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Nolte

False Flats

i had a severe problem on false flats. i just can't find a rhythm on them. i ride by myself for recreational purposes (recreasational means a pastime, diversion, exercise, or other resource affording relaxation and enjoyment per dictionary.com i must be brain damaged to consider cycling a resource affording relaxation) so it's nothing competitive. it's jsut tough.i am a slow cyclists. my average speed for a 15km cycle is 19km an hour  but on the false flats, i can generally only go at 9 or 10km/h while at something i know is uphill is at 12-13km/h

is it psychologically as i thought this was was flat when i saw it first
paperman

Theres nothing for it but to just push a bit more.
Nolte

my heart beat around this part is usually 180 bpm or more. i don';t think i could get more out of my legs
Bartali

Just recognise it isn't flat and change up ... assuming you are not on a fixed.  If it's a road you ride often, try riding down it rather than up it - helps get the brain in gear if you excuse the pun!
Nolte

i have been thinking of going in the opposite direction for a reason to get a taste of what the hill that comes 300-400 meters after this section feels like going down it and not up it

on  false flat in generally, the words of Phillippe Gilbert spring to mind "i like to attqack on false flats as they are a nice place to attack"

i'm paraphrasing of course
cardinal guzman

Maybe it's steeper than it looks - an optical illusion like the electric brae?
paperman

Average speeds and heart rate. Are you sure you ride purely for pleasure? 180bpm is some false flat.!! I'd go with the advie above, ride it in the opposite direction, you'll learn alot from it. Its good anyway its amazing how different the place looks in the opposite direction.
Ralphnorman

paperman wrote:
its amazing how different the place looks in the opposite direction.

I'll say. There's a flat bit of road for abut 2 miles near where I live and it's flat as a fluke, I'm sure of it but I really struggle and can't get above 20mph going East along it, but going West I'm ok.
Nolte

paperman wrote:
Average speeds and heart rate. Are you sure you ride purely for pleasure?


the pain in my legs at the end of the cycle say no but my heart says yes Smile

Quote:
180bpm is some false flat.!! I'd go with the advie above, ride it in the opposite direction, you'll learn alot from it. Its good anyway its amazing how different the place looks in the opposite direction.


it comes in a tough section for about 3 kilometers, it;'s a mix of uphill's, downhills and the false flat. rarely any respite in order to cool down and get the heart beat low

the max bpm i reachon the cycle tend to be anywhere between 190 and 204 while the average for the whole cycle tends to be 168

the real thing is i'm seriously unfit. i'm the height of a climber but the weight of a sprinter Very Happy

it's good at the minute with the long occassionally dry evening but when the winter kicks in, i'll get my brothers old auto trainer out and use that (he's emigrated to canada)
thunderthighs

complaincency has alot to do with it.. try this stay forward on the saddle..
 get cadency about 85 turns..
false flats shoudl be treated worse than a hilly stage.. they hurt..ciao
C

Stupid question (don't throw tomatoes at me), but what is the definition of a false flat?  I hear this term thrown around all the time and I have the concept down, but am wondering what it technically means.
sheeponabike

A piece of road that looks flat but is in fact inclined. As has been hinted at here, sometimes harder on the rider than a real hill.
paperman

Yep I kinda thought the term 'False flats' was self explanatory. They are a pain in the ass fell like someone holding onto your jersey.
redster73

Ralphnorman wrote:
There's a flat bit of road for abut 2 miles near where I live and it's flat as a fluke, I'm sure of it but I really struggle and can't get above 20mph going East along it, but going West I'm ok.


Could wind be a factor here Ralph?

TT/Paperman have it just gotta feel the pain...or avoid that stretch altogether...
berck

Ralphnorman wrote:
paperman wrote:
its amazing how different the place looks in the opposite direction.

I'll say. There's a flat bit of road for abut 2 miles near where I live and it's flat as a fluke, I'm sure of it but I really struggle and can't get above 20mph going East along it, but going West I'm ok.


Do you have a GPS device? If so, take it out on the ride and verify its really flat. We have two towns here in my area right next to each other. It appears to be flat between them, but there is a 100 ft of elevation difference between the two down towns (seven miles apart).

But, the real reality is probably more of what red suggested with the wind.
cardinal guzman

berck wrote:
But, the real reality is probably more of what red suggested with the wind.


I doubt it - the prevailing winds are seasterlies in Britain. Also, all the roads going west from Stirling seem to rise up slightly towards Lomond/Katrine. I think this is all in your mind Ralph! Wink
C

sheeponabike wrote:
A piece of road that looks flat but is in fact inclined. As has been hinted at here, sometimes harder on the rider than a real hill.


I guess that's the concept that was throwing me, so I thought I had to be missing something in my analysis of the term . . .

But it's funny, because I do have one of those on my regular route . . . I just thought it was because I sucked on a bike and that it was just me though.   Razz
Crankyfeet

This has got to be a send up.  9kph at 180bpm on a gradient that you need a spirit level to determine if it's flat or not?  Methinks Nolte is having a bit of fun at someone's expense...  Razz

And the ridiculous spelling/unecessary info in the original post would look suspiciously weird if it wasn't for the fact that Noltes had over a 1000 posts here.  

Good one Noltes.
Nolte

Crankyfeet wrote:
This has got to be a send up.  9kph at 180bpm on a gradient that you need a spirit level to determine if it's flat or not?  Methinks Nolte is having a bit of fun at someone's expense...  Razz

And the ridiculous spelling/unecessary info in the original post would look suspiciously weird if it wasn't for the fact that Noltes had over a 1000 posts here.  

Good one Noltes.


i also do have a muscle problem (if i was in way competent could have been at the paralympics Shocked )
Crankyfeet

Nolte wrote:
Crankyfeet wrote:
This has got to be a send up.  9kph at 180bpm on a gradient that you need a spirit level to determine if it's flat or not?  Methinks Nolte is having a bit of fun at someone's expense...  Razz

And the ridiculous spelling/unecessary info in the original post would look suspiciously weird if it wasn't for the fact that Noltes had over a 1000 posts here.  

Good one Noltes.


i also do have a muscle problem (if i was in way competent could have been at the paralympics Shocked )


Okay... but for someone who knows the concept of "paraphrasing"... it strikes me as suspicious that you write at the level of syntax and grammar you do.  Of course... you have been a member here a long time...  and I haven't... so I'm just playing around (don't take any offense).   Are you a non-native English speaker?  I'm certainly not trying to pick on someone who's handicapped to the extent that they could qualify for the Paralympics.

I have an internet character I have played before that is very similar to yours...  Wink
Nolte

Crankyfeet wrote:
Nolte wrote:
Crankyfeet wrote:
This has got to be a send up.  9kph at 180bpm on a gradient that you need a spirit level to determine if it's flat or not?  Methinks Nolte is having a bit of fun at someone's expense...  Razz

And the ridiculous spelling/unecessary info in the original post would look suspiciously weird if it wasn't for the fact that Noltes had over a 1000 posts here.  

Good one Noltes.


i also do have a muscle problem (if i was in way competent could have been at the paralympics Shocked )


Okay... but for someone who knows the concept of "paraphrasing"... it strikes me as suspicious that you write at the level of syntax and grammar you do.  Of course... you have been a member here a long time...  and I haven't... so I'm just playing around (don't take any offense).   Are you a non-native English speaker?  I'm certainly not trying to pick on someone who's handicapped to the extent that they could qualify for the Paralympics.

I have an internet character I have played before that is very similar to yours...  Wink


i'm sorry i don't believe in characther playing. with me, what i post is what i am.

the only time i do is in clearly marked satire that i do go outside of myself

this satire is available on this board in the following 2 threads - http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about2453.html and http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about1646.html

personally it's just too much of a hassle to get 100% correct spelling
Jeff Malkmus

Nolte.  You ask a very good and serious question, my friend.  I've been doing this for many many years and I find it works better if you traverse the false flat or ride in the descending direction.  Never, under any circumstances, ride in the ascending manner.  It is bad for digestion.

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