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Giro 2012: Secondo Plati Stages - May 22nd-25th

Finally, we get some meat onto the Giro table:
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Biosphere

So the reports are that they've done 49 km in the first hour  Shocked
berck

Then they slowed down. Break has nearly an eight minute lead. As predicted by HuwB, I think they'll stay away from the peloton.
HuwB

1 Izagirre
2 De Marchi
3 Clement
4 Frank
5 Herrada

A dire stage, described by Sean Kelly as a "bonus rest day".

I fell asleep twice inside the final 50kms.
gerry12ie

Glad I didn't take the planned day off then Very Happy

What exactly is Roche trying to prove with his CN blog - that he was the big 'I am' a quarter of a century ago?  His latest 'target' is Cavendish who he likes but doesnt like and manages to say almost nothing about, but as usual it all comes around to how the world still revolves around Stephen...
Quote:

So, sometimes his attitude bugs me a little bit, but at the same time he is as he is. All bike champions who reach that level are a little bit special. They have an edge, a steely nature and can be impulsive and say things that can get people’s backs up. I’m sure that if Cavendish was asked to comment on my reactions following key moments in my career he wouldn’t be saying totally positive things either.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/...e-feelings-towards-mark-cavendish
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
Glad I didn't take the planned day off then Very Happy

What exactly is Roche trying to prove with his CN blog - that he was the big 'I am' a quarter of a century ago?  His latest 'target' is Cavendish who he likes but doesnt like and manages to say almost nothing about, but as usual it all comes around to how the world still revolves around Stephen...
Quote:

So, sometimes his attitude bugs me a little bit, but at the same time he is as he is. All bike champions who reach that level are a little bit special. They have an edge, a steely nature and can be impulsive and say things that can get people’s backs up. I’m sure that if Cavendish was asked to comment on my reactions following key moments in my career he wouldn’t be saying totally positive things either.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/...e-feelings-towards-mark-cavendish


almost as if he has an autobiography coming out in 2 weeks that he wants to earn publicity for Wink

wrong euskaltel rider today.
Biosphere

So I picked a good day to forget to set the spinning disk under the TV. What was with the manic pace for the first two hours?

If Roche's autobiography is as badly written as his blog, it will be coming to a remainders bin near you soon. Although I suppose he wouldn't have a ghost for a blog, so it cant get any worse . . . .
ullrichfan

Nolte wrote:
almost as if he has an autobiography coming out in 2 weeks that he wants to earn publicity for Wink


Wonder if it will include the doping at Carrera under Conconi...
Nolte

well he has been retired more than 10 years so he's lose no results by admitting.
however he does have a cushy position in the UCI which he'd probably lose if he admitted to anything.
HuwB

I don't fancy that break composition.
A couple of potential, glass cranking shirkers in there for later.

I see that Rujano has got his excuse in early this time.
He may be a great climber, but has the constitution of a sickly child.
gerry12ie

Not that he is going to win today or anything but I fancied Seeldrayers for a FP but, of course, didnt pick him.  I like him though, he is gutsy.  Sounds like a good stage so far today but work calls...
smarauder68

Looks like a fairly tame mountain stage.  Anybody have a link for live coverage?
Severo

Poor Szmyd.
Slapshot 3

Good stage so far, Birillo looking very good
Fontfroide

Beginning to look like the Tour.  Waiting a bit long for something to happen, considering its the Giro.
maffy

today was alreet, for the four jours d'italia.
Beasley

Well, with a sprint stage, 2 MTFs and a 30km ITT to go it's a toss-up between J-Rod and Ryder for the win. 30s separate them.

Pretty clear those old man Basso's legs have lost that 2% spark that turns an uncomfortable pace into an unbearable one. He won't be dropped, but he won't be doing much dropping, either. Leaky set a blistering pace, but it the main man can't keep it going it ain't much good

Pozzovivo looks the most dangerous going uphill, and had he pushed-on 2km earlier there would have been carnage, but at 3 minutes back he'll need a lot to go right (for him) and wrong (for others!) to stand on the podium in Milan.

Interested side story: points comp. By my maths, factoring in today's stage, it's Cavendish 110 v. Purito 109. If Cav wins tomorrow, taking him to 135, J-Rod will need 27 point over the MTFs.
maffy

Beasley wrote:
Interested side story: points comp. By my maths, factoring in today's stage, it's Cavendish 110 v. Purito 109. If Cav wins tomorrow, taking him to 135, J-Rod will need 27 point over the MTFs.


which would make cavendish the fifth bloke ever with a complete set of points jumpers?
gerry12ie

maffy wrote:
Beasley wrote:
Interested side story: points comp. By my maths, factoring in today's stage, it's Cavendish 110 v. Purito 109. If Cav wins tomorrow, taking him to 135, J-Rod will need 27 point over the MTFs.


which would make cavendish the fifth bloke ever with a complete set of points jumpers?


Yep - Merckx, Jaja, Abdou and Petacchi.  Only the terror has the Giro/Tour double though...
maffy

gerry12ie wrote:
Yep - Merckx, Jaja, Abdou and Petacchi.  Only the terror has the Giro/Tour double though...


i'd be mildly surprised if eisel got a tour ride this year.
SlowRower

gerry12ie wrote:
maffy wrote:
Beasley wrote:
Interested side story: points comp. By my maths, factoring in today's stage, it's Cavendish 110 v. Purito 109. If Cav wins tomorrow, taking him to 135, J-Rod will need 27 point over the MTFs.


which would make cavendish the fifth bloke ever with a complete set of points jumpers?


Yep - Merckx, Jaja, Abdou and Petacchi.  Only the terror has the Giro/Tour double though...


Only Merckx currently has a full set of points jerseys and the rainbow stripes, so you can see Cav's motivation for bagging this one!
Beasley

Like Maffy, I can't see Cav winning the Green jersey in le Tour. Brailsford put his neck on the line re. 'British Tour winner by 2014' and they'll never get a better chance than they have in July.

Regardless, very successful Giro for Sky (so far). They have the young rider comp all but sewn-up, 3x stage wins in the bag, in the hunt for the Red jersey and have a reasonable prospect of two riders in the top 10 on GC, Uran with a chance of being in the top 5.

Not bad for the team that 'can't do' GT's!
maffy

jaja has some unlikely stripes wot he used to be able to wear in the g"olden" days.

it's true beasley, they're doing good this year.
SlowRower

Beasley wrote:
Like Maffy, I can't see Cav winning the Green jersey in le Tour. Brailsford put his neck on the line re. 'British Tour winner by 2014' and they'll never get a better chance than they have in July.


Cav might ride the Tour, but I suspect it will be on the understanding that he's on his own. I'm sure Goss and his Greenedge train will do the honours for Cav! Even if he doesn't make it all the way to Paris, a few stage wins would be a good warm up for the OGs.

Sky have got to throw everything into supporting Wiggo, as this is "the year". I'm sure Cav accepts this, and if he does ride solo in the Tour then Wiggo will be morally obliged to ride for Cav in the OG Road Race, which I'd think Cav fancies more than a second MV this year. The fact he's riding the full Giro suggests he's not planning on the Tour being his main focus of the year.
gerry12ie

One of Roche's more cringeworthy moments was immediately after winning the world's in an interview with famous TV commentater Pat McQuaid.  The Irishman in the striped Christmas sweater asked the Irishman in the striped cycling jersey what it was like to join Merckx as only the second rider to win the triple.  Full of his usual humility, Stephen responded by telling Pat that Eddy wasn't able to take the triple on his first attempt whereas he did.  The interview is at around 19 minutes.



He might be a tosser but in fairness to him he was poetryinfuckingmotion on a bike...


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maffy

don't forget, there's an super excellent sprinty thing tomorrow to look forward to. smashing.
Biosphere

Pozzovivo looked like he was riding slightly within himself today. Suspect he could have gone a bit earlier and gapped the others, but is looking at stage wins and KOM from now on so saved himself. Could he haul himself onto the podium? Probably not much chance.

Hesjedal is in very impressive form. Tis a bit odd when the likes of Froome and himself are 'discovered' in GTs when their leaders are found wanting. Shouldn't the teams be more aware of these things?
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
Tis a bit odd when the likes of Froome and himself are 'discovered' in GTs when their leaders are found wanting. Shouldn't the teams be more aware of these things?


Very odd indeed. Froome was out of contract and heading for the door last year before the Vuelta, so it's fair to say Sky didn't rate him.

There was also a feature on Dave Brailsford in one of the cycling mags from April last year, where it showed his graph of expected performance level by age, with squad members plotted on the graph in terms of potential. Basically, the further below the line the rider was, the greater the level of under-performance. The bottom right ie old underperformers was the "don't renew contract zone".

Guess who was furthest below the line? Some guy with the initials CF. It didn't register last April, but by chance I re-read the article in October and it was very striking.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Pozzovivo looked like he was riding slightly within himself today. Suspect he could have gone a bit earlier and gapped the others, but is looking at stage wins and KOM from now on so saved himself. Could he haul himself onto the podium? Probably not much chance.

Hesjedal is in very impressive form. Tis a bit odd when the likes of Froome and himself are 'discovered' in GTs when their leaders are found wanting. Shouldn't the teams be more aware of these things?


I agree. The only questions for me is by how much was Pozzovivo holding back
and how far is Hesjedal from his limit.
Given good climactic conditions, I think the former could quite possibly podium (if that remains the goal) at the expense of the latter.

Great racing yesterday, except on the Giau, where it became clear that those who can, are still waiting for Friday's and Saturday's monster stages.
Not sure to what extent SS having a mechanical effected events on that final climb.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
The only questions for me is by how much was Pozzovivo holding back and how far is Hesjedal from his limit.
Given good climactic conditions, I think the former could quite possibly podium (if that remains the goal) at the expense of the latter.


I'm thinking Pozzovivo can be on the podium on Saturday night, but I'm thinking (perhaps naively) that he's too small to do a strong ITT and he would be dislodged on Sunday.

I've not checked either how the points were gobbled by Rabottini yesterday and what remains to be scored and how they're distributed over the stages. Pozzovivo won't be allowed to go in a break so that may prevent him from seriously contending for jersey. Maybe tips him back towards a podium and stage win effort?
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
The only questions for me is by how much was Pozzovivo holding back and how far is Hesjedal from his limit.
Given good climactic conditions, I think the former could quite possibly podium (if that remains the goal) at the expense of the latter.


I'm thinking Pozzovivo can be on the podium on Saturday night, but I'm thinking (perhaps naively) that he's too small to do a strong ITT and he would be dislodged on Sunday.

I've not checked either how the points were gobbled by Rabottini yesterday and what remains to be scored and how they're distributed over the stages. Pozzovivo won't be allowed to go in a break so that may prevent him from seriously contending for jersey. Maybe tips him back towards a podium and stage win effort?


Rabbotini took the points on the first 2 or 3 climbs yesterday, so he has a pretty big lead.

Talking of points: Are Sky about to take a dangerous gamble?
Seems they are after taking the break back and contesting the IS.
HuwB

Oh wow, ghost town.
Well, for a flat out sprint stage, that wasn't half bad.
Split peloton, two breakaways, Cav winning a MTF (IT)
but being beaten by a faster man on the day.
Well done Guardini. No longer RAI's big joke.
gerry12ie

Yep, Guardini was simply better on the day.  I thought Sky could have done with a third man in the last 2 kilometers but maybe it wouldn't have made a difference.  Well done Guardini, and a special mention to me who got up put of my man-flu sickbed to watch it.  Cycling, a sport for heroes.
Bartali

Missed it ... missing it all!  Hopefully I'll be back from a Tourmalet / Luz Ardidan double in time for the finish!
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Missed it ... missing it all!  Hopefully I'll be back from a Tourmalet / Luz Ardidan double in time for the finish!


Well, I'm in turmoil for tomorrow. (still lucky, though)
We have the Olympic torch coming through town, right around the Passo Manghen!
Decisions, decisions.
Free coke in Waitrose, (no, not Tom's tipple, the other stuff) or a bit of mountain goat's cheese?

I guess it'll be the slight compromise of delayed live and a bit of flag waving.
Bartali

I think I would go with the Giro!  i can't believe I picked THIS week to go cycling in the Pyrenees!
Boogerd_Fan

I've been planning the next two days since the route was announced... vacation is booked, the cold beer is in the fridge, i'll get my morning km in before the live coverage... and god forbid if our new kitchen is delivered anytime after 1400 CET Very Happy

C'Mon Pozzo & Basso!!!

I'm expecting with more asending in stage 19, we're going to see those 6 climb with some significant gaps between them.

Hes, JRod and Scarponi to pop.. the only question is when?
gerry12ie

I like Adam Hansen's tweeted revision of today's profile Very Happy


Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
I think I would go with the Giro!  i can't believe I picked THIS week to go cycling in the Pyrenees!


For a man of some sanity, reason and sense of priorities, I can't believe it either.  But surely the rides will end earlier in the afternoon today and tomorrow.  Even I am cancelling all other activities and getting my nap in early to watch the last hour and half or so.

Allez, anyone who attacks and anyone else who keeps up, or anyone who gets back on, or anyone involved in big surprises.  Or little ones.  Allez.
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
I can't believe I picked this week to go CYCLING in the Pyrenees!


At least you didn't pick this week to go skiing in the Pyrenees. Smile
gerry12ie

Rujano abandons.  I would like to abandon work...
Biosphere

SlowRower wrote:
Bartali wrote:
I can't believe I picked this week to go CYCLING in the Pyrenees!


At least you didn't pick this week to go skiing in the Pyrenees. Smile


It gets worse. We picked this weekend to go to Sardinia to get away from it all for a week. Our ship sails tonight!!!
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Rujano abandons.  I would like to abandon work...


His mental stature is the same as his physical.

I was trying to equate this stage to the closest that the TDF could offer, IF, it could squash it's climbs together.
I came up with Col de Porte d'Aspet-Col du Tourmalet-Luz Ardiden-Col de Mente-Luz Ardiden. (and it would still be the little brother)Shocked

A shower of rain at the wrong/right time, might decide the outcome, today.

Oh and I have just seen the Olympic torch! Smile
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
Bartali wrote:
I can't believe I picked this week to go CYCLING in the Pyrenees!


At least you didn't pick this week to go skiing in the Pyrenees. Smile


It gets worse. We picked this weekend to go to Sardinia to get away from it all for a week. Our ship sails tonight!!!


I'm reminded of the surreal experience at the campsite during the Marmotte last year. I was talking to a lady whilst washing up and to cut a long story short, she was on hols with her young family, completely oblivious when she booked to the fact the site would be awash with Marmotteers. She was very pleased with events as she had no competition for the baby bath in the washblock and everyone was in bed by 10pm so there was no noise. Her bike, with kiddie seat, did look strange in amongst all that carbon. Smile
Boogerd_Fan

Manghen waas a bit of a snoozefest... even Leaky savings themselves for Pampeago.

Last bit looked horribly steep though!
Fontfroide

Green men going well.  In fact outrageously well.
Guiness

SlowRower wrote:
Bartali wrote:
I can't believe I picked this week to go CYCLING in the Pyrenees!


At least you didn't pick this week to go skiing in the Pyrenees. Smile


I hear it is pissing it down with rain in the Pyrenees too....  Wink What can I say, Bart? Your timing is sh*t! Bad decision making, mate.  Rolling Eyes Misery and disappointment. Guaranteed. It's only a question of when, and how much.  Wink  

Bad Decision Definition: "A bad decision is one in which you override your senses and choose an option that, at some level, you know you should not."   Very Happy
Guiness

SlowRower wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
Bartali wrote:
I can't believe I picked this week to go CYCLING in the Pyrenees!


At least you didn't pick this week to go skiing in the Pyrenees. Smile


It gets worse. We picked this weekend to go to Sardinia to get away from it all for a week. Our ship sails tonight!!!


I'm reminded of the surreal experience at the campsite during the Marmotte last year. I was talking to a lady whilst washing up and to cut a long story short, she was on hols with her young family, completely oblivious when she booked to the fact the site would be awash with Marmotteers. She was very pleased with events as she had no competition for the baby bath in the washblock and everyone was in bed by 10pm so there was no noise. Her bike, with kiddie seat, did look strange in amongst all that carbon. Smile


Very Happy That's a great tale.
Severo

I had a small sleep. Normally I reserve those for the Vuelta. Looks more interesting now though.
smarauder68

Looking like Sella is up to his old tricks again.  Which of the other 4 could beat him?
Fontfroide

Very scrappy in some respects.  Attacks???  Who will attack the Canuck.
Severo

Does Basso have anything to attack the others with? I get the feeling he's the best climber out of the favourites... but he needs to attack.
Severo

Maybe I'm wrong though - he just has the best team perhaps.
Fontfroide

Rather better now, but only at the very end.
Severo

I didn't think Hesjedal would make it so far into the mountains. If he keeps it together tomorrow...
HuwB

Severo wrote:
I didn't think Hesjedal would make it so far into the mountains. If he keeps it together tomorrow...


Looks to me as if he's got it in the bag.
What next: Talansky to win the Tour?
Talk about Garmin dark horses.

Anyhow, what a great, great stage.
4kms of contender action, instead of the usual 2.

Tune in tomorrow, for the final 3kms of the Super Stelvio Smackdown.
MS

Severo wrote:
Does Basso have anything to attack the others with? I get the feeling he's the best climber out of the favourites... but he needs to attack.


I have no idea why you get that feeling. I can't recall the last GT contender with less ability to respond to accelerations. Between Hesjedal, Rodriguez, Scarponi and Pozzivivo, he appears to me to be the weakest.

Pozzivivo is my pick for the Stelvio.
Bartali

Disaster! Sad
Biosphere

Caught bits in between loading the car. Not the winner many expected. Which is nice  Smile
gerry12ie

Great show by Hesjedal and now just one stage away from a well-deserved win.  Along with J-Rod they were the only two who have attacked of the big favorites and sit one and two.  Now why is that I wonder?  

Liquigas have spent three weeks performing the cycling equivalent of one hand clapping...
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
Disaster! Sad


Scarponi lit the touch paper at least.. but a shame that he was countered and dropped by Hesjedal by the line! Oops!

Not sure what Basso was doing... Leaky on the front for the last 50km, only at tempo pace... Szmyd off the back with another puncture/mechanical and never the same once he got back on... Basso calling them off the front allowing Garmin to take control on the lower slopes... Having a few digs on the Pampeago, but paying for it later.

Also Pozzovivo surprised me, he had no acceleration at all... ended up playing super-domestique to a defensive riding JRod.

Well.. all of them need to attack Hesjedal now. It's a shame that its taken until the final mountain stage to work out that he's stronger than them individually - but combined? Let's see how they try to work him over on the Mortirolo.
Beasley

Liquigas have raced the race they had to race. Szmyd has been off-colour and Basso hasn't been in 2010 form, but was the race to start over tomorrow they'd have to race the same way.

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