the house at 1720!


so did it finish in time

the roads were very tight at the end.

i had thought today might have been one for the breakaway to stay away.

those roads were tight at the end.
on a religous point of view, st francis of Assisi was always my favourite saint. indeed, my confirmation name was Francis.
Bartali

I think my boy is riding very well.  Staying near the front everyday and not losing too much time on these bergs.  Come the real mountains I'm expecting a 2010 performance!
Boogerd_Fan

haha "on these bergs"

can't wait to see the highlights from today, especially with Slagter showing something meaningful - finally a Rabo climber without some hidden weakness (Gesink, Mollema etc).
Beasley

The only danger is if a 2010 performance is followed by a 2006 outcome!

We won't know for sure until he has to put his nose into the wind, but Basso has looked remarkably comfortable so far over terrain that doesn't suit him. Definitely in prime position for when climbing starts in earnest.
MS

Bartali wrote:
I think my boy is riding very well.  Staying near the front everyday and not losing too much time on these bergs.  Come the real mountains I'm expecting a 2010 performance!


He is probably in the best position he could have hoped. That said, he did best against fellow grinders Simoni and Evans for those two wins. He has problems, especially now, with the pure climbers with the more violent accelerations like Rodriguez and, I would say, Scarponi. We shall see. I kind of hope he pulls it off, but I think it may require putting everything on a stage like the Stelvio, because while he may be better than Rodriguez against the clock, he is no better than Scarponi, perhaps worse.
Bartali

Agreed, but Scarponi was there on the Zoncolon in 2010 as well.  We'll have all our questions answered soon enough ... and I'm looking forward to it.
Severo

tanya wrote:
Severo wrote:
Polish ES got very excited by Huzarski.


Sorry if this sounds arrogant, I mean it in a nice way, but I've never heard of him before, could you tell a bit more about him? Great ride today!


I think the commentators were also a bit surprised, normally they're just looking out for Szmyd and maybe Maciek Bodnar or Marczynski.
Severo

Nolte wrote:
Severo wrote:
The good news is we are on the fastest schedule, which I hope continues as I need to leave the house at 1720!


so did it finish in time


Even 10 minutes early or something like that (but today I must leave earlier, so there's no chance Sad )
HuwB

No chance indeed.
More like a travelogue than a bike race, today.
Slow, slow, quick, quick, crash?
Biosphere

So Cavendish lives near the finish when he's based on Italy.

Slow day indeed. They were averaging 37 km/h at one point.
HuwB

This finish is bound to end in tears. Not so much the bends but the fact it's only about 3 metres wide on the apex.
Bartali

The only stage I get to watch live since Sunday and its a bit of a snoozefest.  Oh .... Visconti attacks!!

Anyway .... any Giro is better than no Giro!!
Bartali

Is that caruso in the attack?
Bartali

FERRARI!
Bartali

Where was Cavendish?  Did the attack on the hill do its damage or was he over geared?
Bartali

Am I talking to myself???
gerry12ie

Bart, you are doing a lot better than I am.  I have seen only about 2 hours total since the Giro began Crying or Very sad
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Am I talking to myself???


I'm in and out of tunnels for the hour!
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Am I talking to myself???


I do it all the time. Wink

Isn't this what folks mean by a more traditional Giro.
Twisty, narrow town circuits used to appear by the handful.

Not so much a sprint as a survival of the smartest.

Ferrari carried the most speed out of the corner and walked it.
tanya

maffy wrote:
asking that is the opposite of arrogant Cool

here's what he's done before

tom-jelte slagter was perky


Great, thank you!!  Smile
Slapshot 3

tanya wrote:
maffy wrote:
asking that is the opposite of arrogant Cool

here's what he's done before

tom-jelte slagter was perky


Great, thank you!!  Smile


....you got your eye on another one flower??????  Wink
tanya

Slapshot 3 wrote:
tanya wrote:
maffy wrote:
asking that is the opposite of arrogant Cool

here's what he's done before

tom-jelte slagter was perky


Great, thank you!!  Smile


....you got your eye on another one flower??????  Wink


omg, what do you mean?!!  Razz
I asked a question, and thanked maffy for answering it!!
As you noticed, I did a brave trip outside the SMT-section comfort!

Stop stalking my posts!!  Very Happy
sabcarrera

Bartali wrote:
Where was Cavendish?  Did the attack on the hill do its damage or was he over geared?


Overgeared
sabcarrera

That takes Frank Schleck out of the reckoning
Biosphere

There was a lot of love for Pozzovivo on the roads yesterday.

maffy wrote:
Biosphere wrote:

Caught up with today. Don't know if anybody else saw Si Gira, but the sight of Pozzovivo playing his keyboard this morning in front of spectators was quite surreal/amusing. He must get a bit sick of jokes about his stature (which I know I'm guilty of making).

nothing odd on the marvelous miniature mechanical mouse organ whatsoever. plenty of strawberries to go around.

click to somewhat de-titchify


Showed his Si Gira appearance to the Mrs. (still not on Youtube) and she fell for him too, although his keyboard jazz solo was less convincing.

Is this Geo restricted?

http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/progra...4467-8aa6-cab754e037dc&page=0

Off to watch today's stage properly.
maffy

Biosphere wrote:

Is this Geo restricted?

http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/progra...467-8aa6-cab754e037dc&page=0.

that works here.

his mum disagrees about the quality of the soundz. much better outside of the house. he's the number one go-to-guy for weather info, too.

bigschleck looked like he vaguely cared about what happened in the bike race until yesterday. may still turn around, with the backloaded suspension of real excitement until the turd week, but probably not for him.
gerry12ie

I haven't seen much of this at all but I do notice how many comments there are about how well Basso looks.  Certainly Liquigas are riding like a team going for the big prize but I just fear he isn't raced enough.  Surely Pozzovivo will take more time and I wouldn't trust someone who has got into the bad habit of not finishing races to be able to pack a good enough TT to take him out.  Any ideas of how Pozzi's TT is?  I presume it is what we might expect but how much time do we think he can take on the climbs?
Boogerd_Fan

If Pozzo can keep his form until Stelvio i think they'll be in trouble. If not, I reckon it'll be a battle between Basso, Scarponi and Kreuziger.

JRod's had his "best" stages already. I am unsure what he might do when the hammer goes down on a 20km climb. I recall last year he wasn't able to sustain Bertie or Rujano's pace.

Not sure i agree with how great Basso's form is. Of course he's tranquillo. He's where he needed to be half way through the race. But there is still the question mark of form - when the hammer went down on both hill finishes so far, he lost seconds. I know thats not big mountains, but his diesel is gonna come under serious attack from the goats in next 2 weekends.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
I haven't seen much of this at all but I do notice how many comments there are about how well Basso looks.  Certainly Liquigas are riding like a team going for the big prize but I just fear he isn't raced enough.  Surely Pozzovivo will take more time and I wouldn't trust someone who has got into the bad habit of not finishing races to be able to pack a good enough TT to take him out.  Any ideas of how Pozzi's TT is?  I presume it is what we might expect but how much time do we think he can take on the climbs?

Oh yea of little faith.  Basso is a grand tour rider ... he'll be just fine!
Biosphere

No idea about what Basso's form is like or will be like. I've just been struck by how relaxed he seems by the whole thing and wondering what that means. It will be interesting to see.

Pozzovivo seems a bit fidgety and appearing at the head of affairs in the last few days but ultimately gaining nothing, don't know if he's just being alert or wasting his energy being nervous.

Thought RAI were being a bit provocative with Cavendish tonight. He was in the 'studio' at the finish line and when he arrived they showed him a slow motion dreamy music montage of himself, Mrs and baby over the last few days (kisses here and there, him on the podium with baby) to get him a bit emotional and then put him on a video phone with Ferrari saying he beat you today, what do you think of that? Cavendish congratulated him, but said he shouldn't still be in the race, but said that was down to the judges rather than Ferrari. Cipo was in studio too and along with the some of the studio pundits suggested that the lead out had gotten it wrong. Cavendish acknowledged that they were still learning and this was his first race with Thomas. He's happy with his condition and expects to peak in July for his two big appointments.

Mrs. was very amused by Cipo's shirt basically being unbuttoned down to about his belly button.
maffy

yeah. cav translation stuff...

hey, when did cipo ever button up?
Biosphere

maffy wrote:
yeah. cav translation stuff...

hey, when did cipo ever button up?


Well not everyone can speak Manx so I'm just helping out Wink

Cipo might be like Hasselhoff in Knight Rider - does up one extra button when he goes to a funeral as a mark of respect.
maffy

was hoff ever cool non-deutsch? i mean, we all randomly unfortunately accidentally knew who he was, but what the blinkin' hell was he doing on the wall?

evil lifeguard!
Biosphere

Evil twin - Garth Knight. He was just misunderstood and only stole the nuclear launch codes to get Dad's attention

sabcarrera

gerry12ie wrote:
I haven't seen much of this at all but I do notice how many comments there are about how well Basso looks.  Certainly Liquigas are riding like a team going for the big prize but I just fear he isn't raced enough.  


Armstrong took time off to prepare the Tour. Some riders may not have a full schedule of races in them
gerry12ie

Finally got to see a (highlights) stage yesterday and was reminded of how bloody cold it was at nights when we stayed quite near Montecatini around this time a couple of years ago.  We did the first two weeks of May in a mountain cottage that had been closed all winter.  When the sun was out it was nice but we had the fire lit and jackets on in the house at night as it was damp and freezing.  Interestingly the landlady wouldnt turn the heating on as she said it was against the law to put it on once May had begun which sounded bizarre but she wouldnt budge.   Confused
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
 When the sun was out it was nice but we had the fire lit and jackets on in the house at night as it was damp and freezing.  Interestingly the landlady wouldnt turn the heating on as she said it was against the law to put it on once May had begun which sounded bizarre but she wouldnt budge.   Confused


There's truth in that. Our council does control when heating goes on and off in apartment blocks. It's just one of the many mysteries of Italy to me Smile Sabcarrera might be able to enlighten us?
sabcarrera

Biosphere wrote:


There's truth in that. Our council does control when heating goes on and off in apartment blocks. It's just one of the many mysteries of Italy to me Smile Sabcarrera might be able to enlighten us?



It's true. Italian law stipulates when condominiums can have the heating on although there are variations depending on the weather. If it's cold the heating can be turned on as there is another law about minimum temperatures, A law dating back to the austerity years of the 70s I think.
Guiness

Bartali wrote:
Am I talking to myself???


Sorry folks. Not been watching. Baby G was rushed to hospital (mild epileptic fit) so not been infront of a telly. All is well now. We are all back home.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Sorry to that - must've been quiet a shock. Glad Baby G is OK now.
HuwB

Thank God for RAI cos Eurosport suck, once again.
Late from the girlie tennis, (which luckily was about a short a clay match as you could get) they proceed to waffle about yesterday and Gawd knows what, for a further 15 minutes.
Result, they miss 20 kms of the race and the fabulous Cinque Terre.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Thank God for RAI cos Eurosport suck, once again.
Late from the girlie tennis, (which luckily was about a short a clay match as you could get) they proceed to waffle about yesterday and Gawd knows what, for a further 15 minutes.
Result, they miss 20 kms of the race and the fabulous Cinque Terre.


Aren't we supposed to be on first plate now? Smile
Severo

Severo wrote:
tanya wrote:
Severo wrote:
Polish ES got very excited by Huzarski.


Sorry if this sounds arrogant, I mean it in a nice way, but I've never heard of him before, could you tell a bit more about him? Great ride today!


I think the commentators were also a bit surprised, normally they're just looking out for Szmyd and maybe Maciek Bodnar or Marczynski.


I saw the highlights the next day - the commentators actually had to check the start list against the number which shows you how well they knew him before!
SlowRower

Guiness wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Am I talking to myself???


Sorry folks. Not been watching. Baby G was rushed to hospital (mild epileptic fit) so not been infront of a telly. All is well now. We are all back home.


Glad to hear all is well now. That must have been a bit scary. Sad
Biosphere

Guiness wrote:
Sorry folks. Not been watching. Baby G was rushed to hospital (mild epileptic fit) so not been infront of a telly. All is well now. We are all back home.


Sorry to hear that. Glad all is well now. Our eldest banged his head last year, had a seizure and then spent three nights in hospital for observation. It's a very worrying time.
Guiness

Biosphere wrote:
Guiness wrote:
Sorry folks. Not been watching. Baby G was rushed to hospital (mild epileptic fit) so not been infront of a telly. All is well now. We are all back home.


Sorry to hear that. Glad all is well now. Our eldest banged his head last year, had a seizure and then spent three nights in hospital for observation. It's a very worrying time.


Scared me shitless. You just feel helpless as there is nothing you can do. It's added a few grey hairs to my head! Mrs G was my rock. We are just glad to be back home. Thanks for your concerns guys.
Slapshot 3

Guiness wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Guiness wrote:
Sorry folks. Not been watching. Baby G was rushed to hospital (mild epileptic fit) so not been infront of a telly. All is well now. We are all back home.


Sorry to hear that. Glad all is well now. Our eldest banged his head last year, had a seizure and then spent three nights in hospital for observation. It's a very worrying time.


Scared me shitless. You just feel helpless as there is nothing you can do. It's added a few grey hairs to my head! Mrs G was my rock. We are just glad to be back home. Thanks for your concerns guys.


Good to hear Guiness, hope things continue to improve
Guiness

Cheers, mate.

The doctors told us seizures are common amongst the first six months of life, especially in premature babies. Which Baby G is. We are putting it down to a fever she had. Rather than anything else. Like genes or poor development of some sort. Time will tell. All is well and she seems happy and healthy. Which means we are happy. And relieved.
Biosphere

Guiness wrote:
Cheers, mate.

The doctors told us seizures are common amongst the first six months of life, especially in premature babies. Which Baby G is. We are putting it down to a fever she had. Rather than anything else. Like genes or poor development of some sort. Time will tell. All is well and she seems happy and healthy. Which means we are happy. And relieved.


We've never had any type of repeat, so hopefully it will be the same for you. To be honest after about an hour of him running around like a loon on the day he came home, I felt like ringing the hospital and asking if they would take him back for a 4th night of observation Wink
Guiness

Biosphere wrote:
Guiness wrote:
Cheers, mate.

The doctors told us seizures are common amongst the first six months of life, especially in premature babies. Which Baby G is. We are putting it down to a fever she had. Rather than anything else. Like genes or poor development of some sort. Time will tell. All is well and she seems happy and healthy. Which means we are happy. And relieved.


We've never had any type of repeat, so hopefully it will be the same for you. To be honest after about an hour of him running around like a loon on the day he came home, I felt like ringing the hospital and asking if they would take him back for a 4th night of observation Wink


Very Happy

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