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Giro 2012: Primo Plati Stages - May 17th -20th

So, finally we approach the first high mountains of this year's Giro.
Lengthy, but with modest gradients (by Giro standards)

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Biosphere

Ta.

Between secondis and dolcis, I'm not sure well have time for a cafe Wink
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Re: Giro 2012: Primo Plati Stages - May 17th -20th

HuwB wrote:
So, finally we approach the first high mountains of this year's Giro.
Lengthy, but with modest gradients (by Giro standards)



That was to keep Radiotrash and Franky happy..Wink TDF Gradients
Biosphere

At the finish line and slowly cooking Smile
Biosphere

Looks like I gave up on Casar too quick. Virtual pink.
HuwB

Ooh err, sorry Bio.
Right thread. Forgot. Embarassed

A lot of guys have taken the day off.
There's over 100 riders in the CavBus.
Severo

PL ES today excited by Gołaś. They'll be even more excited if he holds on.
HuwB

Somehow, I think this will come down to the descent, not the ascent.
Little Princess 2006 time?
HuwB

Bak on the flat?
Well, Amets wasn't going to reel him in, that's for sure.

Casar 15 seconds short, I reckon.
Biosphere

Back home.

I think my face will be a nice complementary shade to the Maglia Rosa in another hour or two. Enjoyable enough afternoon, but I've probably had my fill of finish line attendance for a while now. Much too restrictive when trying to move around.

Would have been nice for Casar to pull it off after all his efforts over the years.

Will post few photos later if I'm excused from entertaining our guests, but I had a accidental change of camera setting disaster, so nothing of Bak or the break  Mad  Mad  Mad
Biosphere

A stage that didn't inspire much discussion then. I shall be at the start today Smile

Since it's a quite phase I'll share this. Been to the news agent this morning. The people at the Gazzetta are doing a collectors series of "The Big Story" or an opera in 27 parts as the tag line puts it. Today's introductory issue is Gimondi and Merckx for 1 euro. Hardback, about 100 pages. In Italian of course but lots of pictures. Regular issues every Friday are 7 euro. Details on the website in the attached picture for those that might be interested in particular issues. For example the Man of Iron gets an issue to himself on the 22nd June and I can think of one forum member who'd be interested.


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If people are keen on particular issues, but online ordering is problematical let me know and I could pick up a newsagent copy.

So if Bartali is the Man of Iron and Superman is the Man of Steel, then who is the Man of Carbon - strong, light and brittle. Junior Schleck? Wink
Biosphere

Basso is definitely relaxed. Stopped for photos with the baby and Mum standing on one side of me and signed autograph for the bloke on the other side of me. No one else any where near as accessible. Smile
kathy

Long way to go today!
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
Long way to go today!


Started very late today. Proper 0km point was passed around 14:30 CET. TV schedules call the shots I guess.
kathy

And it's not the most inspiring stage to watch!
gerry12ie

Does Keizer start 20 minutes before the rest every day?
HuwB

A perfect siesta stage, today. Out like a light for 35kms and missed nothing.
Severo

Only caught the last 10km due to incompetence making what should have been a 30 minute meeting last 2h30... but it doesn't seem like it was a bad point to join the race.

Sky seemed to manage not to lose their lead-out train so suddenly today, although it got swamped. Is there a way though, without crashes, that anyone can beat Cavendish?
gerry12ie

Severo wrote:
Only caught the last 10km due to incompetence making what should have been a 30 minute meeting last 2h30... but it doesn't seem like it was a bad point to join the race.

Sky seemed to manage not to lose their lead-out train so suddenly today, although it got swamped. Is there a way though, without crashes, that anyone can beat Cavendish?


I don't think so.  His burst is just simply too much and his long kick has improved to unbeatable so if he is there at the end he should win.  Greipel and Kittel are flat track bullies but no match for Cav, and Goss can only do him with an absolutely perfect lead out and there isn't really anyone else to really trouble him.  Yep, about as close to unbeatable as you can get...
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Bit pissed off I missed today, sat in a feckin doctors for hours.... Caught a clip of the end though, no-one can beat him really can they??
Biosphere

Severo wrote:
Is there a way though, without crashes, that anyone can beat Cavendish?


I certainly don't want to see crashes, but the trickier finishes this year have maybe shown organisers a way to make things more varied and unpredictable. Given that Cavendish reckons his train isn't working very well yet though, his superiority is quite striking.
Nolte

Severo wrote:
Is there a way though, without crashes, that anyone can beat Cavendish?


a puncture for cavendish?
other than that (and a puncture would be similar to a crash except there is no road rash), i don't think so Very Happy

my fp picks struggle even to get top 3 in a sprint for 10th (lagutin was 4th in the sprint for 10th yesterday)
maffy

Nolte wrote:
Severo wrote:
Is there a way though, without crashes, that anyone can beat Cavendish?


a puncture for cavendish?


or an out of true wheel rubbing on the brake blocks. he only seems to have crashy ones of those.

i still have some hope for kittel to beat cavendish on say 20% of stages like today (vs. one or two percent for greipel). we've not seen many direct match ups yet. there's a possible hors delai problem there. he's given up on doing ok in shorter time trials already, too, it seems.

guardini's been disappointing. bit over raced, perhaps? needing an evil lifeguard as a pilot-fish?

démare's been a bit better, but he's still really really young for this gt thing.

wouldn't mind if vaughters told rasmussen in no uncertain terms (so he understood) that he was dedicated sprinter some time, too.

interesting that sagan's going for green and cavendish wants to make it to milan. it's almost like he hasn't looked at the mortirolo graphic in the roadbook yet from this tweet from a few days back
@champion of the world wrote:
Phew!! If the last 3 days we've done are classified as 'medium mountain stages', then I'm totally shitting bricks for the Dolomiti stages!

lad's muchly good at that there sprinting, mind.
Biosphere

Frank Schleck looking like he'll pop soon. Cunego's wheelsucking role could play into his favour within the Lampre hierarchy if he gains much time.
HuwB

Brushegin doing the donkey work, again. Wink
The descent certainly livened up these, difficult to animate, climbs.
Jose Rujano climbs at the same speed that he descends. Embarassed
Cunego was always likely to chance his arm. (the one that he placed on Simoni's shoulder.)
HuwB

Jan


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Biosphere

Well people are having a go instead of looking at each other. Hesjedal back in pink?
HuwB

Great, great final 5 kms.
Heroes and villains.
Riders off and on their rivets.
Barta magnificent effort.

RK save of the day.
Rujano finally out of the running?
Thomas de Gendt: wtf?
Frankie boy, silent, but deadly.
Sky's Columbian duo in their element.
Ryder regains the lead, but tomorrow is another day.
Nolte

good finale to the stage today.
interesting on schleck finishing with the contenders when he looked like he was suffering earlier.
good ride by hesjedal to go away from the others at the end of the stag ethough did he use too much energy with another tough stage tomorrow?
MS

I would be more concerned about Basso overusing his teammates on a stage like this. They did a ton of work and I don't know that they had a lot to show for it. They weren't able to dislodge anyone I figured for final, overall contention.

I thought for sure Rodriguez would catch Hesjedal. Quite impressive.
Biosphere

I wasn't aware of Amador's back story. Scary.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a...d-him-with-giro-ditalia-stage-win

He's left them his bike so what did they chase and stab him for? His shoes??  Shocked

I thought it was amusing to read about a cyclist discussing his blood percentages - 50% Russian with a 25% Spannish top-up. A formidable mix Wink
gerry12ie

Intriguing stage.  I certainly didn't think we would see Hesjedal in pink again but he well deserves it.  Nobody's out of it but Scarponi looked strong.  Great ride by Barta but even after playing the panto villain I doubt anyone would begrudge Amador the win after reading that horror story.  

Its all very tight up there...
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Only saw 5ks Scarponi looks strongest, Schleck looked about down in but he stayed with the real contenders....after tomorrow Purito is on the way back he couldn't break on them on the finish I don't think he'll be able to hold on come the Dolomites....Is Ivan playing the silent assassin role??
Chapeau to Ryder for taking back the Maglia Rosa
Boogerd_Fan

Had to go out as they approached the final climb.. Sad surprised to find Hesjedal the big winner today! Good opportunistic ride..but a quick look at the official guidebook the average gradient of that last climb is NOTHING compared to what is to come tomorrow, Wednesday, Friday & Saturday.

I doubt Basso, Scarponi, will be too concerned. Maybe Kreuziger will be sweating it a bit... Very Happy

Looking forward to the highlights if Eurosport stay true to their schedule.

Renshaw, Goss pull out - - how long until Cav forgets his promise to make it to Milan? Very Happy
Biosphere

Well these are a bit out of date now, but a few photos from the finish on Thursday in Sestri Levante and the start on Friday in Savona. Start line not much better than finish line for moving around (I don't remember Le Tour even being as bad at the start line for the 3 or 4 stage starts I've been to in France). Bit frustrating from a photography point of view when there's so much to photograph if I could be a bit more mobile.

Sestri Levante
I was just after the finishing line.

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My view down the finishing straight

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Moser was part of a multi day charity sportif

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As were Fondriest and Roberto Conti (Conti's chatting with RAI's Bulbarelli). They were riding extremely expensive bikes (the top of the range Fondriest and the top of the range Willier and Conti's wearing Willier clothing) so I can imagine there's a bit of sales pitching going on in the evenings at the hotel.

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Get your official tat

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Capain Giro entertains the crowd. McQuaid probably willing to approve the unicycle for competition if he's paid enough.

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Camera setting disaster as Bak wins Sad

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Flecha pips Visconti

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Something has amused Cunego

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Next two for those that watch RAI. Lots of fooling around when cameras cut to elsewhere. Bettini was the guest pundit.

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Indurain is an honorary Italian it seems

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Savona
Got myself stationed along the passageway that the riders had to cycle aong to sign on. Again not possible to move around and could just about see the trophy. They're going to need a new one soon.

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Even allowing for me being old and not down with the kids anymore Visconti's hair was a bit ridiculous given that he was about to stick a helmet on it for the days work.

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Kreuziger was shadowing Tiralongo (who seemed to act as a decoy for the Italian fans) and looking blankly ahead as much as possible.

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Basso got the best reception.

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Scarponi was keen to get in and out. Rodriguez actually sprinted when he entered the passageway so even less keen on interacting.

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Hesjedal was not recognised by many.

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Basso stopped for photo on the way back after signing on Smile

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Needed to catch a train back to work, so had relocate to where the parade  went close to the train station and missed them rolling out. In France the jerseys are normally at the front for the town tour, but that didn't seem to be the case here.

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So will the other Jeremy Hunt be called to Leveson to discuss his links with Sky Wink

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Nolte

thanks for posting bio Smile
Nolte

the schleck has gone home
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
the schleck has gone home


That's odd given that he finished fine yesterday.
Biosphere

And now Visconti's gone! Ran out of hair gel?
HuwB

Mr G. Brown, too.
Lousy weather except for ducks.
More will follow..............
(nice piccies, Bio.
So, Alley Cat de Steffano?) Razz
gerry12ie

Nice one Bio, cheers
kathy

Nice pics, Bio.

Think I'll give up on the FP's for this Giro Laughing   Schleck was my GC man, and both he and Visconti were in my fantasy teams!  Schleck has a painful shoulder apparently!
maffy

aye. lovely pics, bio. even if the in-cam blown-out fotoshop effect was unfortunately timed Very Happy

grazie a voi
HuwB

Chapeau Cunego for being the big stirring up spoon.

Some talk about Rujano being dropped on the first climb.
ullrichfan

Yep, some serious shaking up of the race going on here!  Great stuff!
gerry12ie

So Liquigas spend two weeks riding on the front marking attacks that don't come and then when a genuine contender goes up the road they sit up... Sorry, don't get it.
kathy

Don't think the little Prince and Boots are the best of friends somehow! Laughing
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
So Liquigas spend two weeks riding on the front marking attacks that don't come and then when a genuine contender goes up the road they sit up... Sorry, don't get it.


They're waiting for Lampre to organise the chase Laughing
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
So, Alley Cat de Steffano? Razz


I think I'd need to see what Alessandra is like with the other guest pundits before starting rumours Wink
HuwB

Cunego on a white knuckle descent.
It all got very samey in the mid-section of all these climbs.
gerry12ie

We saw the evolution of descending yesterday - Barta's solid refusal, Amador's comic-book style and Cunego's effortlessness.  Txurruka for the stage?
Biosphere

Pozzovivo missing from the chase group?
Biosphere

Cunego has 80 seconds on the chase group
HuwB

This is.............disappointing.
gerry12ie

If Rodriguez had taken the stage from that young fella I would have gone over and clipped his ear.
HuwB

Good manners from Purito.
Otherwise Rabottini robbed.
Uran down the pan. Pozzo popped.....big time.
Other than that, much ado about nothing.
Nolte

good man rodriguez, not taking the stage win from the hard working breakaway rider when he was going for the leader's jersey Wink
gerry12ie

Bruyneel interviewed after yesterdays stage http://cyclingfans.com/node/5015 name checks all the favorites says Frank will be lucky to get a podium... Followed by Bruyneel stating that the injury didn't merit pulling out http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...schleck-pulls-out-of-giro-ditalia

Will this rabble even make it to the season end?
Boogerd_Fan

Scarponi - solid
Basso - solid if not 100%
JRod - needs to repeat today a few more times before he can feel comfortable in the Milan TT
Kreuziger - opposite! he can't afford to many more days like today, to be feeling good come the TT.

It's between those 4 for me. Hesjedal will surely go too far into the red on the Mortirolo next Saturday?

Pozzivivo - still has 3 stages to have a go.. but i think the dream of the pure climber winning is gone.
Curse of the weather change affecting his condition?
billgull

Bio!

A little bit late, but thanks for posting the great photos!
MS

gerry12ie wrote:
Bruyneel interviewed after yesterdays stage http://cyclingfans.com/node/5015 name checks all the favorites says Frank will be lucky to get a podium... Followed by Bruyneel stating that the injury didn't merit pulling out http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...schleck-pulls-out-of-giro-ditalia

Will this rabble even make it to the season end?


Losing Cancellara was the death blow. I think he would have taken either Flanders or Roubaix from Boonen, which would have meant nearly everything.

There's a reason Riis wanted Contador more than the Schlecks.
gerry12ie

MS wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Bruyneel interviewed after yesterdays stage http://cyclingfans.com/node/5015 name checks all the favorites says Frank will be lucky to get a podium... Followed by Bruyneel stating that the injury didn't merit pulling out http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...schleck-pulls-out-of-giro-ditalia

Will this rabble even make it to the season end?


Losing Cancellara was the death blow. I think he would have taken either Flanders or Roubaix from Boonen, which would have meant nearly everything.

There's a reason Riis wanted Contador more than the Schlecks.


Well Johan seems intent on airing the dirty washing in public.  Says only Cancellara has performed prior to his crash and that nobody else is guaranteed a TDF spot because they have ALL underperformed...

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“I don’t think his injury was bad enough to abandon the race,” he said “I am very disappointed that he has given up. I am especially disappointed that he has given up and that he has let the team down. It’s not possible to insist he continues the Giro.”

“I hope very much that he has not done it without reason, that would not be good.”

It had been rumoured that Schleck’s withdrawal was premeditated, and that the Luxembourg champion had always intended to give up on Sunday; or at least give up on today’s rest day. It was even suggested by Christiano Gatti on tuttobiciweb that the proximity of Sunday’s Busto Arsizio stage start to Milano Malpensa airport had made his mind up for him.

This is, of course, something that Schleck has denied.

“I have also heard that, and I asked him [yesterday] if it was true,” said Bruyneel. “He has denied it to me, he said that it’s not true.”


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“After this we need to change his programme,” he said. “He will now go to the Tour de Luxembourg and then Tour de Suisse.

“[The Tour de France] is still a long way off. Currently none of the team is at the level that we expected. Only Fabian Cancellara was, before he crashed; all the others have under performed. Currently there isn’t a single rider set for the Tour de France.

“Nobody.”


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[b]“We need to sit down and talk together,” he said. “I have to say some things internally. I’m very dissatisfied; what is it today” May 20th. And what is our balance? Zero. It is zero, and that needs to change. It is our responsibility to see that changes.

“In order for a team to function, and for results to come, first and foremost its leader, its captain, must ride well. You must show yourself as leader, and we haven’t seen that yet this season. Except maybe Chris Horner in races like Tirreno-Adriatico.”
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Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...ecks-Giro-exit.aspx#ixzz1vVUaTmSL

Bet he wishes he was at Ag2r...
Boogerd_Fan

meh.. Bruyneel can talk so much shit...

even when Armstrong was on his team, they did NOTHING until July. I wouldn't be surprised if Schleck younger manages to win the Tour on the road. It won't have anything to do with Johan's cajoling though.
Nolte

and then Gerry, as you posted your self that Fuglsang is considering a move back to Saxo Bank for next year

gerry12ie wrote:
Fuglsang back to Riis next year? http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...-return-to-Saxo-Bank-in-2013.aspx


Replace 'very different' with 'I hate Bruyneel' and I think we get the picture...
MS

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
meh.. Bruyneel can talk so much shit...

even when Armstrong was on his team, they did NOTHING until July. I wouldn't be surprised if Schleck younger manages to win the Tour on the road. It won't have anything to do with Johan's cajoling though.


For once, I'm actually sympathetic towards Bruyneel. His team deserves to be called out and, if I've got them pegged as I think I do, the Schlecks will now have something else to whine about. He isn't good at cajoling riders. This is why he succeeds when he has guys like Armstrong and Contador and why Basso would have been a perfect fit. You don't need to motivate those guys.
Boogerd_Fan

Well I agree the Schleck's as human beings are not exactly normal are they.. but as their team manager you'd expect Bruyneel to be diplomatic with his public opinion.

A public bashing is the last thing that will motivate the bunch of whiners! Very Happy
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Well I agree the Schleck's as human beings are not exactly normal are they..


I think as human beings the Schlecks are probably fine (or no worse than most if you prefer).

Whether they're cut out for competing at the sharpest end of the pro peloton is open to debate, but even then I think they have their pros and cons which I know isn't probably the most popular point of view but . . . .

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